The Definitive A CHRISTMAS CAROL (1951): Starring Alastair Sim

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Much to my surprise, there appears to be not a single HTF Thread that’s dedicated to what is, in my opinion, THE definitive version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL, especially when taking into consideration the numerous DVD Releases, and the Blu-Ray/DVD Sets that have been issued in the last few years!

A Few Fast Facts About A CHRISTMAS CAROL (1951 UK Version):

– Stars Scottish Actor Alastair Sim, who also later voiced Ebenezer Scrooge in a Half Hour animated “Made For Television” Version that was also later issued to Theaters!
– A young Patrick MacNee (Best remembered as Steed on TV’s THE AVENGERS!) appears as the young Jacob Marley. As of October 2014, he is, at 92, also the oldest living A CHRISTMAS CAROL Cast Member!
– Kathleen Harrison, who played Ebenezer’s long suffering Maid, lived to be 103 years old!
– Peter Bull played the first Business Man (Who would go to Scrooge’s funeral only if fed!) and was also the Film’s Narrator!
– Produced by George Minter Productions.
– Released in the UK by Renown Pictures Corporation, Ltd.
– Distributed Theatrically in the U.S. by United Artists.

Perhaps this thread might best be served by HTF Members posting what, for them, is the best quality Home Video Version of this Definitive Christmas Classic in Blu-Ray; DVD; and yes, even the bygone VHS/Betamax Formats; along with any that are best avoided?

Any other tidbits relating to the Film, along with its Cast and Crew would also be greatly appreciated!

CHEERS!

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  1. Great idea. I'll have to watch my Blu Ray edtion (any opportunity to do so is always welcome). I will say that certain DVD releases have some audio cues missing.One of the problems I always fixated on was the black line that follows Scrooges sister when she comes into the schoolroom to tell Scrooge he should come home. I believe it is the result of the moving matte effect.That black line has been removed or drastically minimized on the latest blu Ray edtion.

  2. telzall

    Great idea. I'll have to watch my Blu Ray edtion (any opportunity to do so is always welcome).I will say that certain DVD releases have some audio cues missing.One of the problems I always fixated on was the black line that follows Scrooges sister when she comes into the schoolroom to tell Scrooge he should come home. I believe it is the result of the moving matte effect.That black line has been removed or drastically minimized on the latest blu Ray edtion.

    Hi Joe!

    Upon doing a bit of checking, I've come across three different Blu-Ray Releases (The first in 2009; the second 60th Anniversary Edition in 2011; and the most recent in 2012!). I've just ordered the latest Blu-Ray/DVD Version from Import CD's, via Canadian Amazon, and greatly look forward to viewing this upon its arrival later this Month!

    For years, I had a decent DVD Copy (For which, regrettably I cannot find a Pic of the Cover ANYWHERE online!) that I picked up at our local Grocery Store for Peanuts (Under $3!) back in the early 2000's! While I was looking to order a Blu-Ray Edition last year, the price seemed to be a bit steep for some reason, so I ended up purchasing the Emerald DVD Edition at a local Brick & Mortar Department Store, instead. While the imaging on this is sharp enough, I find that for some medium and distant shots, the sharpness is actually too much, and the imaging doesn't look quite right!

    I've since discovered that the Actor who played young Ebenezer Scrooge, George Cole, is still with us at the age of 89, and is to appear in a film, titled ROAD RAGE, as a Character named Cyril, sometime next year.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  3. Brenty

    I've yet to pick this up on BD and would be grateful if someone could clarify once and for all the names, exact spec and A/V differences between the (three?) releases. If they can be posted here I'll make sure this comparison gets updated:
    http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=19443

    Hi Brent!

    A Christmas Carol 1951: A Tale Of Three Blu-Rays!

    I shall do my best to simplify what I see as a somewhat messy Tale of The 3 Blu-Ray (By VCI.) A CHRISTMAS CAROL Releases! As most of the visual issues seem to fall in the "Clear as Mud" category, my focus will be on the Audio differentiations.

    All three VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo Releases have four words of dialogue missing from the following exchange:
    Joe: You was born to make a fortune ma'am, and you…you certainly will.
    Maid: I certainly won't hold back my hand when I can get something in it…[dropout]…for sake of such a man as he was, I promise you, Joe.

    Note: The missing four words; "for reaching it out," can be heard on the 2005 Morningstar DVD Version. Unfortunately, this one has its own issues, Visually speaking!

    For the 2009 (Which Uses The Dolby Digital Audio Format.), and 2011 (Which Uses The LPCM Audio Format, as does the 2012 Reissue.) VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo Issues, on the 5.1 Surround Track, there is 8 seconds of no dialogue (From 1:21:21-1:21:29). This does not occur on the 2.0 Track. This has been fixed on the 2012 VCI Release. In terms of Technical Specifications and Bonus Features, the 2011 and 2012 Sets are otherwise identical.

    The 2009 VCI Release was reported to have issues with "Echoing Audio," especially on he 5.1 Dolby Digital Surround Track! This was fixed for the VCI 60th Anniversary 2011 Version, and the Dolby Digital Format was also replaced with LPCM. Unique to the 2009 VCI Edition is the 1935 Seymour Hicks (Unfortunately, the 60 Minute Version, not the 78!); and also a 16X9 (YEECH!) Cropped Version!

    For the record, I have ordered the 2012 VCI Set from Import CD's, Via Canadian Amazon, and based on what I've read, is the one that I recommend.

    I fully expect that any day now, VCI will announce a 2014 Christmas Release that will likely restore the Maid's four missing words of dialogue! Please kindly excuse me "For Reaching It Out" a bit with that last comment! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    P.S. You might also find it helpful to read the following Threads, which is the information source for my above post:
    http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=104728

    Here are the Technical Specifications for the VCI 2009 Blu-Ray/DVD Release:
    http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/A-Christmas-Carol-Blu-ray/6118/#Review

  4. The Guillotine Films DVD Version also has the Maid's "For reaching it out" dialogue intact! However, with a running time of 1:22:50, I strongly suspect that something else is missing, though I can't put my finger on just what at the moment!

    The Guillotine Films DVD Cover:
    View attachment 14117

    Unfortunately, the Print itself is decidedly less than Pristine!
    View attachment 14118

    The same shot from the 2005 Emerald Edition DVD by Morningstar Entertainment:
    View attachment 14119

    Also, with a 1:26:07 running time, the Emerald Edition is decidedly more complete!

    After having resampled the Crappy Guillotine Films Edition, I have to ask myself just what was my complaint regarding the Morningstar Entertainment Version? It may not be the very best A CHRISTMAS CAROL With Alastair Sim Print Transfer, but it's still a damn sight better than most of the other PD knockoffs that are out there! And to my knowledge, it isn't missing any dialogue, either! In my opinion, this SHOULD be an easy fix for VCI, given the previous fixes that they have undertaken!

    I'll reserve further judgement until I receive and view the 2012 Edition of A CHRISTMAS CAROL's VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  5. bgart13

    The most recent bd from VCI is the best, hands down. Is it perfect? No, but if I recall correctly, the encoding is better than on their other releases.

    Hi bgart13!

    Yes, it is nice that VCI paid attention to the reported issues dating back to their initial 2009 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD Combo release, especially in regards to the Audio Related shortcomings! I did joke about this in one of my previous posts, but it would be really nice if VCI could perform one last tweak, and restore the Maid's missing "For Reaching It Out" dialogue! It is indeed, too bad that this wasn't spotted sooner, but so it goes, especially considering that there were larger issues with the previous VCI Editions, and I do think it's understandable that "Four Little Words" got missed!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  6. I am a sucker for (and enjoy) just about any adaption of this Charles Dicken's novel and do strongly believe that this is the "definitive" adaption. I have bought just about every dvd / Blu Ray release in Region A along the way but I am very unlikely to buy any future release unless there is a very pressing reason e.g. a true 4k release. Unfortunately, in my opinion, VCI, are moving towards loosing the "goodwill" ( no pun intended ๐Ÿ™‚ ) by making a new release on an almost annual basis ( I know it's not quite that but it certainly feels like that to me)

    So until something really significant turns up I shall happily stick with my VCI release from 2012. But whatever floats your boat.

    Regards,

  7. It's not just you Tony: I was convinced I'd read at least one in-depth thread on the shortcomings of the various ACC BDs on this site, but several searches, using different terms, failed to turn them up for me either.'Tis a great shame that the latest BD still has flawed A/V and looks likely for yet another release at some point. VCI reissuing the same film three times in almost as many years and still not getting it right is really taking the p*ss… Doesn't anyone there actually sit down and watch these things before they sign off on them?

    Seriously, I'd love to know exactly how their (lack of) quality control works, when they're redoing an entire disc because of a few flagged-up audio issues and can't manage to ensure each is ticked off in turn. :angry:

    Although I now know which one to pick up Tony, it's difficult for me to get the DVDCompare pages updated as you keep confusingly mixing up the details of various public domain and 'quality' DVD and BD releases.

    There are any number of PD DVDs out there and they're all much of a muchness. In terms of 'quality' releases, I'm referring only to VCI in the US and Renown or DD in the UK.

    Perhaps you'd like to take a look at these two pages:
    DVD: http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=206
    BD: http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=19443
    …and itemise any existing mistakes or omissions in the individual releases. I'll do the rest.

    It would be useful to many others, I'm sure to get this info all in one place, instead of across multiple 'hidden' threads!

  8. In addition to audio oddities, there are digital video glitches in the movie that have yet to be corrected.

    And if I'm remembering correctly, whichever BD I have (one of the earlier ones) was a pain in the ass as far as navigating the menus or avoiding promos or whatever, souring me on VCI releases.

  9. Tony Bensley

    Hi Brent!

    A Christmas Carol 1951: A Tale Of Three Blu-Rays!

    I shall do my best to simplify what I see as a somewhat messy Tale of The 3 Blu-Ray (By VCI.) A CHRISTMAS CAROL Releases! As most of the visual issues seem to fall in the "Clear as Mud" category, my focus will be on the Audio differentiations.

    All three VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo Releases have four words of dialogue missing from the following exchange:
    Joe: You was born to make a fortune ma'am, and you…you certainly will.
    Maid: I certainly won't hold back my hand when I can get something in it…[dropout]…for sake of such a man as he was, I promise you, Joe.

    Note: The missing four words; "for reaching it out," can be heard on the 2005 Morningstar DVD Version. Unfortunately, this one has its own issues, Visually speaking!

    For the 2009 (Which Uses The Dolby Digital Audio Format.), and 2011 (Which Uses The LPCM Audio Format, as does the 2012 Reissue.) VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo Issues, on the 5.1 Surround Track, there is 8 seconds of no dialogue (From 1:21:21-1:21:29). This does not occur on the 2.0 Track. This has been fixed on the 2012 VCI Release. In terms of Technical Specifications and Bonus Features, the 2011 and 2012 Sets are otherwise identical.

    The 2009 VCI Release was reported to have issues with "Echoing Audio," especially on he 5.1 Dolby Digital Surround Track! This was fixed for the VCI 60th Anniversary 2011 Version, and the Dolby Digital Format was also replaced with LPCM.

    For the record, I have ordered the 2012 VCI Set from Import CD's, Via Canadian Amazon, and based on what I've read, is the one that I recommend.

    I fully expect that any day now, VCI will announce a 2014 Christmas Release that will likely restore the Maid's four missing words of dialogue! Please kindly excuse me "For Reaching It Out" a bit with that last comment! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    P.S. You might also find it helpful to read the following Threads, which is the information source for my above post:
    http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=104728

    Here are the Technical Specifications for the VCI 2009 Blu-Ray/DVD Release:
    http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/A-Christmas-Carol-Blu-ray/6118/#Review

    Hi Brent!

    I've edited the above post in an attempt to make it clearer which specs belong to each. Also, upon rereading the Review for the initial 2009 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo, I see that the Seymour Hicks Edited 1 Hour Version and the 16×9 Cropped Version (YEECH!) with Alastair Sim, wasn't on this, but on yet another previously issued VCI 2 DVD Set! Thus, I have excised that erroneous information from my above quoted post (It is too late to edit my original post, unfortunately!), accordingly!

    This HTF Member greatly regrets error!

    I do hope this helps!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  10. Since I have both the 2009 and 2011 VCI releases, I'm really not anxious to buy it from them still a third time. Could you clarify the following:

    "For the 2009 (Which Uses The Dolby Digital Audio Format.), and 2011 (Which Uses The LPCM Audio Format, as does the 2012 Reissue.) VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo Issues, on the 5.1 Surround Track, there is 8 seconds of no dialogue (From 1:21:21-1:21:29). This does not occur on the 2.0 Track. This has been fixed on the 2012 VCI Release. "

    Does this mean the 8 seconds of missing dialogue are present on the 2.0 track of the 2011 (60th anniversary) release?

    Thank you Tony… I appreciate the specs you've posted and share your enthusiasm for this great movie! ๐Ÿ™‚

  11. Please kindly note that

    WilliamMcK

    Since I have both the 2009 and 2011 VCI releases, I'm really not anxious to buy it from them still a third time. Could you clarify the following:

    "For the 2009 (Which Uses The Dolby Digital Audio Format.), and 2011 (Which Uses The LPCM Audio Format, as does the 2012 Reissue.) VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo Issues, on the 5.1 Surround Track, there is 8 seconds of no dialogue (From 1:21:21-1:21:29). This does not occur on the 2.0 Track. This has been fixed on the 2012 VCI Release. "

    Does this mean the 8 seconds of missing dialogue are present on the 2.0 track of the 2011 (60th anniversary) release?

    Thank you Tony… I appreciate the specs you've posted and share your enthusiasm for this great movie! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Hi Biff!

    Based on what I've read, only the 5.1 Surround Tracks contain the 8 Seconds of no dialogue, and that the said Audio IS present on the 2.0 Audio Tracks for both.

    It is indeed, unfortunate that the same four words of the Maid's dialogue is missing from ALL three VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo Versions!

    Please also kindly note that the 16×9 Cropped Widescreen and 1935 Seymour Hicks Versions are NOT on the 2009 Blu-Ray/DVD Combo, as I erroneously stated in Post #6. I would edit out this error if I could, but HTF's deadline for doing so has unfortunately passed, thus it appears that we are stuck with this most grievous factual error! :wub: My apologies for this!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  12. Tony Bensley

    Please also kindly note that the 16×9 Cropped Widescreen and 1935 Seymour Hicks Versions are NOT on the 2009 Blu-Ray/DVD Combo, as I erroneously stated in Post #6. I would edit out this error if I could, but HTF's deadline for doing so has unfortunately passed, thus it appears that we are stuck with this most grievous factual error! :wub: My apologies for this!

    Tony:

    I have fixed that for you.

  13. I appreciate the effort you've gone to on this Tony, but your continued combining of specs and faults for all three BDs is making my head hurt trying to figure out which is which!

    Can you please just simply detail the specs and A/V issues for each release separately, noting what is wrong with each individual one? That's. One. After. The. Other… First. The. DVDs. Then. The. BDs.

    If the DVDs included in the BD/DVD combi packs have A/V issues can you detail those separately too please?

    Note exactly which release you're referring to each time.

    I'm aware that (possibly) all this info is available somewhere but I really don't want to rake through three lengthy threads and several reviews trying to find it. Reading them all at least once was enough and each time I dip back in I just get more confused. If I can get those comparisons updated I can spare someone else this headache!

  14. View attachment 14143

    [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Here are the three DVD editions and two Blu-Ray/DVD editions I own. If anyone wants to know about these, I can certainly check for issues, differences, or anything else. The most recent Blu-Ray is the one I'll watch, but there are extras on all of them, and they vary. I will say that the Seymour Hicks "Scrooge" that is a bonus feature on the 2 DVD set is in Public Domain condition, and is just under an hour long, unlike the 78-minute Blackhawk Films Collection version that I have from Image.[/SIZE]

  15. What I'm most curious about is if there is any difference between the 60th Anniv 2011 release and the 2012 release (they have the same cover minus the 60th Anniv label on the later release). Tony has documented one audio difference (the 2011 is missing 8 seconds of audio in its 5.1 track, but not on the 2.0… whereas the 2012 is not missing audio on either track). But there are other minor issues with the 2011 that could have been corrected ("floating" floor panels in the Marley's Ghost scene… and the necessity of turning off the 24fps mode from my player so the image plays smoothly).

  16. VCI's original blu-ray was ok at the time, but since getting the Diamond Anniversary edition and then the one from 2012, the original bd is no good. The mastering is much better on the latest editions.

  17. bgart13

    VCI's original blu-ray was ok at the time, but since getting the Diamond Anniversary edition and then the one from 2012, the original bd is no good. The mastering is much better on the latest editions.

    To be honest, the overall view that I got from reading the "A Christmas Carol 1951 – Alastair Sim Scrooge 60th Review" Blu-ray.com Topic, was that if you don't already have the 2009 or 2011 Editions, that the 2012 Version is the one to buy. The two VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Reissues were basically revised fixes, as the initial 2009 Release was overall, the mot problematic.

    To address to Brenty as to why I haven't isolated each of the 3 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo releases in detailing the specifications and associated problems with each are twofold:

    -Firstly, in my opinion, I believe that the way in which I have detailed these has already made it pretty darn understandable. If anyone else disagrees with me, do please feel free to post your opinions, but I simply fail to see the issue here! To aid in the purchasing decisions of others, I would simply advise they buy the Revised 2012 VCI Set, and not to even bother about either of the other two, especially the now extremely overpriced 60th Anniversary 2011 Edition!

    -Secondly, I have not as yet, actually viewed ANY of the VCI releases, and have solely gone by other peoples postings. While I have no problem detailing the Audio related issues, which appear to be rather straightforward, there seems to be some inconsistency in terms of the reported Video issues, in that, supposedly if you don't have the right brand of Blu-Ray Player (Our Samsung is apparently on the "Wrong Brand" list!), your video is basically liable to look like a dog's dinner, so to speak! Quite frankly, all of the Video B.S. that's been associated with the VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Sets is giving me a headache!

    Once I receive my 2012 VCI Set, and have had a chance to view it (On our "inferior" Samsung Blu-Ray Player!), I might feel differently.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  18. bgart13

    I will admit one nice thing about the Diamond Anniversary release was the insert booklet that was included. But yes, I'll probably watch the 2012 release most often.

    Not a big deal, but is the booklet not also included on the 2012 VCI Release?

  19. Tony Bensley

    Not a big deal, but is the booklet not also included on the 2012 VCI Release?

    Nope. I put the booklet from the 2011 Blu-Ray in with the 2012 Blu-Ray, so now it's a Super Ultimate Collector's Edition. Incidentally, the DVD version at the top left of my picture has the Roan Group logo on it. It's a replication of their Laserdisc version, which at the time was easily the best home video version ever, except that the DVD is two-sided, with the colourized version on a separate side. It also contains the Patrick MacNee introduction and the Max Fleischer "Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer" cartoon, in colour on both sides, as well as 18 still-frame pages of cast biographies and production notes, including detailed articles about the 5000 pounds' worth of dolls used in the film, the 1,232,500 pounds' worth of insurance taken out on London's Royal Exchange by the production, and Bette Davis' comments about Alastair Sim. None of these materials is on any of my other discs, and I'm happy to have them.

