NEW TIME LIFE Release: I Got You Babe: The Best Of The Sonny & Cher (Includes some Cher Shows too!)

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Just happen to look on Time Life’s website today and discovered they are releasing the Best of Sonny & Cher’s Variety Shows (“Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour”, “Cher” and “Sonny and Cher” (the show after the divorce). 10 DVD Collection is called “I Got You Babe: The Best Of Sonny & Cher”. Lots of Bonus extras and mostly all the episodes (except for 1 episode I noticed) have never been released on DVD before (I believe the episode of “The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour” with guest Caroll O’Connor (From “All In The Family”) is the only repeated show from a previous DVD release). Looking forward to getting this one!!! Check it out:

https://timelife.com/products/i-got-you-babe-the-best-of-sonny-cher

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  1. I'm looking forward to this release. I hope all of the music numbers are intact. Having 5 episodes of Cher is a nice touch. It would have been nice to have something from The Sonny Comedy Revue represented as well.

  2. This has been at the top of my Holy Grail list forever (since the dawn of DVD's, heck the dawn of VHS! lol ). I am thrilled Time-Life has released this set and have placed my order. I too am hoping that future sets are to come and that eventually all episodes of all 4 series (Sonny Comedy Revue included) are released complete and uncut. Would be nice to also see the two Cher TV specials that followed, "Cher…Special" 1978 and "Cher…And Other Fantasies" 1979 released as bonus features as well.

  3. This is nice but I would prefer if the whole thing was released at one time as a complete series, like they did with Laugh-In, but maybe that would be too expensive. I'll think about ordering this, but right now it's not high on my priority list.

  4. I ordered my set. It's kind of a bummer. While it will be great to have better quality copies of these episodes, I have all of them already. Two of the Cher episodes will be an upgrade to complete episodes. All the rest of the ones Time Life listed I have only in the 1/2 hour VH1 versions. The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour and The Sonny & Cher Show episodes listed I have complete and uncut (as far as I know). At least there is only one previously released episode. For the post divorce show I wish they would have released the very first episode. It's one that I don't have (I haven't seen it since it originally aired in 1976) and Sonny & Cher made some really good jokes about their divorce. At the time, it was one of the highest rated shows the night it aired. Everyone tuned in to see what Sonny & Cher said and how they were going to act after that rather ugly divorce. It's a unfortunate that more of the post divorce show hasn't been released. It wasn't a bad show. It was, in some ways, a much funnier show.

  5. Brian Himes

    I ordered my set. It's kind of a bummer. While it will be great to have better quality copies of these episodes, I have all of them already. Two of the Cher episodes will be an upgrade to complete episodes. All the rest of the ones Time Life listed I have only in the 1/2 hour VH1 versions. The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour and The Sonny & Cher Show episodes listed I have complete and uncut (as far as I know). At least there is only one previously released episode. For the post divorce show I wish they would have released the very first episode. It's one that I don't have (I haven't seen it since it originally aired in 1976) and Sonny & Cher made some really good jokes about their divorce. At the time, it was one of the highest rated shows the night it aired. Everyone tuned in to see what Sonny & Cher said and how they were going to act after that rather ugly divorce. It's a unfortunate that more of the post divorce show hasn't been released. It wasn't a bad show. It was, in some ways, a much funnier show.

    That episode is in the previous DVD set.

  6. If you are referring to the first episode of the post divorce show, that has not been released. It aired February 2, 1976. The first episode of the regular run of the Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour (airing December 27, 1971) is on the previous set but not the first episode of The Sonny & Cher Show (post divorce). The earliest episode from The Sonny & Cher Show (post divorce) on the previous set is from October 24, 1976 (the second season). The other two episodes of the Sonny & Cher Show on the previous set are from 1977 (February 4 and March 11).

  7. After enduring so many musical cuts on “The Carol Burnett Show” sets from Time-Life, it’s particularly jumping out at me that nowhere do they say anything like “Complete” or “Uncut” anywhere about this set.

  8. Brian Himes

    If you are referring to the first episode of the post divorce show, that has not been released. It aired February 2, 1976. The first episode of the regular run of the Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour (airing December 27, 1971) is on the previous set but not the first episode of The Sonny & Cher Show (post divorce). The earliest episode from The Sonny & Cher Show (post divorce) on the previous set is from October 24, 1976 (the second season). The other two episodes of the Sonny & Cher Show on the previous set are from 1977 (February 4 and March 11).

    I'm sure you are correct. I'll have to look again. I know there definitely is a show where right at the beginning, Sonny tells the audience something like, "I hate to break this to you, but Cher and I aren't married any more." That's why I was thinking it was the first one.

  9. mrz7

    Just happen to look on Time Life's website today and discovered they are releasing the Best of Sonny & Cher's Variety Shows. […]
    Lots of Bonus extras and mostly all the episodes (except for 1 episode I noticed) have never been released on DVD before (I believe the episode of "The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour" with guest Caroll O'Connor (From "All In The Family") is the only repeated show from a previous DVD release).

    Thanks for brining this to our attention, I hadn't known about this.
    However, NONE of these episodes are repeated from any previous release.

    Here are the release dates of the previously released 9 episode set and the episodes in this Time-Life release:
    (starred episodes are the previously released set)

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour
    Season 1
    8-1-71 (Jimmy Durante)

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour
    Season 2
    12-27-71* (Glenn Ford, Harvey Korman, Robert Merrill, Cameo: Carroll O'Connor)
    1-3-72 (Tony Curtis, Dinah Shore)
    1-10-72 (Carroll O'Connor)
    2-14-72* (Burt Reynolds)
    2-21-72 (Art Carney)
    3-20-72* (Merv Griffin)

    Season 3
    9-15-72* (Larry Storch, Ronald Reagan, Jackson 5)
    9-22-72 (Jerry Lewis, The Supremes)
    11-24-72 (Jim Brown, Bobby VInton)
    2-7-73 (Jim Nabors)

    Season 4
    9-12-73* (Chuck Connors, Howard Cosell)
    9-26-73 (Sonny & Cher Years Special, Part 1)
    11-28-73 (Sonny & Cher Years Special, Part 2)
    1-16-74* (Ken Berry, Danny Thomas, George Foreman)
    2-20-74 (Joe Namath, Righteous Brothers)

