The Joey Bishop Show in its entirety and in separate seasons is finally out on DVD…details below

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Just spotted this newest and latest info on The Joey Bishop Show, which can be purchased in two ways and it just came out on March 13, 2018 and all the details and cover art is as follows and in the link provided as well:

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  1. rmw650

    The link was not too clear as to where to buy these but for more info, i spotted this information so hoping this helps those fans who would really like to get this series and chalk it up as another completed set in the listings…

    Contact them at [email protected], located at 901 Bilter Road – Suite 141 Aurora, IL 60502 or call 1-800-877-1778 for further information…http://www.alliedvaughn.com

    If you click on the link within the news article at ClassicFlix, it will take you to the page where you can order. Otherwise, search at ClassicFlix.com and you can order the complete series or the individual sets at their store.

  2. Robert13

    If you click on the link within the news article at ClassicFlix, it will take you to the page where you can order. Otherwise, search at ClassicFlix.com and you can order the complete series or the individual sets at their store.

    Put the order in and far cheaper than what Amazon had it up for yesterday. Thanks for the heads up.

  3. No problem, Neil! Thanks for the preview news that it was coming soon! I was excited to hear and now even more excited to finally place my order.

    I hadn't seen the Amazon listing til it changed to "currently unavailable" so I was wondering which would be the better deal. Now I'm glad I placed my order directly. Hope they ship soon. I'm eager to watch this show and see many episodes that I have never seen before. 🙂

  4. I'll be curious to hear the reviews of this new DVD set. Retro TV airs the color episodes every weeknight at 6pm pacific time. The prints they use have a strange orange or pink hue. Hopefully, the episodes on this new DVD set will be remastered.

  5. Robert13

    If you click on the link within the news article at ClassicFlix, it will take you to the page where you can order. Otherwise, search at ClassicFlix.com and you can order the complete series or the individual sets at their store.

    I forgot about Classicflix having these as i would have figured the TV website would have provided and posted some extra added info on how to get them, but they weren't listed on there, so I thought maybe contact the company that were making these would have more info on it, but that's also another solution for getting these as well. Thanks for the extra info, Robert.

  6. Ron Lee Green

    I'll be curious to hear the reviews of this new DVD set. Retro TV airs the color episodes every weeknight at 6pm pacific time. The prints they use have a strange orange or pink hue. Hopefully, the episodes on this new DVD set will be remastered.

    Knowing SFM, they are using whatever transfers they have on hand and not doing new ones. That means that seasons 2-4 are the same transfers they sold to TV Land 25 years ago and only the first season would be newer as those were just done for Antenna this year.

  7. For anyone interested, I received my set and all episodes are syndicated "edited" cuts. I was surprised to see that even Season 2 was edited. Questar's previous set of Season 2 was made up of complete uncut episodes with the exception of 1 episode I believe.

    The cuts are crude and abrupt so far. For me, this is the only way to view the series as Antenna TV is no longer available in my area. But, it IS disappointing that a set with a price tag like this has "edited" episodes. It's a shame. Also, Season 1 looks to be the only restored season so far. Son-of-a-gun…:mellow:

  8. Thank you Robert for that info, as distressing as it is…I'll be picking this up regardless, for the same reasons as yourself…and in the face of the cruel realities and abuse that The Joey Bishop Show has suffered in syndication and on less than desired DVD presentation…damn, I really wish they could have got this one right…too much to expect that a potential re-release of Make Room For Daddy would fare any better…if that happens…

  9. Flashgear

    Thank you Robert for that info, as distressing as it is…I'll be picking this up regardless, for the same reasons as yourself…and in the face of the cruel realities and abuse that The Joey Bishop Show has suffered in syndication and on less than desired DVD presentation…damn, I really wish they could have got this one right…too much to expect that a potential re-release of Make Room For Daddy would fare any better…if that happens…

    Ain't that the truth! Even on the Questar set, they had to go messing with the opening credits.
    I had high hopes that this new set was going to be the real deal. TimeLife would not have released the show this way. I'm watching it though, just the same. Halfway through disc 1 so far and enjoying it but looking forward to Joe Besser. I get a kick out of him.

  10. Disappointing! They couldn't even get Season 2 right? I don't get it. Without any other possibilities, I will probably eventually pick this up, because I would like to at least see some of the show. Maybe a used set will show up somewhere for cheap.

    Let's hope some other company will be releasing Make Room for Daddy, if it ever happens.

