Windjammer: The Voyage of the Christian Radich new restoration

This work finally completes the Cinerama travelogue library of films. 4 Stars

Hi folks

We are about to complete the new and very challenging digital restoration of Windjammer (1958) which has been a 9 month long project. As many of you know the Flicker Alley version from several years ago was a telecine from a faded Cinemascope dupe print, so this new scanned version is like seeing an entirely new film. This time it was done with all original 3-panel elements: shrunken vinegary faded original negs, recently discovered IPs and some sections from the Library of Congress deposit print. All film scanning was accomplished at Fotokem in Burbank. The blending and alignment of the 3 panels, delicate color work, and image clean up was done mostly on my mac in my office at home. At some point in the next several weeks I will post a video explaining how all this was done including many before and after examples.

No current plans for a home video release for either the new restored version of This Is Cinerama or Windjammer other than a good possibility of summer or fall of 2018. We do plan to have a few theatrical showings at some point after July of this year.

This work finally completes the Cinerama travelogue library of films. Bout time -it has been about 7 years.

Dave

Here is a link to some restored sample scenes:
http://www.davidstrohmaier.com/Windjammer/WJsamplesv2-iPad%20and%20iPhone%204.m4v

Updated existing trailer with new images, original trailer soundtrack:
http://www.davidstrohmaier.com/Windjammer/TrailerWJV2-iPad%20and%20iPhone%204.m4v

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  1. Damn! Even watching these clips on my laptop I can see the startling difference in quality. I know we vintage film collectors are a dying breed, but I am hoping that somehow these improved versions of THIS IS CINERAMA and WINDJAMMER can make it onto home video. I have bought all the Cinerama restorations, and would gladly "double-dip" on these two.

    And while I'm at it, if I were king, I would lock Mr. Strohmaier and Mr. Feltenstein in a room, and would prohibit them from leaving until they had a signed contract to restore THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF THE BROTHERS GRIMM. Would that complete all of the 3-panel Cinerama films?

  2. RichMurphy

    Damn! Even watching these clips on my laptop I can see the startling difference in quality. I know we vintage film collectors are a dying breed, but I am hoping that somehow these improved versions of THIS IS CINERAMA and WINDJAMMER can make it onto home video. I have bought all the Cinerama restorations, and would gladly "double-dip" on these two.

    And while I'm at it, if I were king, I would lock Mr. Strohmaier and Mr. Feltenstein in a room, and would prohibit them from leaving until they had a signed contract to restore THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF THE BROTHERS GRIMM. Would that complete all of the 3-panel Cinerama films?

    Yep -all but the Soviet films

  3. No need to reply as Rich Murphy as duplicated what I would say on all points. I only saw two Cinerama in my youth, and, at the little theater in Melbourne, the Fox-owned Hoyts' Plaza then, HTWWW and Windjammer and loved both.
    Wonder what the Soviet position is with their versions of the process. Can we bribe Putin to hand them over for couple of years or so?

  4. moviepas

    No need to reply as Rich Murphy as duplicated what I would say on all points. I only saw two Cinerama in my youth, and, at the little theater in Melbourne, the Fox-owned Hoyts' Plaza then, HTWWW and Windjammer and loved both.
    Wonder what the Soviet position is with their versions of the process. Can we bribe Putin to hand them over for couple of years or so?

    Most of the Soviet kinopanorama films still exist in Paris. Maybe they can restore these as they are probably in the public domain anyway.

  5. Nick*Z

    Please reissue Windjammer on Blu-ray in this newly restored print. It's gorgeous and a vast improvement on the current release.

    It would be great to see it again in Cinerama just as I saw it many ,many decades ago. Truly my favourite of all the documentaries and I managed to see them all several times .

  6. I got to see HTWWW in Cinerama during the few years when it was running at the New Neon in Dayton, OH. It blew me away. I've been obsessed with Cinerama ever since. I just got The Best of Cinerama a couple of weeks ago, but it would be marvelous if the new restoration of This Is Cinerama could eventually be released. I know that the financial cost of a physical release these days (not to mention a re-release) might make that difficult. Here's to keeping hope alive, though! Thank you, Dave, for the work you've done on these films over the years.

  7. Fabulous! The improvement is very obvious on my business computer.

    These films are of great historical importance, especially This is Cinerama, which set a standard that even today beckons to those who would improve our AV technology.

    I await the advent of new Blu-rays. Actually, I would be willing to contribute a non-trivial sum to an effort to bring forth archive Blu-rays.

    I am especially interested in 4K archive versions. We owe it to the future.

    Thanks again, Dave, and let us know if we can help.

    Bob

  8. I have all the Cinerama Blu-ray releases and all of them great and I do love the extras on them. Many thanks to you Dave and your team and will save a space on my shelf when this new restoration is released.

  9. I'm not fond of Cinerama as a process due to its inherent technical limitations. And this restoration still shows the problems, of course, but it looks great compared to what we had before. I suggest a release on UHD BD/BD combo in SDR Rec2020 since this is a 6K restoration. And please don't tell me it's economically not feasible. With all the Cinerama fans out there in the world the necessary money should be raisable with a crowd funding approach in a couple of months. The UHD mastering costs much less than the restoration itself, no?

  10. As someone who deliberately bought an out-of-print Criterion DVD of Seven Samurai for $100, just because it had a restoration demo that the then-current copy did not, I totally appreciate this.

