The Big Country (redux) — in Blu-ray

A great release from Kino, that should be in every serious collection. 4 Stars

For me, any time we have the release of a new well-produced Blu-ray of a William Wyler film, it’s a time to pause and celebrate.

And his 1958, The Big Country, is one such cause for celebration.

But we’ll up the ante.

Gregory Peck

Jean Simmons

Carrol Baker

Charlton Heston

Burl Ives

Charles Bickford

A momentous score by Jerome Moross

Cinematography in Technirama by Franz Planer

No reason to go further.

The Big Country is one of the greatest westerns ever created.

One more important point.

The de-anamorphosis problem in the original Blu-ray has been fixed. Color and density ride a bit better.

Only negative are some dissolves that don’t work properly. But that’s a tiny negative, among a world of positives.

A great release from Kino, that should be in every serious collection.

Image – 4.6

Audio – 5

Pass / Fail – Pass

Upgrade from previous Blu-ray – Absolutely!

Very Highly Recommended

RAH

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99 Comments

  1. Robert Harris

    Jean Simmons

    I'm already on record that this is usually enough to push me towards ordering a disc. But I'll take the rest of Robert's positive remarks, too.

    It's already safely in my "to watch" pile (along with this week's Seven Brides for Seven Brothers). I hope it's not sitting there too long.

  2. Jean Simmons is probably my all-time classic movie crush (edging out Teresa Wright).

    Also, FWIW, Jeff Wells has some interesting inside info from Kino as to exactly what transpired with the remaster. Turns out MGM were the ones who ultimately remastered the title at the request of Kino. Based on previous comments from Kino I was under the impression it was they who incurred the cost and did the grunt work in remastering it. Makes one wonder why MGM didn't recognize the issues with the original disc and remaster/re-issue it (given that many at the time complained about the stretching and flicker issues). Regardless, glad it's all been taken care of now and I'm excited to receive my copy.

    http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2018/06/big-country-bluray-update/#disqus_thread

  3. Mark VH

    Makes one wonder why MGM didn't recognize the issues with the original disc and remaster/re-issue it (given that many at the time complained about the stretching and flicker issues). Regardless, glad it's all been taken care of now and I'm excited to receive my copy.

    Not that I noticed that much at the time, but has it been confirmed the flicker issues are now corrected in this release?

  4. Great news that they got this one right. I'm annoyed though that almost every online retailer has this title out of stock. Clearly it's selling quicker than Kino anticipated. I'll wait till it comes back in stock. Hopefully it's soon.

  5. The Big Country is currently listed with Best Buy as "Sold Out".
    I hope that's true, rather than a reflection on none ever being in stock.
    Yes, "Sold Out" would be very encouraging new, indeed.

  6. GerardoHP

    Chuck Connors COULD act.

    If you ever have the chance to watch The Rifleman episode "Deadly Image", do so. Chuck plays both the mild-mannered Lucas McCain, and his evil lookalike, a character named Earl Bantry. Great range of acting by him in that show.

  7. JoeBond

    Great news that they got this one right. I'm annoyed though that almost every online retailer has this title out of stock. Clearly it's selling quicker than Kino anticipated. I'll wait till it comes back in stock. Hopefully it's soon.

    I'm also annoyed. I ordered from Amazon on release-day, 6/5.

    On 6/8, I received an automated message that started: We have good news! We now have delivery date(s) for your item(s) listed below.

    The quote-unquote good news was for a date-range from 6/20 through 6/27. I contacted Amazon (a random rep) to let them know that a +/- 3 week delay is most assuredly *not* "good news". I never swore, or cursed, but the rep knew I was angry. Just as the rep started to offer compensation, I hung up – because the presumably meager compensation she would have offered was never the point. The point was to get across the notion that a +/- 3 week delay from the biggest store on earth is *not* "good news".

    I think at least one rep now understands that point, but as for the rest of the company, meh.

  8. Mark VH

    Jean Simmons is probably my all-time classic movie crush (edging out Teresa Wright).

    Also, FWIW, Jeff Wells has some interesting inside info from Kino as to exactly what transpired with the remaster. Turns out MGM were the ones who ultimately remastered the title at the request of Kino. Based on previous comments from Kino I was under the impression it was they who incurred the cost and did the grunt work in remastering it. Makes one wonder why MGM didn't recognize the issues with the original disc and remaster/re-issue it (given that many at the time complained about the stretching and flicker issues). Regardless, glad it's all been taken care of now and I'm excited to receive my copy.

    http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2018/06/big-country-bluray-update/#disqus_thread

    Please excuse my ignorance up front, but curious what the cost difference is between a remaster, and a restoration (i.e. The Alamo). Again, I'm ignorant on the topic and wondering if the cost difference is that wide a gulf?

