SOUND OF MUSIC 4K restoration and 70mm reissue???

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Noticed that there is a new YouTube video with a trailer for a new 4K restoration of SOUND OF MUSIC and re-issue to theaters in 70mm. Not sure if this link will work, but this could mean a 4K disc and blu ray? I know many people here had issues with the existing blu ray. Anyone heard about this?

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  1. Seeing the film in 70mm again would be a treat. It would make no sense if the 70mm prints were projected onto cinemascope sized screens ,without curtains and in multiplexes as are most 70mm films today. I saw SOM over 100 times where I worked in 70mm.We had a curved 60 foot wide screen and SOM ran for 41 weeks. I refuse to see it in 35mm or digital .It is screened in digital for one day only every February during Sydney's gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras .The audience dress up and prizes are given out for best costume. It is always a sell event in February.

  2. A new 70mm print from an 8K scan is screening at the BFI Southbank for a 2 week run from 18th May.
    This is also screening in DTS in original 6 track stereo with 5 front and 1 surround channels.

    The hills could be alive with pixels:angry:

  3. haineshisway

    I had plenty of issues with the previous Blu-ray so I hope this is a brand new thing.

    Same here.
    I would think that they could go back to the raw 8k files and do a new grading – IF they kept them. No idea also what they kept from the audio but that might also be redone without having to go back to photochemical elements.

  4. DP 70

    A new 70mm print from an 8K scan is screening at the BFI Southbank for a 2 week run from 18th May.
    This is also screening in DTS in original 6 track stereo with 5 front and 1 surround channels.

    The hills could be alive with pixels:angry:

    Not a fan of these filmouts to 70mm either – if you go digital you may as well stay digital.
    Oh well, if it keeps all kind of 70mm equipment going I will be fine with that but I will always try to see the real deal instead of these pixel/film hybrids.

  5. There's nothing like seeing this in 70mm on a big screen with a live audience. You can actually feel the electricity and your spine tingle on that opening shot of Julie Andrews spinning on the hill. The audience almost comes out of their seats with excitement. It is a visceral experience everyone should have.

  6. Here is the English dubbed version of the Trapp Family German film for which the real Maria sold her story. The rights to do the Broadway "Sound of Music" were obtained from the German producers not Maria.

  7. Garysb

    Here is the English dubbed version of the Trapp Family German film for which the real Maria sold her story. The rights to do the Broadway "Sound of Music" were obtained from the German producers not Maria.

    Fascinating!

  8. There was an English-language version of the first Von Trapp Family. I projected it in 1963 or 1964 (before the release of The Sound of Music).

    As everyone probably knows, the narrative of this film was licensed and adapted by Ernest Lehman for his script to The Sound of Music.

    This film is a must-see for fans of The Sound of Music.

  9. rsmithjr

    There was an English-language version of the first Von Trapp Family. I projected it in 1963 or 1964 (before the release of The Sound of Music).

    As everyone probably knows, the narrative of this film was licensed and adapted by Ernest Lehman for his script to The Sound of Music.

    This film is a must-see for fans of The Sound of Music.

    Fox realsed this several years before The Sound Of Music. I believe they still own the rights.

  10. I saw SOM in 70mm at the Seattle Cinerama two years ago. It was lovely. The sound was DTS I was told, I assume from the 1990 25th anniversary re-release (not a wide release). I also am hoping they revisit this for home video. It seems that the most popular titles receive the most revising. I guess that makes sense, but still. The audio on the blu seems a bit flat.

  11. Heres what I would like to see on a blu ray for SOM
    A transfer with better sound, rather just using the print master.
    A transfer that does NOT have everyone who wshould have blond hair liking red headed.

  12. Last time I saw The Sound Of Music was a 70mm presentation with 6 track audio back around February of 2017 and not only did it look great but sounded great as well. I would love to see a 4K blu-ray from a 70mm print and using the 6 track audio track.