    I already have a copy of Windjammer and I will have it again once this comes out.

  11. Michel_Hafner

    I'm not fond of Cinerama as a process due to its inherent technical limitations. And this restoration still shows the problems, of course, but it looks great compared to what we had before. I suggest a release on UHD BD/BD combo in SDR Rec2020 since this is a 6K restoration. And please don't tell me it's economically not feasible. With all the Cinerama fans out there in the world the necessary money should be raisable with a crowd funding approach in a couple of months. The UHD mastering costs much less than the restoration itself, no?

  12. Sorry Michel but it is not feasible, as I have stated in earlier posts on the subject of our Cinerama remasterings, as many others in this forum are aware.

    Since “Seven Wonders” finished a few years ago we have not been supported financially by Cinerama Inc. or Flicker Alley, it is all done with 4 volunteers, some special rates and even donations from post houses with some funding from a few widescreen fans. We don’t have the organization and probably stamina that our pal Bob Furmanek has to go any further than we have. You should also know that the restoration team volunteers do not get any financial return for any of this. Our reward is simply to get it done as best as we can.

    There is no major or minor studio involved here who are protecting their assets, it’s just us crazy fans doing what we can. Yes we did try the Norwegian government, their film institute, and national library also NRK TV (Norwegian Television), who quite frankly should have been the sponsors of this particular film since the ship is something like our Old Ironsides to them. Sometimes we just got a simple no and sometimes no response at all. So it was up to us to pull this together by our bootstraps not even knowing if we could actually finish it or not.

    I understand enthusiasts always want the next best thing, and can’t understand why it was not done 4K or 6K, maybe in a few years they will want 9K who knows. Also quite frankly the sales of titles like this only do a little better than break even for our distributor, who believes as we do that these old films should get released and their support is critical to keeping the flame going.

    Often we show these film in a theatrical setting and although the are only 2K DCPs they look better simply because we started with higher res scans, often we are told they look like 4K and people are surprised they are not.

    FYI the funds that were donated for this project totaled a whopping $17,000. I myself put in 3K of that,
    and those funds were all involved with the scanning not the actual restoration efforts, the restoration was all donated time and personal computers, I guess we just need to get a life! — or better yet time to retire!

  13. Well said, Dave. You have done absolutely remarkable and amazing work on a shoestring budget. I can certainly relate.

    Many people do not realize the massive amount of work that goes into a restoration like this. To say that it is a labor of love would be an understatement.

    The next time we get together, let's pool our financial resources and split a large cup of coffee! 🙂

  14. Bob Furmanek

    Well said, Dave. You have done absolutely remarkable and amazing work on a shoestring budget. I can certainly relate.

    Many people do not realize the massive amount of work that goes into a restoration like this. To say that it is a labor of love would be an understatement.

    The next time we get together, let's pool our financial resources and split a large cup of coffee! 🙂

    No- I will buy you lunch at the Smokehouse so we can talk war stories!

  15. Hold on there, boys – Smoke House? I'm coming, too, and I can finally get my Scent of Mystery discs. Let's DO this.

    As to Mr. Hafner's post – send Mr. Strohmaier a check for the UHD release – I'm sure he'll be happy to do it. And let me, in advance, tell you how many copies those legions of Cinerama fans would buy – ten. Maybe. UHD makes a niche market look like a niche market look like a niche market, even the biggest of the titles. And please don't tell me otherwise.

  16. haineshisway

    Hold on there, boys – Smoke House? I'm coming, too, and I can finally get my Scent of Mystery discs. Let's DO this.

    As to Mr. Hafner's post – send Mr. Strohmaier a check for the UHD release – I'm sure he'll be happy to do it. And let me, in advance, tell you how many copies those legions of Cinerama fans would buy – ten. Maybe. UHD makes a niche market look like a niche market look like a niche market, even the biggest of the titles. And please don't tell me otherwise.

    your invited Bruce I have 5 copes for you.

  17. Don't know about UHD prices

    Yes it was a 2K restoration.

    I do know that Blu ray would be about $16-17,000. for a run of about about 2,500 units. Thats what it was for "Holiday in Spain" anyway back in 2015.

  18. Michel_Hafner

    I'm not fond of Cinerama as a process due to its inherent technical limitations. And this restoration still shows the problems, of course, but it looks great compared to what we had before. I suggest a release on UHD BD/BD combo in SDR Rec2020 since this is a 6K restoration. And please don't tell me it's economically not feasible. With all the Cinerama fans out there in the world the necessary money should be raisable with a crowd funding approach in a couple of months. The UHD mastering costs much less than the restoration itself, no?

    Yes, Cinerama did have it's technical limitations but don't forget that filming started way back in the late forties. For those of us who managed to see all the Cinerama films in cinemas ,it is still perhaps the greatest of all of the cinema projection systems. There never was and probably never will be, a more audience engulfing spectacle.

  19. Currently the plan is to release both "This Is Cinerama" and "Windjammer" in the late Spring of 2018.

    Some of our former bonus extras will be updated with the new restored footage. The 1- hour Windjammer Documentary "A Cinemiracle Adventure" for Windjammer and the 1-hour documentary "Best In The Biz" (about all the Cinerama music composers) slated for "This IS Cinerama".

