Jump to content



Sign up for a free account to remove the pop-up ads

Signing up for an account is fast and free. As a member you can join in the conversation, enter contests and remove the pop-up ads that guests get. Click here to create your free account.

Photo

Content Censoring DVD players


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
207 replies to this topic

#1 of 208 OFFLINE   LorenzoL

LorenzoL

    Second Unit



  • 313 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 20 2004

Posted April 11 2004 - 12:39 AM

Well you knew this was going to happen sooner or later but it seems that RCA will be starting to ship a $79 DVD player to Wal-Mart and K-Mart that "that strips out potentially offensive content."

Here is the link for the article at CBC.ca

http://www.cbc.ca/ar...ickhits20040409

Somebody making the decision of what is decent and offensive disturbs me. Too "Big Brother" for me.

#2 of 208 OFFLINE   Nathan*W

Nathan*W

    Screenwriter



  • 1,069 posts
  • Join Date: Sep 09 2001

Posted April 11 2004 - 12:53 AM

Quote:
ClearPlay technology scans movies for "offensive" content, programs that data into its system and skips over these scenes. It also automatically mutes "offensive" language. The technology may be customized to block up to 14 levels of violence, sex, nudity and profanity.
Quote:
ClearPlay insists that its technology does not alter movies by adding content to mask or cover a scene, but compares its skip and mute function to a viewer fast-forwarding through a scene.
I don't see this as a "big brother" issue since it appears to be completely user customizable. Looks like it's an expansion of the "don't tell me how to watch a film in the privacy of my own home" arguement.

What I don't get is wasn't a ratings system built into the original DVD codec that could be customized to not play certain rated films? I think that the feature (like the "angle" feature) have never really been utilized, though.

BTW your link doesn't work properly.
 

#3 of 208 OFFLINE   Chris_Morris

Chris_Morris

    Screenwriter



  • 1,887 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 04 2002

Posted April 11 2004 - 01:01 AM

Quote:
Somebody making the decision of what is decent and offensive disturbs me. Too "Big Brother" for me.


Umm, then don't buy the player?


Everyone screams for choice in everything else in this world, what makes this different? Just like a TV show you don't like, or music that is offensive, it is your choice whether or not to purchase and use this player.



Chris

#4 of 208 OFFLINE   Frank Grimes

Frank Grimes

    Second Unit



  • 260 posts
  • Join Date: Jul 19 2002

Posted April 11 2004 - 01:06 AM

I know that PS2's have the feature which prevents certain types of films from being played without a password. Never figured out how to turn the damn thing off. Posted Image

Working link: http://news.bbc.co.u...ess/3611969.stm

http://www.clearplay.com/

I don't really have a problem with this, but I have a feeling that it may eventually become a requirement (such as the V-chip). I don't care if it's even a matter of pennies, I don't want to pay for something I don't need because parents feel it would ruin their child if they were to see a tata or hear a word used on their schoolyards daily...
I flip you. I flip you for real.
My Big Top 20

#5 of 208 OFFLINE   Nathan*W

Nathan*W

    Screenwriter



  • 1,069 posts
  • Join Date: Sep 09 2001

Posted April 11 2004 - 01:11 AM

Quote:
I don't want to pay for something I don't need because parents feel it would ruin their child if they were to see a tata or hear a word used on their schoolyards daily...
EVERYBODY pays for things in society that they don't need. Every time I look at my phone bill and see that 911 tax... I've never called 911, why should I have to pay for the people that do?
 

#6 of 208 OFFLINE   LorenzoL

LorenzoL

    Second Unit



  • 313 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 20 2004

Posted April 11 2004 - 01:15 AM

Quote:
Everyone screams for choice in everything else in this world, what makes this different? Just like a TV show you don't like, or music that is offensive, it is your choice whether or not to purchase and use this player.


Chris, I guess my fear is that this will eventually be the only type of DVD players available in these stores if they are popular. After all what Wal-Mart wants, Wal-Mart gets (or I may just be reading between the lines too much and I'm a little paranoid).

#7 of 208 OFFLINE   Frank Grimes

Frank Grimes

    Second Unit



  • 260 posts
  • Join Date: Jul 19 2002

Posted April 11 2004 - 01:28 AM

Quote:
EVERYBODY pays for things in society that they don't need. Every time I look at my phone bill and see that 911 tax... I've never called 911, why should I have to pay for the people that do?