    The Cher Show
    Season 1
    2-9-75 (Elton John, Bette Midler, Flip WIlson)
    3-16-75 (David Groh, Jackson 5, Lily Tomlin)
    4-27-75 (Tim Conway, Kate Smith, Ike & Tina Turner)
    5-11-75 (Greg Allman, Carol Burnett, Dennis Weaver)

    Season 2
    11-9-75 (Steve Martin, Wayne Newton, The Spinners)

    The Sonny & Cher Show
    Season 1

    Season 2
    10-10-76 (Bob Hope, The Jacksons)
    10-24-76* (Ruth Buzzi, Alex Karras, Donny & Marie)
    1-21-77 (Ken Berry, Betty White, Flip Wilson)
    2-4-77* (Glen Campbell, Farrah Fawcett, Don Knotts)
    2-18-77 (Muhammad Ali, Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis Jr., Lyle Waggoner)
    3-11-77* (David Steinberg, Shields & Yarnell, Tina Turner)

  10. MartinP.

    Thanks for brining this to our attention, I hadn't known about this.
    However, NONE of these episodes are repeated from any previous release.

    Here are the release dates of the previously released 9 episode set and the episodes in this Time-Life release:
    (starred episodes are the previously released set)

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour
    Season 1
    8-1-71 (Jimmy Durante)

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour
    Season 2
    12-27-71* (Glenn Ford, Harvey Korman, Robert Merrill, Cameo: Carroll O'Connor)
    1-3-72 (Tony Curtis, Dinah Shore)
    1-10-72 (Carroll O'Connor)
    2-14-72* (Burt Reynolds)
    2-21-72 (Art Carney)
    3-20-72* (Merv Griffin)

    Season 3
    9-15-72* (Larry Storch, Ronald Reagan, Jackson 5)
    9-22-72 (Jerry Lewis, The Supremes)
    11-24-72 (Jim Brown, Bobby VInton)
    2-7-73 (Jim Nabors)

    Season 4
    9-12-73* (Chuck Connors, Howard Cosell)
    9-26-73 (Sonny & Cher Years Special, Part 1)
    11-28-73 (Sonny & Cher Years Special, Part 2)
    1-16-74* (Ken Berry, Danny Thomas, George Foreman)
    2-20-74 (Joe Namath, Righteous Brothers)

    The Cher Show
    Season 1
    2-9-75 (Elton John, Bette Midler, Flip WIlson)
    3-16-75 (David Groh, Jackson 5, Lily Tomlin)
    4-27-75 (Tim Conway, Kate Smith, Ike & Tina Turner)
    5-11-75 (Greg Allman, Carol Burnett, Dennis Weaver)

    Season 2
    11-9-75 (Steve Martin, Wayne Newton, The Spinners)

    The Sonny & Cher Show
    Season 1

    Season 2
    10-10-76 (Bob Hope, The Jacksons)
    10-24-76* (Ruth Buzzi, Alex Karras, Donny & Marie)
    1-21-77 (Ken Berry, Betty White, Flip Wilson)
    2-4-77* (Glen Campbell, Farrah Fawcett, Don Knotts)
    2-18-77 (Muhammad Ali, Marilyn McCoo & Billy Davis Jr., Lyle Waggoner)
    3-11-77* (David Steinberg, Shields & Yarnell, Tina Turner)

    I remember Carroll O'Connor being on once and singing a vocal version of "Remembering You," the closing theme song of "All In The Family" (which he co-wrote). But I don't know which show that was. It's not the one on the previous set. That would be nice to have.

  11. JohnMor

    After enduring so many musical cuts on “The Carol Burnett Show” sets from Time-Life, it’s particularly jumping out at me that nowhere do they say anything like “Complete” or “Uncut” anywhere about this set.

    I agree. Other than a couple of shows, all of the listed Sonny & Cher Comedy Hours (along with many more) ran complete and uncut in TVLand's early days, so I'll be holding on to my copies. I'm not sure what the story is with the show TL lists as 1/10/72 with Carroll O'Connor, since the guest on the show broadcast on that date was Kate Smith.
    Also: The claim that the "Cher" shows have been "unseen since they first aired 40 years ago" is specious. In fact, the premiere was aired on VH-1 in 1-hour form, and many others were aired in 30-minute form on VH-1. GET-TV also has aired several "Cher" shows in more recent times.

  12. Mark Y

    I'm sure you are correct. I'll have to look again. I know there definitely is a show where right at the beginning, Sonny tells the audience something like, "I hate to break this to you, but Cher and I aren't married any more." That's why I was thinking it was the first one.

    Yes, the show you are referring to is indeed from the first Sonny & Cher Show (post divorce) that aired on Feb 2, 1976, but it has of yet, never been officially released on any DVD sets. I tried to download a video of the clip but it kept saying the file was too big (had it down to 8.5mb) but here is a pic from the episode.
    View attachment 60897

    Will see if this works:
    Link:

  13. cherisland

    Yes, the show you are referring to is indeed from the first Sonny & Cher Show (post divorce) that aired on Feb 2, 1976, but it has of yet, never been officially released on any DVD sets. I tried to download a video of the clip but it kept saying the file was too big (had it down to 8.5mp4) but here is a pic from the episode.
    View attachment 60897

    Okay. I pulled out the set, I was sure that episode was on there, but indeed it's not!

    What the heck is going on? I could swear (or affirm) that I saw it, and on DVD in fairly recent times as opposed to first-run or reruns. Also — again, I'm sure you know your stuff — but February 1976? That seems early to me for the "reunion" series.

    Well, shows you what I know.

  14. From what Cher has said over the years, she found it increasingly difficult to host a show all on her own. So, she opted to team up with Sonny again. CBS and Cher ended her show December 1975. The last aired episode of Cher was January 4, 1976. Everything got quickly ironed out and within two months Sonny & Cher were back. The first episode of the new show aired February 1, 1976. It was a short 1st season. Only 11 episodes were produced. The shows complete 2nd season started on September 26, 1976.

