Petition to Restore and Release WB 3D Classic

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We have started a petition to have Warner Brothers work with the brilliant team at 3D Film Archive to restore and release their dozen-or-so 3D titles in their Library. Please sign the petition below. We are almost at two hundred signatures in just the first two days. If we can reach 1000 change.org will send the petition to Warner Brothers on our behalf. Feel free to share the link to the petition on any and all pages forms and social media you may be on. Let’s get these home on Blu-ray 3D where they belong. Thanks to Bob!
https://www.change.org/p/warner-brothers-restore-and-release-warner-brothers-3d-classics-with-3-d-film-archive?recruiter=890572282&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_term=Search>SAP>US>NonBrand-Tier 1>Creation>Exact

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  1. Reload3D

    We have started a petition to have Warner Brothers work with the brilliant team at 3D Film Archive to restore and release their dozen-or-so 3D titles in their Library. Please sign the petition below. We are almost at two hundred signatures in just the first two days. If we can reach 1000 change.org will send the petition to Warner Brothers on our behalf. Feel free to share the link to the petition on any and all pages forms and social media you may be on. Let's get these home on Blu-ray 3D where they belong. Thanks to Bob!
    https://www.change.org/p/warner-brothers-restore-and-release-warner-brothers-3d-classics-with-3-d-film-archive?recruiter=890572282&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=share_petition&utm_term=Search>SAP>US>NonBrand-Tier 1>Creation>Exact

    Forgive me, but do you actually believe that WB is run by idiots?

  2. Forgive me, admire the passion, but which titles are you exactly asking for? A classic title or something more recent? As far as I know Warner Brothers does all theirs in house and every release that I've gotten from them 3D wise has been outstanding.

  3. For a motion picture to be pulled from the vault, where it sits in cold storage, certain functions and attributes must be met.

    Why is it being removed? For what purpose?

    Is the specific title (or titles) a viable candidate for preservation, or restoration, should restoration be necessary?

    What are the budgets? Precisely how much money are you asking for – to the dollar?

    What division of the company will fund?

    How quickly will expenditures be returned?

    What is the purpose of the work, and where is the presumed audience that will pay to see the titles in question?

    What other workload, and budgets will be displaced by reallocating funds?

    When it comes down to making the final decisions, and placing one’s name, reputation, and job security on the line, do you recommend Charge of the Light Brigade, The Harvey Girls, Elizabeth and Essex, The Nun’s Story, Raintree County, Brothers Grimm, or Rue Morgue?

    Pick the single title that will bring funds back into the budgetary coffers the most quickly, and have the largest fan base.

    And pick that title, knowing that your job is on the line.

  4. Robert Harris

    . . . . When it comes down to making the final decisions, and placing one’s name, reputation, and job security on the line, do you recommend Charge of the Light Brigade, The Harvey Girls, Elizabeth and Essex, The Nun’s Story, Raintree County, Brothers Grimm, or Rue Morgue? . . .

    Even without my job being at risk, I would be unable to guess which of those titles would be the most suitable first candidate for remedial treatment.

  5. Ross Gowland

    It seems an innocuous petition with a laudable aim. It might be naive, for sure, but I’m not sure why it merited a snarky rebuke from someone who thinks his thread titles should be trademarked.

    "A Few Words About…" is correct in its being trademarked.
    It is an established and legitimate column authored by a globally known film archivist, historian and educator.
    As it is, "A Few Words About…" had long ago become an HTF cornerstone and hallmark, as well.

    To say "Snarky", though, may require a bit of calibration; especially if one is not yet attuned to the cadences of RAH's instructive and dry-witted brevity. Re-read both of his replies, and one will arrive at its truer answer that WAC and Warner's absolutely does have their fingers on the pulse and is fully aware; not only for what home viewers are craving, but also for what is pragmatic in sustaining the life-blood of their own financial program.

    Take it from me, as I've been petitioning for the release of"Ryan's Daughter"; and mind you, this is for just a single title versus a dozen;
    but along the way of my own 4-year thread, I have become well educated on the myriad of obstacles and considerations that are involved. As for WAC's alternative releases and offerings? Many, many, many…and quite magnificent.

    With that said, let us welcome newest member Reload3D; who recently joined HTF on Friday.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  6. With the track record of success these kind of petitions have, this will surely succeed, just like the rest of them, particularly since home video sales are at an all-time high, and not at all on a year-to-year precipitous decline.

  7. Although very many titles have been released (including many surprises) all of us have lists of unreleased films. Only three of my 2014 list have been released and most of the missing are Warner titles. At this stage in the format I am grateful for those that are released on disc rather than only streamed.

