*** Official IRON MAN Discussion Thread

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  1. Steve Christou

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    Well, a memorable theme would have been the icing on the cake, but I enjoyed Iron Man a lot with or without a great score. I'm kind of glad Danny Elfman wasn't given the job, I love his Batman and Spiderman themes but it's refreshing to have a few Superhero movies without the trademark 'Elfman sound'.

    I missed the end coda I'll have to catch it on dvd. I know all about it thanks to this thread. [​IMG]

    Dark Knight will have to be really good to beat Iron Man but I'm not happy with Ledgers Joker from what I see in the trailers. I hope he's not the only villain. On the other hand I really enjoyed Jeff Bridges baddie in Iron Man, no over the top histrionics, fantastic actor and almost unrecognisable in this.
     
  2. Lou Sytsma

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    A great score is never intrusive.

    If one thinks that a great score for IronMan would not elevate it to a higher level like William's score(s) did for SuperMan then it quickly brings this discussion to an end.
     
  3. Greg_S_H

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    Other than Back in Black and Iron Man at the end, I don't remember a lick of music from the film. Like others, I didn't miss it and it didn't hurt the film, but I can see the point where a thrilling score could only have made things better.
     
  4. Chris Will

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    Well, I must have seen a different Iron Man then some here because I thought the score was overbearing at times and one of the worst scores I've heard in recent memories. Then again, I'm a huge movie score fan (with a collection of over 600 scores) and always make a point to listen for the score during a movie.

    I've really been disappointed in superhero scores recently. I miss the days when superheros would get a great hero theme (like Superman, Burton's Batman and even Spider-man). I'm not a huge Batman Begins score fan for that reason as well, there is just not a great standout hero theme. I mean, even Judge Dredd got a decent theme from Slivestri back in the day.
     
  5. Edwin-S

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    I think it is really funny to use Black Sabbath's IRON MAN for the end credits. Sabbath's song is the anti-thesis to IRON MAN as a hero. Other than that the music in this film isn't all that memorable. Personally, I think modern films use too much music. Sometimes, it seems like film makers think there has to be mood setting music for every thing, including going to the toilet.
     
  6. Greg_S_H

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    Here's one track from the score:



    It's like I'm hearing it for the first time. It's alright, I guess. At the beginning, it sounds like Prison Break music.

    Edit: Good reason for that! This guy does Prison Break. I just read that at this review site:

    Soundtrack Review: Iron Man by Ramin Djawadi (2008)
     
  7. Edwin-S

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    After listening, I wouldn't be beating my feet to the store to buy the disc. To me, it is serviceable but not particularly memorable or inspired enough to warrant repeat listening without its accompanying visuals.

    Now the soundtrack to something like AMELIE is different. I can sit down and listen to that soundtrack repeatedly without ever needing to watch the film.
     
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    Something about this film reminded of X3 (which I liked more than most here.)

    Iron Man sticks pretty close to the formula of the superhero origin flick. The only surprise in the movie is that the bad guy didn't take the love interest hostage at some point...

    A debut played very safely, but RDJ, the FX, and the fact that it doesn't take itself too seriously make it quite watchable. I'll be there for the sequel.

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    Speaking of which, Jerry Goldsmith composed a BRILLIANT theme for Judge Dredd (better than Silvestri's) that was rejected for some stupid reason. It's played in the trailer of the film and is one of those lost great themes.

    YouTube - Judge Dredd (1995) - Movie Trailer
     
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    What happened ?
     
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    Yeah. As I recall, Sabbath's song is a homage to the Ted Hughes story The Iron Man. It's cute that they used for it for the Iron Man soundtrack but it has nothing to do with the character.
     
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    To their credit, they didn't use the lyrics.
     
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    Someone may know but, it could have been as simple as the director just not liking what Goldsmith had done or they couldn't see eye to eye. Scores being rejected or composers being replaced, unfortunately, is quite common. Goldsmith had a few scores rejected during his career another of which was for the movie Timeline. I don't like Goldsmith's Timeline score so, I don't blame them there. Howard Shore had a score reject for Ransom that I think is better then what James Horner through together for the movie. Of course, Shore most recently had his score for Jackson's King Kong rejected which ended up being scored by James Newton Howard. Alan Silvestri was originally hired to score Pirates of the Caribbean but, was fired. Gabriel Yard wrote a far superior score then James Horner for the movie Troy that was directed. Yard's score is magnificent and would have help the movie bit time IMO. It is also one of those scores that I could have easily seen competing for an Oscar if it hadn't been replaced.

    This is a good website dedicated to rejected film scores: Rejected Film & TV Scores - The Main Page
     
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    Patrick captures much of what I felt. For me, every detail was just off that, on the whole, gave an entirely uninteresting movie. The enemies -- some Elbonian clan and a corporate rival -- lacked menace and urgency. The realism of Tony Stark's world was undercut by the cartoony physics and his impossible hyper-MacGyvering of weapons systems. The romantic tension was lacking all chemistry. It was one of those oddities where, by all measures, it should be a rollicking good time, but it's just dull.

    I really wanted to enjoy this movie -- I wanted a good action fix this weekend, but it wasn't there.
     
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    This deserves its own thread really. It's not that I can't afford movies, it's that I don't want to. I can pay $20 to see a movie, and possibly be disappointed by it (as with Iron Man). Or I can stay home and watch Tivo, a movie on DVD, or any of 30 unwatched TV seasons on DVD (that are better than most all current "blockbusters"). And then there's video games. Or board games. Or other hobbies. And that's not even thinking about housework and career-work and family.

    Theaters aren't enough of a priority -- or that much fun compared to all the other leisure options available to be worth more than about one movie a month.

    And my friends with kids -- two movies a year if they're lucky.
     
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    Just got around to seeing IM last night, and I had a great time. One thing I didn't care for was the speed at which the villain (Obadiah) was able to learn to use his suit. Unless I missed something, it seems as though it would have taken some practice (as Tony Stark had in several scenes). Also, instead of the explosion at the end killing the villain, I would have preferred the icing problem be the kill scene. I think it would have been the perfect climax.
     
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    This was my favorite movie so far this year - I'll definitely get the DVD. I think it did justice the the original comic...
     

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