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Disney’s Pocahontas has never been afforded the same amount of acclaim or affection as the four Disney animated musicals that preceded it. Even though it won the same two Oscars that they did (Best Song and Best Score), the fact that its box-office take was not equal or superior to The Lion King (the other films had bested the box-office of the previous one), it seems to have been thought of as a disappointment. And yet, watching it now more than fifteen years after the fact, it’s a beautiful and unusual film with a score superior to the one for Aladdin and animation that’s more sophisticated and daring than The Lion King. As for the made-for-home video sequel, well, it uses some of the voice cast from the original in a Pygmalion variation story that’s barely worthy of the original.





Pocahontas/Pocahontas II (Blu-ray Combo Pack)
Directed by Mike Gabriel, Eric Goldberg/Bradley Raymond, Tom Ellery

Studio: Disney
Year: 1995/1998
Aspect Ratio: 1.78:1   1080p   AVC codec
Running Time: 81/73 minutes
Rating: G
Audio: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 English; Dolby Digital 5.1 Spanish, French
Subtitles:  SDH, Spanish, French

Region: A-B-C
MSRP: $ 39.99


Release Date: August 21, 2012

Review Date: August 19, 2012




The Films


Pocahontas – 4/5


Governor Radcliffe (David Ogden Stiers) lands on the coast of what is now Virginia with one real goal in mind: to harvest enormous amounts of gold to match the legendary hauls the Spanish had dug up in their excavations in the New World. Among his hearty band of workers is Captain John Smith (Mel Gibson) who is more interested in the natural beauty of the territory now named for James I of England. He meets Native American Pocahontas (Irene Bedard, singing by Judy Kuhn) and as they get to know one another, they (but especially he) learn about cultural differences not being right or wrong but instead meant to co-exist harmoniously. But Radcliffe isn’t interested in making friends with the native people who he thinks are hoarding the gold he covets, so he’s intent on stirring his men into a frenzy until they can mount a full-scale attack on the Indians.


The film was the first Disney animated title based on a true event (though naturally a great deal of dramatic license has been applied) and as such ends in a way almost unheard of in a Disney film – no happily ever after! That gives the film a ring of dramatic truth, however, amid a somber story enlivened by a host of Disney cartoon critters (a mischievous raccoon, a feisty hummingbird, a snooty pug) and a seven song score by Alan Menken and Stephen Schwartz that’s mostly exceptional with two glorious power ballads for the title character (“Just Around the Riverbend” and the Oscar-winning “Colors of the Wind” exceptionally well sung by Judy Kuhn), a dazzling production number for the villainous Radcliffe “Mine, Mine, Mine,” and the climactic “Savages,” an ironic tune sung by both the natives and the interlopers sneeringly in reference to their enemies. The animation is greatly stylized with lots of sharp angles and almost phosphorescent colors, and the effect is undeniably hypnotic (the representations of fog and wind are especially striking throughout). The voice cast does a superb job from first to last (David Ogden Stiers plays not only Radcliffe but also his valet Wiggins thus continually acting opposite himself), and the entire production just whizzes by due to razor-edged pacing by directors Mike Gabriel and Eric Goldberg that doesn’t waste a second of screen time.


Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World – 3/5


Though the residents of Jamestown are living quite harmoniously with the Native Americans, back home in England, Radcliffe (David Ogden Stiers) in trying to save face for bringing home no gold has laid the failure completely on the shoulders of John Smith (Donal Gibson) forcing him to become a fugitive from the law. King James demands a meeting with Chief Powhatan (Russell Means), but he instead sends daughter Pocahontas (Irene Bedard, singing by Judy Kuhn) watched over by the King’s emissary John Rolfe (Billy Zane). Trying to make the Indian princess appear in the worst possible light, Radcliffe sponsors a fancy dress ball where he expects Pocahantas’s native dress and behavior will scandalize British society and thus garner the King’s permission to send an armada against the Indians. But Rolfe works with Pocahontas to teach her European manners and graces thus forcing Radcliffe to resort to even more desperate measures.


