They Shall Not Grow Old is the 3D event of the year

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For those that missed the limited Fathom Events sponsored showings of Peter Jackson’s WWI documentary They Shall Not Grow Old, it looks like Warner Brothers will be putting into larger release this spring. This is a must see film and a great achievement for Peter Jackson. Here is a good review. https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/they-shall-not-grow-old-movie-of-the-year/ One of the amazing aspects of it is the excellent 3D conversion done on most of the film to make it even more immediate to viewers. Peter Jackson has said that this is the preferred way of viewing his film and I would totally agree. When Warner Brothers gives the US a Blu-ray release I hope that they will be kind enough to provide the 3D option on the Blu-ray release. Sadly the Blu-ray of this film released in the UK was only 2D so if Warner Home Video doesn’t come through we will have on home 3D version to enjoy. I wish there was someway to reach Warner Home Video to persuade them of the importance of this but have little hope. See this film on the big screen and in 3D if you can as it is worth the time and effort.

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  1. This lack of support for 3D on physical media makes me want to hurl…on the CEO's of the companies responsible. Hey, idiots, many of us have invested thousands of dollars on this technology, and 3D films continue to be released to theaters. Get with it, you greedy pricks.

  2. Dick

    This lack of support for 3D on physical media makes me want to hurl…on the CEO's of the companies responsible. Hey, idiots, many of us have invested thousands of dollars on this technology, and 3D films continue to be released to theaters. Get with it, you greedy pricks.

    We've been given 4K in TVs and media as an exchange and are forced to live with it. Customer satisfaction is so 20th century.

  3. Saw it in a special showing on the 17th. When the film switches from B&W to colour and stereo widescreen the effect is astonishing, as if you had just left history behind and were being dumped into the trenches, with horse-drawn artillery going by in the background of the shot, and people talking and moving in the foreground, and the noises of harnesses and wheels. Just amazing. I would like to see it again in a theatre, but apparently, there was only one additional showing, the 27th, and that's all for now folks. Plus, the showing had a thirty-minute "Making Of" after the show, which most people stayed to see. I too, hope that they release it in 3D.

  4. Dick

    This lack of support for 3D on physical media makes me want to hurl…on the CEO's of the companies responsible. Hey, idiots, many of us have invested thousands of dollars on this technology, and 3D films continue to be released to theaters. Get with it, you greedy pricks.

    Buying into 3D was a gamble and many lost. CEO's of these companies saw the writing on the wall in that it wasn't a money maker. It was poorly implemented as well. So it doesn't make sense to invest more money in a failed niche format for home. They may make a decent profit off the theater runs but that's about it.

    Oh and calling them idiots probably isn't helping your cause, that is assuming you think they are here reading the 3D posts. 😉

  5. I don't demand the release of 3D blurays to justify the money I spent on the technology. I find I simply enjoy the film better that way. I respect other people's preferences, but there are many 2d options on the market, and 3D offers something special.

    It's just a matter of putting the film they made on a disc and offering it to the paying customer. Even if demand is not huge they should be able to find a way to produce a small run and make it available. That's the way forward for physical media in general.

  6. JQuintana

    Oh and calling them idiots probably isn't helping your cause, that is assuming you think they are here reading the 3D posts. 😉

    Probably not. Knee-jerk reaction, but that's the way I feel.

  7. JQuintana

    Oh and calling them idiots probably isn't helping your cause, that is assuming you think they are here reading the 3D posts. 😉