  11. Robert13

    For anyone interested, I received my set and all episodes are syndicated "edited" cuts. I was surprised to see that even Season 2 was edited. Questar's previous set of Season 2 was made up of complete uncut episodes with the exception of 1 episode I believe.

    The cuts are crude and abrupt so far. For me, this is the only way to view the series as Antenna TV is no longer available in my area. But, it IS disappointing that a set with a price tag like this has "edited" episodes. It's a shame. Also, Season 1 looks to be the only restored season so far. Son-of-a-gun…:mellow:

    How long does each episode run, because if it runs about 23 or so minutes I think I could be okay with that; but i f they run about 20:30 minutes like the make room for daddy and real McCoys I'll have to pass until it I could find a good deal on it.

  12. The last few episodes I watched clocked in at 23 minutes. The edits are a bit more subtle too. Not sure why they were so crude on the first few episodes, including the color episode "A Windfall For Mom". The opening intro seems to have been cut and all they left was the title and "Starring Joey Bishop". 🙄

  13. When they ran seasons 2-4 on TV Land, were they complete there? If so, I guess I'll be pulling out the tapes I picked up from that run that I've been sitting on waiting for DVDs. Too bad about season 1 though, as to me that's the best format of the series. Ironic thing is that they included the pilot from The Danny Thomas Show and that runs 25 minutes!

  14. Robert13

    The last few episodes I watched clocked in at 23 minutes. The edits are a bit more subtle too. Not sure why they were so crude on the first few episodes, including the color episode "A Windfall For Mom". The opening intro seems to have been cut and all they left was the title and "Starring Joey Bishop". 🙄

    I wish they could have just timesped them to pick up the extra 2 1/2 minutes. What it looks like they did, from scanning the first several episodes, is they join the show's teaser in progress.

  15. I noticed that too, Neil, about the pilot episode. Apparently on the Questar set, the pilot was edited. I am hanging onto my Questar set for the uncut Season 2 episodes.

    I was particularly interested in one Season 1 episode featuring Jesslyn Fax (who I think it hilarious). She is supposed to play a cleaning woman. Either I missed seeing her because her appearance was so brief or they deleted her scene.

    If you really watch closely, certain close-ups in some episodes of Season 1 look jerky. Not sure why as the rest of the episodes look fine. Not sure if that's a remastering flaw or a dvd authoring flaw.

    I'm on Disc 2 now and watching a few episodes nightly. I will say "Five Brides For Joey" has been the funniest episode so far. LOL!

  16. As I continue to watch Season 1 on DVD, I have noticed that in the episode "Barney The Bloodhound" there seems to be an authoring error. The first part of the episode looks jerky. Not sure if that is how the episode appeared when it aired recently. Also, the episode "Taming of the Brat" ends without resolution. Did it really end that way? You never find out what happens to Ronnie. Very odd! This has got to be the worst DVD set produced this year.

  17. We don't get that many releases for television shows from this time period anymore, so when something is announced, it is disappointing and quite frustrating to discover a lousy job has been done on the release. This sounds like a real botched job.

  18. ChrisALM

    We don't get that many releases for television shows from this time period anymore, so when something is announced, it is disappointing and quite frustrating to discover a lousy job has been done on the release. This sounds like a real botched job.

    "Botched" is the perfect word for this release. I doubt Joey Bishop himself would have allowed such a release. Many episodes have such an unresolved feel to them as the tag scenes are missing from the end. It skips right to the pre-closing credits before they fade out and go right to the actual closing credits. It's most disappointing as the season plays on because the episodes got better and funnier.

  19. Same quality and edits as the recent run, it seems. But now I can free up the space on my DVR without having to do any of my own maneuvering to save the episodes. Still a net-plus (as far as I'm concerned).

  20. ChrisALM

    We don't get that many releases for television shows from this time period anymore, so when something is announced, it is disappointing and quite frustrating to discover a lousy job has been done on the release. This sounds like a real botched job.

    Sounds to me the company that released this literally half-assed this entire series just for the sake of getting it out onto DVD to make a fast buck. They need to go back to the drawing board and take the necessary time and steps and produce a better and more improved set for the customers and fans.

  21. I just watched "Double Exposure" and almost the entire episode had that jerky appearance. I'm considering returning my set. It was too expensive for me to just keep and not be happy with the product. If we all do that, they would have to notice that it affects sales.