It comes as no surprise that the look and tone of the movie are eons away from the stylized, hypnotic allure of the original. Here the animation is much flatter and brighter with none of the mystical magic of the first movie. The story is fairly standard, too, even with the addition of the three comic presences from the first movie (their repetitive shtick is much less entertaining this time around) and the farsighted housekeeper Mrs. Jenkins (Jean Stapleton) who’s good for an occasional laugh. The songs by Marty Panzer and Larry Grossman, apart from “Where Do I Go from Here,” can’t hold a candle to anything in the first movie though Judy Kuhn brings her strong singing voice back to make all of her music at least worth hearing. Billy Zane has a surprisingly powerful singing voice as John Rolfe, and their climactic duet “Between Two Worlds” sounds better than it is due to their powerful emoting. 



Video Quality


Pocahontas – 5/5


The film has been framed for the video edition at 1.78:1 and is presented in 1080p resolution using the AVC codec. Controlling the vibrant, hyper-saturated purples, pinks, oranges, and reds must have been a nightmare for quality control artists, but the finished product is exemplary. This is a dazzling transfer with not a hint of banding or aliasing with the tight line structures and features a picture that’s razor sharp throughout. The film has been divided into 28 chapters.


Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World – 4.5/5


The film is presented in 1.78:1 and is offered in 1080p resolution using the AVC codec. Apart from some noticeable banding in some backgrounds, the image quality is clean and crisp. Colors are bright and nicely maintained throughout the presentation, and all lines are solid with no artifacting. The film has been divided into 23 chapters.



Audio Quality


Pocahontas – 4.5/5


The DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 sound mix sounds glorious for the most part. Occasionally the orchestra doesn’t quite reach the depths of the surrounds that one might be expecting, but generally, the mix is completely and utterly satisfying. Dialogue and singing voices have been placed in the center channel and are always perfectly discernible.


Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World – 5/5


Here’s a surprise: the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 is astonishingly sophisticated for a made-for-video effort! There is a great deal of directionalized dialogue making for a most impressive vocal presentation. There is much more activity in the fronts and rears with split surround effects than one might have been anticipating, and the music has great sweep throughout. There is also much more bass activity in the mix not only in the music but in other sound effects (a raging storm has great power) giving the LFE channel a nice workout.



Special Features

3/5


The audio commentary for Pocahontas is provided by directors Mike Gabriel and Eric Goldberg and producer James Pentecost. Though it starts just a bit slowly, the three men finally hit their stride and offer a thorough discussion of the film’s production always exhibiting a great sense of pride in their finished product and complimenting various members of the cast and crew for their fine work. Recorded eight years after release for the DVD release of the film, the track is certainly one fans of the film will want to hear.


“Drawing Inspiration: The Lost Story of Hiawatha” is a 1080p featurette on a long-planned but never realized animated version of the Longfellow poem. Narrated by historian Charles Solomon with the storyboard narration by Pocahontas co-director Eric Goldberg, this 11 ¾-minute featurette shows visual ideas which were later incorporated by the directors and animators of Pocahontas.


“Deleted Song ‘If I Never Knew’” is the fully animated 1080p song sequence which occurs after the capture of John Smith by the Powhatan. Though put back into the film for the 2005 DVD release, here it’s only available as a bonus feature and runs 4 ¾ minutes. There is also optional commentary for it by the producer and directors.


“The Music of Pocahontas allows composer Alan Menken, lyricist Stephen Schwartz, and producer James Pentecost discuss the song score for the film. Also seen is Judy Kuhn recording “Just Around the Riverbend” in the booth in this 7-minute, 480i featurette.


There are nine deleted sequences represented in storyboards or rotoscoping that may be watched individually or together in one 15 ½-minute group. They’re in 480i.


“Little Hiawatha” is a 1937 Silly Symphony cartoon presented in 480i and running 9 ¼ minutes.


The disc claims there are additional bonus features from the old DVD release in the Virtual Vault, but I was not granted access to this without a broadband rather than a DSL internet connection.


The disc contains promo trailers for Cinderella and Finding Nemo 3D.