    From my many years of pleading and complaining about the lack of customer service or the complete disappearance of customer satisfaction in the tech industry I've come to the conclusion the studios and tech companies do not read posts and could care less what the unwashed masses want or think. The new 8K TVs are a great example of the industry telling us what we want when all I want is a 4K 3D capable monitor and that of course falls on deaf ears. In the corporate world those departments that dealt with customer satisfaction were downsized years ago to cut costs and now are only given lip service in PR brochures and at public events. 3D Blu-ray releases from the studios are a great example of this corporate disregard for consumers. Has there ever been an actual strategy for 3D Blu-ray releases even from the beginning? Disney is a prime example with a Blu-ray 3D release here and there, and then maybe a special deal with this retailer or that or maybe no release in the US at all. But always make sure the 3D disc is priced exorbitantly and in multidisc packaging. We were never told what the strategy was or is and requests for information are NEVER provided. Universal should be heartily congratulated for replacing quickly the mis-authored Revenge Of The Creature 3D disc last year. So nice to see a corporation fix a mistake and make customers happy no matter how small that consumer base may be. So even if I believe someone from a tech or entertainment corporation is reading this I am secure in the knowledge my opinion will not rise any further on the corporate feeding chain as all decisions come from the insulated top and only take profit into consideration and people who still enjoy 3D at home or at the theater are no longer seen as a healthy profit point and are therefore nonentities to the current business plan. The only thing now is to see how quickly they can end 3D quietly without embarrassment.

  8. I was put off by the name-calling and desire to vomit on corporate decision makers with whom you disagreed. Point is, many of us had no desire to pay extra for 3D displays, goggles for the home and unpleasant affects we found viewing 3D in theaters. The anger expressed over the discontinuance of a niche format seems unreasonable. If 3D stayed, I wouldn't be angry about it. I'm not gleeful that is going. However, I think 4K on an OLED display 2D is remarkable and I do not bemoan the absence of 3D on new 4K displays.

  9. Bill McCamy

    I was put off by the name-calling and desire to vomit on corporate decision makers with whom you disagreed. Point is, many of us had no desire to pay extra for 3D displays, goggles for the home and unpleasant affects we found viewing 3D in theaters. The anger expressed over the discontinuance of a niche format seems unreasonable. If 3D stayed, I wouldn't be angry about it. I'm not gleeful that is going. However, I think 4K on an OLED display 2D is remarkable and I do not bemoan the absence of 3D on new 4K displays.

    Do you not think 4K is just another niche format?

  10. TJPC

    Do you not think 4K is just another niche format?

    It may be. However, it is difficult to buy a display that is not 4K now. Market penetration and public acceptance seems greater than niche. Streaming is making optical discs niche unfortunately, but 4K seems to be growing. If in decade only HD is offered, we'll know 4K was like 3D.

  11. Bill McCamy

    I was put off by the name-calling and desire to vomit on corporate decision makers with whom you disagreed. Point is, many of us had no desire to pay extra for 3D displays, goggles for the home and unpleasant affects we found viewing 3D in theaters. The anger expressed over the discontinuance of a niche format seems unreasonable. If 3D stayed, I wouldn't be angry about it. I'm not gleeful that is going. However, I think 4K on an OLED display 2D is remarkable and I do not bemoan the absence of 3D on new 4K displays.

    I always amazes me then when 3D haters feel compelled to post in a discussion of people that enjoy and support 3D tech. Your superiority in thinking 3D a gimmick and your magnanimity in stating you would not "be angry" if 3D TVs were still produced and that you are "not gleeful" it's going is truly off putting. Also since you don't care if 3D is an option on 4K displays and no one is forcing you to use it if it is then I don't see the point in sharing your opinion except to broadcast your feeling of superiority over those who have invested and enjoy 3D technology. Anyway I started this thread to be about the film They Shall Not Grow Old. You've made your point goodbye.

  12. Bill McCamy

    I was put off by the name-calling and desire to vomit on corporate decision makers with whom you disagreed. Point is, many of us had no desire to pay extra for 3D displays, goggles for the home and unpleasant affects we found viewing 3D in theaters. The anger expressed over the discontinuance of a niche format seems unreasonable. If 3D stayed, I wouldn't be angry about it. I'm not gleeful that is going. However, I think 4K on an OLED display 2D is remarkable and I do not bemoan the absence of 3D on new 4K displays.

    I have invested roughly $5000 on my 200 3D Blu-rays, plus $2500 on my 65" 3D OLED display and nearly as much on my previous Panny plasma with active glasses, plus $500 for my several 3D players. Are you saying that my $10,000 expenditure for this format that all the studios were promoting to the hilt not five years ago was a silly sidetrack? I love 3D, as do hundreds on this forum. I feel betrayed and abandoned by the studios (especially you, Disney, who were instrumental in getting me into 3D in the first place). I am sick of hearing all this bullshit about business decisions. I get it. Corporations are all about greed for their stockholders and to hell with the consumers who helped them get where they are. But leaving probably a million or so (?) loyal 3D purchasers wondering what they are going to do when their current display goes bad is simply an example of CEO's shitting on the rest of us.