    I have all but 5 episodes of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour as they aired on TV Land eons ago. I am missing 8 episodes of The Sonny & Cher Show. I have 7 complete episodes of Cher (all the rest that I have are 30 minute versions from VH1). I did manage to get another copy of the first episode of Cher from GetTV and it did have some additional footage that VH1 didn't show so I was able to put together a more complete version of that episode. GetTV also aired the Christmas episode of Cher and I got that one since I didn't have that one before.

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour that had Carroll O'Connor singing 'Remembering You' is indeed the 1/10/72 episode. I have it but the 'Remembering You' portion is missing for some reason. I did manage to get that off You Tube and put it back together properly. Also, one of the Comedy Hour episodes I have with the Supremes is missing their solo song. Hopefully this is the episode that is getting released on the new set. As just about all of the episodes of these shows that I have I didn't actually tape myself, I had to take them as they were. From what I could tell from the running times, only those two episodes in my collection were missing stuff.

    I'm looking forward to this new set but I was hoping that Time LIfe would have done a more comprehensive set like their Carol Burnett sets. Maybe if this sells super, super well they may release another set or two. I hope so. I'd like to see more of the post divorce show and Cher's show get released.

  15. I agree, even though there's not much new here that collectors don't already have, it makes sense to support the release in the hopes that it leads to future releases.

    With regards to the 2/1/76 episode, there were clips of the opening monologue on the VH1 Behind the Music which aired in 1998/99 somewhere around there, that's likely why you might remember seeing it more recently than 1976.

  16. I just checked my episode list and the episode of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour that is missing the Supremes solo song is from 1/23/74. I found the performance on You Tube so I can put that episode back together in a more complete version.

    I'll have to check out my Cher Behind The Music for those clips. I don't recall seeing them but it has been a very long time since I watched that show.

  17. lj01

    I agree, even though there's not much new here that collectors don't already have, it makes sense to support the release in the hopes that it leads to future releases.

    With regards to the 2/1/76 episode, there were clips of the opening monologue on the VH1 Behind the Music which aired in 1998/99 somewhere around there, that's likely why you might remember seeing it more recently than 1976.

    You are probably correct, as I was a regular viewer of Behind The Music and True Hollywood Story.

    I hope "Remembering You" makes the cut but as there is no mention of "complete episodes" and that segment evidently was cut before, all bets are off. In any case, I will give it some time and try to get a deal like I did for the red Carol Burnett "best of" collection.

    Thanks for all the info!

  18. Brian Himes

    There were also 3 Christmas episodes released. Two episodes from The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour (12/20/72 and 12/19/73) and one episode from The Sonny & Cher Show (12/5/76).

    These Christmas episodes, however, were edited, whereas the 9 episode collection was not:

    The Sonny & Cher Christmas Collection:

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour
    12/20/72 (35:30)
    12/19/73 (37:10)

    The Sonny & Cher Show
    12/5/76 (45:35)

    I must add that we do not know if the episodes in this Time Life set are complete or not.

  19. John Karras

    I agree. Other than a couple of shows, all of the listed Sonny & Cher Comedy Hours (along with many more) ran complete and uncut in TVLand's early days, so I'll be holding on to my copies. I'm not sure what the story is with the show TL lists as 1/10/72 with Carroll O'Connor, since the guest on the show broadcast on that date was Kate Smith.

    What source do you have for the Kate Smith guesting? (Your TV Land recording?)

    Brian Himes

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour that had Carroll O'Connor singing 'Remembering You' is indeed the 1/10/72 episode. I have it but the 'Remembering You' portion is missing for some reason. I did manage to get that off You Tube and put it back together properly.

    The IMDB episode listing for the 1/10/72 episode has info from the 12/27/71 episode listed, which is obviously incorrect.

    The TV.com listing for 1/10/72 shows the guest stars listed as Carroll O'Connor, Jean Stapleton and Jimmy Durante and this rundown:
    1. Sonny and Cher open the show with "Good Day Sunshine" and banter about how Sonny sets Cher up for the big laughs.
    2. "Information Please" — The Presidential assistant to Marketing, Research and Economic Stability (Carroll) attempts to explain President Nixon's wage and price freeze.
    3. Cher sings "What a Difference a Day Makes"
    4. Sonny, dressed in a costume of feathers, announces that he's been studying birds and plans to be the first man to fly.
    5. "The Vamps" — Napoleon (Carroll) returns home to an unfaithful Josephine (Cher) after his war with the Russians, and Delilah (Cher) learns that the secret of Samson's (Carroll's) strength lies in his hair.
    6. Cher sings "Mountain Greenery" and "Big Yellow Taxi", while showing an animated satire on pollution by cartoonist John Wilson.
    7. Carroll proves to a skeptical Sonny that his singing voice can shatter wood.
    8. Carroll sings his own lyrics to "Remembering You", the closing theme song heard at the end of each "All In the Family" show.
    9. Sonny and Cher perform a medley of "Stagger Lee" and "Rip It Up"
    10. "The Cultural Spot" — In an opera based on TV commercials, Princess Celery (Cher) reveals that she wishes to wed Oscar of Vienna (Sonny) even though he is just a mere commoner and not of noble blood.
    11. Sonny and Cher, joined by Carroll, close the show with "Remembering You."

    So, Kate Smith (from John Karras' source) and Jimmy Durante (from the TV.com source) are not in that synopsis at all.

    :unsure::wacko::unsure:

  20. The list I have shows the Kate Smith episode as airing 1/17/72. According to my list the Carroll O'Connor episode aired 1/10/72. I have both episodes. I haven't watched them in a long time but I can check them out to see what the breakdown of sketches and songs were. The Carroll O'Conner song 'Remembering You' is just him with piano accompaniment.