  22. If they do any analysis, I guess they figured out their profit would be higher by saving money on restoration, even with fewer sales. In other words, the sales they lose — such as one to me — by releasing crap like this wouldn't make up for the expense involved in restoration.

    They don't care about those of us who lose out — they only care about making money — which is understandable, of course. This wasn't on my short list of shows I wanted, but it is disappointing. Of course, I'm no worse off than before. I'll just pretend it was never released at all. 🙂

  23. Robert13

    For anyone interested, you can let SFM know how disappointed you are in this release by sending them a message here: http://www.sfment.com/index.php/contact/#1330962113

    If anyone does this, let us know if they reply.

    Personally, I'm not as concerned with the picture or sound quality of releases if it's something I'd like, as much as I am with the editing of content. I don't even mind so much if the content is there, but sped up. If it was reported that the shows weren't edited, I'd be on board, but now I'm put off. I'll only get it now if the price is too good to pass up.

  24. Don’t care what state the episodes are in — am going to get the set for only the first season — I am a huge Joe Flynn fan and he was one of the stars of the show and got so many laughs in the first season, Joey fired him after the first 12 shows and ordered that not only his episodes be destroyed but that the entire first season be kept out of circulation.

    The word got out about this and soon Joe was cast as Capt. Binghampton and “McHale’s Navy” the following season and the rest is history.

  25. To be honest I somewhat expected this, SFM has always had a problem giving due reverence to they're comedies; they're westerns on the other hand have fared surprisingly well on DVD, which is certainly a strange dichotomy, this is the third show they've butchered because of a need to cut corners, first it was make room for daddy, then real McCoys and now joey bishop, I've gotta tell you I'm not as excited about the bill Dana release that has been alluded to as of late, because they might just fuck that up too.

  26. Brian McP

    I am a huge Joe Flynn fan and he was one of the stars of the show and got so many laughs in the first season, Joey fired him after the first 12 shows and ordered that not only his episodes be destroyed but that the entire first season be kept out of circulation.

    That's an interesting story. Do you have any more details on Bishop's issues with Flynn? Was he afraid of being upstaged?

  27. howard1908

    I've gotta tell you I'm not as excited about the bill Dana release that has been alluded to as of late, because they might just fuck that up too.

    I was thinking the same thing. It will probably be a MOD release and the episodes will probably be crammed onto as few discs as possible with authoring issues like JB.

  28. I have to say (and I know I'm in the minority on this one but) I am glad Joey got rid of Joe Flynn (if that's what happened). I found him to be very annoying and unfunny. I didn't care for his type of comedy. I can understand why Joe Flynn was let go because Joey Bishop's type of comedy definitely clashed with Joe Flynn. Joey Bishop has a more subtle and dry sense of humor. In my opinion, the show worked better with Joey as the lead. But many did not care for Joey Bishop as a comic either. So, to each his own.

  29. Robert13

    I have to say (and I know I'm in the minority on this one but) I am glad Joey got rid of Joe Flynn (if that's what happened). I found him to be very annoying and unfunny. I didn't care for his type of comedy. I can understand why Joe Flynn was let go because Joey Bishop's type of comedy definitely clashed with Joe Flynn. Joey Bishop has a more subtle and dry sense of humor. In my opinion, the show worked better with Joey as the lead. But many did not care for Joey Bishop as a comic either. So, to each his own.

    I find the first season the best with Joe Flynn, Marlo Thomas, Madge Blake and Warren Berlinger as the supporting cast.

  30. It's a great season! As the season goes on, I found it got even better. The episode "Must The Show Go On?" is hilarious! I am also finding the last few episodes are not edited as crudely as the rest of the episodes on this set. They are still syndicated versions but at least we feel the storyline has resolved. When it was left sorta hangin', it felt incomplete.

  31. UPDATE: I have noticed on the last few episodes of Season 1/Disc 4, the jerky motion thing seems to have stopped. So now I'm wondering if the authoring was messed up and somehow corrected towards the end of Disc 4. We'll see if it continues into the next season. Hopefully not.

  32. cadavra

    Damn, wish I'd known this before pre-ordering it. Oh, well…

    FWIW, there's a nostalgia channel called RetroTV that's also airing it, and the teasers are intact.

    Mike S.

    That's the one vintage TV network not on FIOS. Do they air season one also or is that just on Antenna TV?

  33. Neil Brock

    That's the one vintage TV network not on FIOS. Do they air season one also or is that just on Antenna TV?

