Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Blu-ray Review

A rousing Star Wars universe adventure prequel 4 Stars

For those (like me) who were extremely dissatisfied with the three prequel movies which now exist as Episodes 1, 2, and 3, Rogue One feels like the prequel that Star Wars: A New Hope always deserved.

Rogue One (2016)
Released: 16 Dec 2016
Rated: PG-13
Runtime: 133 min
Director: Gareth Edwards
Genre: Action, Adventure, Sci-Fi
Cast: Felicity Jones, Diego Luna, Alan Tudyk, Donnie Yen
Writer(s): Chris Weitz (screenplay), Tony Gilroy (screenplay), John Knoll (story by), Gary Whitta (story by), George Lucas (based on characters created by)
Plot: The Rebel Alliance makes a risky move to steal the plans for the Death Star, setting up the epic saga to follow.
IMDB rating: 8.1
MetaScore: 65

Disc Information
Studio: Disney
Distributed By: N/A
Video Resolution: 1080P/AVC
Aspect Ratio: 2.39.1
Audio: English 7.1 DTS-HDMA, Spanish 5.1 DD, French 5.1 DD
Subtitles: English SDH, Spanish, French
Rating: PG-13
Run Time: 2 Hr. 13 Min.
Package Includes: Blu-ray, DVD, Digital Copy
Case Type: keep case in a slipcover
Disc Type: BD50 (dual layer)
Region: ABC
Release Date: 04/04/2017
MSRP: $39.99

The Production: 4/5

A mix of the new and the familiar gives Gareth Edwards’ Rogue One a curiously unique place among the Star Wars universe. With a fresh group of characters who become thrillingly ingratiating during the two-plus hour film, Rogue One has the obvious feel of a Star Wars movie with all of the expected tropes such an endeavor demands while at the same time seeming a fresh path across familiar terrain to keep viewers engrossed about the fates of characters we’ve come to know and care about.

Situated in the years before the events of A New Hope, Rogue One finds the quasi-orphaned Jyn Erso (Felicity Jones) determined to learn the fate of her father scientist Galen Erso (Mads Mikkelsen) who has been conscripted by the Empire to build a Death Star, a weapon that can destroy entire planets with one fatal strike. Falling in with a scrappy bunch of rebels who see the Death Star in action, Jyn is recruited to join other Alliance rebels who want to try to capture Galen and learn all there is to know about the destructive weapon. Unknown to her, however, rebel force team leader Cassian Andor (Diego Luna) has been ordered to shoot to kill Galen while Empire Director Orson Krennic (Ben Mendelsohn) is also at a point where Galen isn’t of any further use to them either. A hologram of a message from Galen to his daughter explaining his motivations for his actions and the path to the destruction of the Death Star change the entire scenario of the Alliance’s endeavors even though the majority of the Supreme Council are not in favor of any further action against the Empire. Jyn, Cassian, and a few others willing to make the ultimate sacrifice decide to take action on their own, calling their ship Rogue One.

The original story by John Knoll and Gary Whitta based on some writing in the opening crawl of A New Hope has been adapted into a screenplay by Chris Weitz and Tony Gilroy, and these writers have made sure to offer a mix of the old and the new to keep everyone happy with this newest Star Wars confection. Yes, all of the expected ingredients are present: Storm Troopers, the Death Star (with three examples of its destructive power, all of which make for mighty screen spectacles), the outer space dogfights as the Alliance’s home base is inevitably under attack, allusions to The Force which we see only occasionally in practice by one of the appealing new characters in the story – the blind Chirrut Îmwe (Donnie Yen) with his partner Baze Malbus (Wen Jiang), light sabers, and Darth Vader at his most venal. But it’s the new characters and their stories which hook us quickly and carry us along for the topsy-turvy ride. The new droid in town isn’t a cowering, didactic C3-PO clone but rather K-2S0 (voiced by Alan Tudyk) who has more of a warrior mentality amid his quick calculations on their percentage chances for victory and defeat, and the growing attachment between it and heroine Jyn Erso makes for an interesting side trip amid all the planning and battles. Director Gareth Edwards keeps things moving constantly, often suggesting a kind of boots-on-the-ground World War II-style movie showing the grunts rolling up their sleeves and getting the rebellion underway without the sanction of the higher ups in the Alliance and in palm tree-shrouded locations which look nothing like the battlefields in any previous Star Wars film. Though Vader always looms in the background (and Governor Tarkin is likewise present with actor Guy Henry in body and some clever CGI work to help us recall the late Peter Cushing in the role), the real villain of the story is the grasping Orson Krennic determined to put an end to the rebels his way, and the struggle to thwart him is as absorbing as in any of the most successful Star Wars films.

Felicity Jones was a felicitous choice for the film’s protagonist. Not a superwoman nor an unbeatable foe, she uses her natural pluck and determination to get things done and wins us to her side very quickly. Diego Luna’s Cassian Andor remains an enigma for a great deal of the movie until he decides to use his own ideas about right and wrong to make a decision which ultimately pairs him with the other motley crew of rebels. Riz Ahmed as an Alliance defector who becomes the rebel pilot has an engaging presence which along with Donnie Yen and Wen Jiang’s appealing characters gives us a rebel contingent that we can all easily root for. Forest Whitaker has only a few scenes as revolutionary Saw Gerrera who acts as a kind of guardian angel for Jyn, but he’s most effective as is Mads Mikkelsen as Jyn’s father around whom much of the early part of the movie spins. Ben Mendelsohn doesn’t overdue the villainous grimaces and gestures as Orson Krennic. Alan Tudyk is priceless as droid K-2SO. Jimmy Smits has a rather forgettable moment or two as Bail Organa.

Video: 5/5

3D Rating: NA

Reference quality all the way, the theatrical aspect ratio of 2.39:1 is faithfully rendered in a 1080p transfer using the AVC codec. Sharpness is exceptionally crisp and inviting, and color delineation couldn’t be bettered with realistic skin tones. Contrast has been applied with constancy and aplomb, and black levels are rich and deep with excellent details to be seen in the shadows. The movie has been divided into 49 chapters.

A 3D version of the film is being offered as a retailer exclusive at Target and Best Buy but was not sent for review.

Audio: 5/5

The DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 sound design is exactly the sort of sophisticated mix that one expects from today’s sci-fi extravaganzas, and few (outside those who would rather have Atmos or DTS:X) will feel disappointed. Dialogue has been beautifully recorded and has been placed in the center channel. Michael Giacchino’s background score gets full spread through the fronts and rears along with the split atmospheric effects which often whizz across and through the soundstage.

Special Features: 4/5

All of the bonus material is located on a separate disc in the set.

The Stories (1:08:58, HD): ten featurettes which take the viewer from the conception of the idea for the movie’s story to the film’s premiere. Commenting on the film’s production, characters and their portrayers, sets, costumes, and special effects are producers Simon Emanuel, Kathleen Kennedy, Allison Shearmur, John Knoll, Jason D. McGatlin, and Kiri Hart, writer Chris Weitz, production designers Doug Chiang and Neil Lamont, art director Gary Tompkins, costume designers Glyn Dillon and David Crossman, director of photography Greg Fraser, and actors Felicity Jones, Diego Luna, Forest Whitaker, Mads Mikkelsen, Ben Mendelsohn, Riz Ahmed, Donnie Yen, Jiang Wen, and Alan Tudyk. The ten featurettes, which may be watched individually, are as follows:

  • A Rogue Idea
  • Jyn: The Rebel
  • Cassian: The Spy
  • K-2SO: The Droid
  • Baze & Chirrut: Guadians of the Whills
  • Bodhi & Saw: The Pilot and the Revolutionary
  • The Empire
  • Visions of Hope: The Look of Rogue One
  • The Princess & the Governor
  • Epilogue: The Story Continues

Rogue Connections (4:31, HD): a brief look at various Easter eggs planted through the movie pertaining to previous Star Wars adventures.

DVD/Digital Copy: disc and code sheet enclosed in the case.

Overall: 4/5

For those (like me) who were extremely dissatisfied with the three prequel movies which now exist as Episodes 1, 2, and 3, Rogue One feels like the prequel that Star Wars: A New Hope always deserved. It blends into the fabric of that movie with ease and yet stands on its own as a rousing and involving adventure tale (though viewers not familiar with at least A New Hope may have trouble with allusions to a world others will be intimately familiar with). Reference quality picture and sound and a separate disc of bonus material make up an appealing package and garner a strong recommendation.

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Matt Hough

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153 Comments

  1. Johnny Angell

    Is there a consensus on whether BB or Target has the best extras for the 3D version?