    Besides showing on Widescreen Weekend's Cinerama screen this October- "Windjammer" will also screen theatrically in Oslo, Norway slated for a TBD date in mid May. There are now some early talks about showing both films in Amsterdam and Paris and possibly in NY sometime in March.

    ——

    Happy to report that all of our restored digital files are in the process being turned over to a company called Digital Bedrock for conservation/Preservation and migration to any future digital format.

    http://www.digitalbedrock.com

    Dave

  20. Strohmaier

    Currently the plan is to release both "This Is Cinerama" and "Windjammer" in the late Spring of 2018.

    Dave

    Dave, Just to confirm: this means a new Blu-ray release for both titles? If so, that is fantastic news!

  21. Super!
    — This is Cinerama has great historical and cultural significance.
    — Windjammer is the best of the bunch, save for How the West Was Won.

    Thanks again for all of your work over the years. It took a while.

  22. bigshot

    I picked up a blu-ray of the knockoff German movie Flying Clipper. Apparently it's from a 70mm print that is in pretty good shape. Haven't watched it yet.

    You will be very disappointed as the bluray picture quality is very dark throughout most of the film. The film is ever so dull but the extras are superb.

  23. Its a shame the BD of Flying Clipper is a bit dark and has some dirt on plus the changeover cues, this could be the print that
    was shown in Bradford.
    I am waiting for a UHD review but I know this has been delayed.

  24. I watched the first half of Fkying Clipper tonight. It's a great transfer with lots of sharpness, color saturation and it isn't dark at all. There were white whites, black blacks and plenty in-between. They just were shooting available light in direct sunlight in many locations, so faces were in shadow. You can clearly see where they had lights and where they didn't. It doesn't look bad at all, in fact it looks very good and I can't imagine the film looking any better than this. The sound is fantastic. I didn't find it boring either. The stuff in Egypt was amazing, and the bit with the jet fighters taking off of the aircraft carrier was very exciting. The running time is too long, but I'm taking it in two halves and it's fine. It has the opening music and intermission music too. It has reel change cues, but that doesn't bother me. Maybe people are just taking other people's word about it being dark and boring. I can't imagine someone actually watching the blu-ray and thinking it looks bad. Boring to some folks maybe, but if so, the Cinerama films are probably boring to them too, because it's a travelogue with no real story.

  25. bigshot

    I watched the first half of Fkying Clipper tonight. It's a great transfer with lots of sharpness, color saturation and it isn't dark at all. There were white whites, black blacks and plenty in-between. They just were shooting available light in direct sunlight in many locations, so faces were in shadow. You can clearly see where they had lights and where they didn't. It doesn't look bad at all, in fact it looks very good and I can't imagine the film looking any better than this. The sound is fantastic. I didn't find it boring either. The stuff in Egypt was amazing, and the bit with the jet fighters taking off of the aircraft carrier was very exciting. The running time is too long, but I'm taking it in two halves and it's fine. It has the opening music and intermission music too. It has reel change cues, but that doesn't bother me. Maybe people are just taking other people's word about it being dark and boring. I can't imagine someone actually watching the blu-ray and thinking it looks bad. Boring to some folks maybe, but if so, the Cinerama films are probably boring to them too, because it's a travelogue with no real story.

    w

    I saw all the Cinerama travelogues when they were first released but I never found them boring. Most of them did indeed have a story despite them being travelogues. To-day they are unique experiences of people and places as they seen in the 1950's..FLYING CLIPPER lacked everything that made the Cinerama travelogues unique experiences when seen in cinemas. F.C. even had a name change in the USA and most countries never even released the film in cinemas. After seeing the new bluray release, I can see why. .Not only is it boring but 'extremely' boring. The brilliant extras did somewhat compensate for the tedious feature.

  26. Can't recall too much about Clipper though the disc has arrived and now I just need to get the 4k player and PJ to go with it.
    I saw most of the Cinerama travelogues when they were released and once again on BD thanks to Dave S.
    Some parts just can't stand up in the 21st Century.
    Much as I love Verdi, those Aida bits in This is…send you to sleep and likewise the second half of Seven Wonders(or Seven Blunders as the Itinerama crew renamed it).
    Great to have but you need to give them some latitude.

  27. Well I wasn't bored, but I have an attention span and an interest in the places it shows. I love opera too and seeing a golden age performance at La Scala is pretty neat for me. Honestly, I didn't see much difference between the format of Windjammer and the format of Flying Clipper, and the shots on the aircraft carrier are exactly the same as in the Cinerama movie that ended that way. My only complaint, and it holds true for most of the Cinerama films too, is that the movies are too long. I usually watch them over two nights breaking at the intermission. I bet if you did that with Flying Clipper, it wouldn't be so boring.

  28. I'm curious. May I ask how this project, for restoration of most cinerama films, started and raised funds for the expansive work ?
    Without this beautiful initiative the films would perish. The big studios only care about their own films, like Warner restoring How The West was Won (shot in a eastman stock more resistant to fadding than most other cinerama films).

    There is one technical detail I don't understand well. If the camera trick technic to split screen, using a soft edge mask place close to the camera lens, exist since early days, and created little visible division line, why cinerama could not create less visible division lines between the panels ?
    The cinerama films not digitally restored always have the edges of each panels darker.