    I'm not a regular viewer of Joey, but I do watch Retro TV quite often, and I've never seen the first season on that network. I assume that season is exclusive to Antenna TV.
    As far as teasers, is that the part where they show Joey doing his stand up act before they go to the title credits? If so, then yes, I just caught an episode, and Retro is showing them. Shame they weren't included on the set.

  34. To elaborate on what others have previously said, I agree, The Joey Bishop Show DVD's that came out a few months ago are no good. The episodes are the same edited ones currently being shown on Antenna TV. Shame on the people who released this. They didn't even use silver/pressed DVD's, the discs are the burned variety, they might be DVD+R instead of DVD-R because they have problems playing in my DVD player. The set is just a complete mess all the way around. Edited episodes, bad discs, I wasted money buying this. The only thing worthwhile on this set is the series pilot episode from The Danny Thomas Show because it happens to be uncut. But everything else is edited. Only hope now, and it's probably a slim hope, is for a decent DVD studio to come along and release the series properly with the uncut episodes.

    The season 2 set released by Questar is a keeper because it has uncut episodes, except for "Joey's House Guest" which is edited. First minute or so of the episode is missing, funny banter between Joe Besser and Joey Bishop is what's missing.

  35. mark-edk

    Just an FYI: I spotted the Joey Bishop Show on Amazon Prime. Season 1 are all listed at 23m each, but 2, 3, and 4 claim to be 25m each. I haven't seen the show since it aired so I don't know if 25m is complete but it seems likely to me that it would be or at least pretty close to it. Also Seasons 2 and 3 are color, Season 4 is B&W.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07QD83XFM/ref=atv_dp_season_select_atf

    Yes I've noticed this also, I'd be curious to see if the season 3 and 4 shows are really uncut, but I'm not going to pay Amazon's fee in order to find out. I'll just keep my recordings of the edited versions from Antenna TV and continue to hold out a slim hope that one day this series will get a proper DVD release with the uncut episodes. There's one season 4 episode- "The Sultan's Gift" that runs only about 20 minutes, I believe Amazon shows the same 20 minute run time for this episode.

  36. I watched the first two eps of season two last night. Enjoyed them a lot; forgot how much I liked Joey Bishop back in the day. Incredible timing. Was a bit amused that the first episode has almost the same plot as the first Danny Thomas episode with Marjorie Lord: they're supposed to be honeymooning in Vegas but Joey/Danny end up doing their act on stage.

  37. On the DVD releases the Make Room for Daddy episode that served as the pilot is included and it's uncut. Also uncut are the first episode of Season 1 and Season 2. (I haven't gone beyond the Season 2 DVD's, yet.)

    The first season also has 5 color episodes:

    1- 3 A Windfall for Mom (color) (October 4, 1961)
    1- 8 Five Brides for Joey (color) (November 1, 1961)
    1-12 The Ham in the Family (color) (December 6, 1961)
    1-20 Double Exposure (color) (February 7, 1962)
    1-25 That's Showbiz (color) (March 14, 1962)

    Now, were these episodes filmed in color or colorized? I can't really tell.
    –Some early shows that started filming in color have odd coloring at first. (I'm thinking of My Three Sons monochromatic all pale green kitchen.)
    –Also, if something is colorized there is usually a credit for that. None on those episodes.
    –In fact, the packaging does not even mention there are any color episodes in Season 1 at all.

    When these started airing on Antenna-TV, I liked it enough that when a great deal for the entire series on DVD presented itself to me, I decided to buy it, despite the maddening situation of it being edited syndicated episodes.

    The first season is maddeningly inconsistent and concentrates too much on Joey's family…sister, brother and mother, instead of his job. (And for awhile they had his other sister and brother-in-law, played by Joe Flynn…verry annoying in this role…until they inexplicably disappear.) They wisely jettisoned this scenario and retooled it for Season 2, although they then added another annoying character in Season 2 played by Guy Marks, who also disappears around the middle of the second season, after an episode revolving around him, and is replaced by the more likable Corbett Monica who stays for the remainder of the series. Season 2 also benefits with the addition of the lovely Abbe Dalton and the daffy Joe Besser, who some might find annoying and/or unlikable, but I don't.

    The second season is better, but still has some wild fluctuations in storyline quality. I was mostly familiar with the third season of this series. I've seen most of Season 3 on Antenna-TV and Season 3 is the best season and is where the show should have begun in Season 1. The writing seems better and many guest stars, as themselves, liven things up. I was particularly bowled over with two episodes about the Dodgers and the appearance, in the final third season episode, I believe, of the Andrews Sisters!