  13. THE SOUND OF MUSIC had several record-breaking seasons ,when it was originally released. These record runs have never been broken by ANY other film, in over 50 years. It was the second longest run of any film in London (over 3 years) (SOUTH PACIFIC in London ran almost a year longer).It was the only film ever to run more than a year in Auckland,New Zealand. It ran for 41 weeks in Wellington,New Zealand – the longest ever for a film in that city. In Sydney it also ran over 3 years. There maybe many other record-breaking runs that still stand to-day.

  14. Fox did a limited re-release in theaters, I think via Fathom Events or something, a few years back and I saw it at the big theater here, but it wasn't 70mm. I would welcome the chance to see it in 70mm, but my arthouse is the only place that does 70mm, and they seem incapable of booking an older musical film without making it a sing-along, which I hate.

  15. OliverK

    Not a fan of these filmouts to 70mm either – if you go digital you may as well stay digital.
    Oh well, if it keeps all kind of 70mm equipment going I will be fine with that but I will always try to see the real deal instead of these pixel/film hybrids.

    Since DCP packages max at 4K, a 70mm print from 8K should be sharper. Maybe?

  16. cinemiracle

    THE SOUND OF MUSIC had several record-breaking seasons ,when it was originally released. These record runs have never been broken by ANY other film, in over 50 years. It was the second longest run of any film in London (over 3 years) (SOUTH PACIFIC in London ran almost a year longer).It was the only film ever to run more than a year in Auckland,New Zealand. It ran for 41 weeks in Wellington,New Zealand – the longest ever for a film in that city. In Sydney it also ran over 3 years. There maybe many other record-breaking runs that still stand to-day.

    I'm glad that South Pacific still holds that record … it's my favourite R & H musical .. I saw it on a giant widescreen in Melbourne Australia on its first release .. .saw it, and saw it, and saw it. I think I went about five times in a fortnight .. I was 14 or 15 at the time. Pure magic.

  17. IMO, 70mm is a waste of effort if it’s derived from a digital intermediate. It’s just like the myth of the LP: over 90% of new LP’s are derived from digital masters, yet people buy into vinyl because they think they’re listening to analog.

    Once you’re in the digital domain, you might as well stay there and have the advantages of no dirt or scratches, even screen brightness and a brighter, crisper image that’s perfectly steady.

    And there are very few theaters still equipped to show a 5 full range stage channel format and a DTS track is never going to sound like the original analog mag tracks anyway. Some Dolby Atmos theaters optionally have five screen channels, but I’m not aware of any Dolby Vision theaters that are also equipped for 70mm with the possible exception of the Disney-owned El Capitan (although some Dolby Atmos theaters that don’t have Dolby Vision might be).

    When SOM first played at roadshow theaters, they tended to be quite large and many had curved screens. In NYC, it played at the Rivoli, the same theater where West Side Story played to spectacular effect. The curved screen was 52′ across the cord, making it over 57′ wide for a 2.2:1 image. I believe that SOM played there for close to two years.

    IMO, you can never replicate the experience of Todd-AO in today’s mostly tiny theaters. Having said that, a high quality new restoration would be welcomed, but the last time I caught some of this film on cable, it already looked damned good to me.

  18. zoetmb

    IMO, 70mm is a waste of effort if it's derived from a digital intermediate. It's just like the myth of the LP: over 90% of new LP's are derived from digital masters, yet people buy into vinyl because they think they're listening to analog.

    That may be true of buyers today, but my large collection of L.P.s dates way back, long before "digital" was ever thought of. My first L. P. was the soundtrack of Can Can from around 1961.

  19. One of probably less than 10 films that I'll buy over and over and over again if they keep making a better quality version.

    Fingers crossed for a quality 4K HDR Blu-ray that is leaps and bounds better than the 50th Anniversary Blu-ray.