  9. Bob Cashill

    CineSavant says yes: https://trailersfromhell.com/the-big-country/

    Glad to hear that it looks like according to that review that the flicker issue was also fixed. I am slightly perturbed/questioning regarding the whole dissolve issue RAH mentions as I saw that mentioned on another forum also where someone said they noticed like 6 quick cuts or something that didn't seem right. But it sounds like even if that's the case that overall this is a big improvement from the previous blu, so I'm willing to bite.

  10. Even the VHS had those jump cuts. I noticed similar shots (or cuts) in Ben-Hur as well. Maybe it was a stylistic option at the time or just cutting between the real actors and stunt men within the same punch attempt.

  11. I can't wait to see my copy of "The Big Country". And, of these past few months, I've stepped away from splitting hairs over certain recently released BD's that may not be perfect, perfect, perfect. My sense is that such perfections are either cost prohibitive for every blessed title under the sun; or that every effort was made within the case by case scenarios of the elements or transfers provided. Sure, there's a couple titles that may have slipped through the cracks from all of the studios/distributors; but those that do most certainly get addressed by the insiders and the powers that be. "The Big Country" is clearly a success. The arch of all the reviews; be it critic or consumer; reports great improvements. And that's a very good thing.

    The more I learn about the entire process of restoration, transfers, needed funding, licensing agreements, races against the clock concerning vinegar syndrome, full-coats, no-coats, any coat…well…its just simply amazing that we have anything at all; let alone a multitude of newly announced offerings on each and every month. Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that quality control can now take a holiday. It can not. But, at the same time, it's sure been nice just kicking back and enjoying any and all improvements as they come; even if they fall a hair or two away from gaining a perfect score of "5" or an "A+" or even a "Must Own". All improvements has its own perfections. And that is the direction that we should always applaud.

    In short, as those summer sales approach, I will not be lacking titles from which to select; therefore, the releases of Kino Lorber's "The Big Country" and Warner Archives "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" are efforts that together warranted my immediate purchase and support. And of those HTF posters who have already enjoyed either or both, I'm looking forward to catching up and contributing to their discussions.

  12. In the continuing saga of the mythical stereo mix of the film, I researched the liner notes of the LaserDisc via Google. It revealed the score (at least) was recorded in true stereo but there is no record of the film being issued in stereo. Joe Caps has so far proven us wrong.

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

  13. deepscan

    In the continuing saga of the mythical stereo mix of the film, I researched the liner notes of the LaserDisc via Google. It revealed the score (at least) was recorded in true stereo but there is no record of the film being issued in stereo. Joe Caps has so far proven us wrong.

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

    If its mythical, then why create what was never there? Now, unless I've missed some posts along the way, I left off on the understanding that such searches have now been exhausted. Anyone, please correct or update me if I'm wrong.

  14. deepscan

    In the continuing saga of the mythical stereo mix of the film, I researched the liner notes of the LaserDisc via Google. It revealed the score (at least) was recorded in true stereo but there is no record of the film being issued in stereo. Joe Caps has so far proven us wrong.

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

    If its mythical, then why create what was never there? Now, unless I've missed some posts along the way, I left off on the understanding that such searches have now been exhausted. Anyone, please correct or update me if I'm wrong.

  15. deepscan

    In the continuing saga of the mythical stereo mix of the film, I researched the liner notes of the LaserDisc via Google. It revealed the score (at least) was recorded in true stereo but there is no record of the film being issued in stereo. Joe Caps has so far proven us wrong.

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

    So you researched the liner notes for the laser disc – who wrote them? Why do you assume they're accurate? I searched and other than the little blurb on the back of the special edition laserdisc from Image produced by my old pal Sergio Leeman, I see nothing about stereo music or anything else for that matter. Perhaps a link to the notes you speak of would be helpful.

  16. deepscan

    In the continuing saga of the mythical stereo mix of the film, I researched the liner notes of the LaserDisc via Google. It revealed the score (at least) was recorded in true stereo but there is no record of the film being issued in stereo. Joe Caps has so far proven us wrong.

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

    So you researched the liner notes for the laser disc – who wrote them? Why do you assume they're accurate? I searched and other than the little blurb on the back of the special edition laserdisc from Image produced by my old pal Sergio Leeman, I see nothing about stereo music or anything else for that matter. Perhaps a link to the notes you speak of would be helpful.

  17. This is from Glenn Erickson's review (emphasis mine):

    "I could be wrong, but at MGM I was told that the sound mix on The Big Country was always monaural. Plans to release the original score in stereophonic sound were nixed for reasons unknown. Don't be deterred, as the movie's soundtrack as represented on this DTS-HD Master Audio track is really, really dynamic, clear and subtle. It's a terrific original mix."