  20. Charles Smith

    And have the "dancing floorboards" settled down?

    Hi Charles!

    This is yet another Video issue that I wasn't aware of until today!

    What I may do upon receiving my 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo is to do some DVD Screenshot comparisons with this and my 2005 Morningstar Entertainment Emerald DVD Edition. This should at least provide some clue as to how much better the 2012 Version is, Visually speaking!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  21. Tony Bensley, on 07 Oct 2014 – 3:41 PM, said:[​IMG]

    Tony Bensley

    Not a big deal, but is the booklet not also included on the 2012 VCI Release?

    davidmatychuk

    Nope. I put the booklet from the 2009 Blu-Ray in with the 2012 Blu-Ray, so now it's a Super Ultimate Collector's Edition. Incidentally, the DVD version at the top left of my picture has the Roan Group logo on it. It's a replication of their Laserdisc version, which at the time was easily the best home video version ever, except that the DVD is two-sided, with the colourized version on a separate side. It also contains the Patrick MacNee introduction and the Max Fleischer "Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer" cartoon, in colour on both sides, as well as 18 still-frame pages of cast biographies and production notes, including detailed articles about the 5000 pounds' worth of dolls used in the film, the 1,232,500 pounds' worth of insurance taken out on London's Royal Exchange by the production, and Bette Davis' comments about Alastair Sim. None of these materials is on any of my other discs, and I'm happy to have them.

    Hi David!

    Regarding the booklet, I think you meant from the 2011 VCI 60th Anniversary Edition. Anyway, thank you very kindly for the clarification! While its non inclusion on the 2012 Edition is slightly disappointing, this is by no means, a deal-breaker for me, which is good, considering that I've already ordered this from Import CD's, and it is on its way even as I'm typing this!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  22. moviebuff75

    Yeah, when Scrooge is in the chair (when Marley appears), the floor behind him starts popping in and out. I would like to know if this was fixed for the 2012 version.

    I never noticed this before, but it's there in the 2012 version, along with the other anomalies people have noticed, as far as I can tell. I think all they did was fix the audio issue on the 2011 version (VCI did send me, as they promised by email, a copy of the 2012 version a few months after Christmas 2011). I love this movie, and I'm glad to have this version on Blu-Ray. I don't expect a better version ever, unless maybe Criterion were to get involved (let the Christmas hinting begin).

  23. Tony Bensley

    Tony Bensley, on 07 Oct 2014 – 3:41 PM, said:[​IMG]
    Hi David!

    Regarding the booklet, I think you meant from the 2011 VCI 60th Anniversary Edition. Anyway, thank you very kindly for the clarification! While slightly disappointing, this is by no means, a deal-breaker for me, which is good, considering that I've already ordered this from Import CD's, and it is on its way even as I'm typing this!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Right! When VCI sent me my 2012 replacement version (I think it was April 2012), I put the booklet inside and gave away the (mildly) defective 2011 version to a friend. I still have the different 2009 version as you can see, but I lost track of where the booklet came from. I've corrected the original post, like The Ghost Of Christmas Carol Posts Past would do.

  24. moviebuff75, on 07 Oct 2014 – 6:10 PM, said:[​IMG]

    moviebuff75

    Yeah, when Scrooge is in the chair (when Marley appears), the floor behind him starts popping in and out. I would like to know if this was fixed for the 2012 version.

    davidmatychuk

    I never noticed this before, but it's there in the 2012 version, along with the other anomalies people have noticed, as far as I can tell. I think all they did was fix the audio issue on the 2011 version (VCI did send me, as they promised by email, a copy of the 2012 version a few months after Christmas 2011). I love this movie, and I'm glad to have this version on Blu-Ray. I don't expect a better version ever, unless maybe Criterion were to get involved (let the Christmas hinting begin).

    Hi David!

    Do you know whether this Visual anomaly is also on the DVD?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  25. Yes, it is. Here is my complete "Floating Floor" comparison of the ten versions I have here. "Yes" means the planks are bouncin':

    2012 Blu-Ray: Yes.
    2012 DVD: Yes.
    2009 Blu-Ray: Yes.
    2009 DVD: Yes.
    2007 DVD (4 X 3 Black and White): No.
    2007 DVD (16 X 9 Black and White): No.
    2007 DVD (Colourized): No.
    2005 Emerald DVD: No.
    1998 VCI/Roan Group (Black and White): No.
    1998 VCI/Roan Group (Colourized): No.

    I think it's safe to say that the problem crept in when the attempt was made to improve the image for Blu-Ray. They really cleaned it up, but in taking out speckles and markings I believe they caused other problems. Now that I've seen this, I'll still watch the most recent Blu-Ray before the others, but the others will get the odd spin too. I was keeping them all for one reason or another anyhow, and now I'm sort of pleased to think of their transfers as being adorably flawed rather than outdated altogether.

  26. davidmatychuk

    Yes, it is. Here is my complete "Floating Floor" comparison of the ten versions I have here. "Yes" means the planks are bouncin':

    2012 Blu-Ray: Yes.
    2012 DVD: Yes.
    2009 Blu-Ray: Yes.
    2009 DVD: Yes.
    2007 DVD (4 X 3 Black and White): No.
    2007 DVD (16 X 9 Black and White): No.
    2007 DVD (Colourized): No.
    2005 Emerald DVD: No.
    1998 VCI/Roan Group (Black and White): No.
    1998 VCI/Roan Group (Colourized): No.

    I think it's safe to say that the problem crept in when the attempt was made to improve the image for Blu-Ray. They really cleaned it up, but in taking out speckles and markings I believe they caused other problems. Now that I've seen this, I'll still watch the most recent Blu-Ray before the others, but the others will get the odd spin too. I was keeping them all for one reason or another anyhow, and now I'm sort of pleased to think of their transfers as being adorably flawed rather than outdated altogether.

    Hi David!

    Thank you very much for kindly sharing this list! While I had been thinking in terms of unloading my 2005 Emerald Edition DVD by Morningstar Entertainment upon receiving the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Set, I'm now thinking that I'll be hanging onto this by dint of the Maid's 4 word dialogue that is missing from all three VCI BD/DVD Editions! Also, it is indeed, appearing more and more to me as though VCI may have slightly overdid it with A CHRISTMAS CAROL's Video Restoration, though I do still look forward to viewing its overall results!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Note: For those who really want the Booklet Insert that's included on the VCI 60th Anniversary Edition, I just noticed upon checking Amazon (Both Canada and U.S.) that their base price is currently well under $20.

  27. davidmatychuk

    The Emerald Edition also lets you pick "A Christmas Carol" or "Scrooge" as your opening credits, which is unique. Keep 'em all, I say!

    Hi David!

    Unless I'm missing something, my Emerald Edition DVD doesn't have this particular feature!

    Here are some Screenshots, consisting of the Main Menu, and the other Main Sub Menus; none of which appear to offer the Dual Opening Credits Option:

    View attachment 14169

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    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  28. [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]What year is on the back of your copy of the Emerald Edition? I'm thinking there's more than the one 2005 edition I have. As you can see, the menus and options on mine are quite a bit different from yours. Also, mine has no subtitles at all. The "Scrooge" option is an alternate title sequence, and it switches somewhat awkwardly (there's a brief black screen) to "A Christmas Carol" at Chapter 3. Does your copy have the booklet I'm holding? Is there "Morningstar Entertainment" prominently featured on the packaging? Is the Emerald Edition a Canadian-only release (or releases)? It's all [/SIZE]very strange, but part of the fun of Christmas is the mystery of it.

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  29. Hi David!

    Nope. The back of my case does bear the year 2005, but the menu style is otherwise different, and I don't have the separate "Play A Christmas Carol/Play Scrooge" options. My Emerald Edition doesn't include the Booklet, either! ๐Ÿ˜›

    I think that I got the "Bare Bones" Emerald Edition, instead of the "Bright & Shiny" One! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    CHEERS!

    Tony

    P.S. Morningstar Entertainment is Featured on the Back Cover!

  30. Tony Bensley

    Hi David!

    Nope. The back of my case does bear the year 2005, but the menu style is otherwise different, and I don't have the separate "Play A Christmas Carol/Play Scrooge" options. My Emerald Edition doesn't include the Booklet, either! ๐Ÿ˜›

    I think that I got the "Bare Bones" Emerald Edition, instead of the "Bright & Shiny" One! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    CHEERS!

    Tony

    P.S. Morningstar Entertainment is Featured on the Back Cover!

    That's crazy. I wonder which version their Blu-Ray takes after? Here's a link to the very excellent "NIXPIX" review site, where Nick (also a Canadian!) reviews the VCI Blu-Ray and mentions the Emerald Edition unfavourably:

    http://nixpixdvdmoviereviewsandmore.blogspot.ca/2012/12/scrooge-aka-christmas-carol-renown.html

    And here's a link where you'll find more harsh words by yet another fellow Canadian:

    http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-blu-ray-software/1194403-christmas-carol-1951-alastair-sim.html

    I see Walmart's website lists the Emerald Edition Blu-Ray (from E1 Entertainment) for $10. I might have to get one just for comparison.
    I guess I'll go to Kickstarter now to raise funds.

  31. Tony Bensley, on 08 Oct 2014 – 09:59 AM, said:[​IMG]

    Tony Bensley

    Hi David!

    Nope. The back of my case does bear the year 2005, but the menu style is otherwise different, and I don't have the separate "Play A Christmas Carol/Play Scrooge" options. My Emerald Edition doesn't include the Booklet, either! ๐Ÿ˜›

    I think that I got the "Bare Bones" Emerald Edition, instead of the "Bright & Shiny" One! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    CHEERS!

    Tony

    P.S. Morningstar Entertainment is Featured on the Back Cover!

    davidmatychuk

    That's crazy. I wonder which version their Blu-Ray takes after? Here's a link to the very excellent "NIXPIX" review site, where Nick (also a Canadian!) reviews the VCI Blu-Ray and mentions the Emerald Edition unfavourably:

    http://nixpixdvdmoviereviewsandmore.blogspot.ca/2012/12/scrooge-aka-christmas-carol-renown.html

    And here's a link where you'll find more harsh words by yet another fellow Canadian:

    http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-blu-ray-software/1194403-christmas-carol-1951-alastair-sim.html

    I see Walmart's website lists the Emerald Edition Blu-Ray (from E1 Entertainment) for $10. I might have to get one just for comparison.
    I guess I'll go to Kickstarter now to raise funds.

    Hi David!

    That's a good question regarding the Emerald Edition Blu-Ray! Perhaps there's two Versions of this, also?

    I now wonder whether the A/V Sync issue that was reported for the "Marley's Ghost" Sequence on the Emerald Blu-Ray also applies to the earlier DVD Edition? I think that this does bear checking!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    P.S. Upon checking, I can now state that the "Marley's Ghost" Sequence is in proper A/V Sync on my Emerald DVD!

  32. davidmatychuk

    From the Morningstar Entertainment Proofreader (unofficial):

    I tried to tell President Ron Moring that it was "Sim", not "Sims".

    Thank you,

    David Matychuk

    Hi David!

    While getting Alastair's first name misspelled might be understandable (Heck, even I'm guilty of that! ๐Ÿ˜› ), how could the Morningstar President get Sim wrong, especially when you alerted him? I've never seen that misspelling of his surname anywhere else! At least John Harkness got it right!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  33. Although I love the Alastair Sim version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL (I love many versions of it). it takes second place to George C. Scott's version. For me, that one is the definitive one. I'm happy to have a good copy of the Sim version, after many years of faded viewings.

  34. The version with George C. Scott is my favourite colour version, but if I need to pick my all-time favourite, it's Alastair Sim all the way. Having said that, I even have numerous print editions of "A Christmas Carol", so I agree totally with John about loving many filmed versions too.

  35. I've heard many great things about the George C. Scott version, though I must confess that I've never seen this! Maybe someday.

    Over the decades, I've seen numerous variations of the "A Christmas Carol" story, and some are actually quite entertaining. In my opinion, the story itself is so marvelous, that it is very hard to completely ruin, though there have been a few valiant attempts! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    One that I remember not particularly liking was AN AMERICAN CHRISTMAS CAROL, starring Henry Winkler, though I haven't viewed this in over 30 years! The much more recent animated version with Jim Carrey providing the Ebenezer Scrooge voice-over was pretty good, but I felt that too many key parts were skipped over for this to ever become a true Yuletide classic, though I could be wrong about that! Regarding the 1938 MGM version, I've always thought that Reginald Owen was simply wrong for the part, fine actor that he was! In my opinion, MGM's first choice, Lionel Barrymore would have been far better as ole' Ebenezer, especially the miserly, pre transformation incarnation!

    However, for me, none of these can touch Alastair Sim's quintessential Ebenezer Scrooge, who portrayed the insufferable miser and the "giddy, merry as a schoolboy" post transformed Ebenezer with equal aplomb! Had this been Mr. Sim's only film appearance (And many aren't aware of any of his other numerous films!), he would still be equally well remembered today!

    If pressed to reveal any weakness within the 1951 version, I would say George Cole (Who is still living, as of October, 2014!) as young Ebenezer Scrooge. Oh, George is all right! He's just no Alastair Sim!

    But then again, who is?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  36. I probably should give the George C. Scott version a viewing at some point, as this isn't at all difficult, or expensive to obtain. Ironically, I have a DVD copy of the 1938 MGM version that I purchased at Wal-Mart for $5 a couple of Christmases back, though more for the 2 minute Judy Garland "Silent Night" extra, than for the Reginald Owen version itself, though I have also given that a viewing! Am I the only one who finds the Tiny Tim character a bit too annoyingly wide eyed in the MGM version?

    Meanwhile, I'm hoping to receive the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD edition of A CHRISTMAS CAROL sometime this week!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  37. The MGM version is my least favorite of the traditionally told versions of the story. I really like the Disney version with Jim Carrey, which is saying a lot, since I neither like Carrey, nor the motion capture process. Carrey's Ghost of Christmas Past is my favorite version of the character from any film. It's also an excellent example of a modern 3D film. As for Scott vs. Sim, I wasn't even comparing the two Scrooge's, just the overall production. The Scott version is my favorite, overall.

  38. Albert finney's scrooge is a good one. I own several versions of a Christmas carol as well.Finney's, and sim's are my 2 favorites. The Jim carrey disney one was good too.I just recently picked up mickeys Christmas carol. I don't think I have seen it since it was in the theater!!

  39. View attachment 14307

    Here are all of the versions of "A Christmas Carol" that I have on commercially-available video formats, not one of which doesn't have some distinct feature that makes it essential to my collection. The laserdisc is of the 1938 MGM version with Reginald Owen, and it has the bonus featurettes that are on the DVD, plus a 1941 "The Night Before Christmas" Tom and Jerry cartoon I don't have on anything else. Top to bottom, the stack contains "Scrooged" (Bill Murray, Blu-Ray), "Scrooge" (Albert Finney, musical, Blu-Ray), "An American Christmas Carol" (Henry Winkler, Blu-Ray), "Disney's A Christmas Carol" (Jim Carrey, 3D Blu-Ray set), "The Muppet Christmas Carol" (Michael Caine, Blu-Ray), "A Christmas Carol" (George C. Scott, Blu-Ray), "A Christmas Carol" (Alastair Sim, 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD), "A Christmas Carol" (Alastair Sim, 2011 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD), "A Christmas Carol" (Reginald Owen, DVD), "A Christmas Carol" (Patrick Stewart, 1999, DVD), "A Christmas Carol The Movie" (animated, 2001, DVD), "A Christmas Carol The Musical" (Kelsey Grammer, 2004, DVD), "A Christmas Carol" (Alastair Sim, VCI 2007 2 DVD set, also includes colourized version, and a 60 minute version of the 1935 Seymour Hicks version), "A Christmas Carol" (Alastair Sim, 1998 VCI/Roan Group DVD, also includes colourized version), "A Christmas Carol" (Alastair Sim, 2005 Emerald Edition DVD, also includes alternate "Scrooge" opening credits option), "Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol" (animated, DVD), "The Muppet Christmas Carol" (Michael Caine, DVD includes extended version), "Scrooge" (Albert Finney, DVD also includes lovely optional 4-minute overture), "Scrooge" (Seymour Hicks, 1935 78-minute version, Image/Blackhawk Collection DVD), "Mickey's Christmas Carol" (animated, DVD), "Ebenezer" (Jack Palance, 1999 Western adaptation, DVD), and "A Christmas Past" (includes 1910 Edison silent version). That's a whole lot of Christmas Eve redemption!

  40. Tony Bensley

    Hi David!

    I presume it is from this Laptop that you type your marvelous posts?

    Here is my Acer Aspire Laptop from which I type my posts, and make my DVD screenshots, such as the ones from the A CHRISTMAS CAROL Emerald Edition DVD. No, it doesn't have 3D display!
    [​IMG]PIC_0481.JPG

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Yes it is. I bought it after Christmas 2011, when it was more than 50% off its original price. I was looking for a laptop mostly so that I could Skype family members back east with my mom, and this filled the bill. The 3D function actually is a fun way to watch a 3D Blu-Ray, and I usually do buy 3D Blu-Ray versions of new movies just for that reason.

  41. davidmatychuk

    And here's a link where you'll find more harsh words by yet another fellow Canadian:

    http://www.avsforum.com/forum/150-blu-ray-software/1194403-christmas-carol-1951-alastair-sim.html

    Hey David, I'm the fellow Canadian who made this post on AVSForum way back when. If I recall, I originally had the Morningstar Emerald DVD, and never had any real issues with it. I then upgraded to the Morningstar Emerald Edition on Blu-ray and really didn't see a major upgrade in the Video department. I noticed a lot of dropped frames and such. The biggest issue I found were a lot of audio sync problems. I think it was just an early Blu-ray and had problems. Maybe the US version was better, I don't know. All I know is the one I bought was basically unwatchable. I since got rid of it. I bought the 2012 VCI Blu-ray version which was vastly superior.

  42. Kilgore

    Hey David, I'm the fellow Canadian who made this post on AVSForum way back when. If I recall, I originally had the Morningstar Emerald DVD, and never had any real issues with it. I then upgraded to the Morningstar Emerald Edition on Blu-ray and really didn't see a major upgrade in the Video department. I noticed a lot of dropped frames and such. The biggest issue I found were a lot of audio sync problems. I think it was just an early Blu-ray and had problems. Maybe the US version was better, I don't know. All I know is the one I bought was basically unwatchable. I since got rid of it. I bought the 2012 VCI Blu-ray version which was vastly superior.

    Hi Kilgore!

    At one time, I had considered purchasing the Emerald Edition Blu-Ray, but based on what I've read, especially from your posting, it appears that the DVD is actually better, overall!