    Mark

  20. You all make it sound like the existing SOM blu is terrible. In reality, I think it is the 2nd best looking disc in my entire collection, topped only by the Todd-AO release of Oklahoma! I’ll be honest and say that I had only casually seen SOM before seeing it on Blu, so maybe those that talk of color grading issues have a legit point in some way that it wasn’t as originally intended. Maybe. But all I know is that the Blu they put out is breathtakingly beautiful and I don’t have one iota of a complaint regarding coloring and am not the slightest bit enthralled with the idea of them making it more redder/yellow-ish looking. If that was the original intent, forgive me for saying it, but I’m glad they changed it. As for the sound, I find the audio on SOM blu to be amazingly clear and balanced. I watched with my quality headphones instead of surround, but I have long dabbled in audio and consider myself somewhat of an audiophile, and I have pretty much zero complaints about the audio based on what I heard. If the complaint is that the audio track is missing a couple of foley sounds, I guess I would say: “Ok – they should fix, but who really cares if we hear an extra slap of a hand or something?…” Sorry I just don’t get the knocking in this thread of what I consider to be one of the most amazing blu’s I own…

  21. Mark Booth

    I'm not unhappy with the image on 50th Sound of Music but, let's be real here, it isn't in the same league as the latest Todd-AO release of Oklahoma.

    Mark

    Don't forget SOM used alot of filters.

  22. Mark Booth

    I'm not unhappy with the image on 50th Sound of Music but, let's be real here, it isn't in the same league as the latest Todd-AO release of Oklahoma.

    I personally don't have ANY other Blu's that are like the latest Oklahoma – it stands alone as a unique critter. But next up in my collection anyway is SOM. Both to me are astounding, but Ok's in a different category.

  23. chrislong2

    I personally don't have ANY other Blu's that are like the latest Oklahoma – it stands alone as a unique critter. But next up in my collection anyway is SOM. Both to me are astounding, but Ok's in a different category.

    I'd put the latest MY FAIR LADY Blu in the same category, for both picture AND sound.

    But I agree with you on SOUND OF MUSIC. I've seen 70mm prints in two different theaters over the years, and was never that impressed with the visuals. The most recent Blu recreates the theatrical presentation just fine for me.

  24. OKLAHOMA is definitely a stunner… but SUSPIRIA……….. :3dglasses:

    Honestly, and I have no scientific basis for this opinion, I've always felt that the SoM Blu is pretty, but could be sharper. I'll jump on a UHD if it's released.

  25. haineshisway

    The filters have nothing to do with it – the color is off.

    I'm talking about when people compare SOM to Okal

    Brian Kidd

    OKLAHOMA is definitely a stunner… but SUSPIRIA……….. :3dglasses:

    Honestly, and I have no scientific basis for this opinion, I've always felt that the SoM Blu is pretty, but could be sharper. I'll jump on a UHD if it's released.

    Its not as sharp as OKLAH0MA because of filters in many scenes.

  26. chrislong2

    You all make it sound like the existing SOM blu is terrible. In reality, I think it is the 2nd best looking disc in my entire collection, topped only by the Todd-AO release of Oklahoma! I'll be honest and say that I had only casually seen SOM before seeing it on Blu, so maybe those that talk of color grading issues have a legit point in some way that it wasn't as originally intended. Maybe. But all I know is that the Blu they put out is breathtakingly beautiful and I don't have one iota of a complaint regarding coloring and am not the slightest bit enthralled with the idea of them making it more redder/yellow-ish looking. If that was the original intent, forgive me for saying it, but I'm glad they changed it. As for the sound, I find the audio on SOM blu to be amazingly clear and balanced. I watched with my quality headphones instead of surround, but I have long dabbled in audio and consider myself somewhat of an audiophile, and I have pretty much zero complaints about the audio based on what I heard. If the complaint is that the audio track is missing a couple of foley sounds, I guess I would say: "Ok – they should fix, but who really cares if we hear an extra slap of a hand or something?…" Sorry I just don't get the knocking in this thread of what I consider to be one of the most amazing blu's I own…

    I couldn't agree with you more. Some of these posters who dislike the SOM blu-ray have no problem with the teal King and I or the blooming white Hello Dolly blu-rays? I too have an audio file system and the music sounds absolutely perfect. And the image is a VAST improvement over the previous blu-ray- the golds are golden as they were in the theater.
    Would I buy it for a missing foley sound or 2? Probably but there are a lot more films in need of fixing- and we can begin with the King and I. Just makes no sense.