  8. Petition or no, personally I would like to see Phantom of the Rue Morgue and the 3D shorts Warner owns (Lumberjack Rabbit, The Ace of Space, Third Dimensional Murder) before my 3D tv gives out. I also would love Charge of the Light Brigade and Raintree County.

  9. As 3D TV are no longer made, a 3D video has a limited audience and that audience will shrink once the existing TVs are replaced. Almost like asking for a release in beta max after the machines were no longer manufactured. On the other hand I still have a 50 inch Plasma HD not even 1K whose picture I prefer to current 4K models. I am sure existing 3D TVs will be around for many years to come. So to each his own.

    https://www.lifewire.com/why-3d-tv-died-4126776

  10. PMF

    With that said, let us welcome newest member Reload3D; who recently joined HTF on Friday.:thumbs-up-smiley:

    I honestly don't think we'll ever see him again. I have a feeling his interest in HTF begins and ends with what signatures he can get from the community to further his aim.

    500 signatures on a change.org petition isn't going to spur WB into any kind of specific action anyway and the whole post feels exploitive. It's put my back up.

  11. The new member’s first post was an attack upon the integrity and professionalism of a major studio that has been a long-time friend and supporter of HTF.

    A far cry from “hi, my name is… and I’m a new member.”

    His post was answered, without response.

  12. Robert Harris

    The new member’s first post was an attack upon the integrity and professionalism of a major studio that has been a long-time friend and supporter of HTF.

    A far cry from “hi, my name is… and I’m a new member.”

    His post was answered, without response.

    Perhaps something was deleted, but I didn"t get the "attack" part of the OP. No one disputes that Warner"s 3D releases are top notch. Although I may have missed something, my understanding has been that Warner"s requirement that all work be done in house has meant a higher cost for their 3D releases than would be the case if some of the work was done by 3D Film Archive. This, in turn, has made releasing 3D titles more difficult. I doubt if they'll change their policy, but the petition may help convince them of the continuing interest in classic 3D titles.

  13. Will Krupp

    I honestly don't think we'll ever see him again. I have a feeling his interest in HTF begins and ends with what signatures he can get from the community to further his aim.

    500 signatures on a change.org petition isn't going to spur WB into any kind of specific action anyway and the whole post feels exploitive. It's put my back up.

    The problem is 5M signatures on a petition won't make any difference vs a single handwritten letter to the proper person or a Phone Call.

    Better — 500K names, addresses, and standing orders plus a $50M War Chest deposited in a local bank and a Phone Call from Mr Harris will almost certainly get some results, anyone want to start one?

  14. JoeDoakes

    Perhaps something was deleted, but I didn"t get the "attack" part of the OP. No one disputes that Warner"s 3D releases are top notch. Although I may have missed something, my understanding has been that Warner"s requirement that all work be done in house has meant a higher cost for their 3D releases than would be the case if some of the work was done by 3D Film Archive. This, in turn, has made releasing 3D titles more difficult. I doubt if they'll change their policy, but the petition may help convince them of the continuing interest in classic 3D titles.

    I concur with the sentiments in this post. Like the rest of us, I've no idea who "Reload3D" is or what his overall knowledge is about the workings of bringing a classic 3D movie to the public. Given that his post is courteous, if naïve, I do think that Mr. Harris' response was disingenuous toward someone who has apparently just joined the forum. I signed his petition with no particular expectation that it will influence WAC, but rather as a show of support for getting more 3D titles into the market. The OP was correct that the cost of restoring such titles would be significantly less if WB handed the licenses over the 3D Film Archives. That has been proven time and time again. So, I guess, as a very longtime member here, I wonder why this poster was condescended to by someone who is understood by everyone here to be an expert in his field, when a more supportive and informative reply, such as post #6, might have better been posted in the #2 slot. Hopefully Reload3D has not been scared off.

    This is not to admonish Mr. Harris, who has my unlimited gratitude and respect, but rather, it is intended to relate that we might have welcomed the OP in a much less adversarial way, and then educated him about the difficulties and expense of bringing classic 3D to home video.

    🙂

  15. JoeDoakes

    Although I may have missed something, my understanding has been that Warner"s requirement that all work be done in house has meant a higher cost for their 3D releases than would be the case if some of the work was done by 3D Film Archive.

    Dick

    The OP was correct that the cost of restoring such titles would be significantly less if WB handed the licenses over the 3D Film Archives.

    Well….yeah.