    I guess that you and David and I could be henceforth dubbed the "Canadian Connection," or "The Three Canucks" (Is that also the number of players left on the team that almost ended our Stanley Cup drought a few years back? ๐Ÿ˜‰ )!

    In trying to think of a Canadian connection for the 1951 A CHRISTMAS CAROL, the only one that comes to mind is Patrick MacNee (Young Jacob Marley) in THE NEW AVENGERS, for which the last few episodes were shot in Toronto. I do recall having seen a Bank Of Montreal sign in one of these!

    Anyway Kilgore, Welcome Aboard!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    P.S. Happy Thanksgiving To You And David!

  43. Given how we Canadians have hijacked this part of an American forum, I like "Death From Above". Or is that too hostile for Christmas? Speaking of which, now that Canadian Thanksgiving is over, when is Canadian Christmas again?

  44. Two more Canadian Christmases, in my view, would be the 1987 "A Child's Christmas In Wales" and the 1983 "A Christmas Story", both of which combine establishing shots filmed in Wales and Ohio, respectively, with studio work filmed in Toronto. However, 2012's "A Christmas Story 2" was filmed entirely and unconvincingly in Vancouver, pretending to be Ohio. My buddy worked on it, but we remain friends. "Elf" (2003) is also secretly Canadian, combining New York establishing shots with Vancouver filming (for instance, the interiors of the department store were shot in the downtown flagship store of The Bay). [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]"Santa Clause 2" (they could have called it "Santa Clause 2002") was filmed in Vancouver as well, whatever American city it's supposed to be. I walk my dog [/SIZE][SIZE=14.4444446563721px]up to the high school they used in that one every couple of days; he's not being critical about the movie, and of course I pick up after him. "Santa Clause 3" (2006) was also done here in the same way, but come on, I only have one dog.[/SIZE] Another kind of secretly Canadian film is last year's "All Is Bright", which is mostly and obviously set in New York, but it begins and ends in a fake Quebec fabricated in U.S. locations. Turnabout is fair play, I guess.

  45. Canadian cities always look like Canadian cities, to me. I never understand why they need to be New York or Philadelphia, or whatever other American city for which they never adequately substitute. I'm always taken out of the story, whenever they show street scenes of, obviously Canadian cities. Why not just set the story in Canada? It's some stupid Hollywood thing, among many stupid Hollywood things.

  46. TCM apparently no longer has the rights to broadcast this version of " A Christmas Carol" as a check of their December schedule shows that it is not being shown. They are still doing a night of Christmas Carol movies, but this one, unfortunately is not one of the ones being shown. More reason to get the blu ray.

  47. Garysb

    TCM apparently no longer has the rights to broadcast this version of " A Christmas Carol" as a check of their December schedule shows that it is not being shown. They are still doing a night of Christmas Carol movies, but this one, unfortunately is not one of the ones being shown. More reason to get the blu ray.

    Hi Gary!

    I thought that the Alastair Sim version was in the Public Domain?!?!? Hence, all of the DVD/Blu-Ray issues by VCI–A Public Domain company! Not to mention the many other companies that have issued this over the years!

    Regardless of the whys and wheretofores in regards to TCM's decision to NOT broadcast the definitive version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL this year–WHAT A CRYING SHAME!!!!

    Thank goodness for DVD's and Blu-Rays!

    CHEERS!

    Tony

  48. Tony Bensley

    Hi Gary!

    I thought that the Alastair Sim version was in the Public Domain?!?!? Hence, all of the DVD/Blu-Ray issues by VCI–A Public Domain company! Not to mention the many other companies that have issued this over the years!

    Regardless of the whys and wheretofores in regards to TCM's decision to NOT broadcast the definitive version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL this year–WHAT A CRYING SHAME!!!!

    Thank goodness for DVD's and Blu-Rays!

    CHEERS!

    Tony

    I am not sure about the copyright status of the 1951 version of "A Christmas Carol" Much like "Its A Wonderful Life" was thought to be in the public domain until the copyright owners asserted their claim that it was protected, this film was indeed released on multiple labels. It could be a regional thing where it was deemed in the public domain in some countries but not others. Unlike "Its a Wonderful Life" this film did not show up on multiple TV channels during the holiday season in the US.

  49. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure SCROOGE/A CHRISTMAS CAROL (1951, Brian Desmond-Hurst) is not in the public domain… at least not in the U.S. I don't believe any home video company other than VCI has ever released it in the states… I know my first VHS copy from back in the 1980s was on VCI.

  50. Garysb

    I am not sure sure about the copyright status of the 1951 version of "A Christmas Carol" Much like "Its A Wonderful Life" was thought to be in the public domain until the copyright owners asserted their claim that it was protected, this film was indeed released on multiple labels. It could be a regional thing where it was deemed in the public domain in some countries but not others. Unlike "Its a Wonderful Life" this film did not show up on multiple TV channels during the holiday season in the US.

    As long as I've been alive and aware (no jokes please), the Alastair Sim "A Christmas Carol" was shown on Christmas Eve on TV here in Vancouver, though as I recall, it was KVOS in nearby Bellingham, Washington that was doing it first. I'd seen it enough times by the time I was 11 years old to do an English accent as Scrooge in our Christmas school play. I told the impressed adults how I did it, of course.

  51. Well, today was the earliest estimated day of arrival of my Import CDs (Via Amazon.ca.) order of the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD set, and it has NOT arrived!

    Why my concern, you may ask? The only other occasion in which one of my Import CDs orders failed to arrive AHEAD of the earliest EDA, there ended up being some kind of customs holdup! :wub:

    Also, while unrelated to this thread, as of today, my Bay City Books order (Also via Amazon.ca.) for the 1992 "Little Rascals/Our Gang" book has failed to arrive on the LAST estimated day of arrival! :angry: I really hope that nothing has happened to this order, as I've searched off and on over a decade for this, and decent quality copies that don't cost an arm and a leg don't show up online everyday, especially in my Native Canada!

    These, on top of a pair of recent personal medically related bureaucratic issues ( :angry: :angry:) have left me in a real state this week!

    Sorry about the extreme negativity of this post! Apart from our son's visit, I've had a really lousy week!

  52. Tony Bensley

    Well, today was the earliest estimated day of arrival of my Import CDs (Via Amazon.ca.) order of the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD set, and it has NOT arrived!

    Why my concern, you may ask? The only other occasion in which one of my Import CDs orders failed to arrive AHEAD of the earliest EDA, there ended up being some kind of customs holdup! :wub:

    Also, while unrelated to this thread, as of today, my Bay City Books order (Also via Amazon.ca.) for the 1992 "Little Rascals/Our Gang" book has failed to arrive on the LAST estimated day of arrival! :angry: I really hope that nothing has happened to this order, as I've searched off and on over a decade for this, and decent quality copies that don't cost an arm and a leg don't show up online everyday, especially in my Native Canada!

    These, on top of a pair of recent personal medically related bureaucratic issues ( :angry: :angry:) have left me in a real state this week!

    Sorry about the extreme negativity of this post! Apart from our son's visit, I've had a really lousy week!

    Sounds like somebody is ready for a visit from the Spirits of Canadian Bureaucracy Past, Present, and Future!

  53. davidmatychuk

    Sounds like somebody is ready for a visit from the Spirits of Canadian Bureaucracy Past, Present, and Future!

    LOL! Much like Ebenezer Scrooge (Especially as played by Alastair Sim!) the morning after!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  54. Tony Bensley

    Well, today was the earliest estimated day of arrival of my Import CDs (Via Amazon.ca.) order of the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD set, and it has NOT arrived!

    Why my concern, you may ask? The only other occasion in which one of my Import CDs orders failed to arrive AHEAD of the earliest EDA, there ended up being some kind of customs holdup! :wub:

    Also, while unrelated to this thread, as of today, my Bay City Books order (Also via Amazon.ca.) for the 1992 "Little Rascals/Our Gang" book has failed to arrive on the LAST estimated day of arrival! :angry: I really hope that nothing has happened to this order, as I've searched off and on over a decade for this, and decent quality copies that don't cost an arm and a leg don't show up online everyday, especially in my Native Canada!

    Early this afternoon, I received a reply from the California based Bay City Books seller. This is what it said, in part:
    "We shipped it via International Priority Mail which usually takes 4-8 working days; however, Canada shipments have averaged a 2-4 week delivery window this past year."

    I strongly suspect that this also explains why my A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD shipment from the also California based Import CDs did not arrive ahead of Amazon.ca's earliest estimated delivery date, as my past orders used to. Border tightening at U.S./Canada Customs would be my best guess as to why the longer delivery window for Canadians, as of late!

    Therefore, for we Canadian HTF members; don't be surprised if your U.S. orders are taking noticeably longer to arrive than in years past!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  55. Tony Bensley

    Early this afternoon, I received a reply from the California based Bay City Books seller. This is what it said, in part:
    "We shipped it via International Priority Mail which usually takes 4-8 working days; however, Canada shipments have averaged a 2-4 week delivery window this past year."

    I strongly suspect that this also explains why my A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD shipment from the also California based Import CDs did not arrive ahead of Amazon.ca's earliest estimated delivery date, as my past orders used to. Border tightening at U.S./Canada Customs would be my best guess as to why the longer delivery window for Canadians, as of late!

    Therefore, for we Canadian HTF members; don't be surprised if your U.S. orders are taking noticeably longer to arrive than in years past!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Well, my book finally arrived in the mail today, though the delivery was quite late, which led me to getting free shipping–Long story!

    Now there's just the VCI 2012 Edition of A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD combo left to wait for! This week, perhaps? Whenever I do receive this, I plan to do a screenshot comparison between the DVD version of this and the 2005 Emerald Edition DVD by Morningstar Entertainment (My PC isn't set up for Blu-Ray, unfortunately!), along with my opinions regarding the positive/negative aspects for each.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  56. My VCI 2012 Edition of A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD combo finally arrived in the mail this afternoon! I have already taken a number of screenshots, which I shall post sometime later, after I do the same for the 2005 Emerald Edition DVD.

    In the meantime, there is something puzzling me a bit in regards to the aforementioned 2012 VCI set.
    According to the liner notes, these are the extras that are included on the Blu-Ray and DVD:
    View attachment 14482

    However, these are the extras that are actually on the DVD. There is also no sign of the listed 1939 Campbell Playhouse broadcast, starring Lionel Barrymore. I even checked the other Menu pages just to be sure that it wasn't hidden amongst those. The listed Bibliographic Essay by Fred Guida also appears to be absent:
    View attachment 14483

    Lest anyone may wonder whether the wrong edition VCI DVD wound up on the set that I received, here is a shot of my DVD, with the year 2012 clearly displayed right on the Disc:
    View attachment 14484

    As I don't have access to our Blu-Ray Player at the moment, I cannot check the extras included on the Blu-Ray Disc at this time.

    Any thoughts?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    ******UPDATE******

    I've checked the Blu-Ray extras, and they are identical to those on the DVD. Neither the 1939 Campbell Playhouse broadcast, starring Lionel Barrymore, nor the Bibliographic Essay by Fred Guida are anywhere to be found!

  57. As promised, here are a few Screenshot Comparisons between the 2005 Morningstar Emerald Edition and 2012 VCI DVD Releases!

    2005 Morningstar Emerald Edition:
    Note the four sided letterboxing around the opening credits!
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    View attachment 14488

    Note the slightly cropped imaging, though the dialogue that's missing on the VCI discs is present here!
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    2012 VCI DVD (Note the different "Scrooge" Title Card):
    Note that, unlike the Morningstar DVD, these opening credits have just two very thin borders on the sides!
    View attachment 14491

    View attachment 14492

    Note the visibly less cropping here! Unfortunately, four words* of dialogue are missing from this scene!
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    * The four missing words uttered by Mrs. Dilber, the Housemaid (Kathleen Harrison) are "For reaching it out," which follows her "I certainly won't hold back my hand when I can get something in it" dialogue.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  58. Dr Griffin

    Why did VCI re-release this in 2012 minus the 60th Anniversary logo on the cover? They could have just kept the 6oth out there, the studios do that. Was there any significant additions to the 2012 release?

    They fixed an audio problem (a drop-out).

  59. Dr Griffin

    Why did VCI re-release this in 2012 minus the 60th Anniversary logo on the cover? They could have just kept the 6oth out there, the studios do that. Was there any significant additions to the 2012 release?

    No, and in fact, the booklet that was included with the 60th Anniversary release is NOT included in the 2012 issue. However, there was 8 seconds of dialogue missing on the 5.1 surround track (From 1:21:21-1:21:29.) for the '09 and '11 releases that was fixed for the 2012 version. To VCI's credit, this fix occurred due to them listening to feedback on the DVD Talk thread dedicated to this Blu-Ray/DVD Combo, though unfortunately, the four missing words of dialogue issue (Which, apparently dates back to the 2009 VCI Release!) was only discovered after the 2012 version was released.

    CHEERS!

  60. Tony Bensley

    My VCI 2012 Edition of A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD combo finally arrived in the mail this afternoon! I have already taken a number of screenshots, which I shall post sometime later, after I do the same for the 2005 Emerald Edition DVD.

    In the meantime, there is something puzzling me a bit in regards to the aforementioned 2012 VCI set.
    According to the liner notes, these are the extras that are included on the Blu-Ray and DVD:
    [​IMG]PIC_0491.JPG

    However, these are the extras that are actually on the DVD. There is also no sign of the listed 1939 Campbell Playhouse broadcast, starring Lionel Barrymore. I even checked the other Menu pages just to be sure that it wasn't hidden amongst those. The listed Bibliographic Essay by Fred Guida also appears to be absent:
    [​IMG]dvd_snapshot_00.00_2014.10.21_14.27.01.jpg

    Lest anyone may wonder whether the wrong edition VCI DVD wound up on the set that I received, here is a shot of my DVD, with the year 2012 clearly displayed right on the Disc:
    [​IMG]PIC_0488.JPG

    As I don't have access to our Blu-Ray Player at the moment, I cannot check the extras included on the Blu-Ray Disc at this time.

    Any thoughts?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Does that disc have "A Christmas Carol" on it? It appears to be a Special Features disc from a 2-disc DVD edition. The DVD in my 2012 edition is exactly what the cover says it is, as is the DVD in the 2009 VCI Blu-Ray set.

  61. davidmatychuk

    Does that disc have "A Christmas Carol" on it? It appears to be a Special Features disc from a 2-disc DVD edition. The DVD in my 2012 edition is exactly what the cover says it is, as is the DVD in the 2009 VCI Blu-Ray set.

    Hi Dave!

    Indeed the DVD does have A CHRISTMAS CAROL, Dave! In fact, while I can see that the Blu-Ray Menu (This disc is also has 2012 clearly marked, as does the DVD!) has a fancier appearance, all of the extras also appear to be identical to that of my DVD!

    Could this perhaps be yet another case of two differing versions, this time involving a pair of 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combos? While I look forward to viewing the many other extras, that the 1939 Campbell's Radio presentation with Lionel Barrymore doesn't appear to be among these (Despite its listing on the Back Cover!) is a bit of a disappointment for me. Ah, well!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    P.S. If anyone else owning the 2012 VCI Combo Set could clue me in as to whether the 1939 Campbell's "A Christmas Carol" Radio program is somehow cleverly hidden as an easter egg extra (Is that even done, anymore?), or if I must have a differing version, I would greatly appreciate this, as the more I think of it, the more it's really bugging me!

  62. aPhil

    Image quality-wise, would you say that the 2012 Blu-ray is the best way to watch the film at the moment?

    Hi Phil!

    I'd say yes to the 2012 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray, with a couple of minor caveats:

    1. There is a slight issue with missing frames, plus other, very slight encoding issues.

    2. The four words of missing dialogue that I mentioned in a prior post.

    As far as I can recall, neither of the above are issues on the 2005 Morningstar Emerald Edition DVD (Definitely not the second!), though the transfer isn't quite as sharp, and also has a bit of cropping by comparison to the 2012 VCI version.

    CHEERS!

    Tony

    Note: When playing back the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray, the video setting needs to be something other than 24 Frame Movie playback. Otherwise, the visual playback is very choppy! Ironically, when scenes from the film are played among the extras, the opposite appears to be the case! I suppose that this also qualifies as a caveat!

  63. Tony Bensley

    Note: When playing back the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray, the video setting needs to be something other than 24 Frame Movie playback. Otherwise, the visual playback is very choppy! Ironically, when scenes from the film are played among the extras, the opposite appears to be the case! I suppose that this also qualifies as a caveat!

    Thank you! Now I know that I'm safe sticking with my 2011 60th anniv. ed. I noted the need to switch off my player's 24fps mode too! I thought if this had been corrected for the 2012, I'd go ahead any buy it again… now I know there's no need! (I never use 5.1 audio options for older movies — unless I have no choice — so the 8 second audio drop-out is not an issue for me!)

  64. Rob Mac

    Yes, the Campbell radio show is on the bonus DVD of the VCI Diamond Edition combo set and shows up in the menu. It is not hidden as an easter egg.

    Hi Rob!

    Thanks for that tip!

    With David Matychuk's previous post indicating that his 2012 VCI Set is exactly as advertised (I wish mine was!) on the Liner Notes, I can now narrow the lack of this extra on my 2012 VCI Set to one of two main possibilities:

    1. The Campbell's Radio program was removed from the 2012 VCI Edition, and also from the liner notes on David's Set, or more likely…

    2. VCI goofed on my particular 2012 DVD, and forgot to include the Radio Program.

    The only other possibility that I can think of is that the Campbell's Radio program might have been removed from later pressings of the 2012 VCI Set, perhaps due to some legal copyright issue? Of course, there would still remain the question as to why the Bibliographic Essay by Fred Guida was also excised.

    CHEERS!

    Tony

    P.S. I have sent an email inquiry to VCI regarding the discrepancy with the aforementioned Special Features, and will post the results of this!

  65. Tony Bensley

    Hi Rob!

    Thanks for that tip!

    With David Matychuk's previous post indicating that his 2012 VCI Set is exactly as advertised (I wish mine was!) on the Liner Notes, I can now narrow the lack of this extra on my 2012 VCI Set to one of two main possibilities:

    1. The Campbell's Radio program was removed from the 2012 VCI Edition, and also from the liner notes on David's Set, or more likely…

    2. VCI goofed on my particular 2012 DVD, and forgot to include the Radio Program.

    The only other possibility that I can think of is that the Campbell's Radio program might have been removed from later pressings of the 2012 VCI Set, perhaps due to some legal copyright issue? Of course, there would still remain the question as to why the Bibliographic Essay by Fred Guida was also excised.

    CHEERS!

    Tony

    P.S. I have sent an email inquiry to VCI regarding the discrepancy with the aforementioned Special Features, and will post the results of this!

