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  1. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    To my knowledge, these are the changes that were made by MTM in the '80s (and are therefore probably baked into the master tapes this DVD set was working from): Hold-Up: The removal of the first song and the cut of the second half of the first scene in act 1 (I don't know why they cut it, but...
  2. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    Maybe? But Mill Creek didn't do this set, Shout! did. And I don't know why they couldn't or wouldn't use the commentaries. You'll have to ask them. Nobody's saying every aspect of this set is perfect, just that it's overall a good job that exceeded expectations.
  3. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    And remember, those sets may have music that isn't on this set, but it will be also missing 3-4 minutes of scenes from every episode that are on this set. There's no perfect version except the ones you may make yourself (IN THEORY). Yeah, it's too bad the commentaries couldn't be 'ported over...
  4. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    I don't remember much about the versions shown on the CBC, but I've been told by those with better memories than I that yes, they did include stuff like Bailey's daydream that we didn't see on the Comedy Network. In all likelihood the CBC was showing the same master tapes Shout! is using (with...
  5. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    I don't think that would explain the two separate versions - if they just punched it up, they wouldn't have had a whole separate master of the episode with a full credit for the actor who later got replaced. A lot of videotaped shows shot two shows (sometimes both shows used an audience...
  6. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    Brian, thank you so much. This is amazing, comprehensive work. The work on this set is so much better than my expectations that I can't really complain much about anything, even the cuts and redubs that found their way in (if only because I expected so many more). I feel bad that no one knew...
  7. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    There are a couple other small music edits I noticed in season 3: the Candi Staton song in "Venus and the Man" isn't there (this is one of the better edits from the '90s syndication package, though; they managed to do it without overdubbing or cutting) and in "Clean Up Radio Everywhere" Mr...
  8. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    I think I just realized what someone meant when he said there were changes cut into the original masters: he didn't mean the '90s version, he meant earlier, in the mid-'80s. Shout! is mostly using broadcast masters here, but there were a few changes (like the dubbing of "Thank Heaven For Little...
  9. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    I've asked a couple of people who worked on the show about "The Contest," but... they don't remember so far. (It was 35 years ago, after all.) Maybe someone's memory will be jogged after they see the set. If I had to speculate on what happened - and this is only speculation, you understand - I...
  10. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    No, syndicated versions are about 22 minutes. Some episodes of WKRP, like "Fish Story," originally timed out at a little under 24 minutes. In the first half of season 4 all the episodes were that length, so I guess the network cut the running time by a minute for a while. If there's an episode...
  11. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    Who here will miss "Hold my order, terrible dresser?"
  12. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    Thanks, Doris. And thanks to Shout! for going the extra mile to find the full-length versions of these episodes. Some of these episodes haven't been broadcast uncut in a generation.
  13. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    Thanks again, Brian. If you have a chance, could you check the timings on the following episodes and see if they're full length? - Les's Groupie (season 2) - Herb's Dad (s2) - The Baby (season 3) - Baby, It's Cold Inside (s3) - Frog Story (s3) - I Am Woman (s3) - Changes (season 4) - Dear Liar...
  14. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    The replacement of Chevalier with "We've Only Just Begun," and the voice dubbing with it, was one of the first changes made for syndication in the '80s - the original is quite rare. It seems funny that with all the expensive songs in the show, a song from an MGM musical was the first to go...
  15. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    To show you how funny licensing can be: in the '90s syndication package, "Rock around the Clock" is cut in this final scene and Johnny's daughter's voice is overdubbed, but the Eagles are intact. Now "Rock Around the Clock" is back (according to someone else I asked about this scene; I don't...
  16. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    I don't know the reasons behind it, but I was told once that MTM had either changed or lost the masters in some cases. MTM treated its catalog pretty shabbily in its later years, so I wouldn't put anything past them. Still it doesn't really matter; as you say, it could just as easily be that the...
  17. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    When MTM changed the music in the '90s, in many cases they seem to have dubbed these crappy new voices right onto the master. It's possible that Shout! didn't have all the episodes without those '90s redubs? (Not that they couldn't have found the audio somewhere else, but I don't want to get...
  18. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    You can't judge from America's Favorite Radio Station. The writer only had access to the episodes that were running in syndication at the time, and sometimes he thinks the replaced songs are the originals (like in "Patter of Little Feet"). Clearly there are two versions of "Contest" because, I...
  19. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    It's quite possible. There's also another thing - this episode in Shout's version is the same length as Mama's Review and A Date With Jennifer, the two episodes that aired before it. It's entirely possible that this is the version they reshot for airing, and the un-reshot version was the one...
  20. Jaime_Weinman

