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The Dragon Tattoo Extended Trilogy

4 BD-25 Discs

1.78 AR, Presented in MPEG4-AVC


The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo: 2 parts, 186 Minutes (1:33, 1:33)
MPEG-4 AVC @ 15.3Mbps CODEC
The Girl Who Played With Fire: 2 Parts, 186 Minutes (1:33, 1:33)
MPEG-4 AVC @ 15.4Mbps CODEC
The Girl Who Kicked the Hornet's Nest: 2 Parts, 185 Minutes (1:33,1:32)
MPEG-4 AVC CODEC @ 16.9 Mbps
Audio:  DTS-HD 5.1 (Swedish); DD-5.1 (English/Dub)


The Dragon Trilogy Retold.



Before we proceed much farther, I think ti's good to go back and look at some of the great reviews of the individual films themselves.   Previous reviews are here:


The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo


The Girl Who Played With Fire


The Girl Who Kicked a Hornet's Nest


 

For those that have already imported the extended Swedish Editions, you'll find that these are the exact same titles just packaged into a very nice packaging.   This does make for the first release into the US of the extended versions.
If you've never seen the films, let me start off by welcoming you to an international phenomenon and trying to explain why the films succeeded as they did.   Our story follows two distinct characters:  Lisbeth, a girl with a haunted past (The Girl..) and Mikael, the editor of a rebel rousing newspaper, Millenium.   




As the story begins, Mikael finds himself on the wrong end of a libel suit that accuses him of making slanderous statements about the powerful - leading to him being sentenced to a heavy fine and a term in prison.    But before he is to serve his prison term, he has six months to set his life in order.     If you've read the books, you'll recognize the storyline, but it's amazing how well the films hold to them - without trumping up beats or appealing to the audience need for action.
If there is any genre in Hollywood that suffers like suspense films, I don't know what it is.   Modern Suspense films are toned down actioneers; gore-fest or drama that never pays off.   But this presentation of The Dragon Trilogy is everything that a Hitchcock level suspense is supposed to be; a mystery that has a slow, rising action that draws the viewer in without resorting to big action sequences.  There aren't huge explosions; there are action sequences but they are quick and are used to move the story forward, not to become the story on their own.


The first time I sat through "The Girl with a Dragon Tattoo" I was mesmerized by the performance and the attention to small details, and performances that absolutely stand out.   Noomi Rapace delivers a stunning, all cards in performance as Lisbeth, and throughout all of the titles, her performance absolutely shines.   While I feel as though "Girl with a Dragon Tattoo" is the home-run title, the other two by extension would be solid doubles.



This moment from "Girl with a Dragon Tattoo" clearly presented in 1.78:1



For people who've seen the films, the big question is how is the presentation changed.   Well, these extended editions don't drag, they often flesh out and provide better context for the movements.  I find even at 3hrs, "Girl with a Dragon Tattoo" is a tight well woven work that never feels tiresome.   What may stand out most, though, is that this presentation has been segmented.  Instead of 3 movies, you have "SIx Parts", broken into 6 1:33 minute segments, it provides great stopping points for six straight nights of action/adventure.  And when TV in the US is on repeats, this can easily seal off a week.



One of the title card leadins that occur when you reach the beginning of a segment


The capstones and title cards for each segment are uniquely produced, provide us a great feel for these films and act as great leadins.   It's no doubt that the trilogy is getting an extended release here in the states in time to match up with the release of the US adaptation of this work.   On that same point, I'm sure many will pass on this, waiting for it to be released at the theater with actors they "know".    But I have to say that this version for me will always be the definitive version -- the feel of a production made in country gives it a level of authenticity that is hard to recapture.   The performances are spot on, and more then that, the heart of the story lends itself to this kind of production.   A tale of youth misguided by his nazi-sympathizing older family members who were alive or Hitler Youth during WWII?   We sometimes forget how many in around the world were touched by WWII..
The packaging itself is a treat, neatly laid out into a dual-fold slip case, the artwork is spectacular and provides a great look for your library.  

The Presentation

Video 2.5 / 5


There is one level of real concern here, and that is that we are provided with 4 Blu-Ray 25 discs, meaning that you get 3 hours of video per each BD.    In order to make sure they could get a semi-decent bitrate, there are no extras on any discs, and the menu is very sparse.    While I appreciate how fast these discs load - and believe me, they pop up to a menu FAST, and their clean menus make it a pleasure to work with, it leaves little room for effective video.  At between 15.3 and 16.9 Mbps, the video at times is not nearly as good as it needs to be.  Oh, it's definitely High Def, and as a transfer goes, there are moments where it looks very good - but you always get the feeling that it's not where it should be.  Digital artifacts abound, clear signs of over compression and noise mar most scenes.



The Girl Who Played With Fire, also 1.78:1 AR


Michael Reuben, in his prior reviews here had commented that the bitrate didn't satisfy for a 147 minute film on a BD-25.  Here, you are presented with a 185 minutes on the same BD-25, with a much heavier DTS-HD Audio track then the prior DD.  They simply don't look quite as sharp or crisp as prior versions released - those versions, offered at 25Mbps, offer a noticably better look and so it's unfortunate that these are presented in BD-25, when the room to really allow them to breathe could only be accomplished by BD-50.   As you can imagine, if reviewers found fault with the 25Mbps data compression applied to previous editions, this new 15.4Mb compression certainly won't win their hearts and minds.