    By the way, for those who may not be in the know, the above features are listed on VCI Entertainment's own website:
    http://www.vcientertainment.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=655&path=59

    This would appear to confirm my suspicions regarding possibility number 2!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  66. I confess to feeling a bit Grinchy at the moment! Here's why:

    A full week has now passed since my email inquiry with VCI Entertainment regarding the two listed DVD extras that are not included on my A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD Combo set.

    While I didn't necessarily expect to receive a replacement DVD containing these features, I DID expect VCI to extend the courtesy of a reply, with an explanation as to the whys or why nots in regards to this, or a "We're looking into it" response, at the very least! Honestly, am I asking too much, here?

    VCI's apparent deeming of my inquiry as being unworthy of the courtesy of a reply has left me a bit frustrated!

    I guess that I won't get to find out whether the Campbells "A Christmas Carol" Radio Program, starring Lionel Barrymore was left off of my DVD by mistake, or if some third party that holds the rights (IE. The Barrymore Family Estate?) to the program cried foul and VCI had to remove it from subsequent pressings; much less receive a replacement disc if it's the former! Nor will I get to share that information within this thread!

    Should I receive a belated reply from VCI Entertainment, I'll be sure to post the results, but to be honest, I'm not very optimistic about that, at this point!

    CHEERS! (If it's not entirely out of keeping with the situation!)

  67. Mike Frezon

    My experience with communications/responses with VCI Entertainment has been fine.

    I suspect if you contacted them again you'll eventually get your answer. Responses don't always come as quickly as we want/demand them.

    I certainly wouldn't sweat it.

    Hi Mike!

    Thank you very much! I've actually just messaged VCI on their Classic Films Facebook page, as I was advised on another thread of the possibility that the email address where I sent it the first time might be either defunct, or otherwise not necessarily presided over by someone from VCI. Apparently, it's usually the VCI owner who checks the messages on their VCI Facebook page, so I'll just have to wait and see!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  68. VCI was very good with me about the 2011 Blu-Ray audio issue, responding very promptly, and sending me a new copy of the 2012 edition when they released it. Horizon Films was also good about sending me a proper length Blu-Ray of "Santa Claus Conquers The Martians" in 2012, but as I had already watched their shorter Blu-Ray version, I wasn't that thrilled to be watching something even longer and more gruelling so soon after. I know, I know, Christmas, I love it, but a man's got limits.

  69. Tony Bensley

    Hi Mike!

    Thank you very much! I've actually just messaged VCI on their Classic Films Facebook page, as I was advised on another thread of the possibility that the email address where I sent it the first time might be either defunct, or otherwise not necessarily presided over by someone from VCI. Apparently, it's usually the VCI owner who checks the messages on their VCI Facebook page, so I'll just have to wait and see!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    As promised, here are the results of my inquiries:

    In my case, instead of my 2012 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD combo containing the correct Bonus DVD, the 2012 standalone DVD version that has the identical features of the Blu-Ray was inserted, instead. My customer service experience (Via Facebook messaging.) differed somewhat from David Matychuk's, owing to the fact that video piracy has become rather sophisticated as of late, even to the extent of utilizing shrink wrap machines and security labels! I've been advised by VCI that they are currently researching the remaining stock based on my claim, as I was apparently the first person to complain about the wrong DVD having been inserted in the Blu-Ray/DVD combo pack!

    If/when I hear anything further in regards to this, I'll post the results!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  70. You're not going to believe what I discovered today in my conversation with a VCI representative, regarding the 2012 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD Combo! There was apparently one Retailer who INSISTED that VCI include the Standalone DVD with the same features as the Blu-Ray disc INSTEAD of the Bonus DVD! I believe she stated that it was Import CDs (From where I had ordered my set!), with whom they did used to deal with directly, which would explain why my set was packaged the way it was! This is just a note of caution for anyone else who may want to order this set.

    By the way, VCI will be sending me a replacement Bonus DVD!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  71. davidmatychuk

    Yes, it is. Here is my complete "Floating Floor" comparison of the ten versions I have here. "Yes" means the planks are bouncin':

    2012 Blu-Ray: Yes.
    2012 DVD: Yes.
    2009 Blu-Ray: Yes.
    2009 DVD: Yes.
    2007 DVD (4 X 3 Black and White): No.
    2007 DVD (16 X 9 Black and White): No.
    2007 DVD (Colourized): No.
    2005 Emerald DVD: No.
    1998 VCI/Roan Group (Black and White): No.
    1998 VCI/Roan Group (Colourized): No.

    I think it's safe to say that the problem crept in when the attempt was made to improve the image for Blu-Ray. They really cleaned it up, but in taking out speckles and markings I believe they caused other problems. Now that I've seen this, I'll still watch the most recent Blu-Ray before the others, but the others will get the odd spin too. I was keeping them all for one reason or another anyhow, and now I'm sort of pleased to think of their transfers as being adorably flawed rather than outdated altogether.

    Hi David!

    Apart from the Emerald releases by Morningstar Entertainment, do you know whether any of the pre 2009 VCI DVD issues include the four missing words of dialogue "for reaching it out," as spoken by Ebenezer's "Former" Maid Mrs. Dilby, during the "Ghost of Christmas Future" sequence? This occurs at about the 1:09:30 mark of the 2009 – 2012 VCI editions!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  72. Ya know, I've never noticed this floating boards issue. I'd dig it out now and check, but… I can wait till Xmas time. ๐Ÿ˜‰ I also don't need the dirty looks from a disapproving partner about putting on Xmas movies out of season. ๐Ÿ˜›

  73. Tony Bensley

    Hi David!

    Apart from the Emerald releases by Morningstar Entertainment, do you know whether any of the pre 2009 VCI DVD issues include the four missing words of dialogue "for reaching it out," as spoken by Ebenezer's "Former" Maid Mrs. Dilby, during the "Ghost of Christmas Future" sequence? This occurs at about the 1:09:30 mark of the 2009 – 2012 VCI editions!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    I will research this in the wee wee hours and post my findings!

    bgart13

    Ya know, I've never noticed this floating boards issue. I'd dig it out now and check, but… I can wait till Xmas time. ๐Ÿ˜‰ I also don't need the dirty looks from a disapproving partner about putting on Xmas movies out of season. ๐Ÿ˜›

    Forget the floating boards. I never noticed it myself until it was pointed out here, and it won't stop me from enjoying the Blu-Ray, at least until Criterion takes a crack at it.

  74. Hi David!

    To be honest, I likely wouldn't have noticed the floating board (Which probably lasts less than half a second!), that very briefly appears right near the left edge of the screen, had I not first read about it in a thread. For me, it's the missing 4 words of dialogue at about the 1:09:30 mark that, at about 1.5 seconds in duration, is a bit more noticeable!

    I would love to see Criterion tackle this one! Perhaps for A CHRISTMAS CAROL's 65th Anniversary?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    P.S. I'm very much looking forward to your findings regarding which versions are missing the aforementioned dialogue, and which versions (Hopefully!) aren't!

  75. Here are my findings, and I warn you, they may not be for the faint of heart!

    The silent gap in the Blu-Ray audio where Mrs. Dilber says "for reaching it out" is not on any of the DVD versions from 1998 to 2007. Here's what is:

    1998 Roan/VCI DVD (B&W and Colourized) – Mrs. Dilber's entire line is edited out. There's a direct cut after Joe says "You was born to make a fortune, ma'am, and you..you certainly will" to him saying "These his blankets too?"

    2005 Emerald DVD – This has the complete audio for Mrs. Dilber's line. It's the only DVD or Blu-Ray that does.

    2007 VCI 2-DVD set – Both the 4 X 3 and 16 X 9 versions on the first DVD have Mrs. Dilber saying her line without "for reaching it out", but there is no gap in the audio. Instead, it appears that these versions use an alternate take of that part of the scene. You can't see Mrs. Dilber's mouth forming the words "for reaching it out", nor can you see that her words don't match what her mouth is doing. In other words, it appears that she actually says the line as "I certainly won't hold back my hand when I can get something in it for sake of such a man as he was, I promise you Joe." which doesn't make sense without the missing four words, but there it is. The colourized version on the second disc is identical to the 1998 Roan/VCI version, with the entire line edited out.

    Getting back to the Blu-Ray after all of this, the picture is BEAUTIFUL by comparison. The DVD's all have visual inconsistencies, as if bits of scenes were taken from different sources, but the Blu-Ray is very consistent. As for the part of the scene with Mrs. Dilber's line, it is identical on the Blu-Ray to the one on the Emerald DVD, other than the audio gap, and comparing the Blu-Ray to the 2007 VCI DVD, they are slightly different. I just can't see Mrs. Dilber mouthing the missing words on that DVD. Even the subtitles on the Blu-Ray have the line without those four words, so whoever did the subtitling ignored what might have been in the silent audio gap and just transcribed what they heard.

    So there you go. Mrs. Dilber's problematic line exists as two slightly different takes, one of which may or may not have "for reaching it out" in it, and sometimes the line gets completely edited out. I suspect ghostly intervention, but then, I would.

  76. davidmatychuk

    Here are my findings, and I warn you, they may not be for the faint of heart!

    The silent gap in the Blu-Ray audio where Mrs. Dilber says "for reaching it out" is not on any of the DVD versions from 1998 to 2007. Here's what is:

    1998 Roan/VCI DVD (B&W and Colourized) – Mrs. Dilber's entire line is edited out. There's a direct cut after Joe says "You was born to make a fortune, ma'am, and you..you certainly will" to him saying "These his blankets too?"

    2005 Emerald DVD – This has the complete audio for Mrs. Dilber's line. It's the only DVD or Blu-Ray that does.

    2007 VCI 2-DVD set – Both the 4 X 3 and 16 X 9 versions on the first DVD have Mrs. Dilber saying her line without "for reaching it out", but there is no gap in the audio. Instead, it appears that these versions use an alternate take of that part of the scene. You can't see Mrs. Dilber's mouth forming the words "for reaching it out", nor can you see that her words don't match what her mouth is doing. In other words, it appears that she actually says the line as "I certainly won't hold back my hand when I can get something in it for sake of such a man as he was, I promise you Joe." which doesn't make sense without the missing four words, but there it is. The colourized version on the second disc is identical to the 1998 Roan/VCI version, with the entire line edited out.

    Getting back to the Blu-Ray after all of this, the picture is BEAUTIFUL by comparison. The DVD's all have visual inconsistencies, as if bits of scenes were taken from different sources, but the Blu-Ray is very consistent. As for the part of the scene with Mrs. Dilber's line, it is identical on the Blu-Ray to the one on the Emerald DVD, other than the audio gap, and comparing the Blu-Ray to the 2007 VCI DVD, they are slightly different. I just can't see Mrs. Dilber mouthing the missing words on that DVD. Even the subtitles on the Blu-Ray have the line without those four words, so whoever did the subtitling ignored what might have been in the silent audio gap and just transcribed what they heard.

    So there you go. Mrs. Dilber's problematic line exists as two slightly different takes, one of which may or may not have "for reaching it out" in it, and sometimes the line gets completely edited out. I suspect ghostly intervention, but then, I would.

    Hi David!

    Thank you very much for your most valued descriptions regarding the missing dialogue, along with the existence of alternate footage! This gives me cause to wonder whether the print that was sourced for the VCI releases used is missing that bit of dialogue, as unlike the 8 seconds of dialogue that was previously missing only on the 5.1 audio, the missing four words appears to be an across the board issue! Also that they fixed all of the other reported audio issues, yet never touched this one!

    It's too bad that VCI can't source the missing audio from the same print that was used by Morningstar Entertainment! In my opinion, this act, along with fixing the playback mode issue would make their SCROOGE the truly definitive version!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  77. Tony Bensley

    Hi David!

    Thank you very much for your most valued descriptions regarding the missing dialogue, along with the existence of alternate footage! This gives me cause to wonder whether the print that was sourced for the VCI releases used is missing that bit of dialogue, as unlike the 8 seconds of dialogue that was previously missing only on the 5.1 audio, the missing four words appears to be an across the board issue! Also that they fixed all of the other reported audio issues, yet never touched this one!

    It's too bad that VCI can't source the missing audio from the same print that was used by Morningstar Entertainment! In my opinion, this act, along with fixing the playback mode issue would make their SCROOGE the truly definitive version!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    I think that the Emerald Edition really was sourced separately somehow by Morningstar. The flaws in the image aren't the same as in the Roan/VCI version, the image density differs in individual scene comparisons, they found the alternate "Scrooge" title sequence, and they're the only ones with the complete Mrs. Dilber "for reaching it out" sequence. I wasn't aware of this until last night, but I think that further comparisons would yield more differences. I hope Criterion can build on the research built up by various home video companies (and, of course, Death From Above) when they issue their comprehensive "A Christmas Carol" Blu-Ray next year. I mean, we've totally established that it's "Sim", not "Sims".

  78. davidmatychuk

    I think that the Emerald Edition really was sourced separately somehow by Morningstar. The flaws in the image aren't the same as in the Roan/VCI version, the image density differs in individual scene comparisons, they found the alternate "Scrooge" title sequence, and they're the only ones with the complete Mrs. Dilber "for reaching it out" sequence. I wasn't aware of this until last night, but I think that further comparisons would yield more differences. I hope Criterion can build on the research built up by various home video companies (and, of course, Death From Above) when they issue their comprehensive "A Christmas Carol" Blu-Ray next year. I mean, we've totally established that it's "Sim", not "Sims".

    Hi David!

    So Criterion is actually planning on issuing the Alastair Sim A CHRISTMAS CAROL, then? That WOULD be fantastic news!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  79. Tony Bensley

    The Guillotine Films DVD Version also has the Maid's "For reaching it out" dialogue intact! However, with a running time of 1:22:50, I strongly suspect that something else is missing, though I can't put my finger on just what at the moment!

    The Guillotine Films DVD Cover:
    View attachment 14794

    Unfortunately, the Print itself is decidedly less than Pristine!
    View attachment 14795

    The same shot from the 2005 Emerald Edition DVD by Morningstar Entertainment:
    View attachment 14796

    Also, with a 1:26:07 running time, the Emerald Edition is decidedly more complete!

    After having resampled the Crappy Guillotine Films Edition, I have to ask myself just what was my complaint regarding the Morningstar Entertainment Version? It may not be the very best A CHRISTMAS CAROL With Alastair Sim Print Transfer, but it's still a damn sight better than most of the other PD knockoffs that are out there! And to my knowledge, it isn't missing any dialogue, either! In my opinion, this SHOULD be an easy fix for VCI, given the previous fixes that they have undertaken!

    I'll reserve further judgement until I receive and view the 2012 Edition of A CHRISTMAS CAROL's VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    As illustrated in my above previous post, the missing four words of dialogue is in the Guillotine Films incomplete knockoff print! Other than this, there really is nothing else to recommend this DVD!

    As it stands, it appears that the Morningstar Emerald Edition is currently the best video release of the U.S. version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL, with the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD combo taking the prize among the UK SCROOGE issues! In my opinion, it is fair to not even count the Morningstar version as a candidate for the latter, as this has been described by David Matychuk as having an awkward blank space between the opening titles and the rest of the Film!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  80. davidmatychuk

    I think that the Emerald Edition really was sourced separately somehow by Morningstar. The flaws in the image aren't the same as in the Roan/VCI version, the image density differs in individual scene comparisons, they found the alternate "Scrooge" title sequence, and they're the only ones with the complete Mrs. Dilber "for reaching it out" sequence. I wasn't aware of this until last night, but I think that further comparisons would yield more differences. I hope Criterion can build on the research built up by various home video companies (and, of course, Death From Above) when they issue their comprehensive "A Christmas Carol" Blu-Ray next year. I mean, we've totally established that it's "Sim", not "Sims".

    Hi David!

    A quick Google search uncovered nothing for me regarding any plans by Criterion to issue the 1951 A CHRISTMAS CAROL/SCROOGE! Could you please kindly post your source of this information?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  81. bgart13

    I think it's wishful thinking. I see no reason for Criterion to release, ever.

    Hi bgart13!

    Well, Criterion did release the often issued A HARD DAY'S NIGHT earlier this year, so you never know!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  82. Tony Bensley

    Hi David!

    A quick Google search uncovered nothing for me regarding any plans by Criterion to issue the 1951 A CHRISTMAS CAROL/SCROOGE! Could you please kindly post your source of this information?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Wishful thinking, Tony. But Christmas is still a time for magic, isn't it?

    bgart13

    I think it's wishful thinking. I see no reason for Criterion to release, ever.

    It's great filmed Dickens, it's the greatest Christmas film, it's Alastair Sim's greatest performance, it's never been properly restored, and it's never ever been properly served on home video. I also think it would sell more like "A Hard Day's Night" than "The Bitter Tears Of Petra Von Kant".

  83. In the spirit of wishful thinking and Christmas magic, I present the following, just for fun:

    A CHRISTMAS CAROL (U.S.) /SCROOGE (UK) (1951): What Should And Should Not Be Included In A Future Release!
    The purpose of this is merely a fun exercise, in which I'm listing the items that I'd like to see included in an ultimate, fictional (for now?) future Blu-Ray/DVD Set. I'll be listing these under "Must Have;" "Prefer To Have;" "Could Have;" and "Oh Dear God, Please Not That!" categories.

    Must Have:
    – A pristine, complete print of both U.S and UK original releases!

    Prefer To Have:
    – All of the extra features that are included in the 2012 VCI release (Except the George Cole Commentary Track, which I've yet to listen to!), with the most complete available prints of the 1922 SCROOGE and BLEAK HOUSE Silents.
    – The 78 minute version of the 1935 Seymour Hicks* as Ebenezer Scrooge UK A CHRISTMAS CAROL (Transferred from a pristine print, of course!).
    – All of the Patrick MacNee Host footage from the 1989 Television premiere of the Colorized SCROOGE: A CHRISTMAS CAROL. Though I'm not a huge fan of Colorization, the Colorized feature would of course, have to be included by extension, though the more up to date digitally Colorized version would be preferable!

    Could Have:
    – The 28 minute animated A CHRISTMAS CAROL from 1971, which features the voice work of Alastair Sim, reprising his Ebenezer Scrooge character!
    – The aforementioned George Cole Commentary Track, though I've read that it's rather dull and veers well away from his experiences in having been featured as young Ebenezer Scrooge (Alastair Sim was George's Acting Mentor AND Godfather!), and the Film in general! I'm reserving judgement on this for the time being.

    Oh Dear God, Please Not That!:
    – The 1938 MGM version, starring Reginald Owen, who is severely miscast as a most unconvincing Ebenezer Scrooge, and also featuring Terry Kilburn as an annoyingly wide eyed and generally freakish looking Tiny Tim! That this anaemic version is about to be issued on its own Blu-Ray is bad enough, in my opinion!
    – AN AMERICAN CHRISTMAS CAROL, starring Henry Winkler. While he was ultra cool as Arthur Fonzarelli (The Fonz!) on the seventies classic AMERICAN GRAFFITI inspired sitcom HAPPY DAYS, his turn as Ebenezer Scrooge has always been a big thumbs down for me!
    – Ditto for any other, really cheesy bastardized version of this classic Dickens yuletide tale ever issued!
    – The ill advised 16×9 "Cropped Widescreen" version of the Alastair Sim classic! At least with the Colorized versions, the color can sometimes be turned off, but there's no way to "uncrop" a cropped screen!