  13. I don't see how it would be 'greed', it's just general indifference and risk aversion. I feel there is a continuing niche there that they can sustain and profit from if they paid attention to 3D.

    My guess is that there would have been some titles in the past that were overproduced and didn't sell as well as anticipated, so rather than accept that they got it wrong and misjudged the demand, it might be easier to just go along with the '3D is dead' narrative and blame it on that. There is money to be made releasing 3D, but sometimes on a smaller scale than some of the larger companies are used to catering to. Labels like Twilight Time and Kino are more in touch and responsive to niches like that, but to the likes of Disney and Paramount, perhaps they have higher overhead, perhaps they are oblivious, perhaps they are just bastards, but for giant multinational organisations with many other concerns it is all too often ignored.

    Doesn't have to be like that.

  14. TJPC

    Do you not think 4K is just another niche format?

    I would say no, not just no, heck no. Look at the sheer number of 4K displays being sold hourly in this country at all the big box stores. It's far exceeded the niche 3D display sales probably in a much shorter span of time as well. With 3D, you had to seek the TV out at the stores. Today (well over last 1-2 years) all that you can buy is pretty much 100% 4K in some form. All at many many price points. Couldn't say that with the 3D stuff.

    3D was always niche and that's part of why it died.

  15. Dick

    I have invested roughly $5000 on my 200 3D Blu-rays, plus $2500 on my 65" 3D OLED display and nearly as much on my previous Panny plasma with active glasses, plus $500 for my several 3D players. Are you saying that my $10,000 expenditure for this format that all the studios were promoting to the hilt not five years ago was a silly sidetrack? I love 3D, as do hundreds on this forum. I feel betrayed and abandoned by the studios (especially you, Disney, who were instrumental in getting me into 3D in the first place). I am sick of hearing all this bullshit about business decisions. I get it. Corporations are all about greed for their stockholders and to hell with the consumers who helped them get where they are. But leaving probably a million or so (?) loyal 3D purchasers wondering what they are going to do when their current display goes bad is simply an example of CEO's shitting on the rest of us.

    Sorry to hear you may struggle to watch your 3D if your set(s) die but you and I know you were 100% gambling on the format from day one. You honestly didn't think it would become the norm for all TV viewing and buying did you? Looking at the history of 3D over all these decades we all knew every time it popped up, pardon the pun, it ended up being a flash in the pan every single time. It happened in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's. All those eras were short lived, nothing stuck around full time. TV makers never really jumped in during those eras because they new it was a losing proposition.

    Manufacturers honestly couldn't care less what you or the other 3D at home fans spent, they aren't obligated to keep feeding your hobby for your entire life. They saw it dying and left the market just like millions and millions of other products.

    But as pointed out this is about a wonderful movie and it's nice that it was offered in 3D at the theaters at least.

  16. SFMike

    I always amazes me then when 3D haters feel compelled to post in a discussion of people that enjoy and support 3D tech.

    Agreed completely. Posters are certainly welcome to post "I hope this comes to the home in 3d", but we've got a million threads where they can bitch about the death of consumer level 3d. Further comments about that will be moved or deleted

  17. JQuintana

    Sorry to hear you may struggle to watch your 3D if your set(s) die but you and I know you were 100% gambling on the format from day one. You honestly didn't think it would become the norm for all TV viewing and buying did you?

    JQuintana

    Sorry to hear you may struggle to watch your 3D if your set(s) die but you and I know you were 100% gambling on the format from day one. You honestly didn't think it would become the norm for all TV viewing and buying did you? Looking at the history of 3D over all these decades we all knew every time it popped up, pardon the pun, it ended up being a flash in the pan every single time. It happened in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's. All those eras were short lived, nothing stuck around full time. TV makers never really jumped in during those eras because they new it was a losing proposition.