 



But why still a 2.5?   Because for all the compression, it still looks far better then I expected.   I had expected terrible, and frankly, it looks better then the online streamed versions.. though not by much.  When I first saw the bitrate counter, I was very concerned this would not look good at all.   So, to damn with faint praise: it could have looked much worse, and I've seen BDs with twice the bitrate that didn't look as good.



Audio 4.5 / 5


Increasing to the pressure on disc space is the fact that this is now presented in DTS-HD 5.1 Audio.   The audio mix here is VERY good, vocals are solid and easy to understand (well, in Swedish), and the soundtrack makes for an effective setting of scenes.   In many moments, direction plays with audio - a chase scene in the woods, the use of ominous heart beats or the sound of wind rustling behind you.   I find the soundtrack here to be fantastic, it completely sets the mood for what a suspense thriller should be.


Extras:


Please note, the extras are identical to the previously released extras as set on the Dragon Trilogy BD Set, so I won't rank or rate them as a result.   They occupy one BD-25 disc, though the total content on that disc is presented in MPEG2 and occupies less then 4.83Gb.

My Thoughts:


It's hard to give a real number based review for this, because collectors may already have these versions, though not quite organized in this format.   Fans of the series may also have the prior single releases, which while not extended are in a higher bitrate and do look better then this presentation.  For those that are completists, though, this is a welcome box set and it will be in the must own category.   If you've never seen the series, and you want to see it as a long form series, this is a great presentation of the media, and those new to the series may find this presentation from a story standpoint more fulfilling.


The one thing that is true about this, no matter how you look at it is that the reason why these films succeeded is because the story is fantastically told, the direction is spot on, and it features some great performances.   And all of the statistics I could provide about the discs themselves wouldn't change anything about that.  If you already have the prior releases, though and you're on the fence, the video quality here is going to be a compelling factor to just rent for the differences, there are no extras or anything else to draw you to this title otherwise.


 

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Let me break out my set, because I think you may be right.. I will check one and two.

And...

You are right. My old set is clearly not 1.78 (bars)
The new set IS 1.78 (Full Frame)

So, this is not correct AR. I hadn't even noticed the transition from the old set to the new, but now that you mention it, you're correct (Please note: I am comparing to the swedish film releases, I do not have the prior box set so I cannot judge to see if the transition was made at that point or just with this release)

I've verified this and noted screen shots to mark where from, to point out that prior press releases, which addressed "Girl with a Dragon Tattoo" would stay 2.35:1 are in error, and it is presented as the box lays out, in 1.78. This is also noted on the box shot itself:

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Amazing that such popular/successful films are being handled so poorly. Music Box Films and/or the owners of the movies could've done this trilogy up right - especially with the new movie coming. Maybe Music Box should just stick to running the best movie theater in Chicago...
 

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Originally Posted by Cameron Yee /t/316673/the-dragon-tattoo-extended-trilogy#post_3876302
Wow, that's mind boggling they changed the AR!
Yeah. It really makes no sense. At full frame, it means compression has to compress a full set of pixels for the whole video; realize, at 2.35:1, the "black bars" that preserve the aspect ratio reduce to basically nothing in compression (ie, single code replicated 1920 times compresses significantly)..

They don't have that luxury at full frame. So, now the 10Mbps drop in video compression takes on an even bigger impact.

Let's put it this way:

1920*1080 = 2,073,600 pixels to compress (Full Frame)
1920*820 (roughly 2.35:1) is 1,574,400

So, the drop in bitrate while at the same time increasing the active pixel count.. it makes no sense at all..
 
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Bummer about the bit rate. I guess we will all wait for these to be re-released in the US. How many years will that be for all three movies to be redone in the US?

Well, I look forward to watching the US remake on 12/21/11! I think we won't be dissapointed with the BD release then...
 

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Cameron Yee said:
Wow, that's mind boggling they changed the AR!
They were all TV broadcasts. That was the AR they were shown in, and why they're all the same length. I believe the first film (the only one shown theatrically?) was made with the intention of the TV release from the start, so they may have created it with both AR's in mind.
 

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Zack Gibbs said:
Wow, that's mind boggling they changed the AR!
They were all TV broadcasts. That was the AR they were shown in, and why they're all the same length. I believe the first film (the only one shown theatrically?) was made with the intention of the TV release from the start, so they may have created it with both AR's in mind.
That's what I thought and as soon as I read the different ratio this was my thinking, a made for tv ratio.
 

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It appears that this is the situation re: the trilogy.

Dragon Tattoo was shot 35/3, and partially 16, and released on 35/4 anamorphic. The following two were S16, and produced for broadcast, meaning 1.78 would be correct.

This new set appears to be Millennium, the six part TV mini-series, released in Sweden March 20, 2010.