  18. This is from Glenn Erickson's review (emphasis mine):

    "I could be wrong, but at MGM I was told that the sound mix on The Big Country was always monaural. Plans to release the original score in stereophonic sound were nixed for reasons unknown. Don't be deterred, as the movie's soundtrack as represented on this DTS-HD Master Audio track is really, really dynamic, clear and subtle. It's a terrific original mix."

  19. It never ceases to amaze me how we (the generic we) demand or wish certain titles over the years and when we finally get them in the best possible shape, the carping begins: it's taken from 35 mm elements rather than the 70mm negative (so what if the 35 mm yielded a better transfer than the 70mm), it's not in stereo (so what if it was never released in stereo), the dance steps are off (so what if you have to close your eyes to hear them), Marilyn Monroe's dress should be magenta rather than fuchsia (forget about the plot, it's her clothes that are important) etc.

    I'm still waiting for someone to swear that in 1967 he saw the roadshow Gone With The Wind in 70 millimeter and six track stereophonic sound so why are we getting a full frame and fake stereo blu ray? 🙂

  20. It never ceases to amaze me how we (the generic we) demand or wish certain titles over the years and when we finally get them in the best possible shape, the carping begins: it's taken from 35 mm elements rather than the 70mm negative (so what if the 35 mm yielded a better transfer than the 70mm), it's not in stereo (so what if it was never released in stereo), the dance steps are off (so what if you have to close your eyes to hear them), Marilyn Monroe's dress should be magenta rather than fuchsia (forget about the plot, it's her clothes that are important) etc.

    I'm still waiting for someone to swear that in 1967 he saw the roadshow Gone With The Wind in 70 millimeter and six track stereophonic sound so why are we getting a full frame and fake stereo blu ray? 🙂

  21. It never ceases to amaze me how we (the generic we) demand or wish certain titles over the years and when we finally get them in the best possible shape, the carping begins: it's taken from 35 mm elements rather than the 70mm negative (so what if the 35 mm yielded a better transfer than the 70mm), it's not in stereo (so what if it was never released in stereo), the dance steps are off (so what if you have to close your eyes to hear them), Marilyn Monroe's dress should be magenta rather than fuchsia (forget about the plot, it's her clothes that are important) etc.

    I'm still waiting for someone to swear that in 1967 he saw the roadshow Gone With The Wind in 70 millimeter and six track stereophonic sound so why are we getting a full frame and fake stereo blu ray? 🙂

  22. It never ceases to amaze me how we (the generic we) demand or wish certain titles over the years and when we finally get them in the best possible shape, the carping begins: it's taken from 35 mm elements rather than the 70mm negative (so what if the 35 mm yielded a better transfer than the 70mm), it's not in stereo (so what if it was never released in stereo), the dance steps are off (so what if you have to close your eyes to hear them), Marilyn Monroe's dress should be magenta rather than fuchsia (forget about the plot, it's her clothes that are important) etc.

    I'm still waiting for someone to swear that in 1967 he saw the roadshow Gone With The Wind in 70 millimeter and six track stereophonic sound so why are we getting a full frame and fake stereo blu ray? 🙂

  23. deepscan

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

    Think about what studio you're speaking of for a second.

  24. deepscan

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

    Think about what studio you're speaking of for a second.

  25. deepscan

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

    Think about what studio you're speaking of for a second.

  26. deepscan

    I still have yet to see the new Kino blu ray, but I can tell you MGM could have used DES stereo technology to create (or recreate) that mythical stereo mix in 5.1.

    Think about what studio you're speaking of for a second.

  27. Thomas T

    I'm still waiting for someone to swear that in 1967 he saw the roadshow Gone With The Wind in 70 millimeter and six track stereophonic sound so why are we getting a full frame and fake stereo blu ray? 🙂

    I'm suddenly reminded of that one guy who claimed he saw the 1989 Batman in an Open Matte format originally and demanded Warner remaster it in 1.33.

    …which makes no sense since all the prints I've seen online are hard matted to 1.85.

  28. Finances being somewhat tight, I tend not to 'upgrade' existing blu-rays and I was pretty happy (despite the problems) with the original release; but these glowing recommendations are going to make me reconsider that proposition in this particular case.

    Being one of my favorite Westerns makes that decision easier as well.

    – Walter.

  29. United Artists issued a 'stereo' LP of the soundtrack, but it was phony stereo – mono rechanneled to simulate stereo (and sounded awful to boot). Doesn't seem likely they would've issued a mono LP if the score had been recorded in stereo, but don't see why they would.

  30. deepscan

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Big-Co…992786?hash=item41e3755912:g:GP4AAOSw9sZa6Ac6

    Click on the link above, then glance through the photos, and bring up full screen the liner notes that talk about the sound mix on the film. That’s where I researched it.

    How in the heck could you read that. That was the blurriest thing I have ever seen

    I’m not saying you are not thuthful in what you reported, but I couldn’t barely read a thing. I guess I’ll have to pull mu laser disc out this weekend and read it.