I don't really think that's a fair comparison. It's not feasible to charge people for calling 911, it would be somewhat like cutting military spending 100% except when in wartime. It's uncertain when these things will be needed and by whom. V chips and the technology we're speaking of aren't EVER going to be used by a large portion of purchasers, yet we aren't given the option with V chips and may eventually not with the clearplay feature.
I flip you. I flip you for real.
My Big Top 20

#8 of 208 OFFLINE   Chris

Chris

    Lead Actor



  • 6,790 posts
  • Join Date: Jul 04 1997

Posted April 11 2004 - 02:42 AM

Quote:
Chris, I guess my fear is that this will eventually be the only type of DVD players available in these stores if they are popular. After all what Wal-Mart wants, Wal-Mart gets (or I may just be reading between the lines too much and I'm a little paranoid).

Hmm. I don't really have a problem with that. I don't know if it would negatively impact video or audio quality, and I doubt it.

There are lots of features on my DVD player I find stupid and that I would never use (hell, I had a DVD player that did "disco mode" by continuing to play the audio with snapshots of video.. and an LD player that did this as well)

If I have the choice to enable it or disable it, and I leave it disabled, fine by me. I'll never say anything negative about new features on a player.. even ones I find idiotic, as long as they can be turned off or on by my control.

In other words, it's not as though these players are "locked" and "permanently on" a sort of bleep-mode, anymore then my Panasonic is permanently locked into dissallowing titles of rating Z without a passcode Posted Image
My Current DVD-Profiler


"I've been Ostrafied!" - Christopher, Sopranos 5/6/07

#9 of 208 OFFLINE   Malcolm R

Malcolm R

    Executive Producer



  • 11,683 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 08 2002
  • LocationVermont

Posted April 11 2004 - 03:07 AM

What I don't get is wasn't a ratings system built into the original DVD codec that could be customized to not play certain rated films?

Yes, but some people still think they should be able to watch those films, just in a sanitized version.

I don't understand how the player "identifies" the naughty bits? I suppose it can scan the closed captions for words, but how does it determine the visuals?

I still say if you're offended by certain types of behavior in films, avoid those films. Why someone who abhors violence still thinks they want to watch "The Matrix" is beyond me (although it's probably the same audience that sits through "The Passion" repeatedly).
The purpose of an education is to replace an empty mind with an open mind.

#10 of 208 OFFLINE   Darren Haycock

Darren Haycock

    Second Unit



  • 456 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 13 2002

Posted April 11 2004 - 03:48 AM

Quote:
I don't understand how the player "identifies" the naughty bits?


Apparently, each DVD has a file that is programmed to skip past certain parts and mute certain areas, I guess kind of acting like seamless branching. Who knows how well it actually works, but probably pretty well considering they're now making a stand-alone player for it.
"Make ready, for this is our first and final battle..."

#11 of 208 OFFLINE   Malcolm R

Malcolm R

    Executive Producer



  • 11,683 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 08 2002
  • LocationVermont

Posted April 11 2004 - 04:16 AM

Apparently, each DVD has a file that is programmed to skip past certain parts and mute certain areas, I guess kind of acting like seamless branching. Who knows how well it actually works, but probably pretty well considering they're now making a stand-alone player for it.

Oh, so you're talking about special ClearPlay discs (since I can't imagine the majors cataloging their discs in such a manner)?

So this is sort of a Divx type thing where you have to have a special player and buy specially flagged discs?
The purpose of an education is to replace an empty mind with an open mind.

#12 of 208 OFFLINE   Darren Haycock

Darren Haycock

    Second Unit



  • 456 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 13 2002

Posted April 11 2004 - 04:45 AM

Quote:
So this is sort of a Divx type thing where you have to have a special player and buy specially flagged discs?


No, this isn't the case. The DVDs are the regular ones you buy. I think Clearplay makes a file that is stored in the player itself, and will be put in use when a certain DVD title is played. The player probably has to be updated through the internet I'm guessing for newer titels. You'll have to research it yourself, but I'm pretty sure this is the gist of the operation...Since they're not actually editing DVDs themselves, just manipulating the discs with players, they're able to stay semi-legal, at least for the moment...
"Make ready, for this is our first and final battle..."

#13 of 208 OFFLINE   Chris_Morris

Chris_Morris

    Screenwriter



  • 1,887 posts
  • Join Date: Jan 04 2002

Posted April 11 2004 - 04:50 AM

Quote:
If I have the choice to enable it or disable it, and I leave it disabled, fine by me. I'll never say anything negative about new features on a player.. even ones I find idiotic, as long as they can be turned off or on by my control.


My thoughts exactly.

Chris

#14 of 208 OFFLINE   Sean Laughter

Sean Laughter

    Screenwriter



  • 1,385 posts
  • Join Date: Aug 03 1999

Posted April 11 2004 - 04:51 AM

*Inserts Passion of the Christ DVD*

Watches opening credits . . . watches end credit . . .