  27. The image on THE KING AND I blu ray is a total mystery to me. It is almost unwatchable. The DVD looked better! What happened? It looks teal and rust-colored and horrible. THE SOUND OF MUSIC looks good to me. It doesn’t have the color scheme of the previous DVD which I liked, but in theatres I believe this was the original look. I think they did tone down “In the last Golden Days of the Thirties” sepia tone. They seemed embarrassed by it.

  28. The Bridge on the River Kwai seems to be the oldest film to get a 4K release. The next oldest is may be Close Encounters of a Third Kind. So not much love yet for older films in 4K. 2001 is coming soon. Small pickings from the 1960's roadshow films.

  29. Garysb

    The Bridge on the River Kwai seems to be the oldest film to get a 4K release. The next oldest is may be Close Encounters of a Third Kind. So not much love yet for older films in 4K. 2001 is coming soon. Small pickings from the 1960's roadshow films.

    Three of the best looking 60ies roadshow productions are Mutiny on the Bounty, Fall of the Roman Empire and Cheyenne Autumn. Two have been released as inacceptable or at least very soft looking Blu-rays and the third one not at all.

  30. Garysb

    The Bridge on the River Kwai seems to be the oldest film to get a 4K release. The next oldest is may be Close Encounters of a Third Kind. So not much love yet for older films in 4K. 2001 is coming soon. Small pickings from the 1960's roadshow films.

    Three of the best looking 60ies roadshow productions are Mutiny on the Bounty, Fall of the Roman Empire and Cheyenne Autumn. Two have been released as inacceptable or at least very soft looking Blu-rays and the third one not at all.

  31. I am very sad. The big-negative movies and roadshows are exactly the things i want on 4K. 2001 will be the first real one. [I do have Mediterranean Holiday/Flying Clipper that was filmed in 70mm but it is not very good.]

  32. This thread (and maybe a couple more) all speak of flaws in the sound and picture quality of prior transfers.
    Just wondering if there are any known reasons, obstacles or person(s) that would prevent these fixes from finally happening?
    I mean, after all, we're talkin' 4K/UHD. And, from every account within my awareness, Mr. Shawn Belston is a champion of our film heritage. So, what here is actually to take place from within, in order to gain that sought after nirvana?

  33. This thread (and maybe a couple more) all speak of flaws in the sound and picture quality of prior transfers.
    Just wondering if there are any known reasons, obstacles or person(s) that would prevent these fixes from finally happening?
    I mean, after all, we're talkin' 4K/UHD. And, from every account within my awareness, Mr. Shawn Belston is a champion of our film heritage. So, what here is actually to take place from within, in order to gain that sought after nirvana?

  34. noel aguirre

    Yet if I'm not mistaken you luv both The King and I and Hello Dolly's images?

    Why do you ask if you already know the answer? Answer that. Yes, I have little problem with The King and I because I'm a fan of Leon Shamroy's lighting – is it TOO blue – who knows, but it is hardly TEAL, which is what everyone keeps saying, and then of course not one person who hates the Blu-ray and feels they've BLUED it to death can explain why the scenes in the beginning in the palace where there is not a trace of blue can be so accurate (the YELLOW scenes). But I'm not having this discussion with you because I understand what you're trying to do here. As to Hello, Dolly! you've gone on and on about your problems, none of which I have actually seen on the Blu-ray I own, which is wonderful. Not an overblown sky anywhere – overCAST, yes, blue when it wasn't overCAST, yes. I'm thrilled you find them travesties. I do not so you can be thrilled for me.