    The 4th Season the show moved to CBS, even in the plot lines, as long as they agreed to film it in b&w. I've only seen a handful of Season 4.

    This series has many oddities. A first season situation completely dismantled half-way through and then altogether for Season 2. Five color episodes. (And a Christmas episode that takes place in March!) Season 2 starts with a new premise and another character who disappears halfway through the season. Season 3 has the infamous LOST episode that dealt with a JFK impressionist. It apparently was destroyed because of current events at the time. Season 4 changes networks. And it reverts to being filmed in b&w. Has any other show began in b&w, changed to color and then reverted to b&w? Plus, a second season DVD release uncut over ten (?) years ago and now a full season syndication edited release.

    Even with all this, maybe because of it?, there's something about the show that I get a lot of pleasure out of.

  38. I agree with much of Martin P's comments.

    The 1st season has good moments but overall is an uneven season. Joe Flynn is gone after about 10 episodes into the season, Joey Bishop supposedly fired him. It's interesting to see Marlo Thomas although she doesn't really add a lot to the show, she would later become a star in her own series That Girl. I'm not really familiar with the actor Warren Berlinger, who has the role of Joey's younger brother in the 1st season. Familiar character actress Madge Blake has the role of Joey's mom in season 1, but she is gone after the 1st season and is not seen or mentioned again from season 2 onward. Bill Bixby pops up in a few episodes later on in season 1.

    Season 2 is an improvement over season 1. Abby Dalton joins the series as Joey's wife Ellie, she's adequate in the role. Joe Besser has the role of maintenance man Jillson, he is zany and steals just about every scene he's in. The episode "Jillson And The Cinnamon Buns" is very funny. I agree about Guy Marks, he's mostly annoying in the role of Joey's manager, Bishop supposedly fired Marks as well. Corbett Monica is much better in the role. One gimmick they had for awhile in season 2 was when Joey or Ellie communicated with Jillson through the apartment ventilator, I imagine Joey Bishop disliked this gimmick because it was eventually dropped. Joey also had a nickname for his wife Ellie, he called her "Texas" because that's where she was from, but later in the 2nd season he stops using the nickname.

    The 3rd season is when the series finally finds a groove and I agree this is the best season. Season 3 has what I think is probably the best episode of the entire series, the episode with Phil Foster and Leo Durocher as guest stars. Lots of laughs in this episode. Another good one is Joey The Comedian vs. Larry The Writer. Lots of laughs in this episode too, especially when Joey blows his top and fires his wife Ellie, and then also threatens to fire their newborn son! :laugh: The episode with Jack Jones is a good one too, also the episode with Jack Carter and the episode with Vic Damone. Lots to enjoy in the 3rd season, best season overall of the series.

    Season 4 the show moves to CBS, and at this point the series becomes a bit more subdued and routine, for one thing there are fewer guest stars this season, and with the move to CBS, the series reverted back to black and white for the 4th season. Overall it's a decent season with several good episodes but is lacking the quality that season 3 has. To me, in the 4th season, Joey's sitcom sort of starts to bear a resemblance to The Dick Van Dyke Show.

  39. Those five color episodes from the first season were indeed filmed in color, rather than colorized. NBC was experimenting with filming in color that seasons: “Wagon Train” had five color episodes that season (they have generally been rerun in B&W over the years, though Encore Westerns has finally shown several of them in color); and “Hazel” filmed a single episode in color that year.

    I don’t get why there was so much effort to find a successful vehicle for Joey Bishop. He’s really not very likable or funny on this show.

  40. Lecagr

    The season 2 set released by Questar is a keeper because it has uncut episodes, except for "Joey's House Guest" which is edited. First minute or so of the episode is missing, funny banter between Joe Besser and Joey Bishop is what's missing.

    This episode runs 25 minutes on Amazon and begins with Joey answering the door and Joe Besser coming in.

  41. mark-edk

    This episode runs 25 minutes on Amazon and begins with Joey answering the door and Joe Besser coming in.

    Yes, I recorded the episode from Antenna TV and it has the beginning part that's missing on the Questar DVD.

  42. sjbradford

    I don’t get why there was so much effort to find a successful vehicle for Joey Bishop. He’s really not very likable or funny on this show.

