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drum roll!! Here it is, the first dvd album: The Sun: Blame It On The Youth Includes fourteen videos, and pre-ripped tracks. At Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/thesun I've never heard of these guys. Music isn't too bad I guess. Here's an exceprt from a Spin magazine review of the...

Kevin: didn't know about the yield issue - thanks. So I guess the marketing people hoped dualdisc would be a success becuase of its "wow" factor? And I guess they hoped the pseudo-CD side's problems wouldn't interfere with that.

Gee Kevin, you're harshin' my surround buzz. :D Chris: non-functional DDs aren't only a hassle for cusotmers but also for retailers since they have to deal with an irritated customer; try to provide a substitute (probably at the store's expense); or send it back to the music label & hopefully...

The following amateur marketing speculation courtesy of Advertising Age, which I used to regularly read in my college's library. :D If the marketing people have done their homework, they won't be using the phrase "dvd-audio" on these discs. The labels must know by now most people don't care...

Warner: DVD Albums To Replace DualDiscs a couple excerpts from this Twice.com article: So then it will be......drum roll......a dvd-audio disc!! I think this may a stealth form of reintroducing hi-res audio - NOT the dvd-audio format - to the marketplace. The hi-res tracks will be just...

Common sense doesn't always help explain certain physical and mathematical concepts. I'm not trying to use this argument as a way to make your opinion irrelevant, but common sense also tells you that when you look down a set of railroad tracks, the two rails "definitely" meet at some point...

Nope, it was a 96/24 linear PCM track. And I clearly remember the player's onscreen info display saying so. Highfidelityreview.com's review states the same thing. It was one of the first dvd-audios to have such a track. My 5 year old receiver can't handle a 96/24PCM data stream so I used the...

If that one point in time is not the CORRECT point, it definitely can have an effect on the audible signal. Using a 0 to 5 volt scale, what if the ADC connected to the microphone gave one of those points in time a 1.7V value but the 16bit DAC in your player could only come up with 1.5V value...

True......but according to this discussion about how PCM is handled in newer DACs I'm not sure anymore how important this issue is. According to what engineers in that thread are saying particularly posts by "Tweaker"* and "Black Elk", nowadays** most PCM is upconverted to frequencies in the mHz...

O.K. guys :) what official governing body has stated with what sampling rate/word length "true" hi-res actually begins? As I and others have mentioned before, the word length has a LOT to do with how accurately the analog waveform is constructed i.e. 24 bits gives the DAC many more voltage...

I see how HDMI might be a selling point for paranoid music labels, but then you have to consider this: there have to be receivers/processors to decode those hi-res signals. It's like we're starting all over again! :frowning: The receiver manufacturers will wait to see if the labels put...

After seeing the sales disaster that is dvd-audio and (slightly better) sacd, I just can't see the Big Four labels using the HD video formats to replace them. Two big reasons I see for this: * the iPod and MP3s in general have pretty much ruined the market for hig quality recordings in...

I didn't want to look like I was thread crapping by placing this in an sacd-related thread, but read this disclaimer first :) : Panasonic's dvd-audio site is long gone, nearly three years ago & the Dvd-Audio Council's* site has been stagnant for about two(?) years (why do they still have those...

I also sort of thought of the same thing when I read that, but hey, that's what the Internet is for! You can go to Yahoo or to Rhino's cool Retro Vid page and watch lots of videos (which I *do* like, as long as some care was put into making them). As some wise man said somewhere "When life gives...

More proof DualDisc is becoming unpopular with the labels. From Musictap (my emphasis): I wish I could get excited about this, because I like Kansas and own 2 of their albums......but I can't. :frowning: For me this is just another "classic" rock release with music played over and over on...

A dvd-audio/CD hybrid was actually tried out (IIRC Toshiba did this), but it wouldn't work consistantly on different dvd players. from this page: The Dvd Forum's homepage.* Sony & Philips own the rights to the "good" dvd/CD hybrid system, but obviously they aren't going to allow their...

Alan Parson's A Valid Path to be issued on DD: Scheduled to release Tuesday, April 04, 2006 Since Alan is involved with this, if a surround mix is inlcuded (and not just some video) I assume it will be a truly discrete 5.1 mix.

In another thread I mentioned wanting to hear Massive Attack's music in surround form. I'm sure this release won't have that, but it does include a DualDisc but amazingly, this DD will actually have video content worth watching, *16* videos to be exact. Massive Attack's Collected CD+DualDisc...

Mmmmm.....burger (DualDisc.....bleh).

Not to defend the DualDisc, but the CD side is for people with: kitchen CD players (where I do a fair amount of casual listening); a car system; for a boombox while camping at the river; at buddies' homes when they want to share their new music, etc. And a CD side makes it much easier...

I would LOVE to see the sales report on that!

BTW and off-topic: I'm going to look like a major shill posting this but what the hell. DTS surround sound *apparel*

Despite my reservations about the DSD format, I also think hybrid sacd could have been decently successful if: it was the ONLY hi-res/multichannel format offered; aggressive marketing done at all price points, and not just to audiophiles; aggressive marketing of the surround aspect, something...

my emphasis If the costs are the same, which we know the labels have fully scrutinzed, the only advantage DualDisc supposedly has over a CD+dvd package is its novelty factor. That's it. BTW: For me anyway, I know *technically speaking* DDs are supposed to be fine, but my gut says otherwise.

But guys that's the problem for me with DDs: * most of their "surround" mixes are laughable, IF they even include a surround mix in the first place; * very few DDs have a dvd-audio side - heck most don't even use the 48khz/24bit format, which I think is a true improvement over 16bit...

Kevin: I see. :emoji_thumbsup: (though I still agree with your example)

I didn't know about those yield rates - wow. But somehow it doesn't surprise me Sony/Silverline would ignore such things. :emoji_thumbsup: :emoji_thumbsup: And as hard as i've tried, 95% of the worst scratches on my CDs come from using them in the car. Not really because of my in-dash...

That is EXACTLY what I thought of also when I read that part. All this marketing effort and brouhaha......for what? Because it's "cool"? :rolleyes:Some marketing people must think their customers are all a bunch of easily-entertained sheep that will lap up anything that is packaged in bright...

"Majors back off DualDisc" Whew, what a relief. Excerpt from above article: And maybe this means more chances for dvd-audio discs to be in some of those combo packages.