    For extras, definitely Target. The Best Buy version has all of the same extras that appear on the standard edition, with the addition of the 3D disc. Only the Target version includes additional exclusive bonus features in addition to the 3D disc.

  2. dpippel

    Be aware that Target's exclusive content is typically only available via streaming. There's no extra disc.

    That's sometimes true, but in this instance, they specifically noted that the extra content will be on an included bonus DVD disc.

    From the website description: "Only at Target: Collectible packaging with interchangeable covers + exclusive content on bonus disc!"

    The Target exclusive "Star Trek Beyond" release from last year also included that bonus material on an additional disc.

  3. dpippel

    Be aware that Target's exclusive content is typically only available via streaming. There's no extra disc.

    That means the content could disappear at any time and that sucks.

    Josh Steinberg

    That's sometimes true, but in this instance, they specifically noted that the extra content will be on an included bonus DVD disc.

    From the website description: "Only at Target: Collectible packaging with interchangeable covers + exclusive content on bonus disc!"

    The Target exclusive "Star Trek Beyond" release from last year also included that bonus material on an additional disc.

    The extra material is only on a dvd, not a blu ray? That sucks too. Is the content usually worth choosing Target over BB?

  4. Johnny Angell

    The extra material is only on a dvd, not a blu ray? That sucks too. Is the content usually worth choosing Target over BB?

    The price is about the same on the Target and Best Buy releases, so your only choice is really – do you want more bonus features or not? The Best Buy set doesn't have any exclusive bonus content, just the same as on the regular release.

    I never care about retail exclusive packaging. I only care about content on disc. Target's version, which includes extra bonus content, is of more value to me than Best Buy's, which does not. YMMV.

  5. Matt:

    Thanks for the review!

    I'm probably one of the few forum members who did NOT get to the theater to see Rogue One. It's comforting to know that with 5 of 5 rankings on audio and video I'll be getting a solid home video presentation to really enjoy this on my gear.

    It looks like the Amazon/Disney spat will force me into a Target or Wal-Mart to pick up this release.

    Count me among those who are surprised they didn't resolve their differences before this week.

  6. Target 3D has the extra bonus DVD, but best guess is that it's only 10+ minutes of material. I actually like Target's package better than Walmart 2D, the std 2D, or BBY steelbook so it was an easy choice esp with the extra preorder $5 GC offer. No theater for me either.

    If they don;t settle quickly this may be in for the long haul — Pinocchio, Doctor Strange, Moana and now Rogue One. There;s just nothing to force their hand for many months. Of course they've already lost all the preorders and no 3D item. My Target 3D just shipped tonight so should be here by Monday night.

    Bambi appears to be a June Release now, but the next big Disney home video will certainly be BatB (2017) then leading candidate Lion King Signature for holiday season plus the summer Disney movie is (Cars3, Pirates 5, Guardians of the Galaxy). I was thinking BATB would be a Fall release, but timing say Summer makes more sense bases on teh last couple years.

  7. So Target Rogue One has a 10-min, Standard Def bonus feature that costs $3?
    How do they even make standard material anymore? Doesn't that take extra work to film in HD and then down-res to SD?

    Is there any rational explanation from this?

  8. DaveF

    So Target Rogue One has a 10-min, Standard Def bonus feature that costs $3?
    How do they even make standard material anymore? Doesn't that take extra work to film in HD and then down-res to SD?

    Is there any rational explanation from this?

    The down-rezzing to SD is a very quick process. I don't think the running time of the Target bonuses has been confirmed yet, but it wouldn't take longer than real-time to do that conversion. Any footage shot in any format is going to end up being converted in some way when it's encoded for DVD or BD.

    My guess is that DVD was the lowest-common denominator, so doing it as a DVD bonus meant that it could also be included with a Target-exclusive DVD, had they decided to make one. It also could have been about expense: BDs are more expensive to manufacture than DVDs, so they could have been trying to save money. As an additional possibility, there are less replication lines available for BD than DVD, so they may not have been able to arrange to get it manufactured in time.

    My guess is that it was simply a penny-pinching gesture. When Paramount released a Target-exclusive version of Star Trek Beyond, that included exclusive bonus material on a BD disc. But in general, with Disney-owned Target exclusives, the bonus content has been digital-only, compared to releases from other studios, which generally provided an extra bonus disc. (With the Target exclusive Force Awakens release, the extra content was indeed digital-only.) There may have been a little bit of backlash about that among customers who were expecting an extra disc and couldn't find it, so this might be a way to cheaply rectify that. But, like most of these decisions, I'm fairly sure that no one will ever discuss it on the record, so we'll never know for sure.

  9. Josh Steinberg

    The down-rezzing to SD is a very quick process. I don't think the running time of the Target bonuses has been confirmed yet, but it wouldn't take longer than real-time to do that conversion. Any footage shot in any format is going to end up being converted in some way when it's encoded for DVD or BD.
    e.

    Hopefully the run time and general contents should be confirmed tonight. The guess was based on posts made in some the pre-release websites about the expected content and runtimes on teh international releases.

    First reports are now coming in from at least one person who got delivery today. On first glance it looks to be a decent match to the TFA 3D Edition.

    EDIT– confirmed content of Disc 5
    Bonus Disc:
    Inside The Creature Shop: 6:02
    Digital Storytelling: 4:31

  10. WillG

    Not sure 10 min is worth an extra 3 bucks. Will Target price match Best Buy?

    They'll say it's not the same item as Best Buy since there's different packaging and it doesn't have the bonus disc. Depending on how big of a public scene you're willing to make, a manager might knock the $3 off just to keep you happy. 🙂

  11. Thank you for the review Matt, I very much enjoy reading your reviews.

    Just like Force Awakens I really want this movie as well but as my collection grows and with finances not as good as they used to be. It becomes harder and harder to justify double dipping titles like I have done in the past. I have been upgrading some titles that are already in the library but I no longer wish to purchase new titles only to turn around and upgrade/replace them with 4K UHD versions. I am almost ready to go ahead and purchase Force Awakens only for the reason that it came out in 3D and I know the 4K version will not include the 3D blu-ray version. But I am hoping that Disney will start releasing 4K UHD titles hopefully by the end of the year so we can own Star Wars in 4K. I really do want this movie and it is going to suck having to wait till Disney joins the other studios in releasing 4K UHD.

  12. TravisR

    They'll say it's not the same item as Best Buy since there's different packaging and it doesn't have the bonus disc. Depending on how big of a public scene you're willing to make, a manager might knock the $3 off just to keep you happy. 🙂

    Yeah, I figured that would probably be the case.

  13. Are folks buying the 2D or 3D version? I’m tempted by the $20 BB 2D version. $25 for 3D is not a bad price, but I’m not sure I care about 3D for Star Wars. And BestBuy is cheaper than Target (I’d have paid for the bonus in HD, but not SD. Seriously, it’s 2017.)

    Of course, my movie library outstrips my viewing, so maybe I ignore this until Christmas and buy it for $15 🙂

  14. Todd H

    Same here. Guess Amazon doesn't want my money.

    Josh Steinberg

    For extras, definitely Target. The Best Buy version has all of the same extras that appear on the standard edition, with the addition of the 3D disc. Only the Target version includes additional exclusive bonus features in addition to the 3D disc.

    And thanks to this info from Josh and this thread, I will NOT be buying the DMC release of RO (declining my Featured Title selection). Instead I will opt for the Target 3D version even though I don't have a 3D set (though two of my 4 Blu-ray players have 3D capability). For that day when 3D might again be widely available or I may opt to add a 3rd TV as a 3D set.

    Checking eBay or other search engines to see if there are any earlier Vizio 55M series around with 3D I could pick up cheaply.

  15. cb1

    Like I asked for The Force Awakens, How was the 3D for Rogue One? I saw the move in the theater in 2D.

    I viewed it in 3D the first weekend and was unimpressed.
    It adds depth only; that's about it.

    By comparison, the TFA 3D is much more impressive.

    I'm probably not going to make a decision on the 3D Blu-ray purchase until Tuesday morning; but right now I'm leaning toward the 2D iteration.

  16. Forgive me if this has already been answered. Are there two versions of the Target BD for Rogue One, one with collectible packaging and multiple covers and a cheaper one with the bonus disc but basic packaging?

  17. Carabimero

    Forgive me if this has already been answered. Are there two versions of the Target BD for Rogue One, one with collectible packaging and multiple covers and a cheaper one with the bonus disc but basic packaging?

    One version. Target will probably have the standard version onsale as well, but that won't include the bonus disc.