  21. I received my TimeLife Sonny & Cher collection this past Saturday & I have to say that I was disappointed. The film quality is very good but a lot is omitted. All of Cher's solos are omitted on The S & C Comedy Hour & S & C Show and some of their duets have one of their two songs cut out. Some skits are shortened or omitted. Also, on the DVD of The Sonny & Cher Years where they had various Rock & Roll guests of the 1960's, all songs are omitted during the "duet segment". They just show the opening group singing & then the end. I know you hear about music rights but all of this was shown on the TVLand airings. I grew up watching them with the family & an hour show only had about 4 minutes of commercial time in the 1960's/70's because shows had sponsors back then that would take care of the advertising dollars. I timed the 1st two shows of TimeLife & they were 45 minutes & not the 55/56 minutes of the original programming. I already had all of these shows from the 70 DVD set that you can buy on Amazon, ebay, etc. from when TVLand aired them back in the 1990's. Although good, the 70 DVD set film quality isn't as good as TimeLife but the 70 DVD set contains about 53/54 minutes of programming per episode. I would say that the 70 DVD set is a better buy because it's about the same cost, has a lot more episodes (along with other features like movie "Good Times" & vintage songs), & the musical numbers are included. We now have 87 full episodes of their shows (62 Comedy Hour & 25 of S & C Show) plus several Cher Show episodes. The TimeLife collection has a nice booklet included & I looked it over before playing any DVD. The booklet showed Cher & Sonny's widow, Mary, involved in this project so I was hoping that is would be uncut original programming. It would be nice if this can happen in the future & that episodes that you can't find on DVD, will be made available.

  22. MartinP.

    These Christmas episodes, however, were edited, whereas the 9 episode collection was not:

    The Sonny & Cher Christmas Collection:

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour
    12/20/72 (35:30)
    12/19/73 (37:10)

    The Sonny & Cher Show
    12/5/76 (45:35)

    I must add that we do not know if the episodes in this Time Life set are complete or not.

    Yes, the Christmas episodes were severely edited but the other episodes had some editing too. Several of them don't have the ending where they thank their guests & do a little bantering before singing "I Got you Babe". They just say goodnight & leave the stage. I think some of the funnier moments are at the closing & wish they had included them on all episodes.

  23. Blimpoy06

    I'm looking forward to this release. I hope all of the music numbers are intact. Having 5 episodes of Cher is a nice touch. It would have been nice to have something from The Sonny Comedy Revue represented as well.

    I got mine this past Saturday & all of Cher's solos on The S & C Comedy Hour & S & C Show are omitted. Some of their duets are also omitted or one of two songs they sing are cut out.

  24. Blimpoy06

    I'm looking forward to this release. I hope all of the music numbers are intact. Having 5 episodes of Cher is a nice touch. It would have been nice to have something from The Sonny Comedy Revue represented as well.

    I got my set this past Saturday & all of Cher's solos on The S & C Comedy Hour & S & C Show are omitted. Also, their duets are omitted or one of two songs they sing are cut.

  25. Mark Y

    Okay. I pulled out the set, I was sure that episode was on there, but indeed it's not!

    What the heck is going on? I could swear (or affirm) that I saw it, and on DVD in fairly recent times as opposed to first-run or reruns. Also — again, I'm sure you know your stuff — but February 1976? That seems early to me for the "reunion" series.

    Well, shows you what I know.

    Yes, it was Feb 2 1976. There's a YT video of a Dec 1975 press conference by CBS announcing the show. Sonny & Cher are there answering questions from reporters. It was a big media event.

  26. JayP.

    Yes, it was Feb 2 1976. There's a YT video of a Dec 1975 press conference by CBS announcing the show. Sonny & Cher are there answering questions from reporters. It was a big media event.

    What's crazy about this is, I was there and I remember when this was all going on. But I thought the Cher solo show went on longer and the reunion show came later than it did. I also have no memory of "The Sonny Comedy Revue" at all.

  27. Brian Himes

    Well, this is a bummer. Looks like this set is going to be crap. i expected better from Time Life. Looks like the only things on the set worth having are the Cher episodes that I don't already have.

    I thought Time Life would do a better job too. I don't know if you saw another post I had but the booklet included with the DVDs showed that Cher & Sonny's widow, Mary, was involved in this project. I looked it over before playing any DVD. When I saw that Cher was involved, I figured she would make sure the entire show was available…especially the songs she sang.

  28. Yeah, I saw that. Having Cher involved one would think that these would be the best presentations possible. Sadly, it looks like Time Life just didn't want to pony up the bucks to present these correctly. This is obviously just a quick cash grab and screw the quality. This should have been more apparent with the low episode count. Especially with only 3 episodes of The Sonny & Cher show being presented.

    MartinP.

    These Christmas episodes, however, were edited, whereas the 9 episode collection was not:

    The Sonny & Cher Christmas Collection:

    The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour
    12/20/72 (35:30)
    12/19/73 (37:10)

    The Sonny & Cher Show
    12/5/76 (45:35)

    You know, the funny thing about these Christmas episodes is that Get TV aired them as well. I believe that they aired just the 12/19/73 episode of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour and I taped it. Upon comparing it to the released version, I didn't noticed any significant difference. I believe that I have the TV Land version of the 12/20/72 Christmas episode. The Sonny & Cher Show Christmas episode is pretty much complete. There is only about 5-7 minutes cut. I might have this one from TV Land as well. I'll have to look.

  29. I just checked and I have the TV Land version of the Sonny & Cher Show Christmas episode. The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour Christmas shows I only have the official DVD versions. Get TV did air one of those a couple of years ago and I am pretty certain it was the one from 12/19/73.

  30. I just got my set in the mail today. I've started going through it. I started with the Che episodes since that disc has episodes that I don't have. So far, the first episode is all there but I'm only at the Elton John solo number. This number was cut from the Get TV airing but was on the VH1 airing. Well, back to the TV to watch more.

  31. John Karras

    I agree. Other than a couple of shows, all of the listed Sonny & Cher Comedy Hours (along with many more) ran complete and uncut in TVLand's early days, so I'll be holding on to my copies. I'm not sure what the story is with the show TL lists as 1/10/72 with Carroll O'Connor, since the guest on the show broadcast on that date was Kate Smith.
    Also: The claim that the "Cher" shows have been "unseen since they first aired 40 years ago" is specious. In fact, the premiere was aired on VH-1 in 1-hour form, and many others were aired in 30-minute form on VH-1. GET-TV also has aired several "Cher" shows in more recent times.

    Time Life is correct. The episode that aired Jan. 10, 72 was Carroll O'Connor with cameos by Jean Stapleton & Jimmy Durante. The next week was with Kate Smith & it aired Jan 17,72.

  32. JayP.

    I thought Time Life would do a better job too. I don't know if you saw another post I had but the booklet included with the DVDs showed that Cher & Sonny's widow, Mary, was involved in this project. I looked it over before playing any DVD. When I saw that Cher was involved, I figured she would make sure the entire show was available…especially the songs she sang.