  31. Walter Kittel

    Finances being somewhat tight, I tend not to 'upgrade' existing blu-rays and I was pretty happy (despite the problems) with the original release; but these glowing recommendations are going to make me reconsider that proposition in this particular case.

    Being one of my favorite Westerns makes that decision easier as well.

    – Walter.

    Walter,

    I think Kino is going to have a sale very soon so you might be able to pick this up cheaply.

  32. mark-edk

    United Artists issued a 'stereo' LP of the soundtrack, but it was phony stereo – mono rechanneled to simulate stereo (and sounded awful to boot). Doesn't seem likely they would've issued a mono LP if the score had been recorded in stereo, but don't see why they would.

    The La La Land cd is also in mono as far as I can tell.

  33. Walter Kittel

    Finances being somewhat tight, I tend not to 'upgrade' existing blu-rays and I was pretty happy (despite the problems) with the original release; but these glowing recommendations are going to make me reconsider that proposition in this particular case.

    Being one of my favorite Westerns makes that decision easier as well.

    – Walter.

    Walter,

    This release is now $13.48 on Kino's site.

  34. Thomas T

    […]

    I'm still waiting for someone to swear that in 1967 he saw the roadshow Gone With The Wind in 70 millimeter and six track stereophonic sound so why are we getting a full frame and fake stereo blu ray? 🙂

    As the re-release poster of "The Sound of Music" had stated, "The wait is over". And yes, Thomas T, your wait is over, as well. I, PMF, at the age of 7 had attended that very "Gone With The Wind" you speak of. The poster boasted such wonders as 70mm and stereophonic sound; and it was shown in our local theater. A theater, mind you, that was never equipped to run either 70 or six track. But the poster said what it said; and I believed.

  35. Robert Harris

    I don’t know, but I got my info from one of the producers, who told me he recalled it being mono.

    But what does he know.

    I believe he also spent some time on set.

    Doing what, one can’t be certain.

    I will never forget those referencing tributes made to Gregory Peck in "Dog Day Afternoon", when Sonny stirred up the sidewalk crowds by shouting "Atticus, Atticus, Atticus !!!";)

  36. PMF

    at the age of 7 had attended that very "Gone With The Wind" you speak of. The poster boasted such wonders as 70mm and stereophonic sound; and it was shown in our local theater. A theater, mind you, that was never equipped to run either 70 or six track. But the poster said what it said; and I believed

    I'm reminded of a friend looking at a poster of Fox's Prince Valiant which declared "You see it without glasses in CinemaScope." He said it was false advertising as without his glasses he couldn't see it. I told him he could see it without his glasses, it would be blurry but he could see it. He said I should have been a lawyer! 🙂

  37. PMF

    As the re-release poster of "The Sound of Music" had stated, "The wait is over". And yes, Thomas T, your wait is over, as well. I, PMF, at the age of 7 had attended that very "Gone With The Wind" you speak of. The poster boasted such wonders as 70mm and stereophonic sound; and it was shown in our local theater. A theater, mind you, that was never equipped to run either 70 or six track. But the poster said what it said; and I believed.

    I saw GWTW in 70mm at Madison theater Detroit in 67

  38. These posts brought back memories. I saw the 70mm GONE WITH THE WIND at DC's Uptown on its curved Cinerama screen. At one reel change, the sound level dropped to almost unlistenable levels. The projectionist ramped up the sound level, which added an incredible amount of hiss. I thought the mag stripe had been degraded somehow until the shot with the sundial and its "do not squander time" engraving appeared. The lettering was backward! Before then, I never knew that a sound head could read a mag stripe (poorly) THROUGH the film. One of only two times in my decades of filmgoing at the Uptown when there was a projection goof.

    To get this thread back on track, I was waffling on getting THE BIG COUNTRY Blu-Ray, but the rave reviews and the Kino sale have convinced me.

  39. deepscan

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Big-Co…992786?hash=item41e3755912:g:GP4AAOSw9sZa6Ac6

    Click on the link above, then glance through the photos, and bring up full screen the liner notes that talk about the sound mix on the film. That’s where I researched it.

    As Mr. Hollis said, no one could possibly read what you sent, so how could you? I'm trying to read and see who wrote these notes – can't do either.

  40. PMF

    No flicker.
    No stretching.
    Better color.
    Better density.
    And Jean Simmons, too.

    What's not to love?

    $13.48 is a down-right steal.

    Don't forget to mention the $8 shipping charge, which brings the total cost to $21.48. Not exactly a steal IMO. Amazon has it for $19.97 shipped free if you're a Prime member, but since it's OOS it doesn't matter.