    But, and I admire you both greatly and mean absolutely NO disrespect in this, so what? I'm sure the costs of restoring ANY WB title would be significantly less than they are if they farmed some of the work out to another house. We're lucky that they've just started licensing some titles to Criterion. They want to remain custodians of their own product and they absolutely have that right. 500 signatures on a change.org petition isn't going to alter their policy any more than 500 strangers sending you a signed letter telling you they've decided you need to move your blu-ray collection to the second floor of your house because it's safer there.

    I can't speak for anybody else, but my personal objection to the OP and the original post was the way we sometimes see people pop up out of the blue and, by way of introduction and with no other preamble, try to sell us something or "get" something from us that they need. He may have had the BEST of intentions, I don't know, but I've spent twenty years here (which BOGGLES my mind) and I don't take kindly to our membership being treated that way, intentionally or not.

  16. Dick

    I concur with the sentiments in this post. Like the rest of us, I've no idea who "Reload3D" is or what his overall knowledge is about the workings of bringing a classic 3D movie to the public. Given that his post is courteous, if naïve, I do think that Mr. Harris' response was disingenuous toward someone who has apparently just joined the forum. I signed his petition with no particular expectation that it will influence WAC, but rather as a show of support for getting more 3D titles into the market. The OP was correct that the cost of restoring such titles would be significantly less if WB handed the licenses over the 3D Film Archives. That has been proven time and time again. So, I guess, as a very longtime member here, I wonder why this poster was condescended to by someone who is understood by everyone here to be an expert in his field, when a more supportive and informative reply, such as post #6, might have better been posted in the #2 slot. Hopefully Reload3D has not been scared off.

    This is not to admonish Mr. Harris, who has my unlimited gratitude and respect, but rather, it is intended to relate that we might have welcomed the OP in a much less adversarial way, and then educated him about the difficulties and expense of bringing classic 3D to home video.

    🙂

    Good post. I've reread the OP a couple of times to see if I've missed something, but I haven't. It's just a 3D fan trying to get more releases. All clubs need new members to develop and thrive, otherwise it's just old-timers talking amongst themselves.

  17. I first learned about this petition on a 3D Facebook site. Then later saw it on another site with a 3D forum and then this site.
    So the original poster was just reaching out to like minds that would potentially sign a petition. As this post from years ago generated many 3d related posts https://www.hometheaterforum.com/co…ein-re-the-warner-bros-archives.351583/page-7. I could see why Mr. Platt found his way here.

  18. We have had several "please keep supporting 3D" petitions, both in hardware and software over the years. Not a single one has succeeded because you're expecting the manufacturer to do something specifically FOR YOU at a loss FOR THEM. It's a dead horse and an even deader one than the last time it came up.

  19. Uh no. Warner is still supporting 3D blu-ray releases more than any other studio. This is a petition for them to utilize the same techniques that have been successful for Universal as well as a boutique label for Paramount for the release of their catalog.
    There are quotes from a Warner executive on 2 podcasts acknowledging their holdings and how it was a mission statement from Warner to release them.

  20. Will Krupp

    I honestly don't think we'll ever see him again. I have a feeling his interest in HTF begins and ends with what signatures he can get from the community to further his aim.

    Yup. Joined 3 days ago and has one post: the OP in this thread.

    On the other board I visit, I believe new members need at least 50 posts before they can start a thread.

    Maybe the HTF needs the same threshold to prevent people from posting one thread and never actually participating otherwise…

  21. Lord Dalek

    We have had several "please keep supporting 3D" petitions, both in hardware and software over the years. Not a single one has succeeded because you're expecting the manufacturer to do something specifically FOR YOU at a loss FOR THEM. It's a dead horse and an even deader one than the last time it came up.

    Gotta try, man. Otherwise, give up.

  22. Will Krupp

    I honestly don't think we'll ever see him again.

    Me neither. Given the very first reply he received to his very first post, I can't imagine why he would ever want to have anything to do with this forum again.

    Yes, his post was, to be kind, naive and ill-informed. But I didn't read it as an attack on integrity or professionalism, unless as someone suggested, we are seeing only an edited version stripped of its original nastiness. If that is the case, I apologize in advance.

  23. I don’t think the original post was put up in bad faith or to create a problem. But it seems to me to be in violation of the HTF posting guidelines, which state that you shouldn’t come to HTF solely for the purpose of sharing outside links or business ventures without first asking permission from ownership. And I think if the poster had gone through those channels, he might have been directed to join one of the existing conversations on this topic and participate in the community. I’m always happy to welcome new members and hear new voices in the conversation. I’m less enthused about being asked to give my time or attention to something off-site when the person promoting it doesn’t have an interest in engaging with our community.