  18. Sam Posten

    Seriously, any other consideration than the Best Buy 3d Steelbook at 24.99 is wrooooong guys =)

    You're probably right. My experience and personal opinion about the added bonus content is that it is much ado about very little, if not nothing.

  19. The Target Exclusive for me. The interchangeable covers and bonus disc (even on DVD) beats out the Best Buy SteelBook.
    And I got a $5 gift card with my pre-order, so it was cheaper as well.
    YMMV if you are partial to SteelBooks and don't care for the two short extras on a DVD.

  20. Tomorrow morning will mark a long time since I have been waiting outside a brick-and-mortar store for them to open so I can buy disc-based media….but I used to do it every Tuesday, and usually spend $100+….

  21. Carabimero

    Tomorrow morning will mark a long time since I have been waiting outside a brick-and-mortar store for them to open so I can buy disc-based media….but I used to do it every Tuesday, and usually spend $100+….

    I won't be at Target when they open but I'll be there somewhat early in the morning.

    And yeah, 15 years ago I spent money on DVDs like there was no tomorrow. Nowadays, I still spend money without thought but it's much less. 🙂

  22. TravisR

    I won't be at Target when they open but I'll be there somewhat early in the morning.

    And yeah, 15 years ago I spent money on DVDs like there was no tomorrow. Nowadays, I still spend money without thought but it's much less. 🙂

    Same here … But back in those days I was all about the Suncoast Preorders and membership discount points! (Talk about spending some money …!!!)

  23. Carabimero

    My wife and I are watching Rogue One tomorrow and immediately following we're screening Harmy's Despecialized Star Wars 720p. 🙂 She's very excited to watch them back to back.

    The "Silver Screen" edition is even better than the "Despecalized".
    Harmy even stated not to bother with his version he was so impressed with the "Silver Screen". I saw it and have to agree. Amazing.

  24. Bryan^H

    The "Silver Screen" edition is even better than the "Despecalized".
    Harmy even stated not to bother with his version he was so impressed with the "Silver Screen". I saw it and have to agree. Amazing.

    Thanks for the heads up. I got it and spot checked it. From what I can tell the restore efforts were valiant. It's definitely sharper, but to my eye it seems more contrasty and overexposed in bright scenes (3PO against the desert dunes at the beginning looks almost colorless and washed out to me). A sharper image, to be sure, but Harmy's version seems warmer to me and reminds me more of how the film looked in the theater in 1977. There's a lot of grain in the Silver Screen version. And while grain is not necessarily a bad thing, it jumped at me more than Harmy's. That's the clarity tradeoff. I think I'll stick with Harmy, despite the Silver Screen edition being clearer. Also, while I appreciate the original film marks, matte lines and boxes, I preferred them removed in Harmy's version.

    But thanks again for the heads up. Nice to know a sharper alternative is out there. I've got the 21GB Team Negative 1 35mm version and plan to burn it to a BD-25. 🙂

  25. I got my BD of RO from Target. Haven't watched it yet, but from the outside packaging alone, there's no indication there's a Target extra. Granted, I bought the standard edition, not the collectible packaging, but frankly, if I have to buy the collectible packaging to get the extra, after Dr. Strange, I do not want it.

    Edit: No extras on the DVD at all. And no Target exclusive on my BD.

    (Interesting that CGI Tarkin is not featured on ANY of the package or disc art. He was a major character).

    Update: Returned my set to Target and got a replacement. It seems the bonus disc was simply missing from my set.

  26. I just got done with my Target Collectible Edition and it looked superb on my OLED with 3-D and my HDR Medium setting. I now watch all programming and discs with my HDR setting activated. Just reference quality to me. Some people complained about the CGI faces of Fisher and Cushing, but I had no issues with them during my disc viewing.

  27. Robert Crawford

    I just got done with my Target Collectible Edition and it looked superb on my OLED with 3-D and my HDR Medium setting. I now watch all programming and discs with my HDR setting activated. Just reference quality to me. Some people complained about the CGI faces of Fisher and Cushing, but I had no issues with them during my disc viewing.

    Yeah…

    It must be good to be retired. 😀

  28. For the nerdy, the timing of the end credits & the music are the same as the theaters so this is the first Star Wars movie to come to Blu-ray in its original theatrical version. Eighth time is the charm.

    For the super nerdy, the Aurebesh (the language seen in the Star Wars universe) lettering on the box of the Target exclusive edition is just random letters and doesn't actually spell anything.

  29. Robert Crawford

    I just got done with my Target Collectible Edition and it looked superb on my OLED with 3-D and my HDR Medium setting. I now watch all programming and discs with my HDR setting activated. Just reference quality to me. Some people complained about the CGI faces of Fisher and Cushing, but I had no issues with them during my disc viewing.

    When I watched it theatrically, if I had not known, I wouldn't have thought Cushing was all cgi. Carrie, however, was very cgi-ish, very artificial, IMHO.

  30. TravisR

    For the nerdy, the timing of the end credits & the music are the same as the theaters so this is the first Star Wars movie to come to Blu-ray in its original theatrical version. Eighth time is the charm.

    For the super nerdy, the Aurebesh (the language seen in the Star Wars universe) lettering on the box of the Target exclusive edition is just random letters and doesn't actually spell anything.

    I would not have minded if they had put the Star Wars opening credit crawl into the blu ray.

  31. Carabimero

    I got my BD of RO from Target. Haven't watched it yet, but from the outside packaging alone, there's no indication there's a Target extra. Granted, I bought the standard edition, not the collectible packaging, but frankly, if I have to buy the collectible packaging to get the extra, after Dr. Strange, I do not want it.

    Edit: No extras on the DVD at all. And no Target exclusive on my BD.

    (Interesting that CGI Tarkin is not featured on ANY of the package or disc art. He was a major character).

    Update: Returned my set to Target and got a replacement. It seems the bonus disc was simply missing from my set.

    All versions include the movie on BD, a second BD with bonus features, and a DVD copy of the movie, for a total of three discs. The Best Buy steelbook includes all of that, plus a 3D BD, for a total for four discs. The Target limited edition with special packaging includes the movie on BD, a second BD with bonus features, the movie on 3D BD, a DVD copy of the movie, and an extra DVD with the exclusive bonus features, for a total of five discs.

    Only the Target set in collectible packaging includes the additional, exclusive DVD bonus disc.

    For what it's worth, I absolutely loathe the packaging, but I hate steelbooks too and I was only interested in a 3D release of the movie. Since they were priced about the same, I went with the Target for its extra features.

  32. I'm not a fan of stacking discs on top of each other in a case, so after I got my replacement set that had the feature disc stacked on top of the bonus disc, I transferred the outer sleeve to a 3-disc blu-ray case and moved my discs over.

    They are much happier. And I will sleep better.

  33. Just finished watching it with the wife.

    She hated it. Thought it was a pointless mess. She's tough.

    I thought the disc looked great like Crawdaddy said. I too watched it on my OLED. Looked amazing.

    3D was same as it was in the theater. Just ok. And the cgi Tarkin and Leia really looked worse on video.

    Still feel the same about the film. Messy first and second acts with a terrific third act.

  34. Josh Steinberg

    I'm watching it now and one thing that immediately jumped out at me was the first Cushing scene. When I saw it in theaters, I was almost convinced by the illusion. On the disc, it just looks animated to me.

    To me, it was the same as the theater- I bought it in a medium shot but it looked like CG in the close-ups.

  35. Picked up rogue one at barnes and nobles today. I had a $25 gift card, 25% discount took it to $5.

    They are crazy expensive!

    Looking forward to watching it!
    I saw it in 2d twice theatrically. I love the film. I was a bit confused during the first act the first time I saw it.

  36. I picked up the Target exclusive and watched the 2D version this afternoon. I found that liked it much more on the second go-around. My theatrical viewing was meh, but it connected with me better this time. Not great (Forrest Whitaker!!) but pretty entertaining. The Vader bits are still awesome.

  37. There are moments when Tarkin almost looks believable, and then there are certain moments, especially in his final scene with Krennic, when Tarkin's eyes are just not right. Not even close to believable.

    Leia to me looks better than Tarkin but IMHO the lighting on her is right for episode IV and wrong for Rogue One.

  38. When and if Disney finally releases the 4K UHD version you can bet that it will only include the standard 2D blu-ray and no 3D version. As far as audio goes I do not care if it is DTS-X or Dolby Atmos and if nether at least a 7.1 lossless track will be just fine.

  39. TravisR

    To me, it was the same as the theater- I bought it in a medium shot but it looked like CG in the close-ups.