    Manufacturers honestly couldn't care less what you or the other 3D at home fans spent, they aren't obligated to keep feeding your hobby for your entire life. They saw it dying and left the market just like millions and millions of other products.

    But as pointed out this is about a wonderful movie and it's nice that it was offered in 3D at the theaters at least.

    Yes, it seemed (to me) like 3D was here to stay, after several abortive attempts. Had I had even a strong suspicion this format would rather abruptly be discontinued/not supported, I don't think I'd have gone all-in as I did. I am not independently wealthy. And only a few of us had the opportunity to see THEY SHALL NOT GROW OLD at all, let alone in 3D.

  18. I guess we can agree to disagree.

    When 3D hit the TV world my first thought was basically, "this will never last" and as they kept bungling things over those handful of years it was clear they were on a downward spiral. Too many issues, costs were out of line, two different formats fighting each other. It was easy to see very early on that we as customers were gambling away our money if we invested in 3D at home. The writing was on the wall from day one.

  19. JQuintana

    I would say no, not just no, heck no. Look at the sheer number of 4K displays being sold hourly in this country at all the big box stores. It's far exceeded the niche 3D display sales probably in a much shorter span of time as well. With 3D, you had to seek the TV out at the stores. Today (well over last 1-2 years) all that you can buy is pretty much 100% 4K in some form. All at many many price points. Couldn't say that with the 3D stuff.

    3D was always niche and that's part of why it died.

    Keep in mind that the studios who release 4K titles have their entire catalogs to choose from. 3D releases are almost exclusively derived from the comparatively small number of 3D theatrical releases. So, of course it was niche. But it could well have been permanent, had the marketers and studios gotten it right from the starting gate.

  20. I agree, options were limited, still are. But due to all the missteps made by manufacturers and studios, not to mention the shear lack of interest by consumers, I don't see how economically it could exist full time.

  21. JQuintana

    I would say no, not just no, heck no. Look at the sheer number of 4K displays being sold hourly in this country at all the big box stores. It's far exceeded the niche 3D display sales probably in a much shorter span of time as well. With 3D, you had to seek the TV out at the stores. Today (well over last 1-2 years) all that you can buy is pretty much 100% 4K in some form. All at many many price points. Couldn't say that with the 3D stuff.

    3D was always niche and that's part of why it died.

    3D viewing may be niche, but the production of 3D displays was no such thing about 7 years ago. Most quality units included 3D whether you wanted that feature or not.

    Pointing at 4K TV sales says absolutely nothing about the number of viewers who will ever use that technology to its potential. How many will ever buy a 4K disc? How many new 4K TV owners are still watching DVDs instead of Blu-ray?

    In other words, buying a 4K TV does not immediately place you in the ranks of a groundswell of support for UHD any more than all those 3D sets that were sold but have never been used to watch a 3D presentation.

    Yes, 3D is and always was a niche market. So is the market for vinyl LPs, yet that has seen a resurgence based partly on nostalgia and (to a lesser extent) on quality. I stream some music, but I also still purchase CDs. It is the all-or-nothing approach that displeases fans of specific formats.

  22. Bill McCamy

    No. It was the insulting, vituperative tantrum-like tone of some of the posts that displeased this non-fan.

    I agree that one post in particular was vituperative (I like that word, and am pleased you found a use for it) and overstated the case against studio non-support of 3D. However, while I didn't like the tone I do appreciate the message. 3D fans feel dumped on, not because studios don't make all moves in 3D, but because they have begun to forego home video releases of existing 3D films.

    Mr. Jackson plainly wants us to see his hard work in 3D, but apparently I am not going to have that option, even though the studios would not even need to add a single disc to the package (if they are worried about cost).

    If never another film is released at the cinema in 3D I can be happy with the ones that have — but studios that withhold available titles are absolutely displaying an "I-don't-care" attitude toward individuals they once hoped would be regular consumers of their wares. I will never, ever purchase a 2D version of a 3D film. That decision won't affect the bottom line of any corporation, but I will always know that it was the studio that compromised, not me.

  23. Dan_Shane

    3D viewing may be niche, but the production of 3D displays was no such thing about 7 years ago. Most quality units included 3D whether you wanted that feature or not.