  41. Thomas T

    It never ceases to amaze me how we (the generic we) demand or wish certain titles over the years and when we finally get them in the best possible shape, the carping begins: it's taken from 35 mm elements rather than the 70mm negative (so what if the 35 mm yielded a better transfer than the 70mm), it's not in stereo (so what if it was never released in stereo), the dance steps are off (so what if you have to close your eyes to hear them), Marilyn Monroe's dress should be magenta rather than fuchsia (forget about the plot, it's her clothes that are important) etc.

    I'm still waiting for someone to swear that in 1967 he saw the roadshow Gone With The Wind in 70 millimeter and six track stereophonic sound so why are we getting a full frame and fake stereo blu ray? 🙂

    When IMDB still had their message board somebody sort of tried to make that argument about Gone With The Wind and complained when the Blu Ray came out in 2009 that after all this time it is still in full frame pan and scan mode. When will we get finally get a wide screen version of Gone With The Wind. A bunch of us had to give the poster a history of aspect ratios. No wonder the IMDB message board for shut down.

  42. Thomas T

    It never ceases to amaze me how we (the generic we) demand or wish certain titles over the years and when we finally get them in the best possible shape, the carping begins: it's taken from 35 mm elements rather than the 70mm negative (so what if the 35 mm yielded a better transfer than the 70mm), it's not in stereo (so what if it was never released in stereo), the dance steps are off (so what if you have to close your eyes to hear them), Marilyn Monroe's dress should be magenta rather than fuchsia (forget about the plot, it's her clothes that are important) etc.

    I'm still waiting for someone to swear that in 1967 he saw the roadshow Gone With The Wind in 70 millimeter and six track stereophonic sound so why are we getting a full frame and fake stereo blu ray? 🙂

    When IMDB still had their message board somebody sort of tried to make that argument about Gone With The Wind and complained when the Blu Ray came out in 2009 that after all this time it is still in full frame pan and scan mode. When will we get finally get a wide screen version of Gone With The Wind. A bunch of us had to give the poster a history of aspect ratios. No wonder the IMDB message board for shut down.

  43. dpippel

    Don't forget to mention the $8 shipping charge, which brings the total cost to $21.48. Not exactly a steal IMO. Amazon has it for $19.97 shipped free if you're a Prime member, but since it's OOS it doesn't matter.

    Agreed. I cancelled my Amazon order (1-2 months delivery) and bought it from Kino. I couldn't find enough stuff I wanted in their sale, so I just ordered it as a single item.

  44. dpippel

    Don't forget to mention the $8 shipping charge, which brings the total cost to $21.48. Not exactly a steal IMO. Amazon has it for $19.97 shipped free if you're a Prime member, but since it's OOS it doesn't matter.

    Agreed. I cancelled my Amazon order (1-2 months delivery) and bought it from Kino. I couldn't find enough stuff I wanted in their sale, so I just ordered it as a single item.

  45. dpippel

    Don't forget to mention the $8 shipping charge, which brings the total cost to $21.48. Not exactly a steal IMO. Amazon has it for $19.97 shipped free if you're a Prime member, but since it's OOS it doesn't matter.

    I am so glad I didn't pre order it from Amazon. They have burned me on new releases, especially ones that are released by Kino Lorber. Why do they have it up for pre order and day of release it's "Temporarily out of stock". Don't they order enough or do they order based on how many are preordered? Like if they only get 100 preorders they aren't going to stock it. As of right now, it says "ships in 1 to 2 months". I ordered mine from Zia's Record Exchange by me and should be here in a few days.

  46. dpippel

    Don't forget to mention the $8 shipping charge, which brings the total cost to $21.48. Not exactly a steal IMO. Amazon has it for $19.97 shipped free if you're a Prime member, but since it's OOS it doesn't matter.

    I am so glad I didn't pre order it from Amazon. They have burned me on new releases, especially ones that are released by Kino Lorber. Why do they have it up for pre order and day of release it's "Temporarily out of stock". Don't they order enough or do they order based on how many are preordered? Like if they only get 100 preorders they aren't going to stock it. As of right now, it says "ships in 1 to 2 months". I ordered mine from Zia's Record Exchange by me and should be here in a few days.

  47. Brian Husar

    I am so glad I didn't pre order it from Amazon. They have burned me on new releases, especially ones that are released by Kino Lorber. Why do they have it up for pre order and day of release it's "Temporarily out of stock". Don't they order enough or do they order based on how many are preordered? Like if they only get 100 preorders they aren't going to stock it. As of right now, it says "ships in 1 to 2 months". I ordered mine from Zia's Record Exchange by me and should be here in a few days.

    Amazon can't predict which titles HTF is going to create buzz over. It's HTFers who are buying them all up on release day! 😀

  48. dpippel

    Don't forget to mention the $8 shipping charge, which brings the total cost to $21.48. Not exactly a steal IMO. Amazon has it for $19.97 shipped free if you're a Prime member, but since it's OOS it doesn't matter.

