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#1 of 388 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted January 16 2003 - 01:15 AM

Welcome to my Film Noir Tournament

Let's see how many noir fans are out there. Posted Image

The final match is now over. Go away.


The List
    [*][*]The Big Heat[*]The Big Sleep (1946)[*]Blood Simple[*]The Blue Dahlia[*]Body Heat[*]Chinatown[*]Detour[*]D.O.A.[*]Double Indemnity******[*]Gaslight[*]Gilda[*]House of Games[*]The Killers (1946)[*]The Killing[*]Kiss of Death (1946)[*]Kiss Me Deadly[*]L.A. Confidential[*]The Lady from Shanghai[*]Laura[*]The Maltese Falcon (1941)[*]The Man Who Wasn't There[*]Memento[*]The Naked City[*]The Night of the Hunter[*]Notorious[*]Out of the Past[*]The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)[*]Shadow of a Doubt[*]Strangers on a Train[*]Sunset Blvd.[*]The Third Man[*]Touch of Evil



Wild Card List
    [*][*]The Asphalt Jungle[*]Dark Passage[*]Force of Evil[*]The Long Goodbye[*]Mildred Pierce[*]Red Rock West[*]Sweet Smell of Success[*]This Gun for Hire


#2 of 388 OFFLINE   Vickie_M

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Posted January 16 2003 - 01:55 AM

I haven't seen that many, but I'll nominate

L.A. Confidential

Double Indemnity

The Killing (Kubrick)

The Maltese Falcon





Here, courtesy of IMDB's Power Search, are some suggestions:


1 Sunset Blvd. (1950) 8.6 8418
Double Indemnity (1944) 8.6 6694
3 Touch of Evil (1958) 8.5 7257
Third Man, The (1949)
...aka 3rd Man, The (1950) (USA: poster title) 8.5 10964
5 Strangers on a Train (1951) 8.4 5873
Maltese Falcon, The (1941) 8.4 12485
Ride the Pink Horse (1947) 8.4 67
8 Notorious (1946)
...aka Alfred Hitchcock's Notorious (1946) 8.3 5859
Decoy (1946) 8.3 9
Night of the Hunter, The (1955) 8.3 4166
Big Sleep, The (1946) 8.3 5910
12 Shadow of a Doubt (1943) 8.2 2960
Killing, The (1956) 8.2 3550
White Heat (1949) 8.2 1392
Laura (1944) 8.2 2795
Nightmare Alley (1947) 8.2 191
17 Undertow (1949) 8.1 12
Sudden Fear (1952) 8.1 198
Body and Soul (1947)
...aka Affair of the Heart, An (1947) 8.1 237
Sweet Smell of Success (1957) 8.1 1242
21 Crossfire (1947) 8.0 260
Out of the Past (1947)
...aka Build My Gallows High (1947) (UK) 8.0 1221
Tomorrow Is Another Day (1951) 8.0 20
Black Tuesday (1954) 8.0 11
I Am a Fugitive from a Chain Gang (1932)
...aka I Am a Fugitive (1932)
...aka I Am a Fugitive from the Chain Gang (1932) 8.0 639
Blind Spot (1947)
...aka Trapped (1947) (USA) 8.0 7
Narrow Margin, The (1952) 8.0 204
28 Set-Up, The (1949) 7.9 183
They Live by Night (1949)
...aka Twisted Road, The (1949) (UK) 7.9 151
Big Carnival, The (1951)
...aka Ace in the Hole (1951) (USA: alternative title)
...aka Human Interest Story, The (1951) (USA) 7.9 654
31 Killers, The (1946)
...aka Man Alone, A (1946) 7.8 837
Deadly Is the Female (1949)
...aka Gun Crazy (1950) (USA: reissue title) 7.8 273
Pitfall (1948) 7.8 33
Big Heat, The (1953) 7.8 869
35 Asphalt Jungle, The (1950) 7.7 1338
Phantom Lady (1944) 7.7 145
Witness to Murder (1954) 7.7 60
Man Who Cheated Himself, The (1950) 7.7 6
Kiss Me Deadly (1955)
...aka Mickey Spillane's Kiss Me Deadly (1955) (USA) 7.7 966
Canon City (1948) 7.7 31
Window, The (1949) 7.7 137
Naked City, The (1948) 7.7 247
In a Lonely Place (1950) 7.7 642
Place in the Sun, A (1951) 7.7 1238
You Only Live Once (1937) 7.7 121
Force of Evil (1948)
...aka Numbers Racket, The (1948) (USA: alternative title)
...aka Story of Tucker's People, The (1948) (USA) 7.7 248
Scarlet Street (1945) 7.7 388
Key Largo (1948) 7.7 3033
Fury (1936) 7.7 566
Caged (1950) 7.7 145
Mildred Pierce (1945) 7.7 1249
52 Trap, The (1959)
...aka Baited Trap, The (1959) (UK) 7.6 21
Brute Force (1947) 7.6 200
Strange Triangle (1946)
...aka Strange Alibi (1946) 7.6 7
Champion (1949) 7.6 227
He Walked by Night (1948)
...aka L.A. Investigator, The (1948) (USA) 7.6 140
Boomerang! (1947) 7.6 128
Vicki (1953) 7.6 11
Postman Always Rings Twice, The (1946) 7.6 1106
Letter, The (1940) 7.6 509
Gilda (1946) 7.6 1377
Where the Sidewalk Ends (1950) 7.6 104
My Name Is Julia Ross (1945) 7.6 27
64 Killer Is Loose, The (1956) 7.5 34
Street with No Name, The (1948) 7.5 44
Woman in the Window, The (1945) 7.5 466
Suspicion (1941) 7.5 1786
Breaking Point, The (1950) 7.5 58
Kansas City Confidential (1952)
...aka Secret Four, The (1952) (UK) 7.5 97
Lady from Shanghai, The (1948) 7.5 1247
Spellbound (1945)
...aka Alfred Hitchcock's Spellbound (1945) (USA: promotional title) 7.5 2568
Big Combo, The (1955) 7.5 209
Crime Wave (1954)
...aka City Is Dark, The (1954) (UK) 7.5 38
I Wake Up Screaming (1941) 7.5 118
75 Desperate Hours, The (1955) 7.4 562
Detour (1945) 7.4 577
Pickup on South Street (1953) 7.4 334
Call Northside 777 (1948)
...aka Calling Northside 777 (1948) 7.4 475
Border Incident (1949) 7.4 38
High Sierra (1941) 7.4 909
Stranger, The (1946) 7.4 756
This Gun for Hire (1942) 7.4 276
Kiss of Death (1947) 7.4 318
City for Conquest (1940) 7.4 85
His Kind of Woman (1951) 7.4 159
Black Angel (1946)
...aka Black Angel, The (1946) (USA: copyright title) 7.4 71
Sorry, Wrong Number (1948) 7.4 592
Night and the City (1950) 7.4 162
D.O.A. (1950) 7.4 703
Road House (1948) 7.4 97
Beast of the City, The (1932) 7.4 44
Harder They Fall, The (1956) 7.4 347
They Won't Believe Me (1947) 7.4 101
Thieves' Highway (1949)
...aka Collision (1949) (USA)
...aka Thieves' Market, The (1949) (USA) 7.4 45
Big Clock, The (1948) 7.4 321
Murder, My Sweet (1944)
...aka Farewell My Lovely (1944) 7.4 436
97 Glass Key, The (1942) 7.3 234
Strange Illusion (1945)
...aka Out of the Night (1945) 7.3 16
Strange Love of Martha Ivers, The (1946) 7.3 307
Side Street (1950)
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#3 of 388 OFFLINE   ChuckDeLa

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Posted January 16 2003 - 02:51 AM

Nominate:
Gaslight
Blue Velvet
Mulholland Dr.
House of Games

Second:
L.A. Confidential
The Maltese Falcon

#4 of 388 OFFLINE   JonZ

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Posted January 16 2003 - 03:00 AM

Nominate:

Blade Runner
The Man Who Wasnt There
Touch Of Evil



Second:

Mulholland Drive

#5 of 388 OFFLINE   Angelo.M

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Posted January 16 2003 - 03:32 AM

memento

#6 of 388 OFFLINE   Walter Kittel

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Posted January 16 2003 - 03:50 AM

Well, I'd suggest that any film made after Touch of Evil doesn't qualify as a noir. And that any film shot in color doesn't qualify as a noir. But it isn't my tourney. Posted Image

Nominate:
Force of Evil
Out of the Past
The Big Sleep
The Big Heat

Second:
Double Indemnity
The Maltese Falcon

- Walter.


Edited my last nomination prior to it being seconded
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#7 of 388 OFFLINE   ChuckDeLa

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Posted January 16 2003 - 03:54 AM

Well, it's Steve's tourney... I'll go by whatever rules he wants to lay down.

Steve, how about you give us an idea of what you had in mind?