    *Though I've never really seen the Seymour Hicks version, it surely can't be any worse than the Reginald Owen & Henry Winkler vehicles! Besides, I'm curious to see this, though not just any knockoff video transfer!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  84. Having just played a tiny fragment of the Guillotine Films version (Under the UK SCROOGE title. although labelled A CHRISTMAS CAROL on the DVD cover!), it has occurred to me that its slightly shorter 82 minutes and 50 seconds running time is probably not due to editing, but that it was subjected to 4% PAL speedup at some point. A DVD need not have been issued in the PAL format for this to occur, but merely has to have come from a print that was digitized using the PAL transfer format, instead of NTSC! When listening to this on my Laptop with my Headphones, Alastair Sim's voice does indeed sound a bit higher pitched than it should!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  85. To date, it appears that the only home video releases of the complete, unedited version are the sub-par Guillotine Films DVD (Which bears the UK SCROOGE title card, despite the DVD cover bearing the A CHRISTMAS CAROL title!), with the 4% PAL speedup; and the Emerald DVD/Blu-Ray Editions by Morningstar Entertainment that represent the only complete quality versions!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  86. Maybe I'm just being impatient, but does EVERYTHING coming to Canada from the U.S. have to take at least the better part of two weeks to arrive, even when it's shipped priority post? I've been anxiously waiting for my replacement disc containing the Lionel Barrymore Christmas 1939 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Radio Play, along with the Fred Guida Bio-Bibliography, to arrive, which was sent from VCI Entertainment on November 3!

    I'm hoping that I don't have to wait through yet another weekend for this!

    CHEERS!

  87. For those who have the station, A Christmas Carol (1951) will be shown tonight at 9:00 PM EST on the Hallmark Movie and Mystery Channel, It should be repeated often throughout the Holiday Season. Will be interesting if it includes the missing words. Unfortunately there will be many commercials . Just like when I was a kid.

  88. Garysb

    For those who have the station, A Christmas Carol (1951) will be shown tonight at 8:00 PM EST on the Hallmark Movie and Mystery Channel, It should be repeated often throughout the Holiday Season. Will be interesting if it includes the missing words. Unfortunately there will be many commercials . Just like when I was a kid.

    Hi Gary!

    While we don't have the Hallmark Channel on our current package, I'm not worried as I already have the missing 4 "for reaching it out" words on the 2005 Emerald Edition DVD by Morningstar Entertainment.

    For many decades, I've viewed A CHRISTMAS CAROL by way of CTV. This has been an annual midnight December 25 ritual for me a few decades now, having stretched back to the early 1980's when my brother (Who, very sadly passed away in 2005!) and I would enjoy this classic piece of cinema together! If I think of it, I'll try and check whether their print includes these missing words, just for the sake of curiosity!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  89. They showed Holiday Inn in HD in the slot right before A Christmas Carol. I didn't see Carol, but the five or ten minutes of Holiday Inn I saw looked great. I haven't replaced my DVD copy with the Blu-ray, but seeing this certainly made me want to.

  90. Matt Hough

    They showed Holiday Inn in HD in the slot right before A Christmas Carol. I didn't see Carol, but the five or ten minutes of Holiday Inn I saw looked great. I haven't replaced my DVD copy with the Blu-ray, but seeing this certainly made me want to.

    They cut the blackface number used for Lincoln's birthday in Holiday Inn.

  91. Tony Bensley

    Early this afternoon, I received a reply from the California based Bay City Books seller. This is what it said, in part:
    "We shipped it via International Priority Mail which usually takes 4-8 working days; however, Canada shipments have averaged a 2-4 week delivery window this past year."

    I strongly suspect that this also explains why my A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD shipment from the also California based Import CDs did not arrive ahead of Amazon.ca's earliest estimated delivery date, as my past orders used to. Border tightening at U.S./Canada Customs would be my best guess as to why the longer delivery window for Canadians, as of late!

    Therefore, for we Canadian HTF members; don't be surprised if your U.S. orders are taking noticeably longer to arrive than in years past!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Well, if you're living in Vancouver, you could always set up an address with a shipper/receiver just across the border in Point Roberts. They do a land office business, and the wait times at the border are generally on the order of 10 minutes. I've brought across numerous BDs and DVDs, and as long as you're under $75 or so, they just wave you through. And you can gas up on cheap gas too ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

  92. Robert Crawford

    Not to sidetrack this thread too much, but why is this version of A Christmas Carol more thought of than the 1938 film release?

    Personal preference! I think those of us who prefer the 1951 British movie, prefer its darkerโ€ฆ arguably more Dickensianโ€ฆ flavor. It feels closer in style to David Lean's twin masterpieces, GREAT EXPECTATIONS and OLIVER TWIST. MGM's 1938 effort (which I still enjoy and watch every year) seems lighterโ€ฆ more perfunctory by comparison. The 1960's animated musical Mr. Magoo's CHRISTMAS CAROL, the 1970 feature film musical SCROOGE and the 1984 CBS television film with George C. Scott all have their admirers tooโ€ฆ (and there's a little known NBC 30 min animated versionโ€ฆ animated in the style of John Leech's original illustrationsโ€ฆ with Alastair Sim and Michael Hordern reprising their roles, that should be sought out by everybody who loves A CHRISTMAS CAROL!)

  93. Tony Bensley

    Maybe I'm just being impatient, but does EVERYTHING coming to Canada from the U.S. have to take at least the better part of two weeks to arrive, even when it's shipped priority post? I've been anxiously waiting for my replacement disc containing the Lionel Barrymore Christmas 1939 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Radio Play, along with the Fred Guida Bio-Bibliography, to arrive, which was sent from VCI Entertainment on November 3!

    I'm hoping that I don't have to wait through yet another weekend for this!

    CHEERS!

    I contacted the VCI representative today, and it turns out that, due to some unexplained technical glitch (My order wasn't showing, even though she was quite certain that she had placed it on November 3rd!), my replacement disc most likely never shipped! She was most apologetic and was in the process of printing up another order for me even during our conversation! This time, she'll be emailing me my order and tracking numbers.

    It seems like these days, anything I try to do gets messed up on account of key information getting lost in cyberspace! SHEESH!!

    Ah well, I guess that's just the way of it, sometimes!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  94. Its a shame that Lionel Barrymore was too ill to appear in the 1938 version of A Christmas Carol. He did an annual radio version of the story and was supposed to do the film but fell ill. He is in the trailer for the film telling people they should see the film.

    Here is the 1939 radio version with Orson Welles narrating. Mr. Welles mentions that this is the fifth time Mr. Barrymore performed the role on the radio. With commercials for Campbell's soup.

    https://archive.org/details/CampbellPlayhouseAChristmasCarol12241939

  95. Robert Crawford

    Not to sidetrack this thread too much, but why is this version of A Christmas Carol more thought of than the 1938 film release?

    Three reasons: Alastair Sim, Alastair Sim, Alastair Sim. (There are other reasons, too).

  96. Tony Bensley

    I contacted the VCI representative today, and it turns out that, due to some unexplained technical glitch (My order wasn't showing, even though she was quite certain that she had placed it on November 3rd!), my replacement disc most likely never shipped! She was most apologetic and was in the process of printing up another order for me even during our conversation! This time, she'll be emailing me my order and tracking numbers.

    It seems like these days, anything I try to do gets messed up on account of key information getting lost in cyberspace! SHEESH!!

    Ah well, I guess that's just the way of it, sometimes!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Remember, Tony, "SCROOGE & MARLEY" – serving all your international shipping needs since roughly 1820!

  97. Garysb

    Its a shame that Lionel Barrymore was too ill to appear in the 1938 version of A Christmas Carol. He did an annual radio version of the story and was supposed to do the film but fell ill. He is in the trailer for the film telling people they should see the film.

    Here is the 1939 radio version with Orson Welles narrating. Mr. Welles mentions that this is the fifth time Mr. Barrymore performed the role on the radio. With commercials for Campbell's soup.

    https://archive.org/details/CampbellPlayhouseAChristmasCarol12241939

    Hi Gary!

    Thank you very much for providing the above link! I've decided that, while I am able to access this Radio play, I'm choosing to wait for my replacement disc to arrive, which due to unforeseeable circumstances, will be awhile longer than I had anticipated! For the record, I have been provided with a USPS Tracking number, and it is being sent by Priority International.

    In my opinion, the MGM version would have fared better with Lionel Barrymore playing Ebeneezer Scrooge, rather than Reginald Owen, who I maintain, was wrong for the part, but the studio was obviously stuck when Lionel couldn't do it due to his illness! I guess that it just wasn't meant to be!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  98. WilliamMcK

    Personal preference! I think those of us who prefer the 1951 British movie, prefer its darkerโ€ฆ arguably more Dickensianโ€ฆ flavor. It feels closer in style to David Lean's twin masterpieces, GREAT EXPECTATIONS and OLIVER TWIST. MGM's 1938 effort (which I still enjoy and watch every year) seems lighterโ€ฆ more perfunctory by comparison.

    It's darker, like a combination of the great elegant David Lean Dickens with the creepy B/W mood of Val Lewton.
    The scene with Michael Hordern's Marley, played for humor, is ironically the least eerie scene in the movie, at least compared to his approach up the stairs or his vision of the "banished" ghosts.
    (And if you never thought the Ghost of Christmas Future was scary before…) :blink:
    Writer Noel Langley (who screenwrote Wizard of Oz, and directed "Pickwick Papers") who could imitate Dickens to fool the experts, adds a few original scenes to flesh out young Scrooge's downfall, and a telling new scene on the night Marley died.

    Also, up to that point, Sim was a comic actor, and while his Scrooge is jittery and ice-cold, he uses his humor to add a sardonic snark to Scrooge's grumblings, and goes absolutely giddy when he reforms.
    And the last VCI version added an interesting featurette putting the movie into the context of 1951 postwar Britain arguing over the necessity of Public Welfare–In the scene with the two charity gentlemen, Sim's Scrooge grumbles "Anyway, it's none of my business", and one of the two adds a stinging "…Isn't it, sir?"

  99. In my opinion, it is no accident that Noel Langley was behind the definitive versions of both THE WIZARD OF OZ and A CHRISTMAS CAROL! In both cases, virtually every aspect of their respective adaptations only served to each Film's benefit rather than detriment. The only aspect about the former that somewhat bothers me is the enormous number of continuity errors; one aspect that the screenwriters had no control over!

    I did also find the aforementioned featurette tying the movie to the postwar Britain context to be most fascinating, especially when it drew parallels to the conditions that existed when Charles Dickens wrote the book!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  100. The '51 version is superior in many ways, many elements came together in nearly perfect unison. The '38 version is too cutesy, with the lead performance bothering me the most. There are elements of it that work, but it's too… friendly, perhaps? Not threatening enough. Not ghostly enough. I'd have loved to have seen it with Barrymore instead. The licenses taken with the original story bother me too. Sure, there are some with the '51 version too, but the differences still work within the tone and theme of the story. To me, it feels like the '51 filmmakers understood the original story much better and did their best to be honest to the material.

  101. Also, Sim even makes "bad" Scrooge oddly sympathetic–
    His old comic timing gives him a sort of bitter chuckle of disbelief every time some poor do-gooder tries to appeal to his better nature: "The day off tomorrow, Cratchit?–(huh-huh!) You say the same thing every year!"
    But once he resists seeing the error of his ways, he keeps protesting "But I am too old to change, go and reform some younger man!"

  102. HMV had the 2012 Entertainment One "Emerald Edition" Blu-Ray at HMV today for $10, so I bit the bullet. It's not good. The image is weak. The DTS-HD audio (2 channel mono) is weak. The music over the opening credits skips like a record TWICE ("Hark the her-els sing"). There's no booklet like the Morningstar "Emerald Edition" DVD had, nor does it have the alternate opening on that DVD. It does have the British trailer for "Scrooge", though oddly enough the opening credits are for the North American "A Christmas Carol" version. HOWEVER…it is the only Blu-Ray I know of with the complete Mrs. Dilber "for reaching it out" line.

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  103. davidmatychuk

    HMV had the 2012 Entertainment One "Emerald Edition" Blu-Ray at HMV today for $10, so I bit the bullet. It's not good. The image is weak. The DTS-HD audio (2 channel mono) is weak. The music over the opening credits skips like a record TWICE ("Hark the her-els sing"). There's no booklet like the Morningstar "Emerald Edition" DVD had, nor does it have the alternate opening on that DVD. It does have the British trailer for "Scrooge", though oddly enough the opening credits are for the North American "A Christmas Carol" version. HOWEVER…it is the only Blu-Ray I know of with the complete Mrs. Dilber "for reaching it out" line.

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    Hi David!

    Is the visual quality actually not as good as the 2005 Morningstar DVD, or does it simply fall short by Blu-Ray standards?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  104. Tony Bensley

    Hi David!

    Is the visual quality actually not as good as the 2005 Morningstar DVD, or does it simply fall short by Blu-Ray standards?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    There is virtually no difference between the DVD and the Blu-Ray. There may be a tiny improvement in contrast in favour of the Blu-Ray, and a few tiny stray markings on the DVD source seem gone from the Blu-Ray, but switching back and forth between the two discs, I had to look at the amplifier to be positive which one was playing. Interestingly, the restoration comparisons on the two discs are completely different; the over 6-minute DVD comparison shows that Morningstar stabilized the image a lot, and also cleaned up lots of markings, while the almost 5-minute Blu-Ray comparison shows that their source needed very little in the way of stabilization, and mostly cleaned up minor markings. In other words, it appears that Entertainment One's Blu-Ray took the Morningstar restoration and tweaked it somewhat. I saw a few minor white lines in the scene in Scrooge's office with the charity workers on the DVD which were not on the Blu-Ray. There's one other thing; that opening credit music skipping on the Blu-Ray is also on the DVD, but only in the "A Christmas Carol" version of the opening credits. The music in the "Scrooge" opening credits is perfect. By the way, in this past week I also bought the Blu-Rays of the 1938 MGM "A Christmas Carol" and the Collector's Edition of "Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol" (which actually looks terrific compared to the DVD), so I'll need to take a new selfie of all my Christmas Carol videos. I'm going to need longer arms maybe.

  105. davidmatychuk

    There is virtually no difference between the DVD and the Blu-Ray. There may be a tiny improvement in contrast in favour of the Blu-Ray, and a few tiny stray markings on the DVD source seem gone from the Blu-Ray, but switching back and forth between the two discs, I had to look at the amplifier to be positive which one was playing. Interestingly, the restoration comparisons on the two discs are completely different; the over 6-minute DVD comparison shows that Morningstar stabilized the image a lot, and also cleaned up lots of markings, while the almost 5-minute Blu-Ray comparison shows that their source needed very little in the way of stabilization, and mostly cleaned up minor markings. In other words, it appears that Entertainment One's Blu-Ray took the Morningstar restoration and tweaked it somewhat. I saw a few minor white lines in the scene in Scrooge's office with the charity workers on the DVD which were not on the Blu-Ray. There's one other thing; that opening credit music skipping on the Blu-Ray is also on the DVD, but only in the "A Christmas Carol" version of the opening credits. The music in the "Scrooge" opening credits is perfect. By the way, in this past week I also bought the Blu-Rays of the 1938 MGM "A Christmas Carol" and the Collector's Edition of "Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol" (which actually looks terrific compared to the DVD), so I'll need to take a new selfie of all my Christmas Carol videos. I'm going to need longer arms maybe.

    Hi David!

    I played the opening titles on my 2005 Morningstar Entertainment "Bare Bones" (With A CHRISTMAS CAROL opening titles only!) Emerald Edition, and sure enough, the skips ARE there! It appears that you have the only truly complete quality version (The opening music is also intact on the rather inferior Guillotine Films A CHRISTMAS CAROL DVD with the UK SCROOGE title card!) by virtue of your ME DVD Version that also contains the opening UK Version SCROOGE titles, though with your described awkward bit of black screen between the end of those and the start of the first scene after both sets of opening titles, that might even be a bit questionable.

    Your having brought up the subject of alternate edits also has me wondering about something else: As there were U.S and UK versions with differing opening titles, does it perhaps follow, that a bit of the film's original content might also differ between the two versions, or is it simply alternate (IE. previously unreleased?) footage that found its way to one or more home video releases? This is just a bit of speculative questioning on my part!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  106. Tony Bensley

    I contacted the VCI representative today, and it turns out that, due to some unexplained technical glitch (My order wasn't showing, even though she was quite certain that she had placed it on November 3rd!), my replacement disc most likely never shipped! She was most apologetic and was in the process of printing up another order for me even during our conversation! This time, she'll be emailing me my order and tracking numbers.

    It seems like these days, anything I try to do gets messed up on account of key information getting lost in cyberspace! SHEESH!!

    Ah well, I guess that's just the way of it, sometimes!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    At least I know that THIS replacement disc has shipped, as my tracking number indicates the Post Office in Tulsa, Oklahoma as its current location, on the USPS.com website!

    Here's hoping that this one arrives without a hitch, and in at least a fairly timely fashion!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  107. One thing that I've learned from having received the 2012 VCI Entertainment A CHRISTMAS CAROL DVD instead of the companion Radio Program and Bio-Bibliography: The choppy playback that occurs on the Blu-Ray when the setting is in 24 frames per second (Usually named Movie or Cinematic) mode, does NOT apply to the DVD, which still looks rather good!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  108. moviebuff75

    Maybe the missing line is not really missing. Perhaps it was from the U.S. version?

    Hi Eric!

    Mrs. Dilbur's lips can be clearly seen moving with no audio on the version that appears on the 2012 VCI release (Both Blu-Ray and DVD!), which is the UK SCROOGE titled version!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  109. Having viewed SCROOGE this evening (With the George Cole/Marcus Hearn Commentary, which I actually rather enjoyed!), I noticed another brief instance of image shift. This occurs at about 1:04:40 just when Bob Crachit is about to sit down by the family table during the "Christmas Future" segment. On both the 2012 Blu-Ray and DVD versions, watch to the right of the mantle as the small framed picture and small section of wall briefly wiggles!

    The Scene In Question (From The 2012 Standalone DVD Version)
    View attachment 14987

    Although I cannot unfortunately, give a proper screenshot comparison here, another thing I noticed tonight is that while the image on the DVD has narrow but distinct black sidebars (As illustrated on the screenshot image above!), these do not appear at all on the Blu-Ray presentation! Also, in playing the first 15 minutes of the DVD version on our 32" Flatscreen TV before switching to the Blu-Ray disc, I found the differences in video quality to be considerably more pronounced than I had first supposed!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  110. I checked the scene on the 60th Anniversary Blu-ray, and it looks like a warp. It's not that way on the 2007 VCI DVD.
    I've always enjoyed the shot of the stagehand in the mirror Scrooge looks into on Christmas morning. You see him twice, and apparently no one noticed this until it was too late, if at all.