  24. RichMurphy

    Me neither. Given the very first reply he received to his very first post, I can't imagine why he would ever want to have anything to do with this forum again.

    Now, you know that's not what I meant.

    When I said we'd probably never see him again it's because I believe that posting that petition for us to sign was both the beginning and the end of his interest in us. I doubt he'll even check back in to see how it landed. If he knew, he'd likely be quite surprised and find it very funny that we've gone on for two pages.

  25. Josh Steinberg

    I don’t think the original post was put up in bad faith or to create a problem. But it seems to me to be in violation of the HTF posting guidelines, which state that you shouldn’t come to HTF solely for the purpose of sharing outside links or business ventures without first asking permission from ownership. And I think if the poster had gone through those channels, he might have been directed to join one of the existing conversations on this topic and participate in the community. I’m always happy to welcome new members and hear new voices in the conversation. I’m less enthused about being asked to give my time or attention to something off-site when the person promoting it doesn’t have an interest in engaging with our community.

    Let's stop with the speculation about the OP's motivation as ownership and the moderator staff are aware of this thread so can we move on please. If people want to sign that petition or not, it's strictly up to them.

  26. Lord Dalek

    We have had several "please keep supporting 3D" petitions, both in hardware and software over the years. Not a single one has succeeded because you're expecting the manufacturer to do something specifically FOR YOU at a loss FOR THEM. It's a dead horse and an even deader one than the last time it came up.

    Sir (or Madam): I've said this before and will say it again now, at the risk or irritating some of our members. 3D was, for about five years, a viable — though expensive — format that a relatively small number of us took to wholeheartedly and spent an amazing amount of our disposable (and not-so-disposable) incomes for to add to our home theaters. My 3D software numbers roughly 200 titles, many of them necessarily purchased overseas because the studios and hardware manufacturers in this country simply dropped us after they'd gotten our money and left us hung out to dry. I have an enormous investment in this format and, damn it, I'm going to fight to try to keep it alive and even revive it from the dead here in the U.S. Thus, my support of the OP's petition.

    Movies are still being made and theatrically released in 3D, and Europe still supports this software. It is true that WB does on occasion supply a domestic 3D release, but not always. Disney has truly screwed the 3D enthusiast, as even their more recent Marvel 3D titles and their own in-house animated films are only available from Europe (but they are all region-free, so if you're still on the edge about investing in an all-region player…). And they were the ones who had drawn me into investing in the format more so than any other studio.

    For those of you who couldn't give a rat's ass about 3D, well…I sort of envy you. But you needn't be making an attempt to diminish its importance to some of us here by suggesting we just drop the whole thing and move on. No! Not unless you want to send me a check for $3,000 with which I can purchase a replacement for my 65" LG 4K/3D display, if I can even find one when the time comes. We 3D collectors do not ask that the rest of you dash out and begin purchasing 3D displays and movies…only that you drop the sarcasm and the adverse remarks that, intentionally or not, serve as wooden stakes through the hearts of the format's supporters. And that includes Mr. Platt.

    P.S. As I've emphasized dozens of times, kudos to the fellows at 3D Film Archives for leading the continuing effort to get the Holy Grail classics out on disc for us to see and own. Remarkable work!

  27. Dick

    As I've emphasized dozens of times, kudos to the fellows at 3D Film Archives for leading the continuing effort to get the Holy Grail classics out on disc for us to see and own. Remarkable work!

    Indeed! I just had reason to reorganize my movie shelf and I took the opportunity to put the 3D Film Archive discs all together. What a marvelous blend of pictures and genres, all looking great, many with restored sound mixes that are just as big of revelations as the 3D visuals. Couldn’t imagine parting with any of them. Just wish I had more free time to rewatch more often!

  28. Dick

    Sir (or Madam): I've said this before and will say it again now, at the risk or irritating some of our members. 3D was, for about five years, a viable — though expensive — format that a relatively small number of us took to wholeheartedly and spent an amazing amount of our disposable (and not-so-disposable) incomes for to add to our home theaters. My 3D software numbers roughly 200 titles, many of them necessarily purchased overseas because the studios and hardware manufacturers in this country simply dropped us after they'd gotten our money and left us hung out to dry. I have an enormous investment in this format and, damn it, I'm going to fight to try to keep it alive and even revive it from the dead here in the U.S. Thus, my support of the OP's petition.