    I wonder if is possible or if some silled cinerama fan managed to create a DIY project to built a large curved screen and use adapted lenses to a digital projector, to get the something close to cinerama experience in home. I know one guy installed a real cinerama film projector system, in home, but I'm not aware of a curved screen in home for digital projection.

  29. Alberto_D

    I'm curious. May I ask how this project, for restoration of most cinerama films, started and raised funds for the expansive work ?
    Without this beautiful initiative the films would perish. The big studios only care about their own films, like Warner restoring How The West was Won (shot in a eastman stock more resistant to fadding than most other cinerama films).

    There is one technical detail I don't understand well. If the camera trick technic to split screen, using a soft edge mask place close to the camera lens, exist since early days, and created little visible division line, why cinerama could not create less visible division lines between the panels ?
    The cinerama films not digitally restored always have the edges of each panels darker.

    I wonder if is possible or if some silled cinerama fan managed to create a DIY project to built a large curved screen and use adapted lenses to a digital projector, to get the something close to cinerama experience in home. I know one guy installed a real cinerama film projector system, in home, but I'm not aware of a curved screen in home for digital projection.

    There have only ever been two Cinerama enthusiasts who installed 3 strip Cinerama in their homes and screened original faded Cinerama prints..Only one still exists. You can never get the true Cinerama effect unless you see it with real film in a Cinerama cinema. Seeing Cinerama films projected in digital is no way to ever appreciate the wonders of the system..Sadly to-day,with rare exceptions, Cinerama films are only projected in cinemas,digitally.This is not Cinerama nor anything like it.

  30. Thanks for the information.
    A curved screen in the same degree of a cinerasma screen it's not possible with just a special lens and a digital projector, but a less curved screen probably it's. Well, I presume…

    There could be truer cinerama with digital projector if they use 3 digital projector. I believe it's possible to create a software to help align and blend the projectors without create extra visible lines. Something like this :

    -3 white images with a grid pattern that would fit each other when perfectly alighned.
    -A individual bright adjust for each little portion of screen, in case the edges of the digital projector light beam are not perfectly the same intensity of the center.

    cinemiracle

    There have only ever been two Cinerama enthusiasts who installed 3 strip Cinerama in their homes and screened original faded Cinerama prints..Only one still exists. You can never get the true Cinerama effect unless you see it with real film in a Cinerama cinema. Seeing Cinerama films projected in digital is no way to ever appreciate the wonders of the system..Sadly to-day,with rare exceptions, Cinerama films are only projected in cinemas,digitally.This is not Cinerama nor anything like it.

  31. I had the chance to see both This Is Cinerama and HTWWW at the New Neon in Dayton, OH back in the late 1990's. John Harvey (one of those amazing, crazy folks who had a literal Cinerama film installation in his home) ran all three projectors AND the sound mixer by himself. If you have read anything about how Cinerama was projected, I don't have to tell you what a feat that was. This Is Cinerama had faded a bit, but I don't remember it being terrible. HTWWW, for most of it, looked great. The sound was astounding for both. I didn't get to see his print of Cinerama Holiday, but I was assured that it was a lovely shade of pure pink.

    Seeing Cinerama, even in a theater that was a fraction of the size of most of the original Cinerama venues, was literally a life-altering experience for me. I fell in love with it and was so sad to see the screenings end. I've given up on ever being able to experience it again, but the few times I got to see it will remain with me until the day I die.

  32. I have never had the opportunity to see a Cinerama title presented at an actual Cinerama theater. It remains a "bucket list" item for me! One of these days I will have to bite the bullet and figure out how to schedule a trip around a festival.

  33. Josh Steinberg

    I have never had the opportunity to see a Cinerama title presented at an actual Cinerama theater. It remains a "bucket list" item for me! One of these days I will have to bite the bullet and figure out how to schedule a trip around a festival.

    It’s worth the trouble. Several years ago I saw HTWWW at Pacific Cinerama and will never forget it.

  34. Going to the Cinerama theater was truly a special occasion when I was growing up: Sunday clothes, best behavior, choice orchestra seats, and we got transported around the world for a couple of hours. And, I was also lucky enough to experience both How the West Was Won and The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm in Cinerama, theater experiences I have savored since I was young.

  35. ahollis

    It’s worth the trouble. Several years ago I saw HTWWW at Pacific Cinerama and will never forget it.

    A pity that the screen curvature at the Cinerama Dome cinema .is not 145 degrees as was the original 3-strip Cinerama screens..The Dome has only a 125 degrees curvature. I was fortunate enough to see all the 3 strip films projected onto 145 degrees screens when they were originally released.Those were indeed ,the good old days, Surely there is a wealthy person who can afford to have them all restored onto 3 strip film and released in a true Cinerama cinema. In my opinion, 3 strip Cinerama was cinema's crowning achievement.

  36. I can tell you Alberto,that after numerous Cinerama experiences at the Casino, Coliseum and Royalty theatres in London and again here in Sydney at John Mitchell's,the best match lines were Windjammer and the 70mm derived Holiday in Spain( although they were cheating using a single neg).They were barely noticeable. Am sure with digital they would be as well.

  37. cinemiracle

    A pity that the screen curvature at the Cinerama Dome cinema .is not 145 degrees as was the original 3-strip Cinerama screens..The Dome has only a 125 degrees curvature. I was fortunate enough to see all the 3 strip films projected onto 145 degrees screens when they were originally released.Those were indeed ,the good old days, Surely there is a wealthy person who can afford to have them all restored onto 3 strip film and released in a true Cinerama cinema. In my opinion, 3 strip Cinerama was cinema's crowning achievement.

