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Looking forward to this, but I hope it fixes the flickering issues! I just watched the old blu the other night and while I personally have never noticed any significant stretching issues (if there is one, it can't be THAT huge of an issue), the flickering in several of the scenes drove me nuts! I've heard lots of complaining about the stretching issues, but little to no talk about the flickering. I hope this new remaster solves that too.
 
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Kino was going to release this in 2017 and assembled a bunch of extras for it. Then they discovered the master they licensed was stretched and decided they had to remaster it to fix. That's why the delay. So, yes, the stretching should be gone.

FWIW, on another forum, the Kino rep commented (in 2017) that they sort of regretted licensing the film. Had it not been for time and money they put into the extras, they would have thrown in the towel when they discovered the stretching.

I anticipate double-dipping on this title, if only to support Kino's efforts.

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Looking forward to this, but I hope it fixes the flickering issues! I just watched the old blu the other night and while I personally have never noticed any significant stretching issues (if there is one, it can't be THAT huge of an issue), the flickering in several of the scenes drove me nuts! I've heard lots of complaining about the stretching issues, but little to no talk about the flickering. I hope this new remaster solves that too.
I agree with you COMPLETELY. I think we had five or six people watch the original version on a large projector screen and no one mentioned a stretched image. The flickering bugged me a lot though. I have mentioned it before and am hoping, as with The Gunfight At The OK Corral's Blu-ray version, they have fixed this flickering brightness issue.
 

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Kino was going to release this in 2017 and assembled a bunch of extras for it. Then they discovered the master they licensed was stretched and decided they had to remaster it to fix. That's why the delay. So, yes, the stretching should be gone.
Yeah, I know they are remastering it, however my concern is that all they are worried about is the stretched image. I've watched the existing blu 3 times over the last couple of years and if it is stretched, it is a small amount that I think most people wouldn't even notice as per John's comment above. Yet if one looks at the RAH thread on the existing blu, there's lots of talk about the stretched image, but virtually nothing about the flickering which to me is the REAL problem with the existing. I'm all for Kino correcting a slight stretch issue, but if they are going to go through the trouble of remastering, I hope they've fixed the REAL glaring problem with the previous master which was the very distracting flickering in several of the scenes. If not, as much as I enjoy this movie, I'm not sure that a fix to a slight problem I never even have noticed is worth it to me to upgrade (though the special features might convince me). I did see in that Kino thread you mentioned that they said that MGM also did some other DRS work, which I hope is code for "we fixed that crazy sky flickering too". :) We'll see I guess.
 
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I watched the old MGM Blu-ray once many years ago and noticed the stretching right away. When an actor moved into the center of the picture their head width would stretch (fathead), and then correct itself when they moved back to the side of the image. It's funny what people notice as I don't remember seeing any flickering on my only viewing. Perhaps I did and just forgot about it. Anyway I like this movie and I will buy it again.
 
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There are no existing stereo tracks from what I’ve read
That seems to be the consensus here. However, I remember projectionists who told me they had projected the film in 4-track magnetic and it sounded great.

In any case, if stereo elements are available, this would certainly be worthy of a remix. The musical score is very strong and iconic, and the film was shot in Technirama, which deserves a stereo soundtrack.
 

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Yeah, I know they are remastering it, however my concern is that all they are worried about is the stretched image. I've watched the existing blu 3 times over the last couple of years and if it is stretched, it is a small amount that I think most people wouldn't even notice as per John's comment above. Yet if one looks at the RAH thread on the existing blu, there's lots of talk about the stretched image, but virtually nothing about the flickering which to me is the REAL problem with the existing. I'm all for Kino correcting a slight stretch issue, but if they are going to go through the trouble of remastering, I hope they've fixed the REAL glaring problem with the previous master which was the very distracting flickering in several of the scenes. If not, as much as I enjoy this movie, I'm not sure that a fix to a slight problem I never even have noticed is worth it to me to upgrade (though the special features might convince me). I did see in that Kino thread you mentioned that they said that MGM also did some other DRS work, which I hope is code for "we fixed that crazy sky flickering too". :) We'll see I guess.
With all due respect, I'd rather Kino not listen to the complaints of fans like us - otherwise, we'll get another debacle like The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly where they tried to please everyone, including some incredibly pedantic complaints, and ended up wasting a lot of time for nothing.
 

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MisterLime indicated that the master they licensed was in bad shape, which to me would indicate that they're aware of both the stretching as well as the flickering issue (though it's arguable that they should have done their due diligence before licensing the same crappy MGM master based on a Blu-ray.com review, a good reminder that most DVD/Blu-ray reviewers have no idea what the hell they're talking about).

I'll wait for the RAH review, but I very much want to buy this if only because Kino did the right thing and remastered the title - delaying the release a year to do so - at significant additional cost. As long as it's a) better than the old MGM DVD and b) fixes the stretching and flickering issues of the MGM Blu then I'll likely buy it even if the transfer isn't perfect.
 

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With all due respect, I'd rather Kino not listen to the complaints of fans like us - otherwise, we'll get another debacle like The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly where they tried to please everyone, including some incredibly pedantic complaints, and ended up wasting a lot of time for nothing.
Well that's a fair point to a degree in general. But the flickering that occurs is throughout most or all of the whole film to some degree and is very noticeable in some scenes (particularly the sky) and is quite noticeable (esp if you watch in the dark as I usually do with movies) and is something that should have been corrected by MGM so I don't hold your opinion that saying something to Kino about it who is undertaking a remastering is something they should just "ignore". In my 3 watches of the Blu, INCLUDING the other night even while being aware of people complaining about a stretching problem, I did not notice any significant stretching issues, but I've noticed the flickering every time. And unlike some here, I am NOT an industry-related person or a nitpicker in any way. I don't even have some tweaked out HT. I watch on <50" HDTV with no surround... Unlike RAH, I might not be the type to catch some slight stretching, but if the screen is flickering, that I can see... With that said, this is prob something that I or others should have specifically brought up last year when Kino announced they were remastering (and maybe others did - I do see that the Blu-ray.com review mentions the problem). At this juncture, it's prob just a matter of "hope they took care of it". If they didn't, I'm sure it's too late for them to fix now. We'll find out next month what's what! :) No matter what, I share Mark VH's thoughts on being grateful that they have been trying to do the right thing and fix this title and I give them kudos for that.
 

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I agree with you COMPLETELY. I think we had five or six people watch the original version on a large projector screen and no one mentioned a stretched image. The flickering bugged me a lot though. I have mentioned it before and am hoping, as with The Gunfight At The OK Corral's Blu-ray version, they have fixed this flickering brightness issue.
I'm in the same boat I never noticed any stretching but the flickering stands out like a sore thumb. I hope it is fixed with this release.
 

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That seems to be the consensus here. However, I remember projectionists who told me they had projected the film in 4-track magnetic and it sounded great.

In any case, if stereo elements are available, this would certainly be worthy of a remix. The musical score is very strong and iconic, and the film was shot in Technirama, which deserves a stereo soundtrack.
I asked Mr. Peck about the film having stereo tracks. He did not recall it as having been stereo, and was one of the producers.

One would have to check the post records, to confirm, but his memory and knowledge seemed superb, as we discussed other subjects.
 

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I also did read (correct me if I am wrong), that there is some private collector that has a 70mm stereo print. Of course, it is technically possible to create stereo from existing mono.