  111. Dr Griffin

    I checked the scene on the 60th Anniversary Blu-ray, and it looks like a warp. It's not that way on the 2007 VCI DVD.
    I've always enjoyed the shot of the stagehand in the mirror Scrooge looks into on Christmas morning. You see him twice, and apparently no one noticed this until it was too late, if at all.

    Hi Stanley!

    Though I had read about this recently, I finally spotted it when viewing the Blu-Ray earlier this evening! No, that close cropped hairdo that the stagehand sported was most certainly NOT all the rage in early 1840's Victorian London! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    While More Difficult To Spot On The DVD Version, Closer Inspection On The Mirror's Left Side Does Indeed, Reveal Another Presence In Ebenezer's Lair!
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    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  112. I never noticed until the 2007 VCI DVD release that we're actually supposed to see the actor C. (for "Czeslaw", I bet) Konarski's impassive face under his Ghost Of Christmas Yet-To-Come shroud in a few shots. As far as the man in the mirror, so easy to spot on Blu-Ray, I must have seen the movie fifty times before I ever saw him. The actors are so brilliant in the scene that it's quite possible that that poor grip retired from show business before anybody was bothered about his mistake.

  113. davidmatychuk

    I never noticed until the 2007 VCI DVD release that we're actually supposed to see the actor C. (for "Czeslaw", I bet) Konarski's impassive face under his Ghost Of Christmas Yet-To-Come shroud in a few shots. As far as the man in the mirror, so easy to spot on Blu-Ray, I must have seen the movie fifty times before I ever saw him. The actors are so brilliant in the scene that it's quite possible that that poor grip retired from show business before anybody was bothered about his mistake.

    Hi David!

    This is yet another aspect that I will have to check out on my next SCROOGE viewing, and attempt to spot C. Konarski's face. He was apparently, quite a distinguished actor, according to the commentary on the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD! The commentary itself was recorded by George Cole (Who portrayed young Ebenezer.) and Marcus Hearn in the summer of 2005, almost exactly 54 years after the filming had began.

    What struck me while viewing the School scene, as Marcus' commentary described George as being 26 at the time of filming, was the way in which the visible side of George's profile was shaded in near silhouette throughout the entire scene, as if to try and hide any signs of age! The Cinematographer sure didn't seem to miss any tricks in regards to the lighting!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  114. Tony Bensley

    Hi David!

    This is yet another aspect that I will have to check out on my next SCROOGE viewing, and attempt to spot C. Konarski's face. He was apparently, quite a distinguished actor, according to the commentary on the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD! The commentary itself was recorded by George Cole (Who portrayed young Ebenezer.) and Marcus Hearn in the summer of 2005, almost exactly 54 years after the filming had began.

    What struck me while viewing the School scene, as Marcus' commentary described George as being 26 at the time of filming, was the way in which the visible side of George's profile was shaded in near silhouette throughout the entire scene, as if to try and hide any signs of age! The Cinematographer sure didn't seem to miss any tricks in regards to the lighting!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    The 1951 "Christmas Carol" has the best lighting of any version. The comparisons to David Lean's Dickens adaptations certainly begin there. George Cole did benefit from the cinematography, but that's excellent acting. In a few short scenes he manages to suggest the forces at work on Scrooge's personality as a young man. I wonder how much off-set help his mentor Alastair Sim gave him in portraying his younger self?

  115. The latest Blu-ray has some very good blacks. Some of the scenes, Scrooge's grave for one, seem to be crushed (as they say), or very near, but maybe appropriate for this scene! I will be watching this version several times during the season with maybe some steak and kidney pudding – waiter, more bread!

  116. I just received the latest BD of this 1951 version. Sometime over the next 4-5 weeks, I will sit down and watch that BD as well as the recently released BD of the 1938 version to see if my opinion of the 1951 film has changed over the years in comparison to my preference for the 1938 film.

  117. I don't know if you've seen the '51 ACC on any of the Blu releases yet, Robert. But, if you haven't, I think you'll be very pleased with how good it looks.

    It's a real revelation. The restoration was well done (IMO).

  118. Mike Frezon

    I don't know if you've seen the '51 ACC on any of the Blu releases yet, Robert. But, if you haven't, I think you'll be very pleased with how good it looks.

    It's a real revelation. The restoration was well done (IMO).

    I have the original BD release, but haven't watched it as I always preferred to watch the 1938 film. However, this year, I have committed to seeing this 1951 film again.

  119. I love both films but my heart is with the MGM version. The reason is this. Way back in the mid 60s the film was brought to our school. The entire school which was not that big was able to view it in one sitting before Christmas break. After that every time it showed up on the late late show during Christmas week I would view it.I traveled to Woodfield Mall in Chicago to buy it when I knew it was available back in the 80s on VHS and yes dare I say it colorized. I later of course purchase the DVDs of both the MGM and the 51 version and thought I had a good Blu-ray of 51. I am going to have to check but I think it is 2012. I also saw the 1951 version on the late late show and it enjoyed it too. The 1951 really goes more into the book.Here of course goes the constant plea for the release of the Richard Evans Christmas Carol. I have a copy but we all know where that came from.

  120. Tony Bensley, on 13 Nov 2014 – 4:15 PM, said:[​IMG]

    Tony Bensley

    Maybe I'm just being impatient, but does EVERYTHING coming to Canada from the U.S. have to take at least the better part of two weeks to arrive, even when it's shipped priority post? I've been anxiously waiting for my replacement disc containing the Lionel Barrymore Christmas 1939 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Radio Play, along with the Fred Guida Bio-Bibliography, to arrive, which was sent from VCI Entertainment on November 3!

    I'm hoping that I don't have to wait through yet another weekend for this!

    CHEERS!

    Tony Bensley

    I contacted the VCI representative today, and it turns out that, due to some unexplained technical glitch (My order wasn't showing, even though she was quite certain that she had placed it on November 3rd!), my replacement disc most likely never shipped! She was most apologetic and was in the process of printing up another order for me even during our conversation! This time, she'll be emailing me my order and tracking numbers.

    It seems like these days, anything I try to do gets messed up on account of key information getting lost in cyberspace! SHEESH!!

    Ah well, I guess that's just the way of it, sometimes!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    I know that posts such as these, are somewhat off topic, but I'm beginning to find the seemingly endless wait for my replacement disc a bit wearisome!

    While I do know that at least the second order attempt did go through, the USPS tracking has remained unchanged since early Saturday morning when it "Arrived at Unit" in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

    I just want to have this disc, ALREADY! This ridiculously cold (Especially for mid-November!) and snowy weather isn't doing anything for my spirits, either!

    At least we don't live in Buffalo! What they've been slammed with (6 Feet of Snow and counting!) is just uneffing real!!

    AARRGGHH!!!!

  121. Robert Crawford

    The 1938 film is what I grew up watching on TV every Holiday season in the 1960s so it has sentimental value to me.

    And I've never seen the '38 version, Robert. So I've got some making up to do of my own.

    The thing is, I think the '51 version is so close to perfection, I have always feared that I would find the '38 to pale next to it no matter how good it is. But I suppose that's not fair.

  122. Mike Frezon

    And I've never seen the '38 version, Robert. So I've got some making up to do of my own.

    The thing is, I think the '51 version is so close to perfection, I have always feared that I would find the '38 to pale next to it no matter how good it is. But I suppose that's not fair.

    The 1938 version works best if it's the first version you were familiar with as a child. It's a warmer, fuzzier version of the tale, but a bit too truncated to be my favorite. And Reginald Owen is no Alistair Sim. Too bad Lionel Barrymore wasn't physically able to do it. It has its sentimental charm but it will pale next to the '51 version, if you're a fan of that one.

  123. I grew up with bothโ€ฆ and at a very young age even juxtaposed certain scenes (for example I remember thinking that the entrance of the Ghost of the Future in the 1938 version — with Scrooge laughing uproariously only to be transferred to a very scary terrain in mid-laugh — was from the 1951 version)โ€ฆ but I did see the '38 version first; three weeks before my 6th birthday on Christmas Day of 1966 (earlier that season my father had read me Dickens' original novel). Two Christmases later I saw the 1951 versionโ€ฆ and was hooked. For the next half-dozen years or so, both became holiday staples in my house.

  124. If you go into the 1938 version just looking for a cozy Christmas experience, and enjoy it for that, it will become one of your favorites. If you are looking at it critically, examining its faithfulness to the story, you are likely to be disappointed. It's probably my favorite version (followed by the Jim Carrey version), but it isn't the most faithful by a long shot.

  125. The '51 version is the standard I hold all others to, however I never expect any other version to be that good (I admit to my own unrealistic standards). I saw SCROOGE (musical) for the first time two Christmases ago and ended up really liking it (not a huge musical fan). I watched the GSC version at the same time, liked it too in many ways. Saw the Patrick Stewart version last season, didn't do much at all for me. Soon, I'll list my favorites, when my head is a little more clear and I'm willing to be in a more Xmassy mood.

  126. Tony Bensley

    Tony Bensley, on 13 Nov 2014 – 4:15 PM, said:
    I know that posts such as these, are somewhat off topic, but I'm beginning to find the seemingly endless wait for my replacement disc a bit wearisome!

    While I do know that at least the second order attempt did go through, the USPS tracking has remained unchanged since early Saturday morning when it "Arrived at Unit" in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

    I just want to have this disc, ALREADY! This ridiculously cold (Especially for mid-November!) and snowy weather isn't doing anything for my spirits, either!

    At least we don't live in Buffalo! What they've been slammed with (6 Feet of Snow and counting!) is just uneffing real!!

    AARRGGHH!!!!

    You can come watch it here in mild, overcast Vancouver whenever you like, Tony.

  127. I saw the news tonight. I no longer am complaining about Chicago cold and snow. This weekend was when we got hit. Perfect as I have stated before. Tree up and out came White Christmas. I had 1938 in my hand but held off. I watched The Frost Men from Voyage and and the Ice planet from the original BSG instead.

    About Christmas Carol 1938 and what Robert said. He is on to something. I was a kid and it was the very first film version I ever saw. This is why I love it so much perhaps. I sort of like the Patrick Stuart one. I just am a fan of his acting I guess.

  128. Mark Collins

    I saw the news tonight. I no longer am complaining about Chicago cold and snow. This weekend was when we got hit. Perfect as I have stated before. Tree up and out came White Christmas. I had 1938 in my hand but held off. I watched The Frost Men from Voyage and and the Ice planet from the original BSG instead.

    About Christmas Carol 1938 and what Robert said. He is on to something. I was a kid and it was the very first film version I ever saw. This is why I love it so much perhaps. I sort of like the Patrick Stuart one. I just am a fan of his acting I guess.

    I like the Patrick Stewart version too, but right there playing Cratchit is the man who I think might be a great Scrooge some day – Richard E. Grant.

  129. Tony Bensley

    Apart from the Emerald releases by Morningstar Entertainment, do you know whether any of the pre 2009 VCI DVD issues include the four missing words of dialogue "for reaching it out," as spoken by Ebenezer's "Former" Maid Mrs. Dilby, during the "Ghost of Christmas Future" sequence? This occurs at about the 1:09:30 mark of the 2009 – 2012 VCI editions!

    Reading this thread I was intrigued to check out a TV broadcast of the film under the British title SCROOGE on one of the UK channels today. It was the Renown Pictures Digitally Remastered 2012 version, presumably the same as the R2 DVD released by Renown, and it does include Mrs Dilby's complete line, including those four words missing from other versions.

  130. Douglas R

    Reading this thread I was intrigued to check out a TV broadcast of the film under the British title SCROOGE on one of the UK channels today. It was the Renown Pictures Digitally Remastered 2012 version, presumably the same as the R2 DVD released by Renown, and it does include Mrs Dilby's complete line, including those four words missing from other versions.

    Hi Doug!

    If this is the case, then it would appear that the missing four words ("for reaching it out") of dialogue is due to some sort of "across the board" (Meaning all final transfers to DVD and Blu-Ray!) authoring error rather than audio that was already missing from the print that VCI referenced in their restoration efforts!

    Bizarre, indeed!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  131. Well, it's been yet another week (It is now 3 weeks and counting!) that I have still NOT received my replacement DVD that contains the 1939 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Radio Broadcast and the Fred Guida Bio-Bibliography!

    While I was hoping that there was an outside chance my original replacement order had been processed and shipped, the passage of time (Expected Delivery for Priority International orders is 6 – 10 business days, and 15 of those have already passed!) has sadly, borne out that possibility to be pretty much nil! For the order that I KNOW went out (Though there's been no new updates since last Saturday, which only adds to my already extreme annoyance!), it is now the 5th business day, though next week's U.S. Thanksgiving and quite possibly the severe weather that has seemingly plagued virtually all of America and Canada as of late, has to be factored in, as well!

    At this rate, I might receive my replacement disc sometime in the New Year?

    CHEERS!

    Tony

    P.S. To Dave Matychuk; much thanks are overdue for your kind offer to visit your abode, though I don't suspect that I'll ever be able to take you up on it. I do nevertheless, greatly appreciate the sentiment!

  132. One thing that strikes me when I view the front and back covers of this Spanish Blu-Ray, is that reading from the usual left to right, Michael Hordern (As Jacob Marley) is actually listed BEFORE Alastair Sim on the front cover! I also gather that, based on the 86 minute listing, this title is most certainly not affected by 4% speedup, though with the Blu-Ray format, I've also read that a "slow down" effect is sometimes experienced when playing European Blu-Ray discs on North American Players!

    I for one, would be most interested in hearing about the quality level of this version by Cinema International Media!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  133. I just received an email update from USPS, informing me that my replacement disc is in Canada, having cleared customs just a little over an hour ago! Further checking at the Canada Post website indicates that it is in Mississauga, which is just outside Toronto, and only a few hours south of where we live. Thus, I should be receiving this sometime early next week!

    Oh, Happy Days!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  134. Mike Frezon

    [​IMG]

    Tony Bensley: [grumpily] I don't deserve to be so happy.
    [starts laughing uncontrollably again]
    Tony Bensley: I can't help it!

    Hi Mike!

    I was trying to think of a line from the Film itself, but I guess I'm just not that clever past midnight! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    You nailed it perfectly!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  135. davidmatychuk

    Who loves the 1951 "A Christmas Carol" with Alastair Sim more than this Forum? NO Forum, that's who!

    Yes, this is definitely the best version. I keep hoping that one year, they'll release a version that fixes all those annoying video jumps but I guess it won't be this year.

    I used to watch the 1938 Owen version (I'm not sure which one I saw first) and it's the most similar looking one to the Sim version but it's inferior in every way. I have the Owen version on a 4 movie set but I haven't watched it yet. Maybe this year, as time allows.The earlier Seymour Hicks version is interesting but not something I watch every year.

    The George Scott version is very good and is probably my second favorite, though when I watch it, I always get the impression I'm watching George Scott and not Ebenezer Scrooge.

    I've only seen parts of the Patrick Stewart version. What I've seen didn't seem too convincing but I'd like to watch the whole thing once, just in case.

    I had never seen the Finney version until it came out on Blu-ray a couple of years ago, and I didn't care for it at all. I have nothing against musicals but this didn't seem the type of movie that worked as one. Maybe it's because I didn't think any of the songs were very good. The "Thank You Very Much" parade at the end seemed way over the top to me. I ended up selling my copy after watching it for a second time last year.

    Still haven't seen the recent Carrey version, though I'm kind of skeptical of Jim Carrey as Scrooge.

  136. Insofar as the 1938 Reginald Owen version, I do have the DVD, which I've viewed exactly once in the two years that I've had it. Truth be told, my main motivation for purchasing this was for the 2 minute film clip of a pre WIZARD OF OZ Judy Garland singing Silent Night, which I didn't feel bad spending $5 for! As for the newly released Blu-Ray, I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to purchase this!

    Regarding the other aforementioned versions, I've only seen the Jim Carrey version all the way through. While it is in my opinion, a very good presentation, I found that this one skipped too many key parts to be truly viable for me!

    I simply don't foresee the definitive Alastair Sim version ever being matched, much less topped EVER!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  137. Tony Bensley

    Insofar as the 1938 Reginald Owen version, I do have the DVD, which I've viewed exactly once in the two years that I've had it. Truth be told, my main motivation for purchasing this was for the 2 minute film clip of a pre WIZARD OF OZ Judy Garland singing Silent Night, which I didn't feel bad spending $5 for! As for the newly released Blu-Ray, I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to purchase this!

    Regarding the other aforementioned versions, I've only seen the Jim Carrey version all the way through. While it is in my opinion, a very good presentation, I found that this one skipped too many key parts to be truly viable for me!

    I simply don't foresee the definitive Alastair Sim version ever being matched, much less topped EVER!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Well, that's a matter of opinion. ๐Ÿ™‚

  138. Robert Crawford

    Well, that's a matter of opinion. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Fifth-dimensional versions of the guys in this forum will be coming to take you through a wormhole back to your childhood so you can see the 1951 version first. That's right, we're talking Alastair Sim in "An Interstellar Christmas Carol".

  139. There's a BBC version of the story with Michael Hordern as Scrooge. Very minimalist, creepy, and also enjoyable, but not for evergine.Re: the animated version from '71 — it has never been issued officially on dvd. The best versions I've seen are on YouTube from a Richard Williams obsessed fan who posted a HD recording from a 16mm print.

  140. bgart13

    Re: the animated version from '71 — it has never been issued officially on dvd. The best versions I've seen are on YouTube from a Richard Williams obsessed fan who posted a HD recording from a 16mm print.

    Wouldn't that make a fine Criterion Blu-Ray extra? I'm just sayin'.

  141. It occurs to me that there is one very good reason that we fans of the 1951 version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL/SCROOGE, ought to be grateful that this wasn't made prior to the 1938 MGM version:

    When MGM bought the rights to GASLIGHT, which had previously been filmed in the UK and released in 1940, one stipulation of theirs was that every single copy of the UK version be destroyed, lest it might provide competition to their remake! Luckily, for today's viewers, this ultimately proved to be unsuccessful, and can view both the 1940 UK, and 1944 MGM versions!

    Just imagine a world in which the Alastair Sim version (Perhaps, along with all other feature length versions?) of SCROOGE no longer existed due to a successful MGM waged print destruction campaign, and we were stuck with the horrible miscasting (In my opinion!) of Reginald Owen's Ebenezer Scrooge!

    While I do respect the opinions of others, I'm not at all shy about expressing my own. The latter wasn't always the case!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  142. Has anyone heard the audiobook of it with Tom Baker? He's great, it's well worth getting for fans of the story (and Mr. Baker & Doctor Who). I'd love to see him star in a film of it, however he's a bit too large these days to physically resemble Scrooge.