    We all love the good ole days but to release 3 panel these days is a no go, no projectionists, no 35mm mag
    track and if I am sure without decent lab techs the 3 panels would not match up too good.
    And you would have to find someone very wealthy.

  38. I used to live in Ohio decades ago and had the privilege of going to John Harvey's home for numerous Cinerama screenings. He would most often run THIS IS CINERAMA and HOW THE WEST WAS WON because he had really nice IB Technicolor prints of both. He had one other film, the title escapes me, but it was faded so he rarely ran that one. Of course the presentations were amazing. Also amazing was seeing John lift those huge built up film reels onto the projectors and the sound reader. The magnetic sound reels were particularly heavy!

    So upstairs in John's main theater was the Cinerama setup. Downstairs in the basement he had 16mm, 35mm and Sensurround! I think he could do 70mm there too.

    What a great setup he had!

  39. Eastmancolor

    I used to live in Ohio decades ago and had the privilege of going to John Harvey's home for numerous Cinerama screenings. He would most often run THIS IS CINERAMA and HOW THE WEST WAS WON because he had really nice IB Technicolor prints of both. He had one other film, the title escapes me, but it was faded so he rarely ran that one. Of course the presentations were amazing. Also amazing was seeing John lift those huge built up film reels onto the projectors and the sound reader. The magnetic sound reels were particularly heavy!

    So upstairs in John's main theater was the Cinerama setup. Downstairs in the basement he had 16mm, 35mm and Sensurround! I think he could do 70mm there too.

    What a great setup he had!

    The other title John had was CINERAMA HOLIDAY. His screen and projector equipment were moved to the New Neon Cinerama theatre in 1996 where he showed his titles on the weekends. They thought it would only be a for a few months but it wasn't until 2000 that the Cinerama equipment was removed.

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  40. Eastmancolor

    I used to live in Ohio decades ago and had the privilege of going to John Harvey's home for numerous Cinerama screenings. He would most often run THIS IS CINERAMA and HOW THE WEST WAS WON because he had really nice IB Technicolor prints of both. He had one other film, the title escapes me, but it was faded so he rarely ran that one. Of course the presentations were amazing. Also amazing was seeing John lift those huge built up film reels onto the projectors and the sound reader. The magnetic sound reels were particularly heavy!

    So upstairs in John's main theater was the Cinerama setup. Downstairs in the basement he had 16mm, 35mm and Sensurround! I think he could do 70mm there too.

    What a great setup he had!

    The other title that John Harvey had was CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I received video copies of both his TIC and CH and I later converted them to dvd. They were made at John's cinerama set-up in his home. I also have several dvds of John's set up as well as conversations during his intermissions. I Also have dvds of the some of the Cinerama films taken at the New Neon in Dayton- complete films and discussions beforehand.

  41. cinemiracle

    A pity that the screen curvature at the Cinerama Dome cinema .is not 145 degrees as was the original 3-strip Cinerama screens..The Dome has only a 125 degrees curvature. I was fortunate enough to see all the 3 strip films projected onto 145 degrees screens when they were originally released.Those were indeed ,the good old days, Surely there is a wealthy person who can afford to have them all restored onto 3 strip film and released in a true Cinerama cinema. In my opinion, 3 strip Cinerama was cinema's crowning achievement.

    Not only that, and worse in my opinion – they have never had the proper louvered screen at The Dome, therefore there is never enough brightness to the presentation. It's nothing like it was at the old Warner Cinerama on Hollywood Blvd.

  42. haineshisway

    Not only that, and worse in my opinion – they have never had the proper louvered screen at The Dome, therefore there is never enough brightness to the presentation. It's nothing like it was at the old Warner Cinerama on Hollywood Blvd.

    Not only that , there are no true Cinerama screens anywhere in the wold. Bradford's screen is very small and doesn't protrude out into the audience like Cinerama originally did. That is what helped "put you in the picture" (as the ads used to say). Seattle's screen has problems with the ceiling's awnings blocking the top part of the screen so that it has to be masked over when showing cinerama films. I understand that John Harvey was not happy with this. I also understand that some 18 inches are masked over. Correct me if I am wrong. I saw cinerama films (17 cinemas) in 4 countries and I worked in one. All had louvered screens which protruded out into the audience.

  43. Dick

    I have to wonder why these Cinerama films aren't reproduced for DLP and projected onto any remaining curved screens.

    None of these original cinerama documentary prints are in good condition. All are scratched and have almost no color at all .At least one film (SOUTH SEAS ADVENTURE) is close to not being able to be projected due to it's condition .What would be great but unlikely, for all the 3 Strip documentaries to be fully restored onto film and projected onto proper original cinerama screens. It's been 45 years since they were last seen in a cinerama cinema. Only a new print of THIS IS CINERAMA was made for Bradford when it opened. Seeing them projected in digital has NO resemblance to seeing them projected with 3 strip film. Digital has no depth, film does. If you ,like myself ,managed to see all the 3-strip films many times originally and on film ,you would not have the same experience if you saw them digitally projected in cinerama cinemas. There is zero comparison.

