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They ran Stagecoach over the weekend and it also had bars all around.

For the first example, I could go either way, the additional content to the right is about as relevant as what would be chopped from the bottom. As far as the second shot goes I think what would be chopped from the bottom is much more relevant then what would be added along the sides. Obviously...

Just for clarification, what is it called when extra vertical content is included, as well as the extra horizontal content? The Aspect Ratio has been manitained but clearly the intent has not. Should there not be more advocacy and outcry here when the full negative is scanned resulting in this...

Hey Mike, I might be misreading this but did we get our left/right's mixed with our top/bottom's. In any case, to make sure I understand your position to be correct it is improper to open the whole frame. So that any releases that we have received that are OAR but have extra content in all...

I'm not con OAR so I can't help you there. I'm not pro reformatting, so no help there However, what I will say is that if a TV shows was filmed and displayed zoom-boxed for over 40 years and then released open matte with additional content on the sides, top, and bottom then even if the aspect...

Well stated observation.

So basically, while I probably agree with what you refer to as a common belief by anyone true to this forum most of the time, but might allow compromises in a few cases where I don't see any negative ramifications, then my opinion at those time is highly questionable and not in the spirit of the...

These are closer to what I observed in the sampling. It isn't that I'm looking for lots of additional content on the sides or that I want a 16:9 image. If I was involved in the decision making I would have just said go with the 4:3, better safe then sorry. Given that if the decision remains the...

Oh, I agree with you. My initial inclusion in all this was based on the immediate "heads cut-off". I just meant it provided some examples to show why it might not be the case, definitely not that it proved it would be the case. I think Harry's latest captures are much closer to showing that the...

Harry, I apologize if I jumped the gun in my criticism of your captures. I have software that should allow me to download the video and capture frames within at least a frame of each other that will provide a better comparison. If they look bad, i will admit it, but my initial reaction from...

Mike, I will have to go back to the samples, but my recollection is that each shot was presented in both widescreen and fullscreen, and should allow for capture of matching frames for direct comparison. I will attempt this when time permits. You are absolutely right this is just a small...

Funny thing is I'm a fan of "Outlaw Josey Wales" where this thought came from, I should have known better. Thanks for the correction in case I decide to pull that one out again sometime in the future.

I've seen many discussion about the value, or lack thereof, of screen captures when it comes to judging video quality, but not related to basic composition of a shot. When discussing cropping I think these samples provide a perfectly adequate tool for an initial analysis. And when someone tries...

Please Harry, those scene's aren't even close to being the same to make any argument one way or another. From my recollection of the sample, the scene was continually closing in on the doctor face to the point where only part of Smith's upper head was even showing in the 4:3 view. To even try...

Well...I could follow up with, I'm curious why some are so focused on just discussing OAR without pointing out any issues within the samples that were posted. I mean it's really the content we are talking about, isn't it? For me it is about the integrity of the content. Has it been compromised...

I just have to say I think your argument is too black and white. I have no need to fill my screen and I've always respected OAR and won't argue against it in any way. However, I'm not such a purest that I can't take things on a case by case basis. I doubt I am the only one here with that...

Personally, I did not like the viewpoint of this thread when it first started. I looked at it based on the "Kung Fu" scenario where going widescreen just meant chopping away too much content from the top and bottom (i.e., filling more screen with less content). I assumed that what we originally...

Then I guess they just messed up. I asked because it seems like I sometimes have to tweak a setting for a particular show from time to time to fix a stretch issue based on how the content is presented.

Could that possibly have been a combination of what they were doing and your TV settings that might have overly distorted the image?

But then you are getting both more information on the top and bottom as well as the sides. Why would adding more content to the top and bottom to maintain an aspect ratio be more correct? Is the aspect ratio more important then the amount of extra content included? Based on what you stated...

Resizing using an option on a TV is far different then what they are doing here. Based on the samples it seems pretty obvious they first transferred the film to HD before doing any adjustments to the aspect ratio, so that was the main part. Remember, the first samples shown of Star Trek TNG...

Again, lets wait for the results. In looking at the samples there is no information added to the sides that caused a problem in my eyes. It was all just additional aspects of the set. And those aspects of the set are shown in other shots, even if not originally part of a given shot in the...

True, if a person's head is cut off. I looked at the samples and no heads were cut off. Granted this is just a sampling, and there have been bad jobs of converting standard to widescreen in the past, but I think each has to be taken on its own merits. It all depends on how it was shot...

I'm not one for changing an aspect ratio unnecessarily, or just wanting to fill the screen. However, the remastering job to HD is well done. And since new material has been added to the sides the amount clipped from the top and bottom is not as bad as it could be. From the samples it did not...