    Kino is having a major sale until the 26th.
    I believe your shipping will be free, if you order comes to 50 bucks, or more.
    Now, that IS a steal…that is, if you want it to be.:cool:

  49. dpippel

    Very true, unless The Big Country is the only title you're interested in. 😉

    C'mon, man, you're a member of HTF. It's very doubtful that this would be the one and only title of interest; that is, unless, you own everything from Kino Lorber, already. It's a killer sale, Mr. dpippel.

  50. PMF

    C'mon, man, you're a member of HTF. It's very doubtful that this would be the one and only title of interest; that is, unless, you own everything from Kino Lorber, already. It's a killer sale, Mr. dpippel.

    Even so, some of us are on fixed incomes so we need to accommodate that extra $50 into their monthly budget.

  51. Robert Crawford

    Even so, some of us are on fixed incomes so we need to accommodate that extra $50 into their monthly budget.

    Wasn't Kino Lorber suppose to release Scorsese's Kundun this year? I remember Digital Bits listed it at the start of this year.

  52. PMF

    C'mon, man, you're a member of HTF. It's very doubtful that this would be the one and only title of interest; that is, unless, you own everything from Kino Lorber, already. It's a killer sale, Mr. dpippel.

    As Robert pointed out, some of us are on budgets.

  53. dpippel

    As Robert pointed out, some of us are on budgets.

    And some took part in the previous sale just a month or so ago. I managed to select enough to get the free shipping that time, but not this time. Now if "Woman in the Window" had been released and on sale, I might have just squeezed by.

  54. skylark68

    ….and one of their esteemed competitors has a sale going on at the same time…. 🙂

    Decisions, decisions…

    Nah, it's easy, just do what I did, and take advantage of both! 😉

    the Big Country is now mine.

    Definitely not easy on the pocketbook, but these bargains are too good to pass up, at least for me. The problem is I'm now hitting the money that I earmarked for the B&N Criterion sale.

  55. I just watched it again with the audio commentary. The commentary was good, but Christopher Frayling thought Chuck Connors was the only son of Burl Ives in the film or was confused about which characters were sons of Rufus Hannassey. Chuck Hayward and Jim Burk, who played in many John Wayne films also played sons of Rufus Hannassey/Burl Ives. All four of those characters that roughed up Gregory Peck in the film's beginning were brothers. Now, there might have been some confusion if old Rufus had any other sons, but those four were without a doubt.:) This film really had some of the best stuntmen in the business including Chuck Roberson and Bob Morgan along with Hayward and Burk.

    Anybody else confuse about Rufus Hannassey's sons?

  56. Robert Crawford

    Even so, some of us are on fixed incomes so we need to accommodate that extra $50 into their monthly budget.

    This appears to be selling for $20.00 on Amazon…the details list Kino, and the description includes all the features of the redux, plus it shows the Kino cover art. Error?

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C5K53YD/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

    It does, however say that it's one disc. I don't see how all those special features could fit to a single disc. I have no idea of whom to inquire, as it is not a third party seller.

  57. Dick

    This appears to be selling for $20.00 on Amazon…the details list Kino, and the description includes all the features of the redux, plus it shows the Kino cover art. Error?

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C5K53YD/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

    It does, however say that it's one disc. I don't see how all those special features could fit to a single disc. I have no idea of whom to inquire, as it is not a third party seller.

    It’s a single disc release

  58. Dick

    This appears to be selling for $20.00 on Amazon…the details list Kino, and the description includes all the features of the redux, plus it shows the Kino cover art. Error?

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C5K53YD/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

    It does, however say that it's one disc. I don't see how all those special features could fit to a single disc. I have no idea of whom to inquire, as it is not a third party seller.

    The bonus material adds up to about 136 minutes with a good portion of it being in 480. There is an audio commentary too, but even so with the movie being 167 minutes I see no issues being on one disc.

  59. Dick

    It does, however say that it's one disc. I don't see how all those special features could fit to a single disc. I have no idea of whom to inquire, as it is not a third party seller.

    As others said, it is a single disc. Originally the word seemed to be that it was going to be a 2-disc. As to how they can do it on single disc – the answer is simple: they lowered the bitrate of the main feature. The old MGM blu-ray used roughly 43GB for the film itself and had a respectable video bitrate of almost 32mbps. The Kino disc with the feature has 43GB of content but the film itself only takes up ~32GB while the bonus content is about ~11GB. The video bitrate of the film is about 24mbps. But just because the Kino has a lesser bitrate doesn't mean it doesn't look better overall due to the further remastering work. Personally with longer films like these tho, I'd rather see them as 2-discs where 1 disc has the bonus features and 1 is devoted to the film.

