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#1 of 35 OFFLINE   Dean Cooper

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Posted October 06 2001 - 02:20 PM

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At a recent event in Japan Panasonic showed off the its DVD-player/GameCube yet again. Most of the same information was reiterated, but a few new details have arisen. According to Game Watch the hybrid system will output video, but will not support progressive scan for movie watching. This was once thought to be the system's most valuable asset.
The SL-GC10, as its been labeled, does have an optical output and supports Dolby Digital and dts signals, and according to Panasonic the system can output digital game audio via the optical output if developers decide to support the feature. The unit also features a timer that let's parents determine when the unit can be used an for what purpose. Parents will have the ability to limit a child's playtime or movie time to certain times of the day. Youch, sorry kids -- that's one unfair addition.

There are still no plans to release a version of the unit here in the United States. Thanks to Game Watch for the pictures.

http://cube.ign.com/news/38869.html

Doesn't look like any of the next gen systems will be paying the extra green to support progressive output. Disappointing...

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#2 of 35 OFFLINE   Morgan Jolley

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Posted October 06 2001 - 02:45 PM

They are game consoles. Why should they do prog. scan?

#3 of 35 OFFLINE   NickSo

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Posted October 06 2001 - 03:03 PM

They are game consoles. Why should the play DVDs at all?

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#4 of 35 OFFLINE   Dean Cooper

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Posted October 06 2001 - 03:16 PM

This version of the Game Cube is specifically meant to be BOTH DVD player and console. If we were talking about the Ps2 or Xbox it would just be a bonus benefit of the choice of the media used by the system. This is not the case with this system therefor the "its a gaming system" argument doesn't fly. This should be a Progressive DVD player, if your going to do it, do it right. To me this is a Panasonic DVD player that just happens to be able to play Game Cube games not the other way around.


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Posted October 06 2001 - 05:52 PM

Yeah, i know, i was just using morgan's logic on 'its a game console, why does it need progressive scan?'

Its a bonus feature... it doesnt need it, but why not right? Why not have a DVD player... why not have them do progressive scan if they're capable...

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#6 of 35 OFFLINE   Jeffrey Forner

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Posted October 06 2001 - 07:58 PM

Does it matter? Does the Panasonic Gamecube/DVD player need to be a progressive scan player? Would you guys actually buy one of these units to be your DVD player?

I agree with Nick. DVD playback is a bonus feature. Besides, it isn't even coming here to the U.S. yet. I wouldn't sweat it if I were you guys.


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#7 of 35 OFFLINE   Rich Allen

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Posted October 07 2001 - 01:09 AM

Why do I think Morgan pines for the days of hooking all of your games up to the TV with the RF adapter. Just turn to channel 3 and go. Posted Image

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Posted October 07 2001 - 01:17 AM

Morgan's too young to remember them; he's actually said that American game systems have never done well. Posted Image
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#9 of 35 OFFLINE   Morgan Jolley

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Posted October 07 2001 - 08:46 AM

I'm annoyed that consoles are having DVD features included. If they are in there, I could care less, but when they become so important that people base their decision on which console to buy because of how good the DVD playback is, I get really annoyed. To me, it turns consoles into more of multimedia machines and no longer gaming machines, plus I don't even see a reason for including DVD playback.

The DVD GCN isn't coming out in America, so debating the relevance of its DVD playback is pointless.

I remember the days of RFU adapters. I don't like them, they suck and they are annoying. I said that American consoles have not done successful in the last few years (or even last few generations of consoles). Even though American consoles have done well, they were always beaten by the Japanese console(s) that was in the same generation.

#10 of 35 OFFLINE   Joel Mack

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Posted October 07 2001 - 11:09 AM

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but when they become so important that people base their decision on which console to buy because of how good the DVD playback is, I get really annoyed

You know, I resent the insinuation that as a consumer who considers XBox and GCN relatively equal in the gaming areas, I'm not allowed to base a purchase decision on something like DVD (Progressive or not) playback...


What *should* I do? Flip a fuckin' coin?




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#11 of 35 OFFLINE   Michael St. Clair

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Posted October 07 2001 - 12:35 PM

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I'm annoyed that consoles are having DVD features included.