    Neither Cher nor Mary Bono would have much to do with the music rights. Not any more than Carol Burnett had for her sets, which featured music edits as well. Sometimes it’s just a question of budget and sometimes the rights holders won’t give the okay for any reasonable amount of money.

  33. JohnMor

    Neither Cher nor Mary Bono would have much to do with the music rights. Not any more than Carol Burnett had for her sets, which featured music edits as well. Sometimes it’s just a question of budget and sometimes the rights holders won’t give the okay for any reasonable amount of money.

    Yes, I know that music rights is a big issue for variety shows & that's why you don't see them on retro TV networks very often. That's why I'm surprised that my TVLand DVDs of Sonny & Cher includes pretty much all (if not all) musical numbers. Also surprised that the songs omitted on TimeLife were sung by Cher & I would think those would be the easier ones to show verses guest appearances..

  34. JayP.

    Yes, I know that music rights is a big issue for variety shows & that's why you don't see them on retro TV networks very often. That's why I'm surprised that my TVLand DVDs of Sonny & Cher includes pretty much all (if not all) musical numbers. Also surprised that the songs omitted on TimeLife were sung by Cher & I would think those would be the easier ones to show verses guest appearances..

    A big part of the music rights issue has to do with publishing rights costs, which is a whole separate thing from royalties due to the performers — although they have to pay for that too.

    So did "Remembering You" make the cut?

  35. Mark Y

    So did "Remembering You" make the cut?

    I'll check. I haven't really started going through the set yet. I'm in the middle of Space: 1999, but I'll take a quick look and let you know.

    Just checked and yes, Remembering You is there and intact where it should be.

  36. JayP.

    Yes, I know that music rights is a big issue for variety shows & that's why you don't see them on retro TV networks very often. That's why I'm surprised that my TVLand DVDs of Sonny & Cher includes pretty much all (if not all) musical numbers.

    It is my understanding that the music rights issue affects DVD and other media pressings (since they were non-existent at the time), not over the air presentations and syndication. Which is why the TVLand presentations would be more complete with edits occurring for time, not content.

  37. Brian Himes

    I'll check. I haven't really started going through the set yet. I'm in the middle of Space: 1999, but I'll take a quick look and let you know.

    Just checked and yes, Remembering You is there and intact where it should be.

    Thanks for the info!

  38. Gary Seven

    It is my understanding that the music rights issue affects DVD and other media pressings (since they were non-existent at the time), not over the air presentations and syndication. Which is why the TVLand presentations would be more complete with edits occurring for time, not content.

    Thanks for the info. I was wondering why because we were watching the episode with Tony Curtis & Dinah Shore (Time Life version) tonight & Dinah's solo is included but when Sonny & Cher do their duet, the portion when Dinah comes in & sings is cut but is on TVLand version. Also seems odd that they will show 1 of their duet songs on Time Life but cut the 2nd one. I know The Carol Burnett Show now has complete & uncut episodes on Time Life so I hope they will be able to do that with S & C Comedy Hour & S & C Show down the road. The TVLand episodes have about 52/54 minutes for the most part but I would like to see all the closings in full when they thank their guests, banter a little, then sing "I Got You Babe". On a few, they just say good night & walk off stage.

  39. Mark Y

    A big part of the music rights issue has to do with publishing rights costs, which is a whole separate thing from royalties due to the performers — although they have to pay for that too.

    So did "Remembering You" make the cut?

    Is "Remembering You" a solo that Cher sung? If it's from the S & C Comedy Hour or S & C Show, it was cut because no Cher solo is on the Time Life DVDs. If it's from Cher, I didn't watch those. I think Cher has done great songs, acting, etc. over the years but when I've watched a few scenes from her CBS show, in the past, it seemed awkward to me. I think the chemistry Sonny & Cher had with each is what made their shows so funny.

  40. No, "Remembering You" is Carroll O'Connor's solo spot in the 1/10/72 episode. This is the vocal version of the ending theme to All In The Family. The TV Land version that I have had the song missing but it was on YouTube so I did manage to put it back into the correct episode in the correct place.

  41. JayP.

    Is "Remembering You" a solo that Cher sung? If it's from the S & C Comedy Hour or S & C Show, it was cut because no Cher solo is on the Time Life DVDs. If it's from Cher, I didn't watch those. I think Cher has done great songs, acting, etc. over the years but when I've watched a few scenes from her CBS show, in the past, it seemed awkward to me. I think the chemistry Sonny & Cher had with each is what made their shows so funny.

    I see it has already been answered. I should have known what "Remembering You" song was. As stated it is on the Time Life version & also at the end when he sings it with Sonny & Cher.

  42. TV Land aired 65 episodes complete and uncut so you're best bet is to just stick with your recordings from there rather than anything else.

    By the way, I don't know where someone is getting 55 minutes from. Even in the dawn of television, no hour show ran that long. For CBS in the early 70s, you're probably looking at a running time of 50-51 minutes.

  43. Neil Brock

    TV Land aired 65 episodes complete and uncut so you're best bet is to just stick with your recordings from there rather than anything else.

    By the way, I don't know where someone is getting 55 minutes from. Even in the dawn of television, no hour show ran that long. For CBS in the early 70s, you're probably looking at a running time of 50-51 minutes.

    Actually, TV shows in the 1960's did run about 55/56 minutes. On YT, there's a full length 1966 episode of Hollywood Palace with Sonny & Cher (Milton Berle is host) with original ads (some still b&w, even though show is in color) & the ads total about 4 minutes. Back then a lot of shows had sponsors that helped with the production cost. This episode is sponsored by "your local electric company" & they had pretty much the 1st 30 minutes & then a couple 30 second ads for products like Prell Shampoo or Ultra Brite. The shows would start at top of the hour, about 15 minutes later you have a couple of 30 second or so ads, bottom of the hour the same as at :45 of hour. Then 1 or 2 minutes of ads before next show. It's great to see so much on YT because you do forget how different TV was back then compared to today. I do have some S&C episodes in my collection that are 53 minutes or so but the opening telling guest stars might be omitted or closing a little shorter, so I'm guessing that it might be around 54 minutes or so.

