Radioman970
Senior HTF Member
Really liked it. Everybody see it! Be sure to stay in your seat as the credits roll.
I'm with you on this. I believe the Ape Sanctuary in general was a deliberate homage to 2001, which after all was the other great ape movie that came out in 1968!-A couple of the apes start to fight over the watering hole in the Ape Sanctuary. There's a brief shot that is almost identical to one of the Dawn of Man scenes in "2001 - A Space Odyssey."
That's exactly why I don't think there shouldn't be any special motion capture performance Oscar. I know that would be the only way that a mo-cap performance will recieve any Oscar recognition but I feel like a different category is like saying that it's less than a 'real' performance. A performance is a performance whether you're onscreen or you're acting under makeup or you're acting in a mo-cap suit. A special category would be well-intentioned but it would still be treating it as unequal to traditional performances.Johnny Angell said:He replied his performance was acting, just like any other actor's.
Originally Posted by Johnny Angell /forum/thread/310611/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/60#post_3839377
The problem I have with mo-cap performances being included in the normal acting categories is that while a lot of the performance may be the actor's, the animators can and do deviate from what was performed. They may use the actors voice exactly but the may not use all of the actor's exact movements. They'll always end up changing things during animation, like a facial expression or a movement to better fit into the on screen action. When this happens, it no longer becomes just Serkis' performance; it becomes a group of people's collaboration in creating a CGI character and shouldn't be judge up against a live actor's single performance IMO. It the mo-cap went from Serkis to the can without animators touching it in between, then I would say it could be in the best actor categories. As it stands, there is a lot of Serkis there but, there is also a lot that is not Serkis. Same for Gollum. I think a separate category would be the right move at this point in time. Don't get me wrong, I think the work Serkis does is great, I just don't agree with it being judge in the best actor categories, not yet at least.TravisR said:That's exactly why I don't think there shouldn't be any special motion capture performance Oscar. I know that would be the only way that a mo-cap performance will recieve any Oscar recognition but I feel like a different category is like saying that it's less than a 'real' performance. A performance is a performance whether you're onscreen or you're acting under makeup or you're acting in a mo-cap suit. A special category would be well-intentioned but it would still be treating it as unequal to traditional performances.
You just described me to a tee. I have actually made that very statement multiple times in closing as to why I have not been interested in seeing it. But given your response I will change my take and give it a shot.JonZ said:Everyone who Ive talked to, who doesnt seem to have interest in this, has commented on how is it possible that a hundred or so apes can take over the planet? ... I keep saying, you have to see the film.
Answer: non-existentJonZ said:how is it possible that a hundred or so apes can take over the planet? ... I keep saying, you have to see the film.