    Movies are still being made and theatrically released in 3D, and Europe still supports this software. It is true that WB does on occasion supply a domestic 3D release, but not always. Disney has truly screwed the 3D enthusiast, as even their more recent Marvel 3D titles and their own in-house animated films are only available from Europe (but they are all region-free, so if you're still on the edge about investing in an all-region player…). And they were the ones who had drawn me into investing in the format more so than any other studio.

    For those of you who couldn't give a rat's ass about 3D, well…I sort of envy you. But you needn't be making an attempt to diminish its importance to some of us here by suggesting we just drop the whole thing and move on. No! Not unless you want to send me a check for $3,000 with which I can purchase a replacement for my 65" LG 4K/3D display, if I can even find one when the time comes. We 3D collectors do not ask that the rest of you dash out and begin purchasing 3D displays and movies…only that you drop the sarcasm and the adverse remarks that, intentionally or not, serve as wooden stakes through the hearts of the format's supporters. And that includes Mr. Platt.

    P.S. As I've emphasized dozens of times, kudos to the fellows at 3D Film Archives for leading the continuing effort to get the Holy Grail classics out on disc for us to see and own. Remarkable work!

    Dick: come on. No-one in this thread has suggested that fans of 3D should drop it and move on. No-one has made adverse or sarcastic remarks about 3D or about 3D enthusiasts.

  29. Dick

    For those of you who couldn't give a rat's ass about 3D, well…I sort of envy you. But you needn't be making an attempt to diminish its importance to some of us here by suggesting we just drop the whole thing and move on. No! Not unless you want to send me a check for $3,000 with which I can purchase a replacement for my 65" LG 4K/3D display, if I can even find one when the time comes. We 3D collectors do not ask that the rest of you dash out and begin purchasing 3D displays and movies…only that you drop the sarcasm and the adverse remarks that, intentionally or not, serve as wooden stakes through the hearts of the format's supporters. And that includes Mr. Platt.

    P.S. As I've emphasized dozens of times, kudos to the fellows at 3D Film Archives for leading the continuing effort to get the Holy Grail classics out on disc for us to see and own. Remarkable work!

    I can't disagree with you more than what you stated in the those comments in bold. I have three 3-D displays in my home with over 200 3-D Blu-rays in my film collection and I'm not seeing any of what you suggested with those comments. I find your comments kind of disheartening that you would assert those that question this petition's effectiveness as being anti-3-D with no concern for those supporting this petition. Please, stop that false narrative! It's not right nor is it true. Don't let your frustration with how the industry has treated us 3-D consumers get to you by besmirching other participants in this thread.

  30. Will Krupp

    Now, you know that's not what I meant.

    When I said we'd probably never see him again it's because I believe that posting that petition for us to sign was both the beginning and the end of his interest in us. I doubt he'll even check back in to see how it landed. If he knew, he'd likely be quite surprised and find it very funny that we've gone on for two pages.

    He should see the LG Petition one. That one went on for 70 pages.

  31. Lord Dalek

    We have had several "please keep supporting 3D" petitions, both in hardware and software over the years. Not a single one has succeeded because you're expecting the manufacturer to do something specifically FOR YOU at a loss FOR THEM. It's a dead horse and an even deader one than the last time it came up.

    If not "FOR YOU" or for me, then who else?:D:3dglasses::D

  32. Robert Crawford

    I can't disagree with you more than what you stated in the those comments in bold. I have three 3-D displays in my home with over 200 3-D Blu-rays in my film collection and I'm not seeing any of what you suggested with those comments. I find your comments kind of disheartening that you would assert those that question this petition's effectiveness as being anti-3-D with no concern for those supporting this petition. Please, stop that false narrative! It's not right nor is it true. Don't let your frustration with how the industry has treated us 3-D consumers get to you by besmirching other participants in this thread.

    Perhaps I should have made clear that my comments about sarcasm, etc. were meant as a cumulative reaction to comments in all threads from years past in which such dissing of 3D enthusiasts' efforts to keep the format alive absolutely did get posted. Then I saw the some of the reactions to the OP of this thread and, like you, Robert, was "disheartened" by a few of them that, in so many words, suggest that those of us continuing this (admittedly probably futile) fight are simply doomed to failure or that we shouldn't continue to alert studios of our continuing devotion to 3D. I meant no disrespect to anyone here, and apologize for writing a paragraph that wasn't more succinct.