    To each their own, I think Joey Bishop is likable and funny but his style of comedy/humor isn't for everybody, it's an acquired taste.

  43. Lecagr

    I'm not really familiar with the actor Warren Berlinger, who has the role of Joey's younger brother in the 1st season.
    […]
    Bill Bixby pops up in a few episodes later on in season 1.

    I remembered Warren Berlinger appearing in many TV episodes, particularly a 4 pt. Wonderful World of Disney called Kilroy, or Kilroy Was Here. He was also on Love, American Style in quite a few segments. He actually appeared on That Girl with Marlo Thomas a couple times. I looked up his credits just now and all of the TV series he was a regular on didn't last more than a season. (Among them Bracken's World! and the 1977 Operation Petticoat.) But, this guy has 115 movie & TV credits, he is 81 now, and still working, recently appearing on the Tomlin/Fonda series Grace and Frankie! (Good for him!)

    I like Bill BIxby, and his appearance on Joey Bishop's first season was also strange. The actor who played Joey's boss disappears all of a sudden and is replaced with the character's young swinging nephew,played by Bixby.

    Lecagr

    One gimmick they had for awhile in season 2 was when Joey or Ellie communicated with Jillson through the apartment ventilator, I imagine Joey Bishop disliked this gimmick because it was eventually dropped.

    They stopped that with Jillson, but then they'd have Jillson's wife talking/calling for her husband through the ventilator, an unseen character like Carlton the Doorman on Rhoda.

    (By the way, Joe Besser was on a couple first season episodes as a neighbor. He was a mailman and he had the same name, Jillson.)

    Lecagr

    Season 3 has what I think is probably the best episode of the entire series, the episode with Phil Foster and Leo Durocher as guest stars. Lots of laughs in this episode. Another good one is Joey The Comedian vs. Larry The Writer.

    I also like that episode with Foster/Durocher. Dodger related appearances, mostly on sitcoms, were prevalent through the mid-sixties after the team moved to Los Angeles. Those series include Mister Ed, The Beverly HIllbillies, Dennis the Menace and The Hollywood Palace. I recently picked up the one season series "Hank" on DVD and just noticed yesterday there's an episode titled "Maury Wills Comes to the Rescue." (!)

    The other episode you mentioned you liked from Season 3 is one that I haven't seen yet!

    sjbradford

    Those five color episodes from the first season were indeed filmed in color, rather than colorized. NBC was experimenting with filming in color that seasons: “Wagon Train” had five color episodes that season (they have generally been rerun in B&W over the years, though Encore Westerns has finally shown several of them in color); and “Hazel” filmed a single episode in color that year.

    Thanks for that information! I did know about that Hazel episode, I have that DVD series. Apparently the sponsor (Ford was it?) wanted NBC to film the first season in color to show off their new car models, but NBC didn't want to pay the extra expense. The color episode, for those that don't know, was about Hazel wanting to buy a color television set. After the first season was the #4 show of the season (behind Wagon Train, Bonanza and Gunsmoke, NBC relented.

  44. Martin P., that's correct, Joe Besser was Jillson the postman in the 1st season before he became Jillson the maintenance man in the 2nd season. Joey Bishop must have liked Joe Besser because Besser was in the series for all four seasons and didn't get fired. :laugh:

    Joey Bishop fired Joe Flynn, he fired Guy Marks, and I imagine he also fired John Griggs, the actor who had the role of Joey's boss in the 1st season until he vanished and Bill Bixby mysteriously appeared. I don't think Madge Blake was fired, her role as Joey's mom just wasn't needed anymore with the 2nd season format change and Abby Dalton joining the cast as Joey's wife.

  45. Lecagr

    To me, in the 4th season, Joey's sitcom sort of starts to bear a resemblance to The Dick Van Dyke Show.

    Good eye! CBS picked up THE JOEY BISHOP SHOW for its fourth season based on its "Danny Thomas" pedigree. THE DANNY THOMAS SHOW had packed up and left the network so the network suits saw Joey as a good replacement. Unfortunately, they scheduled it opposite the second half of BONANZA during that series' juggernaut of the ratings. After a short time on Sunday, CBS moved Joey to Tuesday night – and all along had an idea of making it similar to the successful DICK VAN DYKE SHOW.