#15 of 208 OFFLINE   Dennis Nicholls

Dennis Nicholls

    Lead Actor



  • 7,878 posts
  • Join Date: Oct 05 1998
  • Real Name:Dennis
  • LocationBoise, ID

Posted April 11 2004 - 05:02 AM

Quote:
I think that the feature (like the "angle" feature) have never really been utilized

Actually the angle feature has been utilized in many movies....all of them pornographic.
Feline videophiles Condoleezza and Dukie.


#16 of 208 OFFLINE   Darren Haycock

Darren Haycock

    Second Unit



  • 456 posts
  • Join Date: Nov 13 2002

Posted April 11 2004 - 06:06 AM

Quote:
Actually the angle feature has been utilized in many movies....all of them pornographic.


Ahahaa. Seriously though, the only time I've seen this feature is when companies use it to have the opening credits in another language, or during a concert of some sort.
"Make ready, for this is our first and final battle..."

#17 of 208 OFFLINE   MatthewLouwrens

MatthewLouwrens

    Producer



  • 3,031 posts
  • Join Date: Mar 18 2003

Posted April 11 2004 - 09:39 AM

Quote:
*Inserts Passion of the Christ DVD*

Watches opening credits . . . watches end credit . . .
Sean - you've got The Passion DVD already?

Regarding the angle feature - there have been a couple of DVDs that have used it - I think there was the raw dance footage in Moulin Rouge, where you could swap between cameras, Unbreakable where you could cut between storyboards and actual footage. A few of the Doctor Who discs have some scenes with optional new CGI effects, and they use the angle feature to insert the new footage (although the angle button is locked, so you can't swap between original and CG footage).
Films watched in 2005 / 2006 / 2007 / 2008 / 2009 / 2010 / 2011
AFI Top 100 lists: Movies, Thrills - Completed / Laughs - 23 to go
Passions - 39 to go / Heroes & Villains - 10 to go / Songs - 42 to go

#18 of 208 OFFLINE   AnthonyC

AnthonyC

    Screenwriter



  • 2,341 posts
  • Join Date: Mar 29 2004

Posted April 11 2004 - 02:15 PM

Quote:
After all what Wal-Mart wants, Wal-Mart gets (or I may just be reading between the lines too much and I'm a little paranoid).


[rant]No, you're exactly right. Wal-Mart is infamous for not stocking Parental Advisory CDs; why should they act different with DVDs?[/rant]

#19 of 208 OFFLINE   Malcolm R

Malcolm R

    Executive Producer



  • 11,683 posts
  • Join Date: Feb 08 2002
  • LocationVermont

Posted April 11 2004 - 04:18 PM

No, you're exactly right. Wal-Mart is infamous for not stocking Parental Advisory CDs; why should they act different with DVDs?

They've always held CD's to a different standard for some reason. "R" rated DVD's are no worse than PA CD's, yet they sell a ton of those in their unedited, "R" rated versions. My local stores have even stocked a number of unrated horror titles ("The Last House on the Left," etc.).

Why they have such a bug up their ass about music has always mystified me.
The purpose of an education is to replace an empty mind with an open mind.

#20 of 208 OFFLINE   Brandon Conway

Brandon Conway

    Lead Actor



  • 7,305 posts
  • Join Date: Sep 30 2002
  • Real Name:Brandon Conway
  • LocationNorth Hollywood, CA

Posted April 11 2004 - 04:28 PM

Quote:
Since they're not actually editing DVDs themselves, just manipulating the discs with players, they're able to stay semi-legal, at least for the moment...


It's not just "semi-legal", it's perfectly legal as long as it doesn't alter the software from being played normally on another player.

See Nintendo v. Galoob.

"And now the reprimand, from an American critic. He reproaches me for using film as a sacred & lasting medium, like a painting or a book. He does not believe that filmmaking is an inferior art, but he believes, and quite rightly, that a reel goes quickly, that the public are looking above all for relaxation, that film is fragile and that it is pretentious to express the power of one's soul by such ephemeral and delicate means, that Charlie Chaplin's or Buster Keaton's first films can only be seen on very rare and badly spoiled prints. I add that the cinema is making daily progress and that eventually films that we consider marvelous today will soon be forgotten because of new dimensions & colour. This is true. But for 4 weeks this film [The Blood of a Poet] has been shown to audiences that have been so attentive, so eager & so warm, that I wonder after all there is not an anonymous public who are looking for more than relaxation in the cinema." - Jean Cocteau, 1932



Back to DVD



Forum Nav Content I Follow