  44. I notice on both my earlier DVD and Time Life DVD, that the Carroll O'Connor episode has 1 of 3 Vamp skits omitted. They show the characters when they all come out in front of the piano at end. Wonder if that part of tape got damaged or what the reason is for the deletion. I would like to see that complete vamp skit some day.

  45. Neil Brock

    TV Land aired 65 episodes complete and uncut so you're best bet is to just stick with your recordings from there rather than anything else.

    By the way, I don't know where someone is getting 55 minutes from. Even in the dawn of television, no hour show ran that long. For CBS in the early 70s, you're probably looking at a running time of 50-51 minutes.

    Some of my TVLand episodes that I bought from the 70 set DVD have some omitted but overall mostly intact. I'll see a skit on YT once in awhile but when I watch my DVD, that scene is omitted.

  46. Neil Brock

    TV Land aired 65 episodes complete and uncut so you're best bet is to just stick with your recordings from there rather than anything else.

    By the way, I don't know where someone is getting 55 minutes from. Even in the dawn of television, no hour show ran that long. For CBS in the early 70s, you're probably looking at a running time of 50-51 minutes.

    Some of my TVLand episodes that I bought from the 70 set DVD have some omitted but overall mostly intact. I'll see a skit on YT once in awhile but when I watch my DVD, that scene is omitted.

  47. JayP.

    Some of my TVLand episodes that I bought from the 70 set DVD have some omitted but overall mostly intact. I'll see a skit on YT once in awhile but when I watch my DVD, that scene is omitted.

    When was there a 70 episode DVD of the show released?

  48. Neil Brock

    When was there a 70 episode DVD of the show released?

    Neil Brock

    When was there a 70 episode DVD of the show released?

    Not sure who did it or how long ago, but I've seen it on ebay, Amazon, sell.com & ioffer. I got my through The Film Collectors Society of America..http://www.thefilmcsa.com. Their website shows what is on all the discs. It's a total of 67 Comedy Hour/S & C Show plus The Cher Show & The Sonny & Cher Nitty Gritty Hour special, among other things. They are mostly (if not all) from TVLand airing in the 1990's & the hour version. Some of the stuff is omitted for TVLand's ad time but has more scenes than the 2 different Official sets that I have of the same episode. All the music seems to be in each episode. We were watching one today with Tony Randall & it had 51 minutes actual show time but the end of thanking guests, banter, & singing "I Got You Babe" was omitted (probably 2/3 minutes) & they just say their goodnight & walk off stage (which some episodes of official sets do that too). Some have TVLand ads while others are ad free. Each episode is usually about 50/51 minutes of show. A few are closer to 45 minutes & I have some that are 53 minutes. I assume it was VHS tapes transferred to DVD.

  49. JayP.

    Not sure who did it or how long ago, but I've seen it on ebay, Amazon, sell.com & ioffer. I got my through The Film Collectors Society of America..http://www.thefilmcsa.com. Their website shows what is on all the discs. It's a total of 67 Comedy Hour/S & C Show plus The Cher Show & The Sonny & Cher Nitty Gritty Hour special, among other things. They are mostly (if not all) from TVLand airing in the 1990's & the hour version. Some of the stuff is omitted for TVLand's ad time but has more scenes than the 2 different Official sets that I have of the same episode. All the music seems to be in each episode. We were watching one today with Tony Randall & it had 51 minutes actual show time but the end of thanking guests, banter, & singing "I Got You Babe" was omitted (probably 2/3 minutes) & they just say their goodnight & walk off stage (which some episodes of official sets do that too). Some have TVLand ads while others are ad free. Each episode is usually about 50/51 minutes of show. A few are closer to 45 minutes & I have some that are 53 minutes. I assume it was VHS tapes transferred to DVD.

    Sorry to say JayP…..but that is not an "official release" of the show. That would be considered a bootleg of the show. The only official release of the "Sonny and Cher Comedy Hour / Sonny and Cher Show" are two that were released:

    1.) "The Sonny & Cher Ultimate Collection" – Released in 2003 by R2 Entertainment / Paul Brownstein Production. Contains 9 episodes – 6 shows from "The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour" and 3 shows from "The Sonny & Cher Show".

    2.) "The Sonny & Cher Christmas Collection" – Released in 2004 by R2 Entertainment / Paul Brownstein Production. Contains 3 episodes. 2 shows from "The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour" and 1 show from "The Sonny & Cher Show".

    I believe both releases had very little edits (I know for sure the Christmas release had a couple of edits)….but these are the only "Official" releases of "The Sonny & Cher" variety shows. The DVDs you bought I believe is a bootleg copy that usually do sell on ebay or ioffers…..especially when they were taped from TVLand. The only other "official" release now is the one just released by Time Life featuring 18 episodes (10 shows of "The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour", 5 episodes of the "Cher (solo) Show", and 3 episodes of "The Sonny & Cher Show"). And from what I am reading (from this post) the Time Life release has a substantial amount of edits (and that's unfortunate). .

  50. mrz7

    Sorry to say JayP…..but that is not an "official release" of the show. That would be considered a bootleg of the show. The only official release of the "Sonny and Cher Comedy Hour / Sonny and Cher Show" are two that were released:

    1.) "The Sonny & Cher Ultimate Collection" – Released in 2003 by R2 Entertainment / Paul Brownstein Production. Contains 9 episodes – 6 shows from "The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour" and 3 shows from "The Sonny & Cher Show".

    2.) "The Sonny & Cher Christmas Collection" – Released in 2004 by R2 Entertainment / Paul Brownstein Production. Contains 3 episodes. 2 shows from "The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour" and 1 show from "The Sonny & Cher Show".

    I believe both releases had very little edits (I know for sure the Christmas release had a couple of edits)….but these are the only "Official" releases of "The Sonny & Cher" variety shows. The DVDs you bought I believe is a bootleg copy that usually do sell on ebay or ioffers…..especially when they were taped from TVLand. The only other "official" release now is the one just released by Time Life featuring 18 episodes (10 shows of "The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour", 5 episodes of the "Cher (solo) Show", and 3 episodes of "The Sonny & Cher Show"). And from what I am reading (from this post) the Time Life release has a substantial amount of edits (and that's unfortunate).