  44. cinemiracle

    None of these original cinerama documentary prints are in good condition. All are scratched and have almost no color at all .At least one film (SOUTH SEAS ADVENTURE) is close to not being able to be projected due to it's condition .What would be great but unlikely, for all the 3 Strip documentaries to be fully restored onto film and projected onto proper original cinerama screens. It's been 45 years since they were last seen in a cinerama cinema. Only a new print of THIS IS CINERAMA was made for Bradford when it opened. Seeing them projected in digital has NO resemblance to seeing them projected with 3 strip film. Digital has no depth, film does. If you ,like myself ,managed to see all the 3-strip films many times originally and on film ,you would not have the same experience if you saw them digitally projected in cinerama cinemas. There is zero comparison.

    From what David has said, the scans have all been made at 3K and have been archived. This should mean that the workflow could be redone, resulting in a new 4K (or even 8K!) combined digital version or for 3 filmouts that would constitute a new print when married to a soundtrack, which I presume could be digital.

    Of course, it would be a time and money to accomplish this.

    I was also told that new prints had been struck for This is Cinerama and HTWWW for use by the Seattle Cinerama theatre (and I presume paid for by Paul Allen).

    One consequence of having the new 2K digital versions is that we are not seeing the 3-strip versions exhibited anymore. I don't know if people have given up or if we will see them again. Obviously, there is wear-and-tear on the prints, and the exhibition process still takes "5 projectionists just like in 1952", so it is a lot of hassle.

    One idea expressed here is interesting: make digital copies of each of the 3 strips and use a setup with 3 digital projectors to exhibit them. This seems like it should work, but again is time and money.

    I am not sure that we will see much else supporting exhibition of these films. Except for Brothers Grimm, we have plausible Blu-rays of all of them, good enough for home use. They give a feeling for what the films were like cinematically, while failing to replicate the experience.

    I should add that we should all be incredibly greatful to David and his team, just wonderful work. Thanks!

  45. ahollis

    View attachment 43515 View attachment 43513 There is a complete print of How The West Was Won and This Is Cinerama stored in the projection booth at the ArcLight Cinerama Dome in Los Angeles. Not sure if these are the prints that were produced for Seattle or not.

    I believe I heard that they made 2 prints of each of those features at that time, one for each theater. I probably do not have the complete story, David would know.

  46. rsmithjr

    From what David has said, the scans have all been made at 3K and have been archived. This should mean that the workflow could be redone, resulting in a new 4K (or even 8K!) combined digital version or for 3 filmouts that would constitute a new print when married to a soundtrack, which I presume could be digital.

    Of course, it would be a time and money to accomplish this.

    I was also told that new prints had been struck for This is Cinerama and HTWWW for use by the Seattle Cinerama theatre (and I presume paid for by Paul Allen).

    One consequence of having the new 2K digital versions is that we are not seeing the 3-strip versions exhibited anymore. I don't know if people have given up or if we will see them again. Obviously, there is wear-and-tear on the prints, and the exhibition process still takes "5 projectionists just like in 1952", so it is a lot of hassle.

    One idea expressed here is interesting: make digital copies of each of the 3 strips and use a setup with 3 digital projectors to exhibit them. This seems like it should work, but again is time and money.

    I am not sure that we will see much else supporting exhibition of these films. Except for Brothers Grimm, we have plausible Blu-rays of all of them, good enough for home use. They give a feeling for what the films were like cinematically, while failing to replicate the experience.

    I should add that we should all be incredibly greatful to David and his team, just wonderful work. Thanks!

    It may have taken 5 projectionists to run Cinerama in the fifties but you would need only one projectionist to-day.The two home 3-strip Cinerama cinemas only needed one projectionist.

  47. cinemiracle

    Bradford's screen is very small…

    It may be smaller than the original Cinerama screens, but I wouldn't call a 146 ft. X 55 ft. louvered screen 'small'.

    Dick

    I have to wonder why these Cinerama films aren't reproduced for DLP and projected onto any remaining curved screens.

    David Strohmaier has presented DCPs of all his Cinerama restorations on the Bradford Cinerama screen.

  48. nara

    It may be smaller than the original Cinerama screens, but I wouldn't call a 146 ft. X 55 ft. louvered screen 'small'.

    David Strohmaier has presented DCPs of all his Cinerama restorations on the Bradford Cinerama screen.

    Don't you have your measurements wrong about Bradford's Cinerama screen size ? That's approx. 50 feet wider than the Warner and Capitol Cinerama screens that I used to see in NYC when I was visiting there. No indoor Cinerama cinema had a screen 145ft. wide. One drive-in had a Cinerama screen that was 150ft wide.

  49. cinemiracle

    It may have taken 5 projectionists to run Cinerama in the fifties but you would need only one projectionist to-day.The two home 3-strip Cinerama cinemas only needed one projectionist.

    But that does not apply to the Dome or at Bradford or Seattle. Take my word for it, I run A projector whenever we show 3 panel at at the Dome.

  50. Josh Steinberg

    Man, I really have to find a way to make it to LA or Seattle next time they have showings. Would be a dream come true.

    I've been lucky enough to have been offered a job that's allowing me to move to the LA-area this summer, and I intend to be at as many Cinerama showings at the Dome as possible.