Sounds like Karma to me!



#12 of 35 OFFLINE   Morgan Jolley

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Posted October 07 2001 - 03:25 PM

Joel-

If you see both consoles as totally equal, then something is wrong with you for many reasons. First off, the X-Box is more expensive because it comes with more things. The differences in price and capabilities are outlined right there, plus the launch libraries and the games already announced for each console are quite different in many areas.

Even if you see them as equal, you shouldn't base your decision on DVD playback. There will be games for the XB that won't be on the GCN and vice versa, so you will not just be buying a DVD player that plays games. They were made to be gaming consoles first and foremost, which is why Nintendo didn't include the DVD playback feature at all (the Panasonic version was part of a deal they made with Nintendo).

#13 of 35 OFFLINE   James D S

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Posted October 07 2001 - 04:02 PM

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Even if you see them as equal, you shouldn't base your decision on DVD playback.
And why not? As far as funcionality goes, I'll wager that some people who would base a decision on just that fact would watch more movies than play games. That seams like a very easy possibility to me.

How about you let people base their buying decisions on what ever they want. It is after all, their money.

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Posted October 07 2001 - 05:53 PM

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If you see both consoles as totally equal, then something is wrong with you for many reasons.

I'm not talking to you anymore. Go pound sand.


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#15 of 35 OFFLINE   Rich Allen

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Posted October 08 2001 - 01:08 AM

Morgan, why is it so important to you that everyone think the way you do?

If you get annoyed because someone wants to combine some functionality into one box, you must have very little else to worry about. I suggest you turn off your games and watch the news for a while. There are more important things to worry about right now.

#16 of 35 OFFLINE   Michael St. Clair

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Posted October 08 2001 - 01:38 AM

The personal attacks continue. If you don't agree with Morgan, you are either "not a gamer", or "something is wrong with you".

#17 of 35 OFFLINE   Jason Seaver

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Posted October 08 2001 - 02:13 AM

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To me, it turns consoles into more of multimedia machines and no longer gaming machines, plus I don't even see a reason for including DVD playback.
Whereas I, on the other hand, hope to eventually see Microsoft go convergence-crazy, releasing a combination Xbox/DVD Player/UltimateTV/HDTV decoder. Nuon compatibility would be nice too, as would integrated WebTV.

Multimedia machines has been the direction this industry has been headed since Atari called the Jaguar an "Interactive Multimedia System", 3D0 started licencing their chipset, and CD-I made their first attempts. Heck, I'm looking forward to the day when DVDs are advertised as having Xbox or PS2 features (already happening to some extent with Nuon). Really, what sense does it make to have both an Xbox (or PS2, or one of those Panasonic/Nintendo doohickeys) and a standalone DVD player if both can do the same job?
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Posted October 08 2001 - 02:23 AM

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If you see both consoles as totally equal, then something is wrong with you for many reasons.

That's clearly a personal insult at Joel, which isn't allowed in HTF, Morgan.

You're going to have to learn how to agree to disagree, Morgan, as you've got a radically different point of view to most people.

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#19 of 35 OFFLINE   Morgan Jolley

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Posted October 08 2001 - 07:43 AM

To anyone who has actually been on the gaming forums in the last two months, you should know that there have been many debates about the differences of the PS2, XB, and GCN. I see it as impossible to see each console as 100% equal to another (besides the DVD playback abilities). There are differences in power, price, games, and even design differences. If you see two as equal because you are looking for a game machine that also plays DVDs, then chances are you are not a hardcore gamer but rather a casual gamer. Its your money, spend it where and how you want. I may disagree with your reasoning behind your decision, but I will accept it because I have to.

What I've been trying to say is that you shouldn't look at two consoles and buy one just because it plays DVDs and then say that you are into games. The only way that I would believe you is if you have a family and are tight on cash (so you can't buy a separate DVD player), if you are buying more than one console, or if you have other reasons for buying it. In my mind, it is wrong to just buy one console because it plays DVDs or complain when one doesn't.

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Posted October 08 2001 - 10:57 AM

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The only way that I would believe you is if...
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