    ALSO NOTE: The new Time Life release does not contain any repeated shows from the prior 2 releases. All the episodes on the Time Life release are new to DVD. 🙂

    If you reread my post, you'll see that I didn't refer the 70 DVD set as an official release but they are available on various websites like the one I purchased mine. This set is pretty common on actual "for sale" websites that have nothing to do with ebay, ioffer, etc. When I was referring to comparisons, I wasn't comparing the Time Life verses the Ultimate Collection by R2 (I have the 2 you mention above & Time Life) but comparing the official to the 70 DVD set.

    Also, there are quite a bit edits to all 3 official releases. I'm talking strictly about the Comedy Hour & S & C Show. The new Time Life has no Cher solos, several of their duets have 1 of 2 songs cut out & all the songs done on both episodes of The Sonny & Cher Years by various Rock N Roll guests stars during the "duet" part of those 2 episodes are deleted. I timed just the first two episodes & they were each 45 minutes long of about 52/54 minutes of original programming in the 1970's.

    The Christmas shows are greatly edited. I know one is only about 37 minutes long from what would have been about 52/54 minutes of programming in the 1970's. The other 2 were about 45 minutes.

    As for other edits of the Ultimate Collection, I'll give one of several examples because I know my responses are long. The episode with The Jackson 5 & Ronald Reagan has a 12 minute operetta skit omitted from original programming.

    It would be great if there is an official release in the not too distant future of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour & The Sonny & Cher Show that is complete & uncut. Also, I would like to see episodes that haven't been shown in many years made available.

  51. JayP.

    It would be great if there is an official release in the not too distant future of The Sonny & Cher Comedy Hour & The Sonny & Cher Show that is complete & uncut. Also, I would like to see episodes that haven't been shown in many years made available.

    That's never going to happen. As for the TV Land airings, if you were that big of a fan of the show, you would have recorded them yourself instead of relying on the shoddy put together bootlegs, which we shouldn't be discussing here to begin with.

  52. Neil Brock

    That's never going to happen. As for the TV Land airings, if you were that big of a fan of the show, you would have recorded them yourself instead of relying on the shoddy put together bootlegs, which we shouldn't be discussing here to begin with.

    Didn't realize I was a fan until about 8 months ago when I saw a YT video of them & watched it to see if I thought it was as funny as I did when I was a kid when we watched it as a family. I did & it brought back fun memories of my parents when they were alive. As for recording it myself, as a quad for the last 36 years, it's kind of hard for me to record anything without two good hands to work with. I hope you take your own advice about this discussion & won't have to hear anymore about what you think of how big of a fan I am.

  53. Neil Brock

    That's never going to happen. As for the TV Land airings, if you were that big of a fan of the show, you would have recorded them yourself instead of relying on the shoddy put together bootlegs, which we shouldn't be discussing here to begin with.

    Not everyone had cable TV, and some people didn't have VCR's. Not everyone was like you and recorded a gazillion shows. My parents had satellite in that era and TV Land was not an offering. The guy is new, so cut him some slack. People's tastes change over the years as to what they're interested in. I'm listening right now to Big Band era music, something I wouldn't have dreamed of 20 years ago. Maybe you don't mean to nasty, but you come across that way.

    Edited: I have the flu, so it got edited to be a little nicer.

  54. Well an unfortunate aspect of life is that opportunities are presented and opportunities are taken away. I'm sorry now that I didn't record Name of the Game, which ran every Sunday night on WCBS. Now putting together a full run of the show is virtually impossible. I'm sure that there were people who may have recorded the whole series in the early 80s when it was running but good luck finding them. Most of the hobbyists from that era are either not alive any longer or out of the hobby. But you can't show up at a game or a concert 3/4 of the way through and then complain about what you missed.

  55. Neil Brock

    Well an unfortunate aspect of life is that opportunities are presented and opportunities are taken away. I'm sorry now that I didn't record Name of the Game, which ran every Sunday night on WCBS. Now putting together a full run of the show is virtually impossible. I'm sure that there were people who may have recorded the whole series in the early 80s when it was running but good luck finding them. Most of the hobbyists from that era are either not alive any longer or out of the hobby. But you can't show up at a game or a concert 3/4 of the way through and then complain about what you missed.

    So true. I probably wouldn't use the taping of a TV show as an analogy of life's trials, but this is a TV/movie forum….so I get it. Adversity in one's life not only causes one to adjust to situations but it also builds character & tolerance of others. Unfortunately, social media can play a negative role in a person's opinion about another without even knowing that person & what they care or don't care about. Hopefully, things will change for the better & we become a more tolerant society. Now that we've each given a little of our life philosophy, let's use the forum for its intended purpose: the entertainment industry.

  56. Neil Brock

    Well an unfortunate aspect of life is that opportunities are presented and opportunities are taken away. I'm sorry now that I didn't record Name of the Game, which ran every Sunday night on WCBS. Now putting together a full run of the show is virtually impossible. I'm sure that there were people who may have recorded the whole series in the early 80s when it was running but good luck finding them. Most of the hobbyists from that era are either not alive any longer or out of the hobby. But you can't show up at a game or a concert 3/4 of the way through and then complain about what you missed.

    It's too bad the advertised DVD release of Name of the Game didn't come to pass, good show, I remember watching some episodes on TV back in the day.

    On the subject of recording stuff from TV, back in the 1980's, about 1984 to 1987, I recorded a bunch of East Side Kids and Bowery Boys movies from WGN-TV in Chicago. I still have the recordings, I edited the commercials out so it's the movies only. These are cool to have because back in those days, WGN ran 16mm prints of the movies and they have that retro/nostalgic look to them. Compare that to nowadays where everything has that new/restored look. In some ways that's a good thing but there's nothing like the charm of an old 16mm print. 🙂

  57. Lecagr

    It's too bad the advertised DVD release of Name of the Game didn't come to pass, good show, I remember watching some episodes on TV back in the day.