  33. I am not 3D equipped; but I do continue to root for those who are.
    IMHO, the bottom line here is that whatever our chosen format may be, we are crazy passionate about our films.
    And that, my friends, is something that could never be misinterpreted nor refuted.:)

  34. PMF

    I am not 3D equipped; but I do continue to root for those who are.
    IMHO, the bottom line here is that whatever our chosen format may be, we are crazy passionate about our films.
    And that, my friends, is something that could never be misinterpreted nor refuted.:)

    When I see threads like this though I think "bargaining phase". Eventually we're going to make it to stage 7.

  35. Colin Jacobson

    On the other board I visit, I believe new members need at least 50 posts before they can start a thread.

    Tino

    That’s a great idea!

    Robert Crawford

    We're not doing that.

    Good. That kind of thing is a gigantic turn-off to potential new users. At best it would just encourage a plethora of meaningless posts just to meet the quota. Continued good moderation is the way to handle it.

  36. RichMurphy

    Given the 3D Film Archive's excellent work on IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE and THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, are we to assume that Universal Pictures is "run by idiots"?

    The Archive didn't do any work on Creature, and it kind of shows, as Universal "pushed" the 3D window forward. They DID, however, work on Revenge of the Creature.

  37. In case nobody noticed, the Warner Archive has just reissued Dial M for Murder and Kiss Me Kate on 3D Blu-ray. At least with Warner controlling their own product, you know they will do things right. I'm not saying they never make a mistake, but they certainly don't do boneheaded things like downmixing existing 5.1 tracks to 2.0 or worse yet stereo tracks to mono, and they also wouldn't accidentally release frame-packed 3D as side-by-side 3D. 🙂

  38. 3D movie preservation is a MUST- and it’s not just about home video.
    And can we get a petition going for Flesh for Frankenstein while we’re at it over to Criterion?

  39. RichMurphy

    Given the 3D Film Archive's excellent work on IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE and THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, are we to assume that Universal Pictures is "run by idiots"?

    Stephen_J_H

    The Archive didn't do any work on Creature, and it kind of shows, as Universal "pushed" the 3D window forward. They DID, however, work on Revenge of the Creature.

    The blu-ray release of which was botched by Universal, so yes, I think we have to wonder about who is guiding the ship.

  40. I didn't sign the petition for two reasons:
    1) I don't think it will do any good for reasons already stated in this thread
    2) When I look at it the intent of the petition, it isn't to restore and release the films on 3D, but to restore and release them using a SPECIFIC COMPANY. It seems to me that the petition is more about getting that company involved than getting the titles restored (not sure that they even need to be) and released.

    Warner has done a fine job restoring their films. I'm not sure what the advantage is to have that outsourced to a third party, and it seems like that would make WB even less likely to follow up on the petition.

    Note: I have nothing against 3D Film Archive and don't think they are behind the petition.

  41. Hello everyone. Thank you to everyone who supports the effort so far. Perhaps it is just a pipe dream to see these films restored and released however, nothing can be obtained without first asking and that is the point of my petition. A small voice is better than no voice so again, thank you all for the support. Please be aware that I AM NOT AFFILIATED with 3-D Film Archive or any of its employees and I am certainly not receiving any type of incentive from them or Warner Brothers. I am simply a 3D enthusiast familiar with 3-D Film Archive through watching the extras on previously released titles and the information on the history of 3D provided on their website. The intent of my petition is innocuous and simplistic. I am a fan that craves more 3D. At the end of the day, I don't care if 3DFA does it or if Whistler's Mother does it. I just want to see it done.

    Again, thank you for the support.

  42. On a separate note, it saddens me that within a community of so called film and 3D enthusiasts, some, not all, but some reduce themselves to splitting hairs on my post to extrapolate things that are neither implied nor present. It comes across as selfish and petulant and therefore eliminates any credibility to what is nothing more than a pedantic essay of self glorification. Really? WHO CARES WHO DOES THE RESTORATIONS? We live in a free and open society do we not? If you truly love 3D as an art form and you are truly a supporter and of preservation of vintage celluloid then lighten up. If you sign the petition great if you dont, that's great too but to imply that I'm pandering to a certain company is insane and tasteless. And that's all I got to say about that.

  43. noel aguirre

    3D movie preservation is a MUST- and it’s not just about home video.
    And can we get a petition going for Flesh for Frankenstein while we’re at it over to Criterion?

    Yes… I've been asking for this for a long time. I saw this in the theaters in 3D for a midnight showing (80s) and the 3D was GREAT. Lots of pop-out. And the film is so over the top.

  44. The 3-D Film Archive is emphatically not responsible for this petition, but we welcome this warm expression of fan support for our work. We would be delighted to help any studio preserve, restore, and present its classic 3-D library.