    I thought the CGI faces looked better in my home viewing than when I viewed it in the movie theater.

  40. I agree with Robert.
    I just finished a viewing on my front projector system and felt that the CGI — especially for Tarkin — seemed more effective at home than in the theater.

    The movie remains as a very strong entry into the Star Wars EU for me; and I actually enjoyed this viewing more than my first two theatrical viewings.

  41. Regarding the special features on the disc, of course there's stuff that I wanted to see more of (deleted scenes) or know more about (although no current movie is going to talk about its reshoots) but I thought what was there was actually pretty good. The reality is that special features are basically dead and I can't think of the last modern movie that I bought that even had 80 minutes of special features. Given that, the special features aren't really that lacking in my opinion.

  42. Josh Steinberg

    All versions include the movie on BD, a second BD with bonus features, and a DVD copy of the movie, for a total of three discs.

    Dang! I had not idea the two BR's were stacked. I don't think I have ever had a BR release come that way before. I guess I would have discovered it when I got around the playing R1, but it would have been a total surprise.

  43. Brian L

    Dang! I had not idea the two BR's were stacked. I don't think I have ever had a BR release come that way before. I guess I would have discovered it when I got around the playing R1, but it would have been a total surprise.

    I actually moved my discs to a 3-disc BD case and transferred the sleeve. There is no universe in which stacked discs are acceptable to me, and to have Disney do it in a major release is appalling.

    TravisR

    Regarding the special features on the disc, of course there's stuff that I wanted to see more of (deleted scenes) or know more about (although no current movie is going to talk about its reshoots) but I thought what was there was actually pretty good. The reality is that special features are basically dead and I can't think of the last modern movie that I bought that even had 80 minutes of special features. Given that, the special features aren't really that lacking in my opinion.

    It's not that the special features were bad; in my opinion they were all superficial and surface. I didn't really learn much. And I'm not sure it's true to say no current movie talks about its reshoots. The special features on THE HOBBIT trilogy are hours and hours (and hours!), and they go beneath the surface where everything is not rosy. The fact is, the RO bonus features might have been 80 minutes, but to me, it's not length, it's quality. They were vanilla. And I doubt I'll ever watch them again.

    On another subject, one of my problems with the ending is when Vader is on his Star Destroyer and the general says that the rebel's flagship ship is damaged and received transmissions from the planet. Vader should have simply destroyed the ship. He outgunned it 20-to-1. But since they couldn't do that for obvious reasons, they needed a bit of dialogue to explain. Something like this would have worked nicely.

    "Should I destroy the ship, Lord Vader?"
    "No. Leave them to me. Prepare a boarding party."

    That's all it would have taken. Let Vader's ego be the culprit, not bad writing, which, sadly, plagued so much of this movie–and, like the above example, could have been so easily fixed.

  44. With respect, this has been a standard packaging configuring for several years – Disney has put out titles in this format since at least 2012's set of "Marvel's The Avengers". Warner has put out titles in this format since at least 2013's set of "Man Of Steel". "The Force Awakens" was also delivered in the same type of plastic case for the initial BD+DVD pack.

    Blu-ray discs have a scratch resistant coating on the surface that should make the stacking a non-issue. I have several DVD releases also in this packaging configuration, and those discs don't include extra scratch coating and are still fine. When I worked at a small home video label, I discovered that the replicators/manufacturers also stack discs in this fashion when they come off the line and are waiting to be packed into cases. When discs are press, they're put onto spindles stacking them like these hubs, and they'll stay that way until the manufacturer needs to assemble more sets.

    I don't mean to be disagreeable or to argue for the sake of arguing, but for me, this style of packaging is a non-issue.

  45. Josh Steinberg

    With respect, this has been a standard packaging configuring for several years – Disney has put out titles in this format since at least 2012's set of "Marvel's The Avengers". Warner has put out titles in this format since at least 2013's set of "Man Of Steel". "The Force Awakens" was also delivered in the same type of plastic case for the initial BD+DVD pack.

    I have bought every release you mentioned, and none of my sets had stacked discs, until RO. And while I realize BDs are scratch resistant, they should not be stacked. Period. If for no other reason, they make them hard to get to.

  46. Carabimero

    I have bought every release you mentioned, and none of my sets had stacked discs, until RO. And while I realize BDs are scratch resistant, they should not be stacked. Period.

    Stacking sucks, if only for the inconvenience.

  47. Carabimero

    I have bought every release you mentioned, and none of my sets had stacked discs, until RO.

    Iron Man 3 3D edition is in a stacked case, Man Of Steel 3D is in a stacked case – 2D editions may be different. The standard retail edition of The Force Awakens is in a stacked case. (The Target and Best Buy exclusive packaging versions may be different.)

    Carabimero

    And while I realize BDs are scratch resistant, they should not be stacked. Period.

    I respectfully disagree. There's no technical reason they can't. They're stored that way at the manufacturer, which suggests to me that it's part of acceptable/normal treatment for the discs. And I will gladly take the single case space The Force Awakens style of stacking over the monstrosity that is the Rogue One Target edition, which takes up more space than the Star Wars six movie set.

    But look, I really don't want to argue. I don't see them as a problem for me, but I can understand if they're not to your preferences. The point I was trying to make was that this style of packaging is neither new to the industry nor new to Disney. This was not a decision that Disney made specifically with regards to Rogue One but simply how they have been packaging multi-disc sets for some time now.

  48. Josh Steinberg

    Iron Man 3 3D edition is in a stacked case, Man Of Steel 3D is in a stacked case – 2D editions may be different. The standard retail edition of The Force Awakens is in a stacked case. (The Target and Best Buy exclusive packaging versions may be different.)

    I respectfully disagree. There's no technical reason they can't. They're stored that way at the manufacturer, which suggests to me that it's part of acceptable/normal treatment for the discs. And I will gladly take the single case space The Force Awakens style of stacking over the monstrosity that is the Rogue One Target edition, which takes up more space than the Star Wars six movie set.

    We can agree to disagree on that one. The entire principle of a case is designed to keep the disc from touching the surface. The only reason to stack discs is out of cheapness. And as I and someone else said, it's also damned inconvenient.

  49. Looking forward to getting this one. Saw it twice in the theater and loved every minute of it didn't think anything was messy. I liked this one much better than the Force Awakens which I liked but I did find that a messy film with too many characters I couldn't get into. Hopefully that changes for me with Episode 8.

  50. I mean to be disagreeable and aim to misbehave today, for the following simple reason: in Canada, the 3D version of Rogue One is a Best Buy exclusive, exclusive to the SteelBook packaging, and currently SOLD OUT. Normally, that wouldn't be a problem, but with the Canadian $ currently in the crapper, importing from the States is not only expensive, but bloody impossible, because bestbuy.com will not ship to Canada, and the Target version is an in-store exclusive. I've ordered from the UK, but (a) it doesn't come out there until the 10th; and (b) Amazon is currently indicating it's a region B disc. Ugh. Only 16.99 pounds sterling though, which averages out to $25 Cdn once I added Monsters, Inc. 3D and Jungle Book 3D to my order [they've got the Disney 3D 2 for 17 pounds offer going again].

  51. Carabimero

    It's not that the special features were bad; in my opinion they were all superficial and surface. I didn't really learn much. And I'm not sure it's true to say no current movie talks about its reshoots. The special features on THE HOBBIT trilogy are hours and hours (and hours!), and they go beneath the surface where everything is not rosy. The fact is, the RO bonus features might have been 80 minutes, but to me, it's not length, it's quality. They were vanilla. And I doubt I'll ever watch them again.

    Those criticisms can be made of nearly every other modern release though. While Peter Jackson has real documentaries for his movies, that's certainly the exception to the rule and I'd bet that even on his next movie, there will be alot less since the day of 'real' special features is basically over.

  52. I think I am particularly miffed because Disney scrubbed the MAKING OF books–and it shows in the shallow special features.

    I'm hoping when Episode VIII is made professionally, without all the excessive reshoots, we'll get even more. 🙂

  53. Carabimero

    I think I am particularly miffed because Disney scrubbed the MAKING OF books–and it shows in the shallow special features.

    I'm hoping when Episode VIII is made professionally, without all the excessive reshoots, we'll get even more. 🙂

    Amazon has a listing for 'Making Rogue One- A Star Wars Story: A Behind-The-Scenes Oral History' book coming this October (which, I'm sure, will be self-censored by the interviewees and then worked over with a fine tooth comb by Disney legal). Also, I'm keeping hope for a making-of the sequel trilogy book after Episode IX comes out.