  143. I have an audio cd version with a Bernard Herman score. I only own 5 Richard Evans 1951 version 1938 version Disney Version with Micky Jim Carry version which I enjoyed in the theater but not really at home for some reason

  144. Well, I finally received my replacement order today!

    Just to make it clear for those who don't have the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo, here are some Screenshots that clearly show the features that should be on the Bonus DVD:

    All Three Features Are Clearly Listed On The Sole Menu Page:
    View attachment 15147

    Like The Blu-Ray, The Bonus DVD Does Include The 5 Minute Leonard Maltin Introduction:
    View attachment 15148

    The Bonus DVD Also Includes The UK Titled SCROOGE:
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    The Radio Page For The Annual Hour Long Campbell's "A CHRISTMAS CAROL" Radio Presentation From 1939, Starring Lionel Barrymore:
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    The 15 Minute Fred Guida Bio-Bibliography:
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    Note: Unlike the Blu-Ray, the Bonus DVD does NOT include the George Cole/Marcus Hearn Commentary Track.

    Finally, These Are The Discs That Should Be Included In The Set:
    View attachment 15152

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  145. bgart13

    Has anyone heard the audiobook of it with Tom Baker? He's great, it's well worth getting for fans of the story (and Mr. Baker & Doctor Who). I'd love to see him star in a film of it, however he's a bit too large these days to physically resemble Scrooge.

    Traditional movie Scrooges are skinny, to indicate that their stinginess extends to feeding themselves, as we see when Alastair Sim refuses a very inexpensive piece of bread in the 1951 version. I wouldn't mind seeing a fat Scrooge, though. Modern audiences see plenty of large rich people in real life, and an unrepentantly chubby Scrooge might be better movie shorthand for "I'm wealthy and I don't care about the poor" these days than a scrawny, self-denying Scrooge.

  146. Tony Bensley

    Well, I finally received my replacement order today!

    Just to make it clear for those who don't have the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo, here are some Screenshots that clearly show the features that should be on the Bonus DVD:

    All Three Features Are Clearly Listed On The Sole Menu Page:
    [​IMG]dvd_snapshot_00.07_2014.11.25_12.58.54.jpg

    Like The Blu-Ray, The Bonus DVD Does Include The 5 Minute Leonard Maltin Introduction:
    [​IMG]dvd_snapshot_00.04_2014.11.25_12.59.36.jpg

    The Bonus DVD Also Includes The UK Titled SCROOGE:
    [​IMG]dvd_snapshot_00.00.32_2014.11.25_13.00.32.jpg

    The Radio Page For The Annual Hour Long Campbell's "A CHRISTMAS CAROL" Radio Presentation From 1939, Starring Lionel Barrymore:
    [​IMG]dvd_snapshot_00.01_2014.11.25_13.00.58.jpg

    The 15 Minute Fred Guida Bio-Bibliography:
    [​IMG]dvd_snapshot_00.02_2014.11.25_13.01.25.jpg

    Note: Unlike the Blu-Ray, the Bonus DVD does NOT include the George Cole/Marcus Hearn Commentary Track.

    Finally, These Are The Discs That Should Be Included In The Set:
    [​IMG]PIC_0520.JPG

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    You don't DESERVE to be so happy…You just can't help it! (wipes happy tears from eyes) Old Bensley was as good as his word. He became as good a friend, as good a master, and as good a man as the good old city ever knew, or any other good old city, town, or borough in the good old world. And to tiny Home Theatre Forum, who lived and got well again, he became a second father. (Home Theatre Forum: "UNCLE TONY!") And it was always said that he knew how to keep the Blu-Ray+DVD combo pack of "A Christmas Carol" well, if any man alive possessed the knowledge. May that be truly be said of us, and all of us! And so, as Home Theatre Forum observed, "God bless VCI, everyone!"

  147. Tony Bensley

    You're not going to believe what I discovered today in my conversation with a VCI representative, regarding the 2012 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD Combo! There was apparently one Retailer who INSISTED that VCI include the Standalone DVD with the same features as the Blu-Ray disc INSTEAD of the Bonus DVD! I believe she stated that it was Import CDs (From where I had ordered my set!), with whom they did used to deal with directly, which would explain why my set was packaged the way it was! This is just a note of caution for anyone else who may want to order this set.

    By the way, VCI will be sending me a replacement Bonus DVD!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Good to hear as my copy from Amazon also is missing the radio show on the bonus DVD. So just contact them via Facebook?

  148. Tony Bensley

    Insofar as the 1938 Reginald Owen version, I do have the DVD, which I've viewed exactly once in the two years that I've had it. Truth be told, my main motivation for purchasing this was for the 2 minute film clip of a pre WIZARD OF OZ Judy Garland singing Silent Night, which I didn't feel bad spending $5 for! As for the newly released Blu-Ray, I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to purchase this!

    Regarding the other aforementioned versions, I've only seen the Jim Carrey version all the way through. While it is in my opinion, a very good presentation, I found that this one skipped too many key parts to be truly viable for me!

    I simply don't foresee the definitive Alastair Sim version ever being matched, much less topped EVER!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    The Reginald Owen version is great. It was the first noncartoon version of the story I saw and, but for the Alaster Sim version, would be my favorite. There are some really unique, terrific moments in the film: Fred and his wife in church, the boys sliding on the ice, Scrooge showing up at Cratchit's house at the end with toys and goodies. Last but not least, there is a young Ann Rutherford in a long blond wig waking Scrooge up in the middle of the night to show him his past. Yowza! For those of us who like to revisit classic "Christmas" movies every year, there is also Gene Lockhart as Cratchit. He later shows up as the judge in Miracle on 34th Street and, for those who treat it as a Christmas movie (a lot of U.S. tv stations traditionally played it around Christmas for many years), the banker in Going My Way.

  149. Mark Cappelletty

    Good to hear as my copy from Amazon also is missing the radio show on the bonus DVD. So just contact them via Facebook?

    Hi Mark!

    Did you order through Import CDs or directly through Amazon? I ask this because I ordered my set via Import CDs, whom through my correspondence with Penny Brokaw at VCI, I discovered that they insisted that the Bonus DVD be replaced with the Standalone DVD that has the identical features as the Blu-Ray disc! If Amazon themselves are also now having this done for some reason, I can only imagine how many replacement requests that VCI may end up getting nailed with!

    OOH-EE, what have I started?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  150. Tony Bensley

    Hi Mark!

    Did you order through Import CDs or directly through Amazon? I ask this because I ordered my set via Import CDs, whom through my correspondence with Penny Brokaw at VCI, I discovered that they insisted that the Bonus DVD be replaced with the Standalone DVD that has the identical features as the Blu-Ray disc! If Amazon themselves are also now having this done for some reason, I can only imagine how many replacement requests that VCI may end up getting nailed with!

    OOH-EE, what have I started?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Tony, come with us…

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  151. Mark Cappelletty

    Good to hear as my copy from Amazon also is missing the radio show on the bonus DVD.

    Hi Mark!

    Thank you very much for clarifying that your A CHRISTMAS CAROL VCI Blu-Ray/DVD set, which is minus the Radio Program and Fred Guida Bibliography came directly from Amazon!

    It has occurred to me that a lot of trouble would have been saved had the liner notes for the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo also been changed to accurately reflect the content! That there are also copies from Amazon that contain the alternative content indicates to me that this discrepancy is much more widespread than I had previously thought!

    CHEERS!

    Tony

  152. Garysb

    Through Dec 2 VCI Entertainment is having a 60% off retail sale. However a check shows its not 60% off. Code reduces price to $9.89. Not a bad price but not 60% MSRP which is listed on site as $19.99 with the webprice listed as $15.99.

    VCIBF60

    http://www.vcientertainment.com/Film-Categories?keyword=A%20Christmas%20Carol&product_id=655

    You need an order over $50 for free shipping.

    Hi Gary!

    Ordering directly through VCI is probably the best way of ensuring that the Bonus DVD is included on the A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD Combo as advertised!

    That is, except for those who actually prefer to get the DVD with the same features as the Blu-Ray disc, instead!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  153. Tony Bensley

    Hi Gary!

    Ordering directly through VCI is probably the best way of ensuring that the Bonus DVD is included on the A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray/DVD Combo as advertised!

    That is, except for those who actually prefer to get the DVD with the same features as the Blu-Ray disc, instead!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Yup, I'm sending my Amazon disc back to them and have reordered directly from VCI.

  154. What a great read this thread has been. Many thanks to all who have contributed.

    I've decided to order the 2012 BD/DVD edition direct from VCI using the above coupon.

    Although I have an older DVD version of this fine film somewhere in my collection, I think it's time for an upgrade. ๐Ÿ™‚

  155. I just received the BD from VCI with the correct discs. I verified the second disc with the "Campbell Playhouse" A Christmas Carol. In the next two weeks, I will sit down and watch this BD as well as the 1938 BD. As a film buff, it's a day I'm looking forward to.

  156. Robert Crawford

    I just received the BD from VCI with the correct discs. I verified the second disc with the "Campbell Playhouse" A Christmas Carol. In the next two weeks, I will sit down and watch this BD as well as the 1938 BD. As a film buff, it's a day I'm looking forward to.

    I ordered mine a day or two after you did. Hopefully, it will arrive from VCI soon.

  157. This thread is a great example of why I continue to love this forum.

    I just ordered this set through VCI's site. I *LOVE* radio dramas in general so getting that as bonus content that I can only count on via ordering through VCI is utterly worth it.
    Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread!

  158. Mark Walker

    This thread is a great example of why I continue to love this forum.

    I just ordered this set through VCI's site. I *LOVE* radio dramas in general so getting that as bonus content that I can only count on via ordering through VCI is utterly worth it.
    Thanks to everyone that has contributed to this thread!

    VCI has done a fantastic job on "A Christmas Carol". I've owned the 1951 version in every format from VHS ($39.95!) through Laserdisc, and then DVD and now Blu-Ray. I still have several editions on Blu-Ray and on DVD, and have had occasion to compare them all several different ways in the last couple of months. Every time I come back to the VCI Blu-Ray, I'm amazed anew. Minor anomalies aside, there's nothing else remotely close in picture quality or audio quality. The extras in this latest edition are extensive, interesting, useful, and imaginative. A small company like VCI has to try harder to compete, and they most certainly have. If this VCI Blu-Ray set didn't exist, would another company have made such an effort? "A Christmas Carol" with Alastair Sim has been my favourite Christmas movie for over 50 years, and there will probably never be a better home video version than this absolutely delightful one. Thank you, people at VCI.

  159. I find myself with a slight, though not necessarily disagreeable dilemma.

    In receiving a replacement Blu-Ray/DVD combo (Which includes the Campbells Soup A CHRISTMAS CAROL Radio program from 1939, and the Fred Guida Bibliography, along with the main Feature.), I now find myself with TWO 2012 VCI Blu-Ray SCROOGE disks, and the Standalone DVD, which includes the same Bonus Features!

    Perhaps I'll prepare some alternate liner notes for one of these at some point? ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  160. I had the privilege of seeing Alastair Sim's Scrooge on the big screen this afternoon at the TIFF Bell Lightbox in Toronto! What a treat it was to see it on the big screen and in such a gorgeous venue. There was a pretty decent turn out, which was nice to see. It was great to see all of my favourite characters flash upon the screen and come alive once again, and the print even had the original British Board of Film Sensors classification card before the main titles, something I'd never seen before!

  161. Mike, I have to admit that most of the classic films I've seen on the big screen have been digital projections, so it was probably a little rougher than I had anticipated but it looked quite good. I'm sure I'm not using the proper terminology but there were scratches, vertical lines and some jumps which made some dialogue disappear, but overall it was quite a nice print and it was such a treat to see it on the big screen.

    The weekend before I also saw the 1938 version on the big screen (on a double bill with Christmas in Connecticut). That film is charming in its own right and it was a thrill to see it on the big screen, but the 1951 version with Sim is a masterpiece and perfectly captures the spirit of the Dickens novella.

  162. In this neck of the Vancouver woods, every acquaintance I asked about associating watching the 1951 "A Christmas Carol" with watching it at any particular time said the same thing: Christmas Eve. That's when I'll be watching it, only on Blu-Ray instead of waiting for KVOS (out of Bellingham) to run it on "Million Dollar Movie" at 5:30, with a half-hour break for Walter Cronkite at 6:30, followed at 7 by the wonderful final third of the movie. I think I'll try simulating that experience this year. And if I decide to insert commercials for effect, I have just the laserdisc:

    View attachment 15609

  163. Hi Everyone,

    Just wanted to thank you all for such an informative thread. The 1951 Christmas Carol has always been one of my favourites and I found the information here a great help in acquiring the best possible Blu Ray version.

    On a side note I was just able to get a nice bit of memorial for our Christmas Decorations today, this poster just arrived and I put it up in the main room by the tree right away. Looks great, looking forward to having everyone over to watch A Christmas Carol this year.

    Take care and Merry Christmas from Cornwall Ontario!!

    Christian

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  164. Christian T Lee

    Hi Everyone,

    Just wanted to thank you all for such an informative thread. The 1951 Christmas Carol has always been one of my favourites and I found the information here a great help in acquiring the best possible Blu Ray version.

    On a side note I was just able to get a nice bit of memorial for our Christmas Decorations today, this poster just arrived and I put it up in the main room by the tree right away. Looks great, looking forward to having everyone over to watch A Christmas Carol this year.

    Take care and Merry Christmas from Cornwall Ontario!!

    Christian

    [​IMG]IMG_7312.JPG

    Great poster! Those captions are fantastic! Merry Christmas!

  165. Tony Bensley

    What an AMAZING poster! "The Incomparable Alastair Sim" is right on the money! Do you know whether this derives from a 1951 original, Christian?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    That poster was the front cover of the first VHS release I ever bought. It cost $39.95, and saying it was the best version of the movie I'd ever seen wasn't saying much.

  166. Tony Bensley

    What an AMAZING poster! "The Incomparable Alastair Sim" is right on the money! Do you know whether this derives from a 1951 original, Christian?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Good Morning Tony, as far as I know the poster is a reprint of a 1951 original. The site I purchased it at also had an original although in a different size but they look very similar. However the original was going for $2529.99 YIKES! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Take care Tony and Merry Christmas.

    Chris

  167. Christian T Lee

    Good Morning Tony, as far as I know the poster is a reprint of a 1951 original. The site I purchased it at also had an original although in a different size but they look very similar. However the original was going for $2529.99 YIKES! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Take care Tony and Merry Christmas.

    Chris

    Hi Chris!

    Thank you very much for the links, but I'm not able to purchase online at the moment, as I've had to get a new CC, and haven't had a chance to activate this as yet!

    Believe it or not, I think the original poster sold, as the link for that one no longer works!

    Have a Merry Christmas! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  168. Tony Bensley

    Hi Chris!

    Thank you very much for the links, but I'm not able to purchase online at the moment, as I've had to get a new CC, and haven't had a chance to activate this as yet!

    Believe it or not, I think the original poster sold, as the link for that one no longer works!

    Have a Merry Christmas! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone with deep pockets bought that poster. Many of those involved with the 1951 "A Christmas Carol" did very nicely for themselves. For example, I believe that C. Konarski had a long and lucrative career as a motivational non-speaker.

  169. I watched the 1951 version the other night and it is still my favorite. The blu ray picture is so good on this release!!!

    I also watched the Jim Carrey version and Scrooge (Albert Finney) as well.

    The 1938 one is ok, but I found it not as good as many of them.

    I think my 2nd favorite is the Albert Finney musical film. Mainly for the "I Hate People" song which becomes "I Like Life" at the end of the film.

    It's $8.99 on Amazon currently, however it is out of stock. Worth picking up, IMO. It's the only version that I have ever seen where Scrooge and Marley descend into hell.

    http://www.amazon.com/Scrooge-Blu-ray-Finney/dp/B005DKS1XK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419124861&sr=8-1&keywords=scrooge+blu+ray

  170. Osato

    I watched the 1951 version the other night and it is still my favorite. The blu ray picture is so good on this release!!!

    I also watched the Jim Carrey version and Scrooge (Albert Finney) as well.

    The 1938 one is ok, but I found it not as good as many of them.

    I think my 2nd favorite is the Albert Finney musical film. Mainly for the "I Hate People" song which becomes "I Like Life" at the end of the film.

    It's $8.99 on Amazon currently, however it is out of stock. Worth picking up, IMO. It's the only version that I have ever seen where Scrooge and Marley descend into hell.

    http://www.amazon.com/Scrooge-Blu-ray-Finney/dp/B005DKS1XK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1419124861&sr=8-1&keywords=scrooge+blu+ray

    Problem was Finney couldn't sing. He was really helped by the Ghost of Christmas Present on I Like Life. My favorite tune in that version is Happiness.

  171. Robert Crawford, on 21 Dec 2014 – 11:13 AM, said:[​IMG]

    Robert Crawford

    My "A Christmas Carol" showdown between the 1938 and 1951 versions is Tuesday. I'll watched the 1938 BD first followed by the 1951 VCI BD.

    Dr Griffin

    Does the loser become a coaster? ๐Ÿ˜†

    For me, it would be a no, if only because of the included Special Features for the 1938 Version, especially Judy Garland's Silent Night rendition, which are also on the DVD Version. The MGM Short, Featuring Jackie Cooper's Birthday Party is also, in my opinion, a fun treat.

    Frankly, I'm of the mindset that a little bit of imagination could have been used in adding a few more extras for the 1938 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-Ray release, rather than merely port over the same features that are on the previous DVD issue!

    Perhaps, the 1939 Campbells Soup A CHRISTMAS CAROL Radio Presentation, with Lionel Barrymore could have been added, just to demonstrate what might have been, had Lionel also been able to play Ebenezer Scrooge in the cinematic version instead of the miscast Reginald Owen! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  172. moviebuff75

    The 1938 version on blu restores the halo-like effect over several scenes, missing from the previous release. The contrast is much better, allowing that special glow to come through again.

    Hi Eric!

    It's nice to know that some improvements were made for the Blu-Ray release! Any film ought to be presented in the best possible way, and as close to original as possible!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  173. Just to bring things back on topic, it would also be nice if VCI could fix the 1951 SCROOGE's few remaining minor visual anomalies, and most of all, restore Mrs. Dilber's missing "for reaching it out" dialogue, that weren't rectified (To be fair to VCI, the said dialogue wasn't reported until AFTER their most recent reissue!) in their most recent 2012 Blu-Ray/DVD Combo reissue!

    With that said, big kudos to VCI for their previous efforts in rectifying other errors that were on the original 2009 and 60th Anniversary 2011 SCROOGE Blu-Ray/DVD sets!

    CHEERS! (And Happy Christmas To All!) ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  174. Tony Bensley

    Well, I finally received my replacement order today!