    On the subject of recording stuff from TV, back in the 1980's, about 1984 to 1987, I recorded a bunch of East Side Kids and Bowery Boys movies from WGN-TV in Chicago. I still have the recordings, I edited the commercials out so it's the movies only. These are cool to have because back in those days, WGN ran 16mm prints of the movies and they have that retro/nostalgic look to them. Compare that to nowadays where everything has that new/restored look. In some ways that's a good thing but there's nothing like the charm of an old 16mm print. 🙂

    I recorded them off TCM a few years ago and there was one, Mr. Hex I believe, which was in abysmal condition. My guess is that Warner had multiple 16mm syndication prints and discarded all but one without bothering to check the condition. I didn't buy their DVD releases so I wonder if they were ever able to locate any better elements. What you recorded may be better than anything they now have.

  58. Neil Brock

    I recorded them off TCM a few years ago and there was one, Mr. Hex I believe, which was in abysmal condition. My guess is that Warner had multiple 16mm syndication prints and discarded all but one without bothering to check the condition. I didn't buy their DVD releases so I wonder if they were ever able to locate any better elements. What you recorded may be better than anything they now have.

    I didn't buy the retail DVD's either because I'm satisfied with my TV recordings of the movies. One problem with the retail DVD's is that the later Bowery Boys titles, starting with Clipped Wings and going forward, are in widescreen format and I dislike widescreen. All my Bowery Boys TV recordings are in fullscreen, including the later titles.

    I recorded Mr. Hex from WGN back in 1986. I haven't seen the print Warner used for their DVD but the WGN airing I have looks pretty good, maybe a little grainy but otherwise no video issues.

    I think it was back in July of 1985 when WGN aired a really nice looking 16mm print of the East Side Kids movie Docks Of New York. I recorded it and I'm glad I have this because as far as I know it's a rarer title from the series and is seldom seen. Follow The Leader is another East Side Kids movie I recorded from WGN, that's a nice looking print also.

    I have one Bowery Boys movie on 16mm film, I have a 16mm print of Crashing Las Vegas. I think it might be the same print WGN once had but I'm not sure. I had it transferred to DVD a few years back and it looks great.

  59. The TCM airings were the first time that I ever got to see them when they weren't hacked to bits. WNEW in New York ran them for many, many years but always in a one hour time slot which meant that they were cutting at least 15 minutes out of each film. Ouch. The East Side Kids films, which I much prefer as they weren't strictly comedies at that point and they weren't such goody goodies, I recorded off of Comedy Central when they aired them in the early 90s. Still missing a couple of them I believe as well as the very rarely seen and pretty awful Universal series.

  60. Neil Brock

    The TCM airings were the first time that I ever got to see them when they weren't hacked to bits. WNEW in New York ran them for many, many years but always in a one hour time slot which meant that they were cutting at least 15 minutes out of each film. Ouch. The East Side Kids films, which I much prefer as they weren't strictly comedies at that point and they weren't such goody goodies, I recorded off of Comedy Central when they aired them in the early 90s. Still missing a couple of them I believe as well as the very rarely seen and pretty awful Universal series.

    WGN was pretty good when they ran Bowery Boys movies, they usually showed them uncut aside from some of the longer titles that run close to 70 minutes. They would sometimes trim a few minutes off of those longer ones. I have all 48 movies uncut. About 35 of them I recorded from WGN, the rest I recorded from TCM and a few others I got thru the trading circuit.

    I have the Universal series, I agree overall it's not a great series but a few of the films are pretty good. Call A Messenger isn't bad, You're Not So Tough is a good one, Keep Em Slugging is good too and is unique because it's the one and only time Bobby Jordan gets to play the leader of the group. In the East Side Kids and the first eight Bowery Boys movies, Jordan has a supporting role and Leo Gorcey is the leader of the group.

  61. Neil Brock

    TV Land aired 65 episodes complete and uncut so you're best bet is to just stick with your recordings from there rather than anything else.

    By the way, I don't know where someone is getting 55 minutes from. Even in the dawn of television, no hour show ran that long. For CBS in the early 70s, you're probably looking at a running time of 50-51 minutes.

    That is absolutely correct. I have all four of Lily Tomlin's specials from 1973-75 ( from an EXCELLENT source ) they are complete and uncut and they all run 50-52 minutes.

  62. Lecagr

    WGN was pretty good when they ran Bowery Boys movies, they usually showed them uncut aside from some of the longer titles that run close to 70 minutes. They would sometimes trim a few minutes off of those longer ones. I have all 48 movies uncut. About 35 of them I recorded from WGN, the rest I recorded from TCM and a few others I got thru the trading circuit.

    I have the Universal series, I agree overall it's not a great series but a few of the films are pretty good. Call A Messenger isn't bad, You're Not So Tough is a good one, Keep Em Slugging is good too and is unique because it's the one and only time Bobby Jordan gets to play the leader of the group. In the East Side Kids and the first eight Bowery Boys movies, Jordan has a supporting role and Leo Gorcey is the leader of the group.

    Jordan was my favorite and probably the main reason why I like the East Side Kids films the best. I always wondered why Billy Halop was never in any of those but I wasn't a big fan of his anyway. When they started the Bowery Boys series, Jordan wasn't given much to do and was being wasted which I'm sure is why he left. I always considered him the most likeable one in the gang, going back to the original Dead End Kids films.

  63. Neil Brock

    Jordan was my favorite and probably the main reason why I like the East Side Kids films the best. I always wondered why Billy Halop was never in any of those but I wasn't a big fan of his anyway. When they started the Bowery Boys series, Jordan wasn't given much to do and was being wasted which I'm sure is why he left. I always considered him the most likeable one in the gang, going back to the original Dead End Kids films.

    I believe Halop was under contract with Universal doing the Little Tough Guy series and that's why he wasn't in the East Side Kids movies which were filmed for Monogram Pictures.

    Bobby Jordan was a decent actor but once the Bowery Boys series started Jordan's role was reduced to being one of the background characters and he eventually left the series. Bowery Buckaroos was Jordan's last Bowery Boys movie.

    The Bowery Boys series was basically a showcase for Leo Gorcey and Huntz Hall, Leo's father Bernard got his fair share of screen time too as Louie Dumbrowski the soda fountain proprietor. The earlier Bowery Boys films from the 1940's are mostly gangster melodramas. By around 1951 or 52 the series shifted to more a slapstick style of comedy with Huntz Hall becoming increasingly zany and Leo Gorcey with his malapropisms.

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