  54. Stephen_J_H

    I mean to be disagreeable and aim to misbehave today, for the following simple reason: in Canada, the 3D version of Rogue One is a Best Buy exclusive, exclusive to the SteelBook packaging, and currently SOLD OUT. Normally, that wouldn't be a problem, but with the Canadian $ currently in the crapper, importing from the States is not only expensive, but bloody impossible, because bestbuy.com will not ship to Canada, and the Target version is an in-store exclusive. I've ordered from the UK, but (a) it doesn't come out there until the 10th; and (b) Amazon is currently indicating it's a region B disc. Ugh. Only 16.99 pounds sterling though, which averages out to $25 Cdn once I added Monsters, Inc. 3D and Jungle Book 3D to my order [they've got the Disney 3D 2 for 17 pounds offer going again].

    Amazon rarely ever changes things to region free until after release and even then it's 50/50. 98% chance this will be region free like pretty much all new Disney releases.

    Can't help on the other issues — I looked at shipping a Target Exclusive to Canada and even getting them for $21USD with discounts I couldn't figure a way to get it there for much under $50CAD. Cheapest shipping for a 450gm package is $15USD now. The UK route is certainly less expensive

  55. David Norman

    Amazon rarely ever changes things to region free until after release and even then it's 50/50. 98% chance this will be region free like pretty much all new Disney releases.

    Can't help on the other issues — I looked at shipping a Target Exclusive to Canada and even getting them for $21USD with discounts I couldn't figure a way to get it there for much under $50CAD. Cheapest shipping for a 450gm package is $15USD now. The UK route is certainly less expensive

    Indeed. My total, including shipping, is under $75 for all 3, even with 2 separate shipments. It's nice to watch when the VAT comes off as well.

  56. Carabimero

    If the Dr. Strange release is any indication, Amazon will be selling Rogue One in a few days, if they aren't already.

    Doesn't really help if he wants the US 3D release, plus even though Amazon intermittently took orders fro Doctor Strange and Moana, shipments often wer delayed weeks. I'm still not sure everyone who even managed to get an order in for Doctor Strange 3D has been shipped yet.

  57. Carabimero

    If the Dr. Strange release is any indication, Amazon will be selling Rogue One in a few days, if they aren't already.

    Amazon already has third party sellers of the BB/Target exclusives, but the prices are ridiculous. Even if the Target edition was shipping to Canada, I was looking at $50 before shipping.

  58. Carabimero

    It's not that the special features were bad; in my opinion they were all superficial and surface. I didn't really learn much. And I'm not sure it's true to say no current movie talks about its reshoots. The special features on THE HOBBIT trilogy are hours and hours (and hours!), and they go beneath the surface where everything is not rosy. The fact is, the RO bonus features might have been 80 minutes, but to me, it's not length, it's quality. They were vanilla. And I doubt I'll ever watch them again.

    The Hobbit movies weren't made by Disney. Disney is extremely image conscious. And on top of that, they almost certainly had to push people into sweat shop conditions to get the movie completed on time.

    You will never hear the real story behind Rogue One (at least until people involved are well retired)

  59. TravisR

    Amazon has a listing for 'Making Rogue One- A Star Wars Story: A Behind-The-Scenes Oral History' book coming this October (which, I'm sure, will be self-censored by the interviewees and then worked over with a fine tooth comb by Disney legal). Also, I'm keeping hope for a making-of the sequel trilogy book after Episode IX comes out.

    Yep, Oral histories are usually tame to begin with. This will be much more sanitized.

  60. Stephen_J_H

    Amazon already has third party sellers of the BB/Target exclusives, but the prices are ridiculous. Even if the Target edition was shipping to Canada, I was looking at $50 before shipping.

    I forget how lucky we are to live about 60 minutes from the border. We go to the US often, and do most of our shopping there. Even with the drop in the Canadian dollar, prices, if you are carefull, are still less expensive. My wife tells me craft stores like Michaels still sell most of their products 50% less than CDN.
    Today at Target, the Rogue 1 — 5 disc set was $27.95. We also have a Target credit card, which took off another 5%. This set is completely unobtainable in CDN stores. It has beautiful packaging imo, and beats the tin box Best Buy version hands down.

  61. WillG

    You will never hear the real story behind Rogue One (at least until people involved are well retired)

    I don't mean to argue, but I feel like we basically have. It starts with the studio deciding that there will be a release in December 2016 no matter what. It continues with the hiring of Gareth Edwards, a promising but unproven director, to film the script they haven't yet completed. He films that script and it doesn't work because the script wasn't any good, and Edwards doesn't have the clout or experience to realize what's going wrong and to throw the brakes on. He assembles his cut as best he can, but with an incomplete script and deadline, there's not much more he can do. The studio executives view the first cut and realize it doesn't work. They rush to hire Tony Gilroy, the man who quietly rewrote and redirected Edwards's last film, Godzilla, to do the same here. Gilroy fleshes out the plot and characters as much as possible within about a month, and works with Edwards to direct the reshoots. Gilroy manages to construct enough of a framework to make some of the Edwards footage salvageable, and the film just barely makes its release date. It's not acclaimed or beloved by anyone, but given the vast marketing push and wide opening, it does well enough and doesn't sink the ship.

    The specifics are up for grab, but I'm willing to believe that's more or less the story.

  62. Josh Steinberg

    I don't mean to argue, but I feel like we basically have. It starts with the studio deciding that there will be a release in December 2016 no matter what. It continues with the hiring of Gareth Edwards, a promising but unproven director, to film the script they haven't yet completed. He films that script and it doesn't work because the script wasn't any good, and Edwards doesn't have the clout or experience to realize what's going wrong and to throw the brakes on. He assembles his cut as best he can, but with an incomplete script and deadline, there's not much more he can do. The studio executives view the first cut and realize it doesn't work. They rush to hire Tony Gilroy, the man who quietly rewrote and redirected Edwards's last film, Godzilla, to do the same here. Gilroy fleshes out the plot and characters as much as possible within about a month, and works with Edwards to direct the reshoots. Gilroy manages to construct enough of a framework to make some of the Edwards footage salvageable, and the film just barely makes its release date. It's not acclaimed or beloved by anyone, but given the vast marketing push and wide opening, it does well enough and doesn't sink the ship.

    The specifics are up for grab, but I'm willing to believe that's more or less the story.

    Yes, but I want your above summation to get the "Rinzler treatment," so to speak. I want some quality journalism to flesh out the story. Too bad Lucasfilm didn't keep Rinzler and let him do his thing.

  63. Josh Steinberg

    I don't mean to argue, but I feel like we basically have. It starts with the studio deciding that there will be a release in December 2016 no matter what. It continues with the hiring of Gareth Edwards, a promising but unproven director, to film the script they haven't yet completed. He films that script and it doesn't work because the script wasn't any good, and Edwards doesn't have the clout or experience to realize what's going wrong and to throw the brakes on. He assembles his cut as best he can, but with an incomplete script and deadline, there's not much more he can do. The studio executives view the first cut and realize it doesn't work. They rush to hire Tony Gilroy, the man who quietly rewrote and redirected Edwards's last film, Godzilla, to do the same here. Gilroy fleshes out the plot and characters as much as possible within about a month, and works with Edwards to direct the reshoots. Gilroy manages to construct enough of a framework to make some of the Edwards footage salvageable, and the film just barely makes its release date. It's not acclaimed or beloved by anyone, but given the vast marketing push and wide opening, it does well enough and doesn't sink the ship.

    The specifics are up for grab, but I'm willing to believe that's more or less the story.

    That's a harsher assessment of the movie than I would have but I agree with the idea of the behind the scenes hubbub. I even think the reshoots and deleted scenes seem pretty cut and dry. They probably reshot alot of the first half (which explains why it feels choppy) to make sure that the story was always moving and that they were explaining what everyone was doing. For the second half of the movie, the trailer showed Jyn and Cassian running in the Imperial building and then on the beach and I think they simply reshot that to make it simpler. They probably originally had to go from one building to get the plans and to another to transmit them and after the reshoots, they simplified things by having them steal the plans and transmit them from the the same building. All that being said, I'd still like to see the scenes.

    One area that I have to give this movie credit is in knowing how to keep the pace up. If this movie had been 15 minutes longer, I think it could have been a disaster. They made the smart choice of keeping the first half of the movie moving fast until it got to the heist when the movie starts firing on all cylinders (for me anyway). The characters aren't fleshed out and the first half of the movie might feel like it's a video game where it's just next mission, next mission, next mission but I'll take that over the way I feel with alot of big action movies today where it seems like the filmmakers are in love with their work and won't cut anything even though it drags the movie to a crawl.

