Has Criterion upgraded the Blu-ray of CHILDREN OF PARADISE? (1 Viewer)

Dick · Feb 23, 2020

Sometimes DVD’s or Blu-rays that were universally criticized are corrected and reissued, as happened with PATTON, GLADIATOR, SPARTACUS and GANGS OF NEW YORK. And sometimes one might not even have heard of the upgrade. I am wondering if Marcel Carnes’ CHILDREN OF PARADISE was ever released with a transfer improved from the original and controversial Blu-ray? Criterion did go back to reissue YOJIMBO after many complaints, and I wonder if that might have happened with the one and just slipped by me. Anyone?

Lord Dalek · Feb 23, 2020

murrayThompson · Feb 23, 2020

Dick said:
Sometimes DVD's or Blu-rays that were universally criticized are corrected and reissued, as happened with PATTON, GLADIATOR, SPARTACUS and GANGS OF NEW YORK. And sometimes one might not even have heard of the upgrade. I am wondering if Marcel Carnes' CHILDREN OF PARADISE was ever released with a transfer improved from the original and controversial Blu-ray? Criterion did go back to reissue YOJIMBO after many complaints, and I wonder if that might have happened with the one and just slipped by me. Anyone?

what was the upgrade to Spartacus for and when was it done?

darkrock17 · Feb 23, 2020

murrayThompson said:
what was the upgrade to Spartacus for and when was it done?

Universal restored it back in 2015 with 12 minutes of added footage and it was restored from large format 35mm original film elements.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Spartacus-Blu-ray/136182/

murrayThompson · Feb 23, 2020

darkrock17 said:
Universal restored it back in 2015 with 12 minutes of added footage and it was restored from large format 35mm original film elements.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Spartacus-Blu-ray/136182/

was there an earlier BD version?
My version is 3hrs 16mins, I wonder if I have the latest version?

darkrock17 · Feb 23, 2020

murrayThompson said:
was there an earlier BD version?
My version is 3hrs 16mins, I wonder if I have the latest version?

The first release was back in 2010 for the 50th Anniversary with a 197 minute run time. Each re-release since 2010 has been 197 minutes.

murrayThompson · Feb 24, 2020

Ok I have two versions and the last one, both are 3Hrs 17mins long, I wonder if there was any differance between my two versions.

Josh Steinberg · Feb 24, 2020

The quality of the video presentation is significantly improved on the 2015 version of Spartacus, but the actual film content is identical.

Robert Harris · Feb 24, 2020

There have been no material changes since 1991. Only new scans.

JohnRice · Feb 24, 2020

What's wrong with the Criterion BR of Children of Paradise?

...ducks for cover...

Stonesfan · Feb 24, 2020

What happened with Yojimbo? I only see one listing for it on bluray.com.

Worth · Feb 24, 2020

JohnRice said:
What's wrong with the Criterion BR of Children of Paradise?

...ducks for cover...

DNRd to hell.

Angelo Colombus · Feb 24, 2020

Blu-ray.com review of the disc says "Traces of moderate to very heavy filtering corrections are easily noticeable throughout the entire film and detail and clarity are seriously compromised".

JohnRice · Feb 24, 2020

Worth said:
DNRd to hell.

Are you talking about actual DNR, or blocking in the blacker than black region that they've been criticized for other times.

Worth · Feb 24, 2020

JohnRice said:
Are you talking about actual DNR, or blocking in the blacker than black region that they've been criticized for other times.

Actual DNR. No grain and real detail obscured.

Purportedly "restored," I was looking forward to bathing in this film's glow.

It didn't happen.

The image is so drained of grain, that I'm not certain what to make of it.

Somewhere along the great, long line of digital restorative powers, someone, somewhere, turned something, that should not have been turned.

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/a-few-words-about-™-children-of-paradise-in-blu-ray.317813/

Lord Dalek · Feb 24, 2020

Basically Pathe did their own 4k scan in 2011. The restoration company did their own agressive grain management on the transfer. Pathe seems perfevtly fine with the subsequent bad restoration job and Criterion is contractually obligated to release what Pathe gave them. So to return to the original question, the answer is obviously

Lord Dalek said:
No.

Lord Dalek · Feb 24, 2020

Stonesfan said:
What happened with Yojimbo? I only see one listing for it on bluray.com.

The dvd was misframed. Apples and oranges though since Criterion actually did that transfer.

Dick · Feb 24, 2020

Lord Dalek said:
The dvd was misframed. Apples and oranges though since Criterion actually did that transfer.

I could have sworn there was an earlier Blu of YOJIMBO (from Criterion) that had artifacting problems. Just a sub-par release. But they did get around to remastering it in any case. Now, Criterion, PLEASE DO THE SAME FOR CHILDREN OF PARADISE!

darkrock17 · Feb 24, 2020

Dick said:
I could have sworn there was an earlier Blu of YOJIMBO (from Criterion) that had artifacting problems. Just a sub-par release. But they did get around to remastering it in any case. Now, Criterion, PLEASE DO THE SAME FOR CHILDREN OF PARADISE!

Yojimbo was released on Blu back in 2010 with spine #52.

Dick · Feb 24, 2020

darkrock17 said:
Yojimbo was released on Blu back in 2010 with spine #52.

Yes, thank you. I own the Blu, but it just gnaws at me that I'm so sure it was released on Blu earlier and had PQ issues. Guess it's just the old dementia, eh?

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