    With regards to the Blu-ray of Revenge of the Creature, we have always regretted the spoiled first pressing, which offered a substandard half-SBS 3-D edition of the film. To make clear to those who may not know, this was an authoring mistake, which Universal worked very hard to set right. The involvement of the 3-D Film Archive in getting that fun film to Blu-ray was strictly a matter of addressing alignment and phasing issues that sometimes afflict nearly every vintage 3-D title.

  45. Reload3D

    On a separate note, it saddens me that within a community of so called film and 3D enthusiasts, some, not all, but some reduce themselves to splitting hairs on my post to extrapolate things that are neither implied nor present. It comes across as selfish and petulant and therefore eliminates any credibility to what is nothing more than a pedantic essay of self glorification. Really? WHO CARES WHO DOES THE RESTORATIONS? We live in a free and open society do we not? If you truly love 3D as an art form and you are truly a supporter and of preservation of vintage celluloid then lighten up. If you sign the petition great if you dont, that's great too but to imply that I'm pandering to a certain company is insane and tasteless. And that's all I got to say about that.

    I'm not sure your intent was fully understood. Everyone is entitled to their opinion based on the information in front of them.

  46. Gary Seven

    3-D Film Archive is the only company I know of actively restoring these older 3D classics. The studios are not. I can see why 3-D Film Archive was mentioned. Some people look for controversy.

    I thought I read that Universal Studio restored "Creature from the Black Lagoon" in-house? I know it wasn't 3-D Films.

    I have to admit, reading the title of the petition did come across to me as a plug for 3-D Film Archive. Knowing WB likes to do restorations in-house and knowing ultimately the petition is going to be sent to WB, it does seem a bit of a mistake to reference an outside source. If it can be adjusted, it might be better suited to just petition for continued 3D restorations by WB, without naming who should be doing it.

  47. smithbrad

    I thought I read that Universal Studio restored "Creature from the Black Lagoon" in-house? I know it wasn't 3-D Films.

    I have to admit, reading the title of the petition did come across to me as a plug for 3-D Film Archive. Knowing WB likes to do restorations in-house and knowing ultimately the petition is going to be sent to WB, it does seem a bit of a mistake to reference an outside source. If it can be adjusted, it might be better suited to just petition for continued 3D restorations by WB, without naming who should be doing it.

    I was trying to step away, but might I now request that discussions of restorations cease?

    While I would applaud quality 3D films being released to home video, most will not necessitate restoration, merely post work.

    Let’s not confuse the issue, please.

    Also, WB did their own work on Kate, Wax and M.

  48. smithbrad

    I thought I read that Universal Studio restored "Creature from the Black Lagoon" in-house? I know it wasn't 3-D Films.

    I have to admit, reading the title of the petition did come across to me as a plug for 3-D Film Archive. Knowing WB likes to do restorations in-house and knowing ultimately the petition is going to be sent to WB, it does seem a bit of a mistake to reference an outside source. If it can be adjusted, it might be better suited to just petition for continued 3D restorations by WB, without naming who should be doing it.

    I was speaking currently. I believe Creature was released several years ago. Either way, I am looking for the release of these classics, regardless who preps them.

  49. I am so behind in my BD purchases, but never am I behind in adding more titles to my list.
    In this case, it's not just one title, but three; being Warner's "Kiss Me, Kate", "House of Wax" and "Dial M for Murder".
    Wow, how did the availability of these gems get by me?
    My thanks to RAH for pointing these out.

  50. PMF

    I am so behind in my BD purchases, but never am I behind in adding more titles to my list.
    In this case, it's not just one title, but three; being Warner's "Kiss Me, Kate", "House of Wax" and "Dial M for Murder".
    Wow, how did the availability of these gems get by me?
    My thanks to RAH for pointing these out.

    All beautiful titles, although as I recall, one was a bit heavy for projection. All 3 fine for 3D panels.

  51. Adam Gregorich

    I didn't sign the petition for two reasons:
    1) I don't think it will do any good for reasons already stated in this thread
    2) When I look at it the intent of the petition, it isn't to restore and release the films on 3D, but to restore and release them using a SPECIFIC COMPANY. It seems to me that the petition is more about getting that company involved than getting the titles restored (not sure that they even need to be) and released.

    Warner has done a fine job restoring their films. I'm not sure what the advantage is to have that outsourced to a third party, and it seems like that would make WB even less likely to follow up on the petition.

    Note: I have nothing against 3D Film Archive and don't think they are behind the petition.