  60. PMF

    C'mon, man, you're a member of HTF. It's very doubtful that this would be the one and only title of interest; that is, unless, you own everything from Kino Lorber, already. It's a killer sale, Mr. dpippel.

    Robert Crawford

    Even so, some of us are on fixed incomes so we need to accommodate that extra $50 into their monthly budget.

    dpippel

    As Robert pointed out, some of us are on budgets.

    I'm in the very same boat. I was just pointing out the sale and the price point of where the free shipping comes into play, as another option. My post was written with self-deprecation and a hint of the ironic; for sadly, even I can't touch the sale. But, as sales go, it's a damned good one.

  61. skylark68

    ….and one of their esteemed competitors has a sale going on at the same time…. 🙂

    Decisions, decisions…

    My Wish-List has changed. No longer am I listing my hopeful titles. Instead, my Wish-List is simply a hope that each and every competitor would stagger their sales so we wouldn't have to make such choices. Criterion on one month; WAC at the next; TT thereafter and Kino before or after. Heck, even The Beatles and The Rolling Stones conferred with each other on their album release dates in order to not cancel or wipe each other out.

  62. PMF

    My Wish-List has changed. No longer am I listing my hopeful titles. Instead, my Wish-List is simply a hope that each and every competitor would stagger their sales so we wouldn't have to make such choices. Criterion on one month; WAC at the next; TT thereafter and Kino before or after. Heck, even The Beatles and The Rolling Stones conferred with each other on their album release dates in order to not cancel or wipe each other out.

    I'm not sure how that would help. If these companies continue to put out the same number of titles as they have been, but one a bi- or tri-monthly basis, you're going to have the same issue with making choices. It would simply mean each would give us 8-12 titles each announcement, and we would have to wait longer to get films from particular studios. Then, of course, there's Kino. Very few of us can keep up with their releases, as they have about as many new announcements on a weekly basis! (Not a criticism, as only about one or two out of ten appeal to me).

    Regards to The Rolling Stones and The Beatles, they needn't have bothered — fans of either or both bands were going to grab every new album no matter what, even if a week or two later had they not been staggered.

  63. I may be too anal about this, but I divide new releases that attract my interest into three camps: 1) day one purchases, 2) purchase when the disc goes on sale, and 3) stream, rent, or somehow view the movie first before buying. TCM helps me with the latter, since they seem to feature films recently released by the Warner Archive.

  64. Great news to hear Mr. Harris confirm that The Big Country is now in a corrected edition. The earlier blu-ray was certainly watchable, but . . . I have always felt that the 1950's was the greatest decade for the Western – and this is one of the best. Plus, I have an eternal crush on Miss Jean Simmons.

  65. Brian Husar

    Finally received my copy. Beautiful. Glad this came out right. Now if we can get some more Wyler on blu, how about The Heiress? Long overdue.

    Full agreement on that. We want The Heiress!

  66. I was able to sit down and watch The Big Country yesterday morning. What a presentation! It looks simply marvelous. One of my favorite westerns for sure. I'd forgotten how much Burl Ives' performance pretty much dominates every scene he's in. And yes, then there's Jean Simmons… 🙂

  67. dpippel

    I was able to sit down and watch The Big Country yesterday morning. What a presentation! It looks simply marvelous. One of my favorite westerns for sure. I'd forgotten how much Burl Ives' performance pretty much dominates every scene he's in. And yes, then there's Jean Simmons… 🙂

    Ah ha, so you managed to get it. Congrats.

  68. If only Kino let overseas customers share in their sales!
    I know, I know … copyright issues … but how frustrating when the so-called foreign copyright holders show no interest at all in releasing on Blu ray! And now, to compound the issue, Amazon is about to ban Australian buyers from its site. Soon it will be impossible for us to order any Region 1 releases. And people wonder why there's so much illegal downloading . soon it will be the only option open! Very frustrating, since I want to purchase legal copies only, and not rely on dodgy downloads.

  69. AnthonyClarke

    If only Kino let overseas customers share in their sales!
    I know, I know … copyright issues … but how frustrating when the so-called foreign copyright holders show no interest at all in releasing on Blu ray! And now, to compound the issue, Amazon is about to ban Australian buyers from its site. Soon it will be impossible for us to order any Region 1 releases. And people wonder why there's so much illegal downloading . soon it will be the only option open! Very frustrating, since I want to purchase legal copies only, and not rely on dodgy downloads.

    https://www.deepdiscount.com/big-country-1958-the-big-country/738329214708

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  70. Watched KL's release of TBC yesterday. Had never seen the movie before and thought it was marvelous. The story kept me interested the whole running time, the cinematography was beautiful and loved the soundtrack/score. The acting was great allround, but Burl Ives brought something really special imo. KL's blu-ray looked breathtakingly beautiful (95% of the time) and sounded great, as has been mentioned. Extras were very interesting. Wonderful package from KL. Needs to be in every serious collection.