    Just to make it clear for those who don't have the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo, here are some Screenshots that clearly show the features that should be on the Bonus DVD:

    All Three Features Are Clearly Listed On The Sole Menu Page:
    [​IMG]dvd_snapshot_00.07_2014.11.25_12.58.54.jpg

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    I finally watched mine yesterday (I like to save this one to watch close to Christmas). According to Amazon I bought this in 2011. I had never checked the DVD before but I checked the menu and the extras are correct (though I haven't watched them yet).

  175. Just got done watching the Blu-rays for the 1938 and 1951 versions of A Christmas Carol.

    The 1938 version is still my favorite, but that's not to say the 1951 version doesn't have its share of merits. It's been years since I viewed the 1951 film and I can understand why so many of you love this film. However, the upbeat nature of the 1938 film just makes me feel better overall so i guess it comes down to personal preference, but in reality, there is no wrong choice as film appreciation is subjective to the core.

    As to the qualities of the Blu-rays presentations, I thought they both looked very good, with the 1938 BD really impressing me video presentation-wise. Excellent job by Warner! Anyhow, A Christmas Carol is a terrific story with a great message for us all so I'm extremely happy we have these film adaptations to enjoy year after year.

  176. Did anyone catch TCM's screening of the 1935 SCROOGE with Seymour Hicks? Although the print is in dire need of restoration, I was amazed at how expressionistic the cinematography was. At times, it felt like a German Lang film. Not like the MGM at all!

  177. Merry Christmas To All HTF Members Who Have Enriched This Thread With Some Marvelous Posts! Of All The Ones That I've Started, This Has Been By Far, The Most Rewarding!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    P.S. It was my desire to post a photo, but unfortunately for me, the HTF image uploader has been behaving like Ebenezer Scrooge before his transformation! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  178. Reed Grele

    My partner, my two dogs, and I will be enjoying the 1951 VCI blu-ray of A Christmas Carol this evening.Many thanks again to all for making this one of the most wonderful, informative, and entertaining threads of the past year! ๐Ÿ™‚

    And the same to alla yez. I will be doing the same later tonight. This is the very finest time to be watching this version of this story. In so doing, I get a little bit of my childhood back. And that ain't a bad thing.Cheers to all!

  179. God bless us, everyone!

    Merry Christmas gang!

    My wife and I had our annual viewing last night (of the '51 version).

    I was reminded of my favorite line. After Scrooge yells out to the young boy to go fetch the turkey–and bring back the butcher, too! So he goes to his desk to write down Bob Cratchitt's address (to send the turkey) and cannot find a "label, label, label, label." Makes me laugh out loud every single year! :biggrin:

  180. Here, now, are the lyrics to "Scrooge's Change Of Heart", the polka that Dennis plays at Fred's Christmas party for Scrooge and Fred's wife to dance to (begin singing after the four-bar fanfare):
    "Everybody dance around/This is Scrooge's change of heart/Hear that Merry Christmas sound/This is Scrooge's change of heart/Scrooge has finally changed his mind/He likes Christmas now/Everybody dance and everybody prance 'cause/This is Scrooge's change of heart"
    (Tupper begins shouting for everyone to dance)
    "Everybody's happy now/Everybody's laughing now/Everybody's clapping now/Scrooge's change of heart/Everybody's happy now/Everybody's laughing now/Everybody's dancing now/Scrooge's change of heart"
    (Joyous repeat of the opening chorus with an orchestra that has roared in out of nowhere to accompany Dennis' peppy piano playing)
    "Everybody dance around/This is Scrooge's change of heart/Hear that Merry Christmas sound/This is Scrooge's change of heart/Scrooge has finally changed his mind/He likes Christmas now/Everybody is dancing now/Everybody is laughing now/Everybody is happy now/All except..for…me…"

    I played this at my Christmas concert (with Dennis' expert prerecorded musical accompaniment) on Sunday, as I do every year. I follow it with a related singalong number called "Remembering Old Fezziwig". They bring the house down every time, because people do recognize the wonderful music from the 1951 "A Christmas Carol". Having not seen Richard Addinsell's name in this forum yet, I'd like to give a shout out to his fantastic work. There's a terrific 14-minute suite of Mr. Addinsell's score on the Telarc CD I'm holding up.

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    Merry Christmas Carol (1951) to you all!

  181. I watched this version last night with my family. It was my first time. (Don't kill me. A Christmas Carol is one of my favorite stories and I always meant to get around to this version.) I was charmed from beginning to end. Sim's performance was a revelation. I was familiar with his Scrooge in the Richard Williams version, but seeing his physical performance was a completely different experience. He is able to effortlessly transition from despicable miser to joyous convert with utter believability. The film will become an annual tradition in my house.

    I wish my affection for the film could carry over to the transfer on the DVD I bought. I had seen some previous comments about the 2012 VCI DVD. I should have known better, but I got it for around $7 at WalMart so I took a chance. I haven't seen such a badly-compressed mess since the early days of DVD. Next year, I'll try and get a decent Blu-ray. The film deserves better.

  182. Brian Kidd

    I watched this version last night with my family. It was my first time. (Don't kill me. A Christmas Carol is one of my favorite stories and I always meant to get around to this version.) I was charmed from beginning to end. Sim's performance was a revelation. I was familiar with his Scrooge in the Richard Williams version, but seeing his physical performance was a completely different experience. He is able to effortlessly transition from despicable miser to joyous convert with utter believability. The film will become an annual tradition in my house.

    I wish my affection for the film could carry over to the transfer on the DVD I bought. I had seen some previous comments about the 2012 VCI DVD. I should have known better, but I got it for around $7 at WalMart so I took a chance. I haven't seen such a badly-compressed mess since the early days of DVD. Next year, I'll try and get a decent Blu-ray. The film deserves better.

    Hi Brian!

    It is always a delight for me to hear of a first time viewer of the 1951 version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL/SCROOGE! For me, this has been THE version to watch since my adolescence, as I was fortunate enough that our local station aired this every December 25 without fail, and I also had an older brother who was already a fan to further encourage my own interest! While I've always admired Alastair Sim's definitive performance, it was only more recently I realized that a very important key is that Mr. Sim is equally convincing as the miser and the post transformed soul who suddenly finds himself full of childlike glee. His displays of regret during the 3 visitations are also handled beautifully. There simply isn't a single false note in Alastair Sim's performance. As for this marvelous Film's other elements, in my opinion, they add up to nothing short of Christmas magic!

    As for SCROOGE on Home Video, while no edition is entirely without flaw, the two best versions that I've seen are the 2012 VCI Blu-Ray/DVD Combo, and the 2005 Morningstar DVD issues, and either of these (I currently have both versions!) are, in my opinion, most worthwhile!

    CHEERS! (And Merry Christmas!) ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  183. I'd also like to add, that Micheal Hordern's performance as Marley, also sets this version apart. His passionate portrayal, brings across the immediacy of Scrooge's situation better than any other I've seen. Especially in comparison to Leo Carroll's portrayal in the 1938 version, which is more of a living corpse than a ghost, I feel Hordern's portrayal sets a better tone for the film. "Business! Mankind was my business!" ๐Ÿ™‚

  184. It gives me great pleasure to announce that I'm an idiot! :B) ๐Ÿ™„ ๐Ÿ™‚

    Turns out, I'd bought the earlier release and still had the DVD with the Campbell Playhouse on it. Since I've been consolidating where possible, I now have the 60th anniversary BD reunited with its little DVD brother, plus the other DVD with the other extras…all happily living together in a handsome 3-disc BD case (with the press book reproduction).

    Whatever else you hardcore collectors have, I might be a little envious, but this does the job for me. I'm a happy boy now, and relieved that I don't have to chase down a copy of the disc.

  185. No announcement necessary.

    We've all known for years!

    j/k :biggrin:

    I think that's a perfect package you've put together there. I was just looking through that press book reproduction when we had our viewing the other day. Had forgotten all about it. VERY NICE extra. :thumbsup:

  186. [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]Ukrainian Christmas isn't until January 7th, so I'm in Christmas viewing mode till then (at the very least). I'm doing Christmas laserdiscs right now, having just gone through "A Classic Christmas From The Ed Sullivan Show" (which I have on DVD but the audio is smoother on laserdisc) and "The Chieftains – The Bells Of Dublin", a one-hour one-sided (the B-side is pure white instead of silver) laserdisc. Both of these are quite wonderful. Next up, the 1938 MGM "A Christmas Carol", the laserdisc of which includes the 1941 Tom & Jerry "The Night Before Christmas", as well as all of the special features on the more modern discs, except that the Judy Garland "Silent Night", in black-and-white on the Blu-Ray and the DVD, is in full color! As a reward for this nearly-irrelevant-to-the-Alastair-Sim-topic, here are scans of the pressbook:[/SIZE]

    https://plus.google.com/photos/116608623809302266811/albums/6097654132895757025

    And here is the Classics Illustrated "A Christmas Carol" referenced in the pressbook:

    http://www.msgr.ca/msgr-2/classics_illustrated%20Christmas%20Carol%2000.htm

  187. I haven't had the opportunity to watch this (and a number of other Xmas "musts") yet, due to timing and then traveling from 12/24 till 12/30. I'll be catching up once I get home. I haven't been in much of a Xmas mood this year, unfortunately. Maybe this'll help a little.

  188. In 2014, I decided to try something I called "Little Christmas" on the 25th of each month, beginning in January. On that day, I would listen to an album or two of Christmas music and watch at least one Christmas-themed movie from my collection. I now have enough versions of "A Christmas Carol" on Blu-Ray or DVD to watch a different one on the 25th of each month in 2015, at least until I resume my usual holiday viewing of my Christmas videos in November, so I think I'll try Scrooge on the 25th all year, unless I decide that it might be more appropriate for the spirits to visit on the 24th, [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]or "Little Christmas Eve".[/SIZE]

  189. davidmatychuk

    In 2014, I decided to try something I called "Little Christmas" on the 25th of each month, beginning in January. On that day, I would listen to an album or two of Christmas music and watch at least one Christmas-themed movie from my collection. I now have enough versions of "A Christmas Carol" on Blu-Ray or DVD to watch a different one on the 25th of each month in 2015, at least until I resume my usual holiday viewing of my Christmas videos in November, so I think I'll try Scrooge on the 25th all year, unless I decide that it might be more appropriate for the spirits to visit on the 24th, [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]or "Little Christmas Eve".[/SIZE]

    Hi David!

    That's a marvelous way of keeping Christmas throughout the year!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  190. I turned 60 yesterday, and it just occurred to me that under normal actuarial circumstances I'll probably only watch Alastair Sim as Scrooge on Christmas Eve another 10 to 20 times in my life. Bummer.

  191. davidmatychuk

    I turned 60 yesterday, and it just occurred to me that under normal actuarial circumstances I'll probably only watch Alastair Sim as Scrooge on Christmas Eve another 10 to 20 times in my life. Bummer.

    Happy belated birthday David!

    I don't turn 60 until November. Since I plan on living until at least 105, by that time, brain into new body transplants will have been perfected. So I figure on at least a hundred more annual showings before the gray matter deteriorates. Unless, of course, they figure out how to transfer all of my memories into a synthetic brain with an indefinite life span. Then I'll be watching it forever from one of my virtual reality chip implants on a screen of enormous size. Or perhaps by then it will be available as a holodeck experience (ala Star Trek: TNG). Imagine being able to interact with the characters. Flying around with the ghost of Christmas past would be a rush! ๐Ÿ˜€

  192. davidmatychuk

    I turned 60 yesterday, and it just occurred to me that under normal actuarial circumstances I'll probably only watch Alastair Sim as Scrooge on Christmas Eve another 10 to 20 times in my life. Bummer.

    Hi Dave!

    Happy Belated Birthday, Dave! I just recently had one myself. While you have a few years on me, I too feel I'm well into my second half of this earthly coil!

    As for future Alastair Sim as Scrooge viewings, there's always your "Little Christmas" sessions on the 25th of each month, if that's of any consolation?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  193. davidmatychuk

    From cult movie expert Danny Peary's "Alternative Oscars" book, why he thinks Alastair Sim deserved the 1951 Best Actor Oscar (or a share of it):

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    Hi David!

    What's glaring is the omission of Alastair Sim's name from the list of Academy Award nominees! Of course, in the early 1950's, I don't believe that Foreign produced Films were yet receiving the level of recognition that the Academy seemingly readily bestows upon them these days!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  194. Some interesting news from Renown Pictures which I received in their newsletter today:

    Some exciting news we have been given some funding by The BFI for a complete 2k transfer from the original film negs of SCROOGE (1951 Sim and Cole etc) so Renown are trying our first Blu Ray in November of Scrooge in Black & White and a fully restored DVD of the film in both B&W and Colour.

  195. That IS interesting.

    Could the film on the new Blu-ray look even better than it already does? That sure would be amazing.

    It is always great to see a film well-treated simply due to it's honored place among its fans and it's legacy created based upon it's quality–even if it wasn't the most well-received film of its day.

  196. While that sounds good on the surface, I worry about the fact that it's happening in the UK. It seems to me that various individual companies have their territorial rights to the Alastair Sim SCRROGE (1951).

    Years and years of releases have come and gone here in the States, but pretty much always through VCI. I recall a horribly miserable LaserDisc that I bought with the hopes of getting a clean version of the film, only to be terrible disappointed. Year after year of VHS releases promising new restorations yielded more bad images and sound.

    Then the DVD era hit and the first versions were still pretty bad. If I'm remembering correctly, there were Internet reports of a supposed magnificent improvement from a Canadian concern, but I never managed to get that one. Instead, VCI in the States began issuing colorized and black & white editions of the film in multiple disc packaging.

    On Blu-ray, and early VCI "restoration" left a bit to be desired, followed by a 60th anniverary issue that was finally in the ballpark as far as restorations go. I bought that one and have been pretty satisfied with it for a Blu-ray of a previously problematic film. It too has its detractors. You can read about moving floorboards and other flaws, but really that 60th edition looks pretty darned good to my eyes. I now see things in this film that I never noticed before, just because the old murkiness is gone.

    Echoing Mike Frezon's question, will this new British scan be better than what we've got? Will it be region-free for those of us who don't play the re-jiggered player game? Will it end up having PAL speedup? (And DON'T tell me it doesn't exist in the Blu-ray age! I don't want to hear it!) Alastair Sim's clipped way of speaking cannot bear any more speed.

    Harry

  197. Harry-N

    Echoing Mike Frezon's question, will this new British scan be better than what we've got? Will it be region-free for those of us who don't play the re-jiggered player game?

    Exactly. I don't have many issues with the most recent VCI Blu.

    On the region-free issue: Who would be able to say since it sounds like it will be Reknown's first-ever Blu release? That could go either way.

  198. Harry,

    I think the Emerald Edition is probably the "Canadian concern" version you refer to. If you go through this thread, you'll find references to it, but to save you some time, the AV quality on the Emerald Edition DVD and Blu-Ray are nowhere near as good as the VCI releases in those formats, but they do have an intact line of dialogue from Mrs. Dilber in the Christmas Yet To Come sequence which is missing four words in VCI's discs. Hopefully these new developments in England will yield the most perfect possible home video version of the greatest Christmas movie ever made.

  199. Andrew Budgell

    That is interesting! I hope their Blu-ray isn't region B locked.

    You and me both, friend! :biggrin:

    What, it's been a couple years now since I've purchased a new version of A Christmas Carol? Something just hasn't felt right. :laugh:

  200. Just how much "For reaching it out" is necessary for us to finally gain access to a perfect SCROOGE / A CHRISTMAS CAROL?

    Perhaps it will be a case of "There's No Place Like Home" (Renown Pictures) for providing us with the ultimate answer?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  201. I'd probably only re-purchase if it promised the alternate American title card. I grew up with this movie in the U.S. where it was known as A CHRISTMAS CAROL, and while I normally am a firm believer in the use of original titles (no STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN for me… IT'S A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH! ๐Ÿ˜‰ ), because this is a wonderfully faithful (if expanded) version of Dickens' novella, I'd like the movie to retain its Dickensian title! ๐Ÿ™‚

  202. This poor movie has never had a complete, definitive version. The blu rays suffer from some weird encoding problem. Almost every scene has annoying jumps that aren't caused by film damage. Once you notice it, it is impossible to ignore.

  203. WilliamMcK

    Also on all the VCI blu-ray releases I have to turn off my blu-ray's 24fps processor or the moving image is jerky rather than smooth.

    Hi Biff!

    Which is ironic, given the Original Film is 24 fps to start with! I do recall some "jumps" in the footage, but a fresh viewing would be required for me to determine just how prevalent this is, as I recall this being a lot worse with the Blu-ray's 24 fps setting!

    The missing dialogue is the other major annoyance!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  204. And I'm not taking anything away from those who have issues, but I see no problems with the video on my gear (and I've gone looking for them).

    And the few missing words just aren't a dealbreaker for me. I'd prefer they'd be there, for sure. But I have never been able to get worked up about their absence.

  205. I must admit to being puzzled about the 24fps thing, as this movie's motion is as smooth as silk on my player and TV all set to proper 24fps film motion mode. Then there's the Soap Opera mode that makes it look like a teleplay on videotape, but that's not what I'm talking about. The TV and the Blu-ray player both have their settings that have to be properly engaged before the motion is correct. Film has a certain look at 24fps, and that's what having everything set correctly will yield on today's modern sets.

    I remember getting my 60" Sony TV a couple of years ago. We were in the midst of watching DEEP SPACE NINE on DVD and continued once the new set was hooked up and functioning. Initially I was appalled at the jerky motion artifacts I was seeing. It seemed that every time there was a SPFX happening – or even just a title sequence – the motion was jerky. On standard shots, it looked smooth.

    I dug through my settings on both the TV and the Blu-ray player to try to figure it out, ultimately ending up finding out that there was indeed a setting on the Blu-ray player that was labelled something a bit misleading. My apologies for not remembering what it was, but I think I had to turn it from "Auto" to "Off" to get a proper 24fps playback.

    Bottom line is: I think SCROOGE is fine in that department, so check your settings more thoroughly. Go to threads about that unit in various tech forums and see if anyone has figured it out.

    Now, I DO see the film jump up and down a bit, mostly at scene/overlap changes. That's something I guess I'm used to from watching old films. It seems like they've always done that, so it's not all that odd-looking to me.

    My copy of SCROOGE on Blu-ray is the 2011 Diamond/60th version.

    Harry

  206. One annoying aspect of the VCI Blu-ray that I recall is that, in switching the BD Player setting to "off" from "Auto" is that there is then some noticeable jerkiness in some of the Bonus Features. While not a deal breaker, I do find it slightly off putting.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  207. Mike Frezon

    And I'm not taking anything away from those who have issues, but I see no problems with the video on my gear (and I've gone looking for them).

    And the few missing words just aren't a dealbreaker for me. I'd prefer they'd be there, for sure. But I have never been able to get worked up about their absence.

    I totally agree about the video quality; I didn't notice the odd bouncing floorboard until it was pointed out here. As for the missing words, post #106 in this thread contains my dogged, Ahab-like, exhaustive personal research into Tony Bensley's precious four