  35. noel aguirre

    I couldn't agree with you more. Some of these posters who dislike the SOM blu-ray have no problem with the teal King and I or the blooming white Hello Dolly blu-rays? I too have an audio file system and the music sounds absolutely perfect. And the image is a VAST improvement over the previous blu-ray- the golds are golden as they were in the theater.
    Would I buy it for a missing foley sound or 2? Probably but there are a lot more films in need of fixing- and we can begin with the King and I. Just makes no sense.

    While I have less than favorable opinions about the grading of The King and I and Hello Dolly! I prefer to keep them in their respective threads and as it looks as if Fox has changed the grading for the DCP version maybe it is a good time to post again in one of the threads for The King and I.

    With that being said you make it seem like there are two different versions of The Sound of Music on Blu-ray, did I miss something and how can I find out if I have the Blu-ray you are writing about or the previous Blu-ray?

  36. The King and I on Blu-ray is solidly indigo blue and bears no relation to the prints I saw in original release and subsequently.

    Hello Dolly on Blu-ray is just fine. I also saw it in original release.

  37. Yes, let's not veer off rehash discussions of other classic films (The King & I and Hello Dolly) when there is enough to discuss here involving TSoM.

    A reference or two is fine–IF it relates to the topic at hand: a new release of The Sound of Music. But all the old disagreements about those other titles do NOT need to be re-opened in this thread.

  38. kinopanorama.widescreeen

    Long live 70mm. SOM should be re-released with the original 6-track elements, not to mention a pristine 4K transfer from the camera negatives.

    One should never presume that complete original neg elements exist.

  39. OliverK

    While I have less than favorable opinions about the grading of The King and I and Hello Dolly! I prefer to keep them in their respective threads and as it looks as if Fox has changed the grading for the DCP version maybe it is a good time to post again in one of the threads for The King and I.

    With that being said you make it seem like there are two different versions of The Sound of Music on Blu-ray, did I miss something and how can I find out if I have the Blu-ray you are writing about or the previous Blu-ray?

    Sorry I meant the 5 star dvd- for some reason I thought it was a blu ray. The colors were way off.
    However I really don't see how the current TSOM Blu is awful. And I only brought up other titles that are far from perfect yet the select few posters that love those are whining about the current TSOM transfer???
    And yes 4K would be nice of course but hopefully without the scrubbed grain and pop colors of the new Grease- which look nothing like what a 70's film looked and not what Grease looked like IMHO.

  40. noel aguirre

    Sorry I meant the 5 star dvd- for some reason I thought it was a blu ray. The colors were way off.
    However I really don't see how the current TSOM Blu is awful. And I only brought up other titles that are far from perfect yet the select few posters that love those are whining about the current TSOM transfer???
    And yes 4K would be nice of course but hopefully without the scrubbed grain and pop colors of the new Grease- which look nothing like what a 70's film looked and not what Grease looked like IMHO.

    Ah, OK thanks for clarifying that. I do not think that The Sound of Music looks that bad but it could use some regrading and work on the audio.

    Not as much regarding as other but that would be a futile discussion as it would clog up every other thread when we compare the wrongs in one transfer to another.
    For example why would I have an issue with West Side Story when MGM brings us what basically is DVD quality with releases of The Greatest Story Ever Told and The Hallelujah Trail? It still makes little sense to bring them up in a thread about West Side Story as it only will lead to discussions that do not relate to West Side Story anymore, just keep it in threads dedicated to those movies or open a new one if no thread exists for the movie in question.

    Regarding 4k Kwai is a very good example of a UHD disc that does not try to make the movie prettier by overdoing it with the grain reduction – I hope Sony will keep things that way and Fox should follow their lead in that regard. They have been very good with not reducing grain and should keep things that way.