  46. I happened across an interesting behind-the-scenes glimpse of the show. Betty Santora was a guest star playing an opera singer on one episode. It was filmed at the same time they were waiting for the network to decide on a third season so Joey was a bit on edge. Ms Santora gives an honest and I think balanced look at working with him and her experiences on the show (the issue with her episode being mistitled by Amazon appears to have been corrected):

    https://www.amazon.com/review/R1R63B8J9JF1B7

  47. He sounded like an absolute jerk – berating a girl for 15 minutes because she “did not show enough apreciation toward him at the taping, like hugging him. I was only 17, the directer had to come down and tell him to stop. I was in tears.”

    A minor talent at best, and a bully.

  48. I'm familiar with those comments on Amazon from Betty Santora, I read them a few years ago. Her comments didn't surprise me because it's no secret that Joey Bishop was sometimes difficult to get along with. Joey Bishop was a good performer on camera, but off camera he was known to occasionally cause turmoil on the set of his TV show. When Betty's episode was being filmed, Joey Bishop was waiting for word if his series was getting renewed for a 3rd season, so he was probably more insecure/nervous than usual. At the end of her comments, Betty says she has no ill feelings toward Joey Bishop and thanks him for the experience of being on his show. Good for her.

  49. I've watched all of seasons 2-4 and agree that when the show went to CBS it changed, not for the better IMHO. Most notably, there was nothing of the 'Joey Barnes Show' at all: no segments like Joey and the LA Dodgers, or Joey with Andy Williams etc. The focus drifted away from show biz angles and with the importing of people like Rusty it became more like a family sitcom. It didn't help that Rusty disappeared without a word of explanation; at least Larry's fiancé was given a two-sentence explanation for her vanishing act. Hilda and Jillson were softened up too, but on the whole the series was still enjoyable and occasionally hit some high notes. The actual footage of Joey at the hospital where Abby Dalton's daughter was born was one of the show's memorable moments.
    PS: Both seasons three and four had early shows that were held back til the end of the run (in the case of season three the opening episode) where they were chronologically out of place. I forget which season had the show where they thought about going on a second honeymoon to Lake something-or-other because they spent their first honeymoon there. Only we know they honeymooned in Vegas.

  50. In Cybill Shepherd's book, she talks about working in dinner theater with Bishop and how he would get close to her and whisper, "fuck you" to her to try to get her to screw up her lines and look bad. Nice guy.

  51. Its the only show I know that went from Black and White in Season 1 to color in Seasons 2 and 3, and back to Black and White in Season 4 when it went from NBC to CBS. The did a very meta episode for the first episode of Season 4 where the show within the show has been cancelled and all the characters are afraid to tell him. When Joey finds out he goes off camera to cry. When the show within the show is picked up by CBS all are happy until they realize it will air 9:30 PM Sundays against Bonanza and they all start to cry again. That, of course, is when the 4th and final season aired initially.

  52. Harry-N

    After a short time on Sunday, CBS moved Joey to Tuesday night – and all along had an idea of making it similar to the successful DICK VAN DYKE SHOW.

    And ironically, Joey ended in 1965 in the same time slot — Tuesdays at 8:00 EST — where Dick started in 1961.

  53. For decades, this show held the record as the scripted and filmed series with the most episode to never be put into syndication, with 123 episodes. Actually, it has only aired on cable networks, like TV Land, Retro and Antenna, AFAIK, so it still probably is the record holder. I always wondered why they never did anything with the show when there were so many episodes.

  54. I suspect that it was the changes that the show went through that prevented it from doing well in syndication. First he's a single, home-bound individual with a mom and siblings, next he's a TV show host. Some seasons are color, some are black & while. Characters came and went without explanation.

    In the changeability factor, it's similar to THE DORIS DAY SHOW, which also never burned up the syndication circuit.

  55. Neil Brock

    In Cybill Shepherd's book, she talks about working in dinner theater with Bishop and how he would get close to her and whisper, "fuck you" to her to try to get her to screw up her lines and look bad. Nice guy.

    Did Cybil say "to try to get her to screw up her lines and look bad" or you, because honestly, how many times have i heard actors telling stories about these same things, both male and female, including people working with Ms. Shepherd! Performers are crazy people. Or should I say complicated?

