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  1. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    I don't agree with that. I'm not a fan of the ice cream/hairpiece gags, etc and am very glad they're out of the Donner cut, but I'd argue that the humour involving Lex and his cronies is even more inappropariate. Since Lex and co. are villains, having them portrayed so humourously robs the...
  2. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    Yes, in comparison to its predecessor, it actually had a larger audience drop off than Superman II did. As for the Earth-spinning, complaints about it are fair game since they had at least two other options: retain Lester's version or just leave it open-ended, since Lois doesn't have to forget...
  3. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    I don't know how it goes down with Brando, but his mother tells him that he must do it in the Lester cut. There's no indication to otherwise believe that he wants to do it just to become mortal. Beside it's Superman having Lois do all his "PR" that gives Luther the idea to take the three...
  4. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    It was scripted for II, but I believe they already made the choice to use it in I by the time they shot it, hence Christopher Reeve's pained expression. I believe complaints about it are fair game for two reasons. One is that they had at least two other options to go with. Either use Lester's...
  5. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    I suspect fans edits, utilizing the best of Donner's footage, and the best of Lester's will be all the rage.
  6. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    Superman flying around the world/changing time, was a lame dues ex machina even in the first one (and that had at least the dramitic weight of Superman defying his father staunch command to save the life of the woman he loves) and now he does the exact same thing again, just to make Lois forget...
  7. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    I like the extended version of Superman, particularly the Brando scene. The only added scene I really don't like is the "stormtrooper" scene because there's no followup to it and it makes Krypton look like a fascist police state.
  8. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    You could be right. I still like that in the final version, things are implied, but left vague so it comes as a greater feel good moment when we see Superman in full glory challenge Zod. However, that original Brando scene sounds more dramatic. But are you sure about Brando and Reeve being...
  9. Mark Hawley

    Donner Superman 2 SE (merged thread)

    Am I the only one that believes a so-called Donner version of Superman II that is significantly better than the version we have now may be a myth or a fantasy? Don't get me wrong, I love both Superman I and II, and independent of the Superman movies, there are films I love by both Donner and...
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