  51. cinemiracle

    Don't you have your measurements wrong about Bradford's Cinerama screen size ? That's approx. 50 feet wider than the Warner and Capitol Cinerama screens that I used to see in NYC when I was visiting there. No indoor Cinerama cinema had a screen 145ft. wide. One drive-in had a Cinerama screen that was 150ft wide.

    They are wrong. The article from 70mm.com contains inaccuracies if you read it closely to spot the contradictions.

    http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/1996/45/pictureville/index.htm

  52. nara

    It may be smaller than the original Cinerama screens, but I wouldn't call a 146 ft. X 55 ft. louvered screen 'small'.

    It's a "Louvered 146° Cinerama screen. 15,6m (51’2") wide along the curve. 5,9m (19’5") high". 146 degree curved screen that is about 51 ft along the curve by 19.5 ft high – about 2.6:1 AR which is what 3-panel was.

    Probably the largest indoor Cinerama screen was 105 ft by 38 ft at the Denver Cooper Cinerama theatre. Largest outdoor Cinerama screen was 180 ft by 62 ft at the Los Angeles Pacific's Century Drive-in theatre.

  53. If you sit in middle of the front row in Bradford the Cinerama picture still looks great, I have seen all the Cinerama films there and was always impressed so I am so glad the Pictureville Cinema opened in 1993.

  54. Dear David Stohmaier,

    I'm happy that you finally managed to restore "Windjammer" in full from the original elements and the results look absolutely stunning! Congratulations!

    But I wonder why all the Cinerama Blu-Rays do not have included any of the period foreign language versions besides the English ones – and so do many people who are interested in these films outside the US.

    Only recently "Flying Clipper" aka "Mediterranean Holiday" (1962) was released in Germany on UHD and Blu-Ray. Besides the original German audio the vintage period English (narration by Burl Ives), Japanese, Dutch, Portuguese, French and Spanish audio tracks are included. Why is such not possible for much more powerful companies like Cinerama who controls their films and Flicker Alley?

    The original foreign tracks of the period are part of the international success of these movies in the world. These historic language versions represent the way how people in Europe remember these films being seen on the big screen in the initial runs and therefore belong to the individual countries national movie heritage.

    As far as I know, the German audio tracks of "Windjammer" with the narration by renowned actor Hans Clarin (who also does the narration in "Flying Clipper") are extant and the period German version has at least been shown at Bradford and Karlsruhe.

    Why are the Foreign, especially the German versions not included on the Blu-Rays and is there any hope this policy will change?

    I'm looking forward to hearing from you on this issue.

    Many thanks!

  55. Because there is no money for this and the German tracks that we had in the vaults had warped severely- we barely got the english tracks restored. Most of these films were restored on a voluntary basis with expenses paid by private funds. This includes all the extras. Cinerama is not a more powerful company.

  56. There's a free shipping promotion on Flicker Alley's site and via a promotional email, but if you already preordered this or THIS IS CINERAMA from them, they'll hem and haw about refunding the shipping unless you cancel the preexisting order. Calling got a snotty response, which is frustrating.

  57. Josh Steinberg

    Thanks for the heads up guys, I also made a purchase.

    Mike Frezon pointed out in another thread that the Holiday In Spain Cinerama disc is onsale for $14.99 at Screen Archives as well… tempting…

    I really enjoyed Holiday In Spain. The music score is enchanting as is the cinematography.

  58. ahollis

    I really enjoyed Holiday In Spain. The music score is enchanting as is the cinematography.

    I never enjoyed the film when I saw it in 3 -strip Cinerama. It did have great cinematography, music and actors but the film was a little tedious with a paper thin screenplay. Is there any reason why the 3 -strip Cinerama film is not screened publicly to-day? The remaining print is in excellent condition.

  59. pre ordered, along with This is Cinerama,

    were any other titles being worked on, have all the releases from Flicker Alley, and the one stand alone Holiday in Spain, was wondering if any of the others were being looked at for eventual release

  60. cinemiracle

    I never enjoyed the film when I saw it in 3 -strip Cinerama. It did have great cinematography, music and actors but the film was a little tedious with a paper thin screenplay. Is there any reason why the 3 -strip Cinerama film is not screened publicly to-day? The remaining print is in excellent condition.

    You didn't enjoy it because it wasn't the film they made, which was called Scent of Mystery. THAT film is thoroughly entertaining and everything works better because it wasn't shorn of twenty-something important minutes. The version you saw not only had all that footage excised, the terrible voice-over narration was added to tie up plot points and the brilliant intermission was moved to an illogical place earlier. This is all covered in the commentary I did for the Blu-ray. But let's keep things absolutely straight: Holiday in Spain is a bastardized version of a MUCH better and stronger film called Scent of Mystery.

  61. haineshisway

    You didn't enjoy it because it wasn't the film they made, which was called Scent of Mystery. THAT film is thoroughly entertaining and everything works better because it wasn't shorn of twenty-something important minutes. The version you saw not only had all that footage excised, the terrible voice-over narration was added to tie up plot points and the brilliant intermission was moved to an illogical place earlier. This is all covered in the commentary I did for the Blu-ray. But let's keep things absolutely straight: Holiday in Spain is a bastardized version of a MUCH better and stronger film called Scent of Mystery.

    And unfortunately, this is the only way to see it, as Holiday In Spain. While I was stuck growing up in Jackson MS, I do regret that I was not able to see the 60’s era movies in Hollywood as you did Bruce. That is something special.