The second and third discs in the set are DVD copies of the original movie and its made-for-video sequel.



In Conclusion

3.5/5 (not an average)


Pocahontas was not one of the lucky animated films to get a worthy made-for-video sequel, but the original film is better than its reputation suggests, and the Blu-ray package offers excellent video and audio for a reasonable price.




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MattH. said:
Disney’s Pocahontas has never been afforded the same amount of acclaim or affection as the four Disney animated musicals that preceded it. Even though it won the same two Oscars that they did (Best Song and Best Score), the fact that its box-office take was not equal or superior to The Lion King (the other films had bested the box-office of the previous one), it seems to have been thought of as a disappointment.
You've heard the theory about even-numbered Star Trek movies--Think the reverse is actually true for 90's-Renaissance Disney movies:
The ODD-numbered ones (Mermaid, Aladdin) were the ones made with some actual artistic vision and care, and the EVEN-numbered ones (Beauty&Beast, Lion King) just coattailed on the residual successes of the movies before it--We all praised B&B to the skies at the Oscars because we didn't have a chance to say more good things about Mermaid when we had the chance, and we all crammed into Lion King on opening week hoping it would be half as good as Aladdin.
They weren't, of course--because Linda "Tim Burton's Alice" Woolverton is the worst screenwriter working today--but those were the ones we all remember for grabbing fame while the grabbing was hot, even if they happened to be unstomachably unholy messes.
Pocahontas was going to be #5, made with some actual artistic care and interest in making a "serious" animated film for "grownups", until:
A) the studio found they couldn't sell the movie to kids (you literally didn't even SEE Poc or Smith in the Saturday morning ads. At all.), and
B) the boardroom thought the "Virginia" angle would be a fortuitous attempt to smooth the waters with their lil' Disney America theme-park mess...With its nice sycophantic message that the noble natives of Virginia shouldn't be intolerant if they encounter any strange new neighbors from far away who decide to settle down for a while, and it's better if we all just get along...:rolleyes:
So instead, we got the snotty-PC Pocahontas of "Colors of the Wind". Yeesh.
And yet, even THAT was still better than Avatar.
 

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Originally Posted by Ejanss /t/323120/pocahontas-pocahontas-ii-blu-ray-review#post_3964338
--because Linda "Tim Burton's Alice" Woolverton is the worst screenwriter working today--
Somewhere Akiva Goldsman is raising an eyebrow.

Also... these two movies are just... mediocre/dreadful. Pocahontas chokes on its own rediculous fairy tale version of American history (seriously Katzenberg looked at West Side Story more than he did proper historians for this schlock), and II makes it worse over its low budget and goofy caricatures. What a load of crap.
 

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Disney really went above and beyond in their marketing of "Pocahontas" - the film opened in grand style in Central Park. I've always held the film in high regard - it's one of Disney's most sophisticated films and appeals to adults more than children I feel (especially when the cut song - "If I Never Knew You" - is reinserted into the action). Sure it's a message film (and the message is often beaten over your head) but the characters are fascinating; and while it plays fast and loose with a legendary true story, you'll find the same thing in countless other films.
Even as a teenager (I was 14 or so when the filmed opened in 1995), my favourite track on the album was the Jon Secada/Shanice pop duet of "If I Never Knew You", and I believe it contains the true essence and heart of the story. The Oscar WOULD have gone to that song, I've no doubt, if the filmmakers had left it alone in 1995. The less said about the 'sequel', however, the better. I remember greatly looking forward to buying that video when it originally came out, but apart from "Where Do I Go from Here?", I was appalled at how the writers tried to push the characters as far as possible from how they appeared in the original film.
The extras on the Blu-ray seem a bit skimpy for what was offered on DVD in the past, so when I upgrade I'll have to hang onto my trusty old 2-disc DVD edition of "Pocahontas" as well.
 

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17 years later, I've still never seen Pocohantas. I guess I should get around to it. I'm intrigued that the music might compare to Alladin, a favorite.
 