  71. AnthonyClarke

    If only Kino let overseas customers share in their sales!
    I know, I know … copyright issues … but how frustrating when the so-called foreign copyright holders show no interest at all in releasing on Blu ray! And now, to compound the issue, Amazon is about to ban Australian buyers from its site. Soon it will be impossible for us to order any Region 1 releases. And people wonder why there's so much illegal downloading . soon it will be the only option open! Very frustrating, since I want to purchase legal copies only, and not rely on dodgy downloads.

    Not even living in Australia, I can empathize. Is it known why Amazon is doing this?

  72. AnthonyClarke

    If only Kino let overseas customers share in their sales!
    I know, I know … copyright issues … but how frustrating when the so-called foreign copyright holders show no interest at all in releasing on Blu ray! And now, to compound the issue, Amazon is about to ban Australian buyers from its site. Soon it will be impossible for us to order any Region 1 releases. And people wonder why there's so much illegal downloading . soon it will be the only option open! Very frustrating, since I want to purchase legal copies only, and not rely on dodgy downloads.

    Try amazon.ca. It is, of course, more expensive, but most of the selection is the same.

  73. Matt Hough

    Full agreement on that. We want The Heiress!

    THE HEIRESS, a pre-1950 Paramount film, is owned by Universal Television, so Kino wouldn’t handle that one. Probably either in house or Criterion.

  74. deepscan

    THE HEIRESS, a pre-1950 Paramount film, is owned by Universal Television, so Kino wouldn’t handle that one. Probably either in house or Criterion.

    Yeah, I can't see Universal releasing it since its appeal is limited. Definitely a boutique label title. Too bad Shout Factory (which is releasing a lot of Universal titles) only releases genre (horror/sci-fi/action) type product or they might take a chance on it.

  75. Thomas T

    Yeah, I can't see Universal releasing it since its appeal is limited. Definitely a boutique label title. Too bad Shout Factory (which is releasing a lot of Universal titles) only releases genre (horror/sci-fi/action) type product or they might take a chance on it.

    I can't understand why a film of quality – such as "The Heiress" – would have limited appeal.
    But, then again, I can't understand why many would refuse to watch a black and white film.
    I scratch my head over stuff like this, because the general populace still listens to "The Oldies", watches re-runs of "I Love Lucy" and read the works of authors from earlier generations; while others will admire old antique cars and recipes that have been passed down.
    Any guesses as to why it all stops at the movies?

  76. PMF

    I can't understand why a film of quality would have limited appeal.
    But, then again, I can't understand why many refuse to watch a black and white film.
    I scratch my head over stuff like this, because the general populace still listens to "The Oldies", watches re-runs of "I Love Lucy" and read the works of authors from earlier generations; while others will admire old antique cars and recipes that have been passed down.
    Any guesses as to why it all stops at the movies?

    I wish I had insight into this. I once had a friend who not only refused to watch older movies, he'd even refuse to watch new movies set in a historical time period, which he defined as anything pre-1990 (his teenage years). His only explanation for this was that he didn't like "old-fashioned" things.

    Boggles the mind…

  77. PMF

    I can't understand why a film of quality – such as "The Heiress" – would have limited appeal…

    You have to be somewhat knowledgeable about film history to have even heard about a film like that, let alone seen it. And these days, there is far more filmed entertainment produced than at anytime in history, much more than any person could possibly watch even if that's all they did. And aside from TCM, there's not much of an outlet to expose people to older films.

  78. For those interested in "The Heiress", the 2007 DVD from Universal is still available at retailers like Amazon and Deep Discount for less than $10.00. Great film with excellent acting performances from Olivia de Havilland, Montgomery Clift and Ralph Richardson. It's been about ten years since my last viewing so I'm going to cue this DVD up again. God, I've always loved the ending of this film.

  79. Robert Crawford

    For those interested in "The Heiress", the 2007 DVD from Universal is still available at retailers like Amazon and Deep Discount for less than $10.00. Great film with excellent acting performances from Olivia de Havilland, Montgomery Clift and Ralph Richardson. It's been about ten years since my last viewing so I'm going to cue this DVD up again. God, I've always loved the ending of this film.

    I do have that one. Does the job until they decide on a Blu Ray

  80. PMF

    Not even living in Australia, I can empathize. Is it known why Amazon is doing this?

    It's because the Australian Government has chosen to impose it's 10% GST (like VAT) on any imported items coming into the country, starting this month. Amazon has ostensibly chosen to block Australian's from ordering from the US in protest – I think they've argued that the overheads for them are prohibitive. However, they probably find it a convenient time to direct buyers to Amazon.au (which has nothing like the range of products available from the bigger overseas Amazon stores).
    For us Australians, we can only hope that we are not locked out of other global online stores.

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