  64. TravisR

    Regarding the special features on the disc, of course there's stuff that I wanted to see more of (deleted scenes) or know more about (although no current movie is going to talk about its reshoots) but I thought what was there was actually pretty good. The reality is that special features are basically dead and I can't think of the last modern movie that I bought that even had 80 minutes of special features. Given that, the special features aren't really that lacking in my opinion.

    You might be right.

    I'm disappointed to not have the audio commentaries for the force awakens and one for rogue one.

  65. Osato

    I'm disappointed to not have the audio commentaries for the force awakens and one for rogue one.

    There is a commentary for The Force Awakens on the collector's edition re-release at least. But then you're stuck buying TFA a second time. If you're 3D-capable, that was an essential purchase anyway, but to rebuy the movie for a 2D-only setup would be obnoxious.

    TJPC

    How about being forced to redeem a downloaded version to get a commentary on the last Star Trek movie?

    At least the code was included as part of your purchase so it didn't cost any extra to view that bonus feature. Considering they did the exact same thing with Star Trek Into Darkness, it's not that surprising that they did it again. It seems clear that while we, the HTF consumer, view Blu-ray as the most prestigious and deluxe format, the studios are starting to see them as also-rans.

  66. Josh Steinberg

    I don't mean to argue, but I feel like we basically have. It starts with the studio deciding that there will be a release in December 2016 no matter what. It continues with the hiring of Gareth Edwards, a promising but unproven director, to film the script they haven't yet completed. He films that script and it doesn't work because the script wasn't any good, and Edwards doesn't have the clout or experience to realize what's going wrong and to throw the brakes on. He assembles his cut as best he can, but with an incomplete script and deadline, there's not much more he can do. The studio executives view the first cut and realize it doesn't work. They rush to hire Tony Gilroy, the man who quietly rewrote and redirected Edwards's last film, Godzilla, to do the same here. Gilroy fleshes out the plot and characters as much as possible within about a month, and works with Edwards to direct the reshoots. Gilroy manages to construct enough of a framework to make some of the Edwards footage salvageable, and the film just barely makes its release date. It's not acclaimed or beloved by anyone, but given the vast marketing push and wide opening, it does well enough and doesn't sink the ship.

    The specifics are up for grab, but I'm willing to believe that's more or less the story.

    Carabimero

    Yes, but I want your above summation to get the "Rinzler treatment," so to speak. I want some quality journalism to flesh out the story. Too bad Lucasfilm didn't keep Rinzler and let him do his thing.

    True, that's probably the basic framework of the story, but how much of that has Disney candidly admitted to?

    When I say, you'll never know the story, I mean the nitty gritty that Disney will never cop to. Things like how much of a PR crisis it must have been for Disney, the limits people were pushed to make the release date, how stockholders were kept calm etc.

    Disney's version of it still seems to be "We did some reshoots, but nothing out of the ordinary and also because we came up with an awesome last minute idea to add Vader at the end…..We're not having deleted scenes (despite having them for every other SW movie release) because it's just clips of unfinished stuff." etc.

    At least they didn't withhold 3D this time.

  67. WillG

    When I say, you'll never know the story, I mean the nitty gritty that Disney will never cop to. Things like how much of a PR crisis it must have been for Disney, the limits people were pushed to make the release date, how stockholders were kept calm etc.

    Maybe I'm just incredibly naive, but I don't think it was an end-of-the-world problem. I don't think the shareholders are as concerned with individual titles; if anything, I think I recall hearing from a shareholder call that Iger had to remind people that the grosses for The Force Awakens were a once in a lifetime phenomenon that couldn't be repeated and to not expect that. If they hadn't finished the reshoots in time and had to postpone, it wouldn't have been like a week away, it would have been months away, and they could have survived it. I think I read that Gilroy got paid $1 million a week for his work, which suggests that he was probably eating and sleeping on set and in the edit room.

    I agree it's an interesting story and I'd also enjoy a formal retelling of it, but if that never comes, I think the journalism that did come out tells a pretty complete picture. It might be worthwhile for someone someday to write a book about it – if it doesn't use pictures, it can be written as a scholarly document which would allow it to be fair use and not require licensing to publish, that would be a cool project.

  68. Josh Steinberg

    I don't think the shareholders are as concerned with individual titles; if anything, I think I recall hearing from a shareholder call that Iger had to remind people that the grosses for The Force Awakens were a once in a lifetime phenomenon that couldn't be repeated and to not expect that.

    I do think though that if R1 failed, it would have shaken confidence.

    Colin Jacobson

    That's a fun idea – I wonder how they'll play when viewed like that!

    I have a bad feeling about this. I shared my opinion on it in either this thread or one of the others, but I see some logical problems with having ANH take place immediately after R1. I think it would have made more sense if ANH starts a few weeks or so after R1 and that Tantive IV wasn't the ship that escaped from Scarif.

    Basically it boils down to: How did Vader know that Tantive IV was headed to Tattoine? And how did Vader essentially beat them there?

    Vader says the plans were "beamed" to Tantive IV

    Why does Antilles and Leia claim to be on a diplomatic mission when they had just escaped from Scarif, which gives them not even an illusion of deniability.

  69. Josh Steinberg

    I don't think the shareholders are as concerned with individual titles; if anything, I think I recall hearing from a shareholder call that Iger had to remind people that the grosses for The Force Awakens were a once in a lifetime phenomenon that couldn't be repeated and to not expect that.

    I do think though that if R1 failed, it would have shaken confidence.

    Colin Jacobson

    That's a fun idea – I wonder how they'll play when viewed like that!

    I have a bad feeling about this. I shared my opinion on it in either this thread or one of the others, but I see some logical problems with having ANH take place immediately after R1. I think it would have made more sense if ANH starts a few weeks or so after R1 and that Tantive IV wasn't the ship that escaped from Scarif.

    Basically it boils down to: How did Vader know that Tantive IV was headed to Tattoine? And how did Vader essentially beat them there?

    Vader says the plans were "beamed" to Tantive IV

    Why does Antilles and Leia claim to be on a diplomatic mission when they had just escaped from Scarif, which gives them not even an illusion of deniability.

  70. WillG

    Basically it boils down to: How did Vader know that Tantive IV was headed to Tattoine?

    Vader tortured or threatened the captives on the Rebel flagship until they gave up the information. I'm sure it wouldn't take long for him to get people to talk.

    And how did Vader essentially beat them there?

    A Star Destroyer is faster than a Blockade Runner.

    Vader says the plans were "beamed" to Tantive IV

    I think it's fair to say that Vader didn't feel a need to be specific and say "Several transmissions were beamed to the Rebel flagship. I want to know what happened to the plans that were then copied and given to you." It's not as if she would be confused as to what he's talking about if he uses a shorthand. It's worth noting that in ANH, they also refer to the "stolen data tapes" and that doesn't correspond with the "transmissions" talked about earlier in the same movie either.

    Why does Antilles and Leia claim to be on a diplomatic mission when they had just escaped from Scarif, which gives them not even an illusion of deniability.

    In ANH, they just shot it out with the Star Destroyer and the boarding Stormtoopers. Forget Scarif, they don't have deniability with the events in the same movie.

    I don't think any of those answers are unreasonable stretches.

  71. TravisR

    Vader tortured or threatened the captives on the Rebel flagship until they gave up the information. I'm sure it wouldn't take long for him to get people to talk.

    A Star Destroyer is faster than a Blockade Runner.

    I think it's fair to say that Vader didn't feel a need to be specific and say "Several transmissions were beamed to the Rebel flagship. I want to know what happened to the plans that were then copied and given to you." It's not as if she would be confused as to what he's talking about if he uses a shorthand. It's worth noting that in ANH, they also refer to the "stolen data tapes" and that doesn't correspond with the "transmissions" talked about earlier in the same movie either.

    In ANH, they just shot it out with the Star Destroyer and the boarding Stormtoopers. Forget Scarif, they don't have deniability with the events in the same movie.

    I don't think any of those answers are unreasonable stretches.

    I know we've been back and forth over this a few times, nothing you are saying is unreasonable, but it does require some assumptions.

    It's just my opinion that there should have been more of a bridge between the end of R1 and the beginning of ANH so that the two would lock together more smoothly (and if it were up to me, I would not have had Tantive IV at Scarif.)

  72. I agree with bill hunt!

    From the digital bits:
    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/040717-1900

    Now then… back on the subject of Disney and Lucasfilm’s Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Blu-ray release. The upshot of my review is that it’s a reference quality A/V experience, with HD video and 7.1 surround that’s nearly everything you hope it will be.But the extras are… well, they’re really not good. At all. And I say that as someone who’s covered this industry for more than two decades now, going back to before the dawn of DVD. I know what great special features look like. These aren’t it.

