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The reviewer should not be reviewing this if they haven’t seen the Criterion release- the gold standard. This is not DVD TALK.
 

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The reviewer should not be reviewing this if they haven’t seen the Criterion release- the gold standard. This is not DVD TALK.
That's preposterous.

No reviewer can be sure to have watched ALL prior home video versions of any movie before they review a newer home video release.
 

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Perhaps I can assist, gentlemen. The Caps-a-holic comparison is already up. Bear in mind the German Capelight Pictures BD also has the same transfer as the Criterion.

I know caps don't tell the whole story, but they're enough to let me know I won't be be replacing my Criterion BD anytime soon. Added to that, the UHD is lacking the Criterion's 7.1 audio and the CC's 5.1 DTS-HD MA track even has a higher bitrate than the UHD, so there's definitely no upgrade there. Overall, a sidegrade at best.
 

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That's preposterous.

No reviewer can be sure to have watched ALL prior home video versions of any movie before they review a newer home video release.
Not at all preposterous- we’re talking ONE other version. That transfer was personally supervised by Guillermo del Toro, a fairly recent release, and readily available. And besides this film was completed in 2K so the main reason really for getting this only is if it’s any better than what’s currently on the market and considered the definitive version by its own director. Otherwise why should one care?
 
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So I found a more thorough review showing comparisons not only to the Criterion pressing but also the oringinal Blu-ray itself! Enjoy.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Pans-Labyrinth-4K-Blu-ray/241970/#Review
 

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In this particular case, we’re talking about one other version, but each review can have all sorts of permutations of how many prior releases there have been. To dismiss Todd’s review as incomplete somehow is unnecessary.

Sorry it doesn’t suit your specific desire.
 

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I agree the job of the reviewer is to review the disc they're given, not necessarily to have awareness of, or make comparisons to, prior versions. There are other sites that provide that info, if one desires to look.

My interest is in the quality of the disc being reviewed, not other versions.
 

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In this case, we’re talking about one other version, but each review can have all sorts of permutations of how many prior releases there have been. To dismiss Todd’s review as incomplete somehow is unnecessary.

Sorry it doesn’t suit your specific desire.
And stunningly rude. Reviewers at HTF are volunteers. They (we) spend hours upon hours of our free time to provide reviews for readers here and, when faced with such utter dismissive rudeness, sometimes wonder if its even worth it. Passive/aggressive references to "the reviewer" are also cowardly and unappreciated.

Thanks for the review Todd!
 

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And stunningly rude

Agreed. This is not [insert name of any forum where rudeness prevails]. We have always prided ourselves on civility, and that first comment really is out of bounds. Maybe the commenter didn't mean to come across that way, but tone is difficult to convey in an online medium, so one should always consider that when choosing their words in a post.

Thanks to Todd and all of the reviewers here at HTF. And thank you to the members too who may not always agree with the reviewers, but find constructive and polite ways to help improve a review thread, versus making blanket pronouncements.
 

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Hopefully, someone who has both the Criterion and the new 4K/UHD versions will post such comparisons;
but, nonetheless, at least Mr. Erwin was quite clear and upfront about what he was reviewing.
Having neither the Criterion nor 4K/UHD, I would be eager to know which way to go.
But, until then, I welcome all reviews from all fronts;
which also includes the sometimes duplicate physical media reviews of any given title by two different members.
Different inputs, different insights and different information; all have consistently been useful to me.
Indeed, the contributions from each and every one of our HTF writers remains much appreciated.
Thanks for this review, Todd.:thumbs-up-smiley:
 
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I wonder if the DNR Todd noticed is burned into the master.
 

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I wonder if the DNR Todd noticed is burned into the master.
I don't have it, but I don't remember hearing any complaints about DNR on the Criterion disc.
 

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I agree the job of the reviewer is to review the disc they're given, not necessarily to have awareness of, or make comparisons to, prior versions. There are other sites that provide that info, if one desires to look.

My interest is in the quality of the disc being reviewed, not other versions.
I try my best to offer comparisons between different versions, as that's part of the job.

If you own a prior release, you need to know whether the new one is an upgrade.

I don't claim all reviewers need to perform heroic measures to do this - I don't argue the Todd needed to buy the Criterion to make his review useful - but comparisons are an important part of the gig...
 

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Yup. Comparisons are great...when they can happen.

But they can't always happen. And when they can't happen, it's not cool to rudely complain that a well-written and composed review is invalid due to its exclusion.

And now we've got a review thread on the new release of Pan's Labyrinth that has gone on for nearly a full page and has hardly discussed any aspects of the review or the release.
 

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Thank you Todd. Sorry but I always come to these reviews to see if what I currently have is worth upgrading to what is newly being reviewed and in this case I wasn’t provided that information after reading. Time is very valuable to me- My bad?
 
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