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cabreau, I have heard both, and still prefer the ultra silky smooth highs in Denon amps over nearly anything. Sound is subjective, Denon recivers and their amps are considered the warmest around. I just read a post where the guy thinks the 3803 is bright??? I don't know what he had...

Trevin Chow, man it would be hard for me not to at least audition both units in my environment with all the rest of my equipment and video hooked up, to really see which one I liked better.

Because it don't thats why!!! lol I plan on using mine for a PIP sort of thing, on one of the svideo inputs. I have a ton of experiementing to so, with various best setups for myself. I had initially thought of not using the dual tuners in my new set at all. But maybe those tuners would...

The Denon's make for really great pre-amps / processors. You got a really hard choice. Another post on here got me thinking, though, if there was a way to electonically cross over using another multi channel amp for say the low end and the Denon amps for the high end, then you could...

Ken, I own a 4802 and if I was a buy'n today, I'd have to order that 3803 deal. Not that I don't love my 4802 because I love it so much, but I do feel the difference to the ear in any given room, would be extremely minor.

Dang, that would mean the ecost $528 deal or whatever it was, would have full warranty also right???? lol I paid way to much for my 4802... lol I am happy with it though...

Almost amazing what a 4802 still goes for... dang... I think my wallet still hurts some from that purchase. Ahh the price for that silly little THX cert... lol I emailed a couple of people that want such a product with both deals.. If the new $649 one is from a factory cert dealer, that is...

If I need a new reciever, I'd probably jump on those refurbs... $528 is a steal... $648 is a dang great price as well for new....