    Pointing at 4K TV sales says absolutely nothing about the number of viewers who will ever use that technology to its potential. How many will ever buy a 4K disc? How many new 4K TV owners are still watching DVDs instead of Blu-ray?

    In other words, buying a 4K TV does not immediately place you in the ranks of a groundswell of support for UHD any more than all those 3D sets that were sold but have never been used to watch a 3D presentation.

    Yes, 3D is and always was a niche market. So is the market for vinyl LPs, yet that has seen a resurgence based partly on nostalgia and (to a lesser extent) on quality. I stream some music, but I also still purchase CDs. It is the all-or-nothing approach that displeases fans of specific formats.

    Disc sales are dying off so odds are most new 4K smart TV owners will not waste the money in buying expensive discs and players. They can click on the Netflix app (UHD 4K/HDR)or YouTube and watch plenty of 4K stuff for half the cost of just one 4K movie on disc.

    Vinyl isn't really taking off again. It will have it's nostalgia crowd (me included) but it will never become a thing again as days of past.

  24. JQuintana

    Disc sales are dying off so odds

    To be accurate — DVD sales have been falling drastically approx 20-25% annually for several years now. BD sales are falling slowly — approx 3-4% per year since peak 2013. UHD sale are drastically higher than they were last year though a lot of that is obviously due to number of actual releases to honestly much of the BD decline can be traced to items companies aren't releasing on BD at all that they were a few years ago. BD(incl 3D) + UHD is only slightly lower than 2-3 years ago — this year quarterly sales were up in 3 out of 4 quarters compared to 2017. 2019 should be the year HD discs finally outsell DVD overall.

    This only includes US data from those retailers reporting through HomeMediaMagazine. I have yet to find anything reliable about International sale nor exactly which retailers don't report to HMM.

  25. Here's the real question: Will we get They Shall Not Grow Old on 3D BD on this side of the pond? All indicators point to no, which is a crying shame for those of us who would love it and have the ability to play it. Further, if you want to finger point and lay blame as to why, the blame lies on the BBC, plain and simple. They are the ones who financed the project, hired Peter Jackson to do it, and released it to theatres in colour and 3D. Don't blame WB, as they merely have a licence to distribute BBC product on disc, and are one of the few labels still releasing their own material in 3D. I'm not sure what benefit UHD 4K would bring to this project, given that most of the footage may barely have 2K worth of resolution, and HDR will do nothing for footage of this vintage. I've gotten to the point where I'm sick and tired of the arguments over 3D vs. 4K etc., etc., and simply question for those who would come and threadcrap on a forum page stating that They Shall Not Grow Old is the 3D event of the year: why are you here? Your anti-3D evangelising is falling on deaf ears here. We've heard it all, and NOTHING is going to change. Let us enjoy our little corner in peace, and we will afford you the same courtesy.

  26. Man, this thread really got sidetracked. Please, let’s calm down the emotions and remember this is a community for HT enthusiasts. The enemy isn’t each other, it’s the corporate greed and the total disregard that corporations of today have towards their consumer base. So can we get back on topic and discuss the subject matter that this thread was started for. Thank you and let’s be respectful and friendly towards each other.

  27. I'm going to say that the 3D for this film is impossible. It has made less than $6 million at the box office, home video sales will probably be one tenth of that for the 2D BD. Where does that leave a 3D version on Blu-Ray? DOA.

    Sorry guys, this is coming from someone that loves 3D very much:(

  28. Bryan^H

    I'm going to say that the 3D for this film is impossible. It has made less than $6 million at the box office, home video sales will probably be one tenth of that for the 2D BD. Where does that leave a 3D version on Blu-Ray? DOA.

    Sorry guys, this is coming from someone that loves 3D very much:(

    $6 mill is damn solid for this film considering it only had two days in theaters. Who knows? Maybe Peter Jackson has something in his deal with WB for a 3D Blu-ray. 🙂

    The screening I attended was sold out and I was pretty surprised by that. A good deal of the audience skewed younger as well. Didn't think a WWI documentary would be such a draw at 4pm on a Thursday.