  56. mark-edk

    I've watched all of seasons 2-4 and agree that when the show went to CBS it changed, not for the better IMHO. Most notably, there was nothing of the 'Joey Barnes Show' at all: no segments like Joey and the LA Dodgers, or Joey with Andy Williams etc. The focus drifted away from show biz angles and with the importing of people like Rusty it became more like a family sitcom. It didn't help that Rusty disappeared without a word of explanation; at least Larry's fiancé was given a two-sentence explanation for her vanishing act. Hilda and Jillson were softened up too, but on the whole the series was still enjoyable and occasionally hit some high notes. The actual footage of Joey at the hospital where Abby Dalton's daughter was born was one of the show's memorable moments.
    PS: Both seasons three and four had early shows that were held back til the end of the run (in the case of season three the opening episode) where they were chronologically out of place. I forget which season had the show where they thought about going on a second honeymoon to Lake something-or-other because they spent their first honeymoon there. Only we know they honeymooned in Vegas.

    My guess is that CBS tried to remold the show to make it more like "The Dick Van Dyke Show," from giving Abby Dalton the same flip hairdo as MTM to adding Rusty as a pseudo-Richie. It also started getting sentimental ("Jillson's Toupee" is maybe the series' all-time worst episode) and stopped existing in the real world (no mention of other real-life entertainers unless they were actually guesting on the show). But the most telling reason was the departure of James V. Kern, who directed the 2nd and 3rd seasons. He did the show almost as if it were live, with the cast constantly ad-libbing and cracking up, and with very little re-shooting (for close-ups, e.g.). The 4th season, done by others (mostly Mel Ferber), was done as a standard sitcom–there were clearly multiple takes and lots of coverage (Dalton in particular was no longer seen breaking); indeed, the episode in which Oscar Levant guested really felt like he was in restraints. It truly choked much of the juice out of a show that had been like the Wild West the previous years, though now and then there were still excellent moments.

    Mike S.

  57. Harry-N

    I suspect that it was the changes that the show went through that prevented it from doing well in syndication. First he's a single, home-bound individual with a mom and siblings, next he's a TV show host. Some seasons are color, some are black & while. Characters came and went without explanation.

    In the changeability factor, it's similar to THE DORIS DAY SHOW, which also never burned up the syndication circuit.

    The comparison to “Doris Day” is a good one. Massive changes in format generally hurt syndication. See “Valerie/Valerie’s Family/The Hogan Family” for another example.

  58. sjbradford

    The comparison to “Doris Day” is a good one. Massive changes in format generally hurt syndication. See “Valerie/Valerie’s Family/The Hogan Family” for another example.

    There was really only one significant format change, which came after the first season, which IMO was the best. After that, it became a poor man's Danny Thomas Show.

  59. There are good episodes in each of the four seasons, but overall I prefer the color seasons (2 & 3) over the black and white seasons (1 & 4). Season 1 has five color episodes. The 4th season episode "Jillson's Toupee" was mentioned, I don't think this is a bad episode, it's not the best but it's alright. Episodes that focus on Joe Besser are usually pretty good. The 2nd season episode "Jillson And The Cinnamon Buns" is very funny. One episode I don't really care for is the 1st season episode with Jack Parr, to me this is a weak episode.

    Guy Marks or Corbett Monica, I prefer Corbett Monica. I think Corbett Monica was much better in that role and he had good acting chemistry with Joey Bishop, the two of them worked well together.

    The majority of my favorite episodes are from season 3. I wonder if there's an existing print of the 3rd season episode with Vaughn Meader locked in a vault somewhere. I'd be curious to see this episode.

  60. Lecagr

    The majority of my favorite episodes are from season 3. I wonder if there's an existing print of the 3rd season episode with Vaughn Meader locked in a vault somewhere. I'd be curious to see this episode.

    When I spoke with the late Stanley Moger from SFM about it, he had looked for it and no elements could be found. Apparently Bishop had all of the film destroyed after the assassination. Doubtful that an edited version was ever assembled so likely only the raw footage would have existed anyway.

  61. Neil Brock

    When I spoke with the late Stanley Moger from SFM about it, he had looked for it and no elements could be found. Apparently Bishop had all of the film destroyed after the assassination. Doubtful that an edited version was ever assembled so likely only the raw footage would have existed anyway.

    Yes Neil I imagine this is true. The episode will just have to be considered lost with chances being very slim to none that elements exist. The episode was filmed one week prior to the assassination. If the film was destroyed soon afterwards, it's doubtful that the raw footage was ever edited to form a 25 minute episode.

    I wonder if Abby Dalton has any memories regarding the making of the Vaughn Meader episode? Would be interesting to hear or read any comments she might have about the episode. Maybe she would remember some details about the episode like for example what the plot/story line was.

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