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That has to be worth a few hundred $.

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And BTW @JasonRoer , what I keep saying about Marantz equipment is, it just works. A LOT of gear these days doesn't quite work right.

Well, I have no idea what went on there. I set mine up about a month ago, and it took all of 30 seconds.

OK, I looked at the options with FedEx. Once something is shipped, you receive a notification. Then you can log in and select to have it held for pickup at one of a variety of locations for free, or you can schedule it for a specific delivery date for a fee, which it says starts at $5.55 but...

The thing about shipping is once FedEx or UPS picks up the shipment, it' pretty much out of A4L's hands. Both FedEx and UPS have free delivery management options you sign up for with them. I should have thought of this earlier. I'm signed up for both, but I just them to know when something is...

A) There's no way to know the answer to that. B) In my experience, shipping departments are rarely equipped to handle that type of special request, even though CS might claim to try. In that situation, I try to find another solution. Such as having it sent to a neighbor who can receive it...

There are Debut in-ceiling speakers as well.

8K is beyond absurd for home use.

Well, the Atmos speakers really need to be in/on-ceiling if you want to do it right. That's not always feasible. My most common budget recommendation is the ELAC Debut v2 line. They have an On-Wall model as well as Bookshelfs. Of course those are currently on sale. I expect they'd make a good...

So Josh and I are in agreement... :P

At this particular time, five years is nothing. There have already been too many useless developments in surround gear lately. I doubt anything truly useful is on the way. So, my suggestion is not to throw away money to "save" in the short term. I'd just go ahead and get the 50. However...

Don't lump all refurbs together as the same. The only refurbs I ever buy are Apple products direct from Apple (and only direct from Apple) and A4L. In fact, a few months ago I bought the Cinema 60 reburb from A4L and it looks and functions as new. As Josh mentioned, it comes with the full...