    As for the movie, some of the restoration was very impressive. But a lot of the movie was footage that was DNR'd to death, blown up, cropped, and colorized. Good job in some respects, but the purist in me had mixed feelings. 🙂

  29. Ray H

    $6 mill is damn solid for this film considering it only had two days in theaters. Who knows? Maybe Peter Jackson has something in his deal with WB for a 3D Blu-ray. 🙂

    The screening I attended was sold out and I was pretty surprised by that. A good deal of the audience skewed younger as well. Didn't think a WWI documentary would be such a draw at 4pm on a Thursday.

    As for the movie, some of the restoration was very impressive. But a lot of the movie was footage that was DNR'd to death, blown up, cropped, and colorized. Good job in some respects, but the purist in me had mixed feelings. 🙂

    Yeah, I missed it here as they wanted $15 for a ticket which is double the normal price of a ticket here. Looking back, I wish I attended even though I wasn't in the mood to go to the movie theater that day.

  30. Bryan^H

    I'm going to say that the 3D for this film is impossible. It has made less than $6 million at the box office, home video sales will probably be one tenth of that for the 2D BD. Where does that leave a 3D version on Blu-Ray? DOA.

    Sorry guys, this is coming from someone that loves 3D very much:(

    There is still more money to be made as the film expands this month into more theaters with a general release. Don’t count out a 3D home version yet.

  31. Tino

    There is still more money to be made as the film expands this month into more theaters with a general release. Don’t count out a 3D home version yet.

    I totally agree as Warner Home Video still has respect for us 3D enthusiasts. There is still a chance the Warner Archive could give us a 3D enabled version of this great film after it's more widespread release. Here's hoping all are complaining on this site gets through to someone who cares at the Warner Achieve!

  32. I wonder how much of the total gross came from 3D presentations? 1%, more? Seems when our local theaters have a 3D showing it's limited to a handful of showings vs. 2D. Meaning on a Friday you can find one screen showing it at say 4:30 and 7:30 only.

  33. SFMike

    I totally agree as Warner Home Video still has respect for us 3D enthusiasts. There is still a chance the Warner Archive could give us a 3D enabled version of this great film after it's more widespread release. Here's hoping all are complaining on this site gets through to someone who cares at the Warner Achieve!

    Post a comment on their Facebook page.

  34. So far there's no indication that there's going to be a 3D release anywhere. The 2D disc has been reported Region Free like most BBC disc and I think it's a progressive encode so no frequency issues. I guess if it did well enough in first release that they going to extend and expand it there's at least some chance they could revisit the release eventually

  35. SFMike

    I totally agree as Warner Home Video still has respect for us 3D enthusiasts. There is still a chance the Warner Archive could give us a 3D enabled version of this great film after it's more widespread release. Here's hoping all are complaining on this site gets through to someone who cares at the Warner Achieve!

    It's not Warner's call; it's BBC's, and I have yet to see any of the BBC titles released by Warner done by Warner Archive.

  36. New, third showing date on Fathom Events Jan 21 2019

    "On the heels of its already record-breaking release, and in response to popular demand, a third Fathom Events date has been added for Warner Bros. Pictures’ much-heralded WWI documentary “They Shall Not Grow Old,” from Oscar-winning filmmaker Peter Jackson. The film will be screened at more than 1,000 locations in the U.S. and Canada on Monday, January 21, 2019, taking advantage of the holiday weekend…..

    …..Tickets will be available soon at http://www.FathomEvents.com and participating theater box offices."

    https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190103005760/en/Peter-Jackson’s-“They-Grow-Old”-Date-Fathom

  37. I saw it on the 17th. The Fathom Events website listed two showings that day at the theater I frequent. The theater, thank goodness, added two more shows. I arrived at 6:30p and the 7 and 7:15 were already sold out and there were only five tickets left for the 8p showing. Pretty impressive for a documentary on a Monday night.

    Tickets were $12.50 because of the 3D upcharge. I think the 2D showings were $9 or $10 because it was a special event.

    I found it to be worth every penny. I was skeptical at first – colorization, sound, 3D? Those are not things I associate with preservation. I was blown away and then even more so when I watched the documentary afterwards. Jackson's attention to detail is mindboggling.

    If you get a chance to see it – make every effort to do so. You won't be sorry.

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