    WKRP In Cincinnati: The Complete Series Review (See Posts #218 & 356 for Info)

    I've been collecting WKRP for years and I have never heard or seen of that alternate version of "Contest Nobody Could Win." I have a copy from a later CBS airing and it's the familiar version. You just keep learning new things! Now, my CBS copy is only 24 minutes. The Shout! version is 25...
  21. Jaime_Weinman

    Studios Reducing/Ending Retail DVDs of Classics - Warner Interview

    Hi: Re "Costs of restoration," I didn't phrase it clearly enough, but the idea was that the expected quality of home video releases keeps increasing and therefore increases the cost. The amount of cleaning-up and restoration you had to do for VHS and laserdisc was less than what was expected for...
  22. Jaime_Weinman

    Family Ties Season 5 question

    NBC frequently aired FT episodes out of order, and would sometimes burn off older, unaired episodes after the regular season was over. As for the set, Paramount actually did a better job with this than at least the first couple of seasons: despite the disclaimer, most of the music appears to...
  23. Jaime_Weinman

    The Norman Lear Collection: Sony meatheads reach a new low

    This would be a good place to re-direct some of the complaints about the (still not officially announced, I know) Mary Tyler Moore set. At least that set, when/if it appears, will complete the series and give us some new-to-DVD episodes. So I'll grit my teeth and buy it. But this thing... I want...
  24. Jaime_Weinman

    Where's Family Ties Season 5?

    I checked the "A, My Name Is Alex" on the DVD. The bad news is that it has been split into two parts. The good news is that neither of the two parts is a cut-for-syndication version (part 1 is 24 minutes, part 2 is 26 minutes); it appears to have all the scenes intact. The even better news is...
  25. Jaime_Weinman

    Duckman?

    I'm not sure what has been replaced, if anything, but Frank Zappa's credit is still there in season 1 (Paramount usually changes the credits when they strip out music), and the relatively few non-Zappa licensed music uses seem to be there, like "Vacation (All I Ever Wanted)" in the Vietnam...
  26. Jaime_Weinman

    Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

    All the WKRP bootlegs being sold are apparently from those syndicated reruns, with most of the music but 3 minutes cut from each episode. They were taped off TV, not taken from masters, though. The older syndication version is no longer distributed; any station that wants to run the show gets...
  27. Jaime_Weinman

    Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

    Exactly. They were planning the second season, but they decided that the music was, as I heard it described, "too costly to keep in and too much trouble to take out." (Not that any fan should apologize for the controversy over the first season; it was well-deserved -- remember, they didn't...
  28. Jaime_Weinman

    Stalled series? There's Hope!

    Of course all of us are going to hope for a series that probably won't happen -- my first thought, of course, was WKRP, but I just doubt anybody can afford to pick it up even if Fox shopped it around -- but this is good news nonetheless. In the past, the pattern has usually been that shows...
  29. Jaime_Weinman

    Tiny Toon Adventures and Freakazoid finally announced.

    I suspect that the problem is with the fact that every set of a TV show sells less than the previous one. (This is true for all TV shows, no matter what: the first season set is always the one that sells best, and every subsequent season sells less than the one before.) So while Animaniacs...
  30. Jaime_Weinman

    Enough already Fox. Are we EVER going to see WKRP released?

    Apparently Fox was thinking of releasing it but put it on hold when they realized that they realized that the music was too expensive to keep in but too much bad publicity to take out. And how did this become the WKRP-vs.-Buffy thread? Okay, I'll play: Buffy was excellent.
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