P.S. I move that anyone who nominates Star Wars for this tourney be immediately ousted from the HTF.

#8 of 388 OFFLINE   george kaplan

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Posted January 16 2003 - 03:56 AM

Well, I can see there will be a lot of 'discussion' about what is or isn't a noir film.

I'll third

The Maltese Falcon
L.A. Confidential

I'll second

Out of the Past
The Big Sleep
Double Indemnity

I'll nominate

Chinatown
The Postman Always Rings Twice (1946)
Sorry, Wrong Number
Body Heat

I would have liked to have nominated To Have & Have Not, but I think it's borderline noir.
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#9 of 388 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted January 16 2003 - 04:10 AM

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Steve, how about you give us an idea of what you had in mind?

Check out Walter's and George's posts - that's what I had in mind. I really don't think Mulholland Drive and Blade Runner qualify. They may have noirish overtones but that don't make 'em film noir.

#10 of 388 OFFLINE   Rand

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Posted January 16 2003 - 04:20 AM

Well this is a bucket of worms when you're dealing with film noir (genre or movement?). I'd agree that, roughly speaking, any film later than Touch of Evil wouldn't be a part of the film noir movement.

Nominate: The Third Man
Sweet Smell of Success
D.O.A. ('50)
The Naked City

Second: The Big Heat
The Postman Always Rings Twice ('46)

Third: Out of the Past
Double Indemnity
The Big Sleep

#11 of 388 OFFLINE   ChuckDeLa

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Posted January 16 2003 - 04:21 AM

So, what are the rules? Nothing post-Touch of Evil, like Walter said?

I found this site helpful & interesting: http://www.filmsite.org/filmnoir.html

#12 of 388 OFFLINE   Tommy G

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Posted January 16 2003 - 04:38 AM

Nominate:
Sunset Blvd.
Strangers on a Train
Notorious
Night of the Hunter


Second:
The Third Man
Touch of Evil
The Killing
Force of Evil


Third:
The Big Heat
The Postman Always Rings Twice

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#13 of 388 OFFLINE   Lew Crippen

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Posted January 16 2003 - 04:39 AM

Nominate:

Atlantic City

Second:

Chinatown

Third:

The Postman Always Rings Twice
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#14 of 388 OFFLINE   Lew Crippen

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Posted January 16 2003 - 04:40 AM

Third:

Touch of Evil
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#15 of 388 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted January 16 2003 - 04:43 AM

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Well this is a bucket of worms when you're dealing with film noir (genre or movement?). I'd agree that, roughly speaking, any film later than Touch of Evil wouldn't be a part of the film noir movement.

I was thinking genre. Posted Image

Chuck, thanks for the link. To be honest, when I think film noir, I think black & white crime dramas ala The Big Heat, The Maltese Falcon, Double Indemnity, etc. However, to exclude some of the better modern noirs like Chinatown, Memento, and Red Rock West would be unfair. I'm also rethinking my position of Blade Runner and Mulholland Drive. I'll leave those two up to you guys. Posted Image

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P.S. I move that anyone who nominates Star Wars for this tourney be immediately ousted from the HTF.

I second that motion. I'm sure someone could find a reason to include a Star Wars film. "Well, The Empire Strikes Back has dark overtones..." Posted Image

#16 of 388 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted January 16 2003 - 05:10 AM

Updated.

I've recently watched Fury, Raw Deal, and T-Men. The latter two are available on DVD (and quite cheaply from DeepDiscountDVD I might add). Check 'em out.

#17 of 388 OFFLINE   ChuckDeLa

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Posted January 16 2003 - 05:21 AM

I'll be the third man and third The Third Man.

#18 of 388 OFFLINE   SteveGon

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Posted January 16 2003 - 05:26 AM

You're a good man, Chuck! Posted Image

#19 of 388 OFFLINE   Vickie_M

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Posted January 16 2003 - 06:25 AM

Second:

Body Heat
House of Games
The Man Who Wasn't There
Sunset Blvd.


Third:

Chinatown*
Mulholland Drive*



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#20 of 388 OFFLINE   Brook K

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Posted January 16 2003 - 06:29 AM

2nd
Notorious
Blue Velvet
Night of the Hunter (not sure on this one, it feels like noir, but it doesn't really seem like a noir story)

3rd
The Killing

Nominate
Ossessione (Visconti's 1st film is the 1st film version of The Postman Always Rings Twice)
Killer's Kiss
The Killing Of A Chinese Bookie (may need a ruling on this one, not sure if this is noir or not.)
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