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“Deleted Song ‘If I Never Knew’” is the fully animated 1080p song sequence which occurs after the capture of John Smith by the Powhatan. Though put back into the film for the 2005 DVD release, here it’s only available as a bonus feature and runs 4 ¾ minutes. There is also optional commentary for it by the producer and directors.
Seriously??
They should...have left...it in.
 

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Ethan Riley said:
Seriously??
They should...have left...it in.
The DVD I have has 2 versions of the film, with the song available via seamless branching. Seriously... don't tell me this wasn't possible for the fancy schmancy Blu-ray format.
 

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--because Linda "Tim Burton's Alice" Woolverton is the worst screenwriter working today--.
Lord Dalek said:
Somewhere Akiva Goldsman is raising an eyebrow.
...HE'S STILL WORKING??? :eek:
He's got some all-time competition in Linda, though.
(Try watching Lion King knowing that it's the first two or three episodes of Kimba, and see if you don't get some of those same "Did she even read the same freakin' book?" complaints as with her Alice-in-a-Blender script...)
Also... these two movies are just... mediocre/dreadful. Pocahontas chokes on its own rediculous fairy tale version of American history (seriously Katzenberg looked at West Side Story more than he did proper historians for this schlock), and II makes it worse over its low budget and goofy caricatures. What a load of crap.
A Disney movie is often only as good as its villain. And Gov. Ratcliffe routinely takes fan prizes as THE most annoying and insulting excuse for a villain in Disney history.
With complaints like that, the "historical accuracy" complaint is pretty far down the shopping list.
 

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I don't understand why Disney couldn't be bothered to include a seamless branching option for "If I Never Knew You." They continue to seamlessly branch "Human Again" from Beauty and the Beast. Although, they did remove the branching option for the godawful "Morning Report" from The Lion King (but I'm not complaining about that). Here, the movie works so much better with "If I Never Knew You" re-instated, and Disney drops the ball yet again. Bad enough that they include it only as a supplement, but they don't even bother including the short two-line reprise ("And I'm so grateful to you / I'd have lived my whole life through") as a deleted song either. And the "Virtual Vault" nonsense has got to go. I'd rather have these extras on the disc itself.
 

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I've been annoyed with the Virtual Vault since its inception (was that for the Blu-ray release of Fantasia?), but now I don't even have access to it which is REALLY annoying.
 

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I also wish the included the extended version of the film.
Nowhere to be found is the shor reprise of If I Nver Knew You that was part of the final scene.
 

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Pocahontas isn't one of my favorites, but I might have bought it if it had the seamless branching option. Seriously, it takes no effort to utilize it for just one itty-bitty plot altering scene. And as Albert said, if they can use seamless branching to put "Human Again" back into Beauty in the Beast, then why isn't there one here?

And this has me more concerned about the upcoming release of The Muppet Christmas Carol and "When Love is Gone".
 

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"If I never knew you" was my favorite song as well. It hurts me to have to pass, but since there's no option for seamless branching and that reprise part is missing, it would be a waste of money for me to buy it.
 

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Ethan Riley said:
Seriously??
They should...have left...it in.
I have to echo this. I thought the 2005 DVD was at least twice as good as the original theatrical cut due to the two reinserted scenes which include this song and the reprise. Without this song Pocahontas' visit to John Smith's tent while he's waiting for possible execution loses almost all of its poignancy. This *had* to be included on the Blu-ray at least as an option. (And I mean as an integrated part of the movie; *not* as an extra.)
I may just pass on this Blu-ray as a result of this idiotic decision.
 

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I dunno. I think everyone is making too much of a fuss over something that wasn't deemed worthy of the theatrical cut. If the song was so very important to the scene in question then it would've made it into the film. Bored kids be damned.
Honestly, the scene plays fine without it. Does it play better with it, sure but I'm just not gonna get all upset over something I have no control over.
I DO agree that seamless branching should've been used. But it wasn't for whatever reason.
As for the sequel, it was planned for theaters (the first film ends abruptly for this very reason) but the underwhelming box office caused Disney to shuffle it to the DTV division. I feel everyone did the best they could with what they had to work with (lower budet, tighter schedule, etc.). Now, I haven't seen the sequel in many years but remember liking it. I look forward to seeing it again.
 