    Adam: Good to hear from you! My feeling is that your No. 1 reason for not signing the petition is arguable. It might well not "do any good," but is that a reason for not trying? A defeatist attitude will definitely not yield results, except negative ones.

    As to your No. 2 reason: Well, that is your opinion and neither I nor anyone else can take that from you. I disagree with it, but respect it. At least you made a thoughtful choice.

    Any studio that might be reading these threads will at least be able to see there is still a lot of interest in 3D Blu-ray, and that's the important thing.

  52. Reload3D

    On a separate note, it saddens me that within a community of so called film and 3D enthusiasts, some, not all, but some reduce themselves to splitting hairs on my post to extrapolate things that are neither implied nor present. It comes across as selfish and petulant and therefore eliminates any credibility to what is nothing more than a pedantic essay of self glorification. Really? WHO CARES WHO DOES THE RESTORATIONS? We live in a free and open society do we not? If you truly love 3D as an art form and you are truly a supporter and of preservation of vintage celluloid then lighten up. If you sign the petition great if you dont, that's great too but to imply that I'm pandering to a certain company is insane and tasteless. And that's all I got to say about that.

    Let's stop with the insults please and that applies to all participants in this thread. Either to sign the petition or don't sign it is a personal decision.

  53. Paul Penna

    Good. That kind of thing is a gigantic turn-off to potential new users. At best it would just encourage a plethora of meaningless posts just to meet the quota. Continued good moderation is the way to handle it.

    I see it as a way to make sure people are part of the "community" and not just hopping on for their one topic of interest and that's it.

    Also seems like it'd decrease spamming and mean less work for the mods…

  54. Robert Harris

    I was trying to step away, but might I now request that discussions of restorations cease?

    While I would applaud quality 3D films being released to home video, most will not necessitate restoration, merely post work.

    Let’s not confuse the issue, please.

    Also, WB did their own work on Kate, Wax and M.

    Sorry to disagree with you but 3D Flesh for Frankenstein
    most certainly does need a major restoration.

  55. Robert Harris

    I was referring to assets controlled by WB, especially animated.

    Ok sorry misunderstood. So many different comments are on here- it’s like if one is having a conversation with one member about something specific and you happen to read it and think its referring to something generic.

  56. noel aguirre

    3D movie preservation is a MUST- and it’s not just about home video.
    And can we get a petition going for Flesh for Frankenstein while we’re at it over to Criterion?

    I think the 3D Film Archive was interested but Paul Morrissey wanted them to do it for free.

  57. Reload3D

    On a separate note, it saddens me that within a community of so called film and 3D enthusiasts, some, not all, but some reduce themselves to splitting hairs on my post to extrapolate things that are neither implied nor present. It comes across as selfish and petulant and therefore eliminates any credibility to what is nothing more than a pedantic essay of self glorification. Really? WHO CARES WHO DOES THE RESTORATIONS? We live in a free and open society do we not? If you truly love 3D as an art form and you are truly a supporter and of preservation of vintage celluloid then lighten up. If you sign the petition great if you don't, that's great too but to imply that I'm pandering to a certain company is insane and tasteless. And that's all I got to say about that.

    Nothing against you, William, but you might better have stopped with post #52, as the above post sounds accusatory. Too easy for people to take it personally. After twelve years, I'm still learning about forum etiquette, so this suggestion is based upon my own experience.

  58. Just wish Robert Harris response to the post was more polite. I signed the petition and applaud anyone who cares and makes an effort. The single chip DLP projector totally aces 3D, which I’ve owned for a few years now. The 3D is better than my local multiplex. Warner and the 3D Film Archive have both done very nice work on classic 3D movies. Movie watching, 2D or 3D, is much better when projected. It’s not hard to get a room dark or make a screen. I think too many people are missing out on a great home theatre experience at a fraction of the cost of big screen TV. Plus you don’t have to lug that 50 pound TV home from the big box store.

  59. bobclampett

    Just wish Robert Harris response to the post was more polite. I signed the petition and applaud anyone who cares and makes an effort. The single chip DLP projector totally aces 3D, which I've owned for a few years now. The 3D is better than my local multiplex. Warner and the 3D Film Archive have both done very nice work on classic 3D movies. Movie watching, 2D or 3D, is much better when projected. It's not hard to get a room dark or make a screen. I think too many people are missing out on a great home theatre experience at a fraction of the cost of big screen TV. Plus you don't have to lug that 50 pound TV home from the big box store.

    What projector do you have? What screen do you use with it?

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