  41. noel aguirre

    Sorry I meant the 5 star dvd- for some reason I thought it was a blu ray. The colors were way off.
    However I really don't see how the current TSOM Blu is awful. And I only brought up other titles that are far from perfect yet the select few posters that love those are whining about the current TSOM transfer???
    And yes 4K would be nice of course but hopefully without the scrubbed grain and pop colors of the new Grease- which look nothing like what a 70's film looked and not what Grease looked like IMHO.

    Can you point out this "whining" to me? I haven't seen any whining – do you even know what that word means? I've seen people expressing opinions about the current The Sound of Music Blu-ray – opinions – kind of what this board is about. Don't get personal here, really.

  42. haineshisway

    The filters have nothing to do with it – the color is off.

    Complaining/whining? Choose- your pick.
    Posting something not based on fact but solely on your "opinion"?
    And btw your posts consistantly slam others that don't agree with you yet you think I get personal?
    So here's hoping you get your version of TSOM and I get my King and I and Hello Dolly.
    Cheers!

  43. noel aguirre

    Complaining/whining? Choose- your pick.
    Posting something not based on fact but solely on your "opinion"?
    And btw your posts consistantly slam others that don't agree with you yet you think I get personal?
    So here's hoping you get your version of TSOM and I get my King and I and Hello Dolly.
    Cheers!

    We're all posting our opinions. People here have most likely learned which opinions they enjoy reading and which they don't, as with most discussion boards. I don't continually slam anyone, whether their opinions match mine or not. And yes, you got personal and you need to stop – now. Oh, and posting online site reviews? Really? Like those are gospel? One of them is slightly more informed than the other, the other not much informed at all. You think I'm the only one that isn't happy with the current The Sound of Music Blu-ray? Because you would be very wrong. I don't find it a travesty, nor have I ever said that. I said I find the color off – and, for me and others, it is.

    EDIT: I just went through the entire SOM Few Words About… thread. There are exactly six posts from me in that thread – I didn't even enter the thread until six YEARS later. Three of the six posts are one-line posts that I find the color off – there are many who agree with that assessment throughout that endless twenty-six page thread. My other three posts are about other matters, including my little personal reminiscence of Charmian Carr. Funny, there's no berating or even referencing any other posters or their opinions. And I just scanned this thread and I can't see any here either. In fact, you began the only adversarial post in this entire thread – you – directed at – me. Funny. No one has whined here – that was the word you used. Cheers indeed.

  44. I just got back from seeing the national tour of the recent revival of The King and I. It was excellent.

    In preparation for the show I re-watched the first half of the movie on Blu Ray. It was definitely tinted more blue than what I would have expected but it wasn't Cyan.

    I will get the 4K Sound of Music even though I don't have any large issues with the existing disc.

  45. I just got back from seeing the national tour of the recent revival of The King and I. It was excellent.

    In preparation for the show I re-watched the first half of the movie on Blu Ray. It was definitely tinted more blue than what I would have expected but it wasn't Cyan.

    I will get the 4K Sound of Music even though I don't have any large issues with the existing disc.

  46. Wayne_j

    I just got back from seeing the national tour of the recent revival of The King and I. It was excellent.

    In preparation for the show I re-watched the first half of the movie on Blu Ray. It was definitely tinted more blue than what I would have expected but it wasn't Cyan.

    I will get the 4K Sound of Music even though I don't have any large issues with the existing disc.

    Perhaps we should consult Samantha Eggar
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  47. RichMurphy

    The irony of quoting this advertisement in the context of the KING AND I colors is awesome, since Eggar starred as Anna Leonowens opposite Yul Brynner in the 1972 television series ANNA AND THE KING.

    I believe there's a song by Alanis Morrissette …;)

  48. Wayne_j

    I just got back from seeing the national tour of the recent revival of The King and I. It was excellent.

    In preparation for the show I re-watched the first half of the movie on Blu Ray. It was definitely tinted more blue than what I would have expected but it wasn't Cyan.

    I will get the 4K Sound of Music even though I don't have any large issues with the existing disc.

    I preferred seeing Yul Brynner in THE KING AND I on Broadway many years ago.That was a treat to behold

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