    The problem isn’t that the Rogue One extras are bad exactly; it’s actually worse than that. They’re boring… run of the mill, glossy, milled in-house by the studio promotional squeeg, with no substance and little entertainment value. 5 minutes on this, 5 minutes on that, all of it an inch deep and adding up to Zzzzzzzzzz…. This is not at all what dedicated fans have come to expect from the extras on Lucasfilm Blu-ray and DVD releases. It’s frustrating for a couple of reasons. First, this is Star Wars. This beloved franchise should be getting only the very best treatment in terms of its bonus content. But it’s even more frustrating because Lucasfilm used to know how to create great special editions! Go back and look at the extras on The Phantom Menaceon DVD. Check out that first Star Wars Original Trilogy DVD box set. Hell, look even more recently at the Star Wars Saga Blu-ray set.

    Let me speak frankly to any Lucasfilm and Disney executive who might be reading this. In fact, let me speak directly to Kathleen Kennedy: I’m sorry to have to say this, but you guys are really dropping the ball on the special features on your Star WarsBlu-ray product. It happened on The Force Awakens, it’s happened again on Rogue One, and it’s probably already happening on The Last Jediand Han Solo too. You’re frustrating your best customers – by which I mean NOT your retail partners clamoring for exclusives, but the actual diehard Star Wars and Blu-ray fans who buy this content. You’re letting them all down. It’s a real problem. Please take it seriously.

  73. TravisR

    I think it's fair to say that Vader didn't feel a need to be specific and say "Several transmissions were beamed to the Rebel flagship. I want to know what happened to the plans that were then copied and given to you." It's not as if she would be confused as to what he's talking about if he uses a shorthand. It's worth noting that in ANH, they also refer to the "stolen data tapes" and that doesn't correspond with the "transmissions" talked about earlier in the same movie either.

    One thing I can argue about this is that the wording Vader uses "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you" is pretty specific and pretty contradictory to the end of R1. If we were going by that continuity, he would have said "Rebel spies handed off a disk to this ship right before it escaped from Scarif"

    The stolen data tapes that Motti refers to makes sense because a physical cartridge was indeed stolen, so that indeed is more or less just a matter of semantics.

    Bottom line though, nitpicking aside, is that I thought the very end of R1 was sloppy in the context of continuity with the beginning of ANH. And while I generally disagree with the "R1 was nothing but fan service" attitude of the detractors, I do admit that this is where, IMO, fan service did get the better of them.

    I picture a better ending somewhat like this:

    You have everything with Vader and handing off the plans except the ship that escapes is NOT Tantive IV.

    On the ship there's a brief discussion "What do we do now?" "It's too dangerous to try to deliver these plans to anyone now, We'll wait a little bit, also I have a high ranking contact within the alliance who might help"(this is where the Jimmy Smits cameo could come into play).

    Vader and Tarkin: "We're monitoring all transmissions throughout the galaxy. We'll find out wherever those plans are sent"

    Then you could have the final "hope" scene with Leia

  74. I watched the 2D Blu-Ray tonight. Absolutely stunning experience. Revenge of the Sith looks pretty great in HD, but the difference between a 1080p source in the early, early days of digital cinematography and the 6.5k source from the latest and greatest of digital cameras today is staggering. The Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith rank among the most visually beautiful mainstream films I've ever seen. And they still hold sizable advantages in production design, art direction and costume design. Because of the nature of the story and the nature of the time period this is set, it's a starker and less beautiful universe. But in spite of those disadvantages, the cinematography makes it all look beautiful. There's a reason we revere those old 70mm productions; it's just a different experience than capturing on 35mm lenses.

    This time around, the first half worked better for me (since I already had an investment in these characters) but the flaws in the back half stood out a little more. I still wish that Andor had died defending Jyn from Krennic and his death troopers in the data core, so that Jyn faced Krennic alone by the satellite dish. Given that Krennic derailed her life by kidnapping her father, it felt personal in a way that should have been settled one on one.

    Josh Steinberg

    I'm watching it now and one thing that immediately jumped out at me was the first Cushing scene. When I saw it in theaters, I was almost convinced by the illusion. On the disc, it just looks animated to me.

    Like Robert and Joseph, I found the illusion a lot more believable at home than I did on the big screen. It still wasn't quite there, but it was on the uphill climb of the other side of the uncanny valley, not swimming in its depths.

  75. Adam Lenhardt

    Like Robert and Joseph, I found the illusion a lot more believable at home than I did on the big screen. It still wasn't quite there, but it was on the uphill climb of the other side of the uncanny valley, not swimming in its depths.

    I wrote that comment after seeing the first Tarkin scene at home. He appeared fake to me throughout the movie at home. When I saw it in theaters, I didn't know in advance that the character was going to be in the film, and I actually was fooled into thinking it was an actor until halfway through the movie. At home, it just didn't look right to me – the size of his head seemed off compared to the body, and the movement didn't seem right. Even the body double's physical movements seemed somehow off to me. This was almost completely the opposite of my theatrical experience.

    But on the other hand, when I saw the movie in theaters, the Leia bit at the end looked absolutely horrendous to me, and at home, it looked so much better. I almost bought it. If she didn't have to move her lips, I would have totally bought it. Go figure.

    For what it's worth, my two theatrical viewings were in a brand new IMAX Laser 3D installation, and my home viewing was on the BD3D.

  76. WillG

    One thing I can argue about this is that the wording Vader uses "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you" is pretty specific and pretty contradictory to the end of R1. If we were going by that continuity, he would have said "Rebel spies handed off a disk to this ship right before it escaped from Scarif"

    I understand your point but I still wouldn't classify it as a continuity error because there is a logical explanation (Vader uses a shorthand and everyone knows what he's talking about). Plus, the plans were beamed to the Profundity (the Rebel flagship) and the Tantive IV was docked on the Profundity when it received the plans. Given that the Tantive IV basically became an escape pod for the Profundity, I can see Vader not worrying about splitting hairs about which precise ship received the plans.

    The stolen data tapes that Motti refers to makes sense because a physical cartridge was indeed stolen, so that indeed is more or less just a matter of semantics.

    That kind of makes me wonder if anyone would even know that the data tapes were stolen since any record must have been wiped out and anyone who knew was dead. I guess it could be assumed that for them to have been beamed off planet, the data tapes had to have been stolen from the vault.

  77. TravisR

    I understand your point but I still wouldn't classify it as a continuity error because there is a logical explanation (Vader uses a shorthand and everyone knows what he's talking about). Plus, the plans were beamed to the Profundity (the Rebel flagship) and the Tantive IV was docked on the Profundity when it received the plans. Given that the Tantive IV basically became an escape pod for the Profundity, I can see Vader not worrying about splitting hairs about which precise ship received the plans.

    Well, we may have to agree to disagree here. But I still do believe that Vader using the term "beamed" suggests that the plans were transmitted to Tantive IV sometime later.

  78. Josh Steinberg

    I wrote that comment after seeing the first Tarkin scene at home. He appeared fake to me throughout the movie at home. When I saw it in theaters, I didn't know in advance that the character was going to be in the film, and I actually was fooled into thinking it was an actor until halfway through the movie.

    Like you, I didn't know Tarkin would be in the film until I was in the theater last December. I assumed it was an actor in makeup because that's what they did with the prequels.

    Can't recall if I started to suspect CG as I watched the movie – December was sooo long ago! 😀

  79. WillG

    Well, we may have to agree to disagree here. But I still do believe that Vader using the term "beamed" suggests that the plans were transmitted to Tantive IV sometime later.

    Don't worry, they'll probably have James Earl Jones loop that line with a more applicable word for the next round of home video releases.:lol:

  80. Come on Disney get your act together! Back in 2015 Disney joined equipment manufacturers and content creators to help define UHD and how we will watch it! Disney also helped form the UHD alliance so why is it that Disney seems to be snubbing 4K UHD?

    Heck even Universal has jumped on board and has released titles but not Disney! No word of any 4K UHD releases, not one! Diseny has there very successful Pirates and Star Wars sagas but still Disney for some reason has yet to announce any 4K UHD titles! I really do want to own Star Wars titles on 4K UHD and the logical choice is to release The Force Awakens and Rogue One in ether DTS-X or Dolby Atmos with a 7.1 core. Every time I see The Force Awakens and every time I see the upcoming Rogue One in stores I will want to buy them. But I am officially done double dipping titles! I do not want to and am no longer interested in purchasing a new title only to have to turn around and purchase the title a second time!