The new aspect ratio of 1.78 would be correct for the entire trilogy as presented on TV.

My objection to the set is that while it may appear to look fine when viewed on a TV monitor of certain size, anyone who wishes to approximate a more
theatrical feeling via projection, may find things problematic via the necessarily low data rates from the use of a BD-25.

While we are all aware that initially there were technical problems getting BD-50s out into the wild, that situation ended a couple of years ago. It is possible
that if these are being pressed at a small "mom and pop" facility on the outskirts of Chicago, that BD-50s may not have yet arrived.

Also, while it's nice to have the tracks on DTS-HD, it hardly matters if one is viewing on a mid-sized flat panel using built-in speakers. The use of DTS-HD reduces the data throughput of image even further.

There is an obvious problem with the concept in releases this set in terms of the technical.

I thoroughly enjoyed the films as originally cut, and would probably purchase the set outside of the BD-25 situation, if just to see what changes have occurred editorially.

Last point, is that longer is not always better. These running times were not as originally released, but rather seemingly an afterthought toward a money grab in re-issue.

As the great Samuel Goldwyn said when queried how long a film should be... "As long as it's good."

As much respect as I have for Music Box, I wish that some other organization held the home video rights to these properties.

RAH
 

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Zack Gibbs said:
They were all TV broadcasts. That was the AR they were shown in, and why they're all the same length. I believe the first film (the only one shown theatrically?) was made with the intention of the TV release from the start, so they may have created it with both AR's in mind.
Correct - the first film was shot in Super 35.
 

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I'm somewhat confused. The original swedish release is not 1.78. So, which release is "right" or "wrong" ? Or are we just saying it was framed with both targets in mind? None of this really mitigates the concern over the bitrate as presented, though
 

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mattCR said:
I'm somewhat confused.   The original swedish release is not 1.78.   So, which release is "right" or "wrong"  ?  Or are we just saying it was framed with both targets in mind?  None of this really mitigates the concern over the bitrate as presented, though
Yes, that's what Super 35 is all about - it was framed at 1.78 for Swedish TV and for 2.35 for movie theaters.
 

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I thoroughly enjoyed the films as originally cut, and would probably purchase the set outside of the BD-25 situation, if just to see what changes have occurred editorially.
Last point, is that longer is not always better.  These running times were not as originally released, but rather seemingly an afterthought toward a money grab in re-issue.
Unless I'm mistaken, weren't these films originally produced for Swedish television and subsequently cut down for theatrical release? If so, would not these "extended versions" actually be "the films as originally cut?" I'm looking forward to watching the long versions, particularly of the second film, which had a lot of the book cut out in order to fit the theatrical running time and became borderline-incoherent as a result.
The real money-grab release was the box set of the theatrical cuts released earlier this year: that set consisted of three previously-released discs and a bonus disc that appears to be the exact same as the bonus disc in this set.
 

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No, I'd still view this as a moneygrab. Remember, Sony pushing "SuperBit" DVD.. 7Mb/s DVD.. 7Mb/s for a 480I image. Here, you're talking a 1080P image at 15Mb/s. Yes, the CODEC is superior, but there is no way cramming 3 hours onto a single BD-25 is the way to go. If this had been on 6 BD-25s, with extras mixed in, you could make it work and nearly double the bitrate. Then it would just be at the same level as prior releases.

Like I said, for completists, I think this is worth owning.. the story holds up, it plays well, and Rapace delivers an absolutely stunning performance. There is also something to be said for seeing it in this format vs. a US version, as the sinister nature of the film really seems to grab more hold being told and acted by people who are in that environment that sells the storyline.

But I don't know if I'd pay $71 for an over-compressed version of it.
 

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Anyone got any comparisons between the 2.35:1 and 16:9 versions of the first film? Sucks that you got it on BD-25s, the Scandinavian BD-50 release looks a lot better. :)
 

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I've got both discs. I'm taking the kids out shopping tonight, but I can get shots of both this week.



Originally Posted by Roger_R /t/316673/the-dragon-tattoo-extended-trilogy#post_3876641
Anyone got any comparisons between the 2.35:1 and 16:9 versions of the first film? Sucks that you got it on BD-25s, the Scandinavian BD-50 release looks a lot better.
 

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Someone went to a great deal of trouble relating differences between the theatrical and extended, along with many other titles.

Interesting site.

Here:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=880139

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=363928

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=934377

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=546680
 

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I just watched the extended Girl With The Dragon Tattoo - I'd only seen the theatrical version once and loved it a lot, but I didn't remember it vividly enough to know what the additions were - all I can say is that it plays beautifully at this length and it's compelling and terrific. Then I checked out the site that Mr. Harris referenced above so I could see exactly what the differences were - in some cases very slight, but in others the extended version adds stuff that may not seem that important but is - it really helps clarify certain things and it never felt overly long to me - this is a wonderful movie with fantastic performances. I'm actually dreading the US version, but will see it anyway - but no one is going to touch the performance of Noomi Rapace - she is just magical. And you just know the US version will be filled with all that whispery actor crap that actors do today - one can hear every word of the original, even if one cannot understand the actual language. :)
 

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