  62. haineshisway

    You didn't enjoy it because it wasn't the film they made, which was called Scent of Mystery. THAT film is thoroughly entertaining and everything works better because it wasn't shorn of twenty-something important minutes. The version you saw not only had all that footage excised, the terrible voice-over narration was added to tie up plot points and the brilliant intermission was moved to an illogical place earlier. This is all covered in the commentary I did for the Blu-ray. But let's keep things absolutely straight: Holiday in Spain is a bastardized version of a MUCH better and stronger film called Scent of Mystery.

    It was over 60 minutes shorter when it was shown on TV with scent cards that you could buy and sniff when directed to.I still have one of them.

  63. So, are these the Cinerama Inc. titles available on bluray?

    This is Cinerama
    Holiday in Spain
    Cinerama Holiday
    Windjammer
    Russian Adventure
    Seven Wonders of the World
    Best of Cinerama
    Search For Paradise
    South Seas Adventure

  64. Titles promoted as being "In Cinerama" (some only in the UK) not on Blu-ray:

    3 panel:
    The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm

    70mm Cinerama:
    Mediterranean Holiday
    The Hallelujah Trail – Olive releasing 2/27

    70mm Cinerama in UK only
    The Golden Head – Release later this year
    La Fayette
    The Flaming Years
    The Black Tulip – It's on Blu-ray but in French with no subtitles
    Song of Norway
    The Great Waltz
    Run Run Joe

  65. Mediterranean Holiday AKA Flying Clipper is available from Germany in 4K UHD and Blu- ray it also has Dolby Atmos Audio.
    I think it looks too dark but it is from a 70mm print and even has the changeover cues on.

    Lets have The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm on UHD or BD.

  66. Strohmaier

    The Golden Head – will come out sometime this year.

    More info on The Golden Head can be found on my web site. Click on the link below my signature, under 70MM CINERAMA 1962 – 1965, select The Golden Head.

  67. I’m new to the Cinerama process and am in awe of the work done to preserve these treasures. From a technical standpoint, was the projection method more/less troublesome than a 3-D feature? What with the projector syncronisation issues etc for 3-D projection, surely having three projectors to sync for a Cinerma release would be a complete nightmare! Thanks again to all those involved.

  68. A little off subject but did anyone notice on the Smile box version of HTWWW during the opening mountain flyover scene something that looks like bugs on a windshield? I'm surprised they let that go. Otherwise an incredible release.

  69. Well it was bugs and I would not have bought it if they had removed them. Those splattered dead bugs have been on ever rendition of the movie I’ve seen. 35 mm, Cinerama, VHS, Laser, DVD and finally Blu-ray. I have grown to love those little things.

  70. Kiwitutor

    I'm new to the Cinerama process and am in awe of the work done to preserve these treasures. From a technical standpoint, was the projection method more/less troublesome than a 3-D feature? What with the projector syncronisation issues etc for 3-D projection, surely having three projectors to sync for a Cinerama release would be a complete nightmare! Thanks again to you Dave and to all those involved (and not forgetting Bob Furmanek at the 3DFA who also does incredible work on a shoestring budget). You guys rock!

    3-strip Cinerama is about the most difficult projection set up ever actually used. There were actually 4 strips of film that had to be kept in synchronization, with the fourth being full-coat magnetic film with the 7-channel magnetic soundtrack. It took 5 projectionists to run this, with one for the sound and one for overall control and QC. Many stories about this.

    The picture and sound justify these efforts completely, it was and still is very impressive. The sound was particularly outstanding.

    The Blu-rays give a good accounting for what the movies were like but not for the actual experience of watching them in a proper theater.

    The site in70mm.com has many articles and other information about Cinerama tech.

  71. ahollis

    Well it was bugs and I would not have bought it if they had removed them. Those splattered dead bugs have been on ever rendition of the movie I’ve seen. 35 mm, Cinerama, VHS, Laser, DVD and finally Blu-ray. I have grown to love those little things.

    I think it is mentioned somewhere in the extras. Bugs were a problem when taking off until Paul Manz I think, came up with the idea of covering the glass with transparent paper which later could be was jettisoned.

  72. rsmithjr

    3-strip Cinerama is about the most difficult projection set up ever actually used. There were actually 4 strips of film that had to be kept in synchronization, with the fourth being full-coat magnetic film with the 7-channel magnetic soundtrack. It took 5 projectionists to run this, with one for the sound and one for overall control and QC. Many stories about this.

    The picture and sound justify these efforts completely, it was and still is very impressive. The sound was particularly outstanding.

    The Blu-rays give a good accounting for what the movies were like but not for the actual experience of watching them in a proper theater.

    The site in70mm.com has many articles and other information about Cinerama tech.

    View attachment 46499

  73. rsmithjr

    It took 5 projectionists to run this, with one for the sound and one for overall control and QC.

    Unless you're John Harvey. During the Cinerama revival at the New Neon in Dayton, OH, he did it all himself. It was like watching a real-life wizard.

  74. Brian Kidd

    Unless you're John Harvey. During the Cinerama revival at the New Neon in Dayton, OH, he did it all himself. It was like watching a real-life wizard.

    I saw that wizard in action at the New Neon. Made me dizzy. And those were not small reels of film! It's a wonder he could even lift them on his own, let alone manipulate all of the projectors in pefect sync.

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