    So listen up Disney, I want these movies and am even willing to repurchase the Pirates franchise in 4K UHD! But until you release them on 4K UHD Blu-ray I will wait! I have The Force Awakens recorded off Starz so I can get my fix till the 4K UHD disc comes out!

    http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/74…isney-netflix-others-standardize-uhd-ces-2015

    https://www.theguardian.com/technol…elevision-sony-samsung-warner-brothers-disney

    http://www.thedigitalbits.com/item/rogue-one-star-wars-story-bd

  81. I just reviewed the extras for the lego batman movie and compared the amount of extras on that release to rogue one.
    It's crazy that the lego batman movie has an audio commentary and quite a few featurettes.

    https://www.hometheaterforum.com/co…k-uhd-3d-blu-ray-blu-ray.352180/#post-4478160

    My wife swears it's a Disney thing to skimp on extras these days.

  82. Osato

    My wife swears it's a Disney thing to skimp on extras these days.

    They know the disc will sell the same amount whether they spend a lot of time and money on extras or not. So they don't. If you view movies as nothing more than a business, it makes sense. There used to be a time when it was more than just business. It seems that time is over.

    Every time they re-release their classic lineup, they eliminate special features that appeared on the previous version of the disc. If this was a deal-breaker for people, the sales would be down, but they seem to be doing just fine.

  83. Josh Steinberg

    They know the disc will sell the same amount whether they spend a lot of time and money on extras or not. So they don't. If you view movies as nothing more than a business, it makes sense. There used to be a time when it was more than just business. It seems that time is over.

    Every time they re-release their classic lineup, they eliminate special features that appeared on the previous version of the disc. If this was a deal-breaker for people, the sales would be down, but they seem to be doing just fine.

    I wonder why Warner doesn't do the same as Disney?
    Perhaps they value their product and customers more.

    It's too bad that the industry has reached this state.
    You hit the nail on the head. They get away with it because the title will sell regardless and Disney knows that too.

  84. Osato

    I wonder why Warner doesn't do the same as Disney?
    Perhaps they value their product and customers more.

    I could be wrong but I'd bet the features on LEGO Batman are all very brief so while it looks like fairly plentiful, the total would still be pretty short. Granted, it does have a commentary though.

  85. I think there are many a couple possibilities for why Warner doesn't skimp as much. All speculation, but:

    -Disney is a genre unto itself unlike any other studio. Same for their subsidiaries. People will automatically buy titles for the Disney brand in a way they won't for other studios

    -Warner is known for being more filmmaker oriented, or at least was. Their filmmakers, on average, may care more about special features than the ones at Disney do and may have more clout to make it happen.

    -Warner is cutting back too. But because each of their titles isn't as popular as whole as the current Disney titles, I don't think it gets noticed as much. You notice when Star Wars seems light on extras because it's so unusual for Star Wars to be packaged like that. I don't think there's the same expectation for their Godzilla 2014 disc, for example.

    I dunno, those are my guesses.

  86. Agreed- 3D all the way.
    And my favorite movie of 2016- one that was utterly original and had the impossible task of following The Force Awakens.

    Spoiler alert: Never before has a film been made before where all the cast…….
    Breathtaking.

  87. TravisR

    I could be wrong but I'd bet the features on LEGO Batman are all very brief so while it looks like fairly plentiful, the total would still be pretty short. Granted, it does have a commentary though.

    Agreed!

  88. Josh Steinberg

    -Warner is cutting back too. But because each of their titles isn't as popular as whole as the current Disney titles, I don't think it gets noticed as much. You notice when Star Wars seems light on extras because it's so unusual for Star Wars to be packaged like that. I don't think there's the same expectation for their Godzilla 2014 disc, for example.

    Agreed, WB is cutting back on their scope of disc production values, but it seems they're going at it in more subtle ways. One thing that drives me absolutely nuts is their static, cheap-looking disc menus that use what look like smart art graphics from Microsoft PowerPoint. They seem to be making these incredibly lazy menus at a more frequent rate, and not just for barebones DVDs.

  89. Allansfirebird

    Agreed, WB is cutting back on their scope of disc production values, but it seems they're going at it in more subtle ways. One thing that drives me absolutely nuts is their static, cheap-looking disc menus that use what look like smart art graphics from Microsoft PowerPoint. They seem to be making these incredibly lazy menus at a more frequent rate, and not just for barebones DVDs.

    I kinda appreciate that, actually. I don't like the overly elaborate menus where I have to hear music and sound effects blasting, and animated video or clips from the video are looping over and over. It's not a dealbreaker for me, but simple usually works better for me with menus. If they're going to skimp on something, I'd rather it be the menu than the content.

  90. Simplicity is fine, but I agree with Sean. The graphics design used for these things is straight out a really bad 1992 clipart library. How about something with a little more class for these (in many cases) classic films? It's not that difficult, really.

  91. Finally got around to watching this movie today. I haven't seen it previously.

    zzzzzzzzz …..zz zz zzzzz z ….

    Not quite what I expected.

    Other than detailing the backstory to the stolen deathstar plans, this movie seemed rather flat.

    I watched it a second time immediately after, and still found it somewhat flat.

    If this wasn't a Star Wars franchise film, I probably would have stopped watching in the middle of the movie and dropping it.

    I may reconsider my decision to blind buy further Star Wars blurays in the future.

  92. gadgtfreek

    I thought it started slow and jumped around, but once it got goin hang on. Great movie.

    I'm right behind Jason. I watched it for the first time tonight.

    It was a whole lot of fun. The first two thirds WAS hard to keep everything/everyone straight. But that final third was SO MUCH FUN! 😀

  93. Mike Frezon

    The first two thirds WAS hard to keep everything/everyone straight.

    I think they need to start reigning in these character names a bit. Sure the originals had lots of crazy names, but it was easier to deal with the Greedos and Lobots while hanging on to the easily-relatable Luke, Leia, and Han.

  94. It was something, too, to finally see the much-discussed Peter Cushing sequence. Pretty amazing stuff. My impression is that it just seemed a little "off" like a lip-sync or the audio got off from the video about a half-second or so. But it is becoming crazy as to what film-makers are able to do these days.

  95. Wayne_j

    I found the story to be better in Rogue One, but the characters were way more memorable in The Force Awakens.

    Agreed on both counts. But there is a simple reason for all of that in my book:

    The Force Awakens was basically A New Hope all over again. Rogue One was a new story, though we knew how it had to end.

    The characters: TFA used established characters to introduce new ones. That's why Poe and Finn are so memorable (and they have fairly easy names). Rogue One uses some secondary established characters, but that's it. And the names…I still don't remember them…

  96. Some interesting thoughts from the digital bits after celebration:

    Okay… Star Wars Celebration weekend has ended with… well, not much in the way of Blu-ray release news related to the Star Wars films. Not that we expected any, per our recent posts, but still. Lucasfilm’s John Knoll did show off some interesting behind the scenes material on The Making of Rogue One panel at the event, including a rare extended cut of the Death Star briefing room scene from the original Star Wars, as well as virtual recreations of a number of classic Death Star settings that didn’t make the final cut of Rogue One, but there was no indication as to when (if ever) any of that material might be released on Blu-ray, nor was there any indication of a more elaborate Rogue One: Collector’s Edition Blu-ray release later this year. (The Making of Rogue One panel also doesn’t seem to have been live-streamed for some reason, though probably to keep the footage shown there from appearing online.) At any rate, it seems that Disney and Lucasfilm are just going to do whatever they’re going to do, with regard to releasing these films on Blu-ray, and fans will simply have to deal with it.

  97. Only one report I've read today and it could be a local deal — Target restocking the RO 3D exclusive. I don't know if this is the beginning of a second print run, a few boxes that were located and now put out, stock being shifted from one store or another, but at least keep checking for those that are still in the market. Scalper's market is not yet the only route

    My local stores are down to one saying it's in stock and "5 left in stock (down from 8 on Sunday)" (Brickseek is still far off)

  98. I pre-ordered this online because, in my experiences with my local stores, the exclusives are never in stock in the actual store. It's about an hour subway ride to my nearest Target and it's just not worth a two hour round trip (plus time spent in the store) to gamble on whether or not they'll have the item. When I used to live closer and it was on my way home, sure, but now I'll either pre-order it or forget about having it. I'd recommend anyone who really feels a need to have one of these exclusive Target releases (as opposed to feeling like "would be nice to have but not going out of my way for it") preorder online and not wait to see if their store will have it or not.

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