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Tom M said:
I dunno. I think everyone is making too much of a fuss over something that wasn't deemed worthy of the theatrical cut.
Personally, I think the theatrical cut is a weaker film because of the song's exclusion. They have its melody underscored throughout the film, gradually building up to the moment when Pocahontas and John Smith should finally have a chance to share their love for each other. Instead, we get an all-too-brief visit in the longhouse that amounts to little more than, "I'm sorry / I'm sorry, too." They've been robbed of that moment, as has the audience. Without the song, their romance feels contrived. With the song, their romance has become solidified and real, in the Disney sense at least. History already tells us that John Smith was in his 30s and Pocahontas was a little girl. But in the allegorical story that Disney is telling, we get one of the most romantic couples depicted in animated history, right up there with Cinderella and Charming, Lady and Tramp, Aurora and Phillip, Robin and Marian, Belle and Beast, Aladdin and Jasmine, etc.
Even the filmmakers agreed that they shouldn't have cut "If I Never Knew You." It was a mistake they made in 1995, which has since been corrected on the 2005 DVD. The 2012 Blu-Ray should have done the same. It's not like with Beauty and the Beast where they dropped it in the demo/storyboard phase but were inspired to add the number after its success on Broadway. This was an integral part of the film that made it all the way to test screenings, animation was nearly complete, and everyone LOVED the song. Bored kids or not, it was meant to be in the film. In the "making-of" featurette for the song (on the 2005 DVD), Roy E. Disney even says, "You have a tendency to be a little trigger-happy, I think, sometimes. I think maybe we were that time. [...] Certainly the song belonged in the movie, and really contributed to the movie. Now we get to put it back in, which is great."
I already bought the Blu-Ray (mainly to have some form of the film in HD), but I've also written a lengthy letter to Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment with my grievances towards their treatment of the film. I doubt it will do much, but if enough fans complain, maybe they'll decide to recall the disc and re-instate the song (and reprise) via seamless branching.
 

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What's maddening, regardless of which preference you care to argue, is why they wouldn't simply utilize the capabilities of the format (i.e. seamless branching) ... like they already did on the DVD. What is the reasoning process, when that functionality had been used successfully on the "obsolete" format, and then it's thrown out the window on the next?
 

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Originally Posted by Chas in CT /t/323120/pocahontas-pocahontas-ii-blu-ray-review#post_3965382
What's maddening, regardless of which preference you care to argue, is why they wouldn't simply utilize the capabilities of the format (i.e. seamless branching) ... like they already did on the DVD. What is the reasoning process, when that functionality had been used successfully on the "obsolete" format, and then it's thrown out the window on the next?

Yup. That is what's maddening. That and the fact that the technology allows you to keep BOTH SIDES of the question happy. Those who want the theatrical cut can select that and those who want the extended cut can have that.

Choices are good. More happiness is good.

They should have remembered that from when they made the smart decision when they released the DVD so many years ago.

And I am one of those who falls into the camp that the song should have been left in and was thrilled when the DVD allowed the option to put it in.
 

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What's maddening, regardless of which preference you care to argue, is why they wouldn't simply utilize the capabilities of the format (i.e. seamless branching) ... like they already did on the DVD.  What is the reasoning process, when that functionality had been used successfully on the "obsolete" format, and then it's thrown out the window on the next?
I'd say that it's almost definitely because the deleted footage was finished on NTSC video so it couldn't be used for a Blu-ray. That doesn't excuse not going back to the footage and making an HD transfer of it but it's probably the reason why there's no extended version on the disc.
 

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Originally Posted by Mike Frezon /t/323120/pocahontas-pocahontas-ii-blu-ray-review#post_3965394
And I am one of those who falls into the camp that the song should have been left in and was thrilled when the DVD allowed the option to put it in.

I've only watched this one a couple of times, and it's even been a while since that -- but I think I am, too. Which probably means here's a couple of us doubling up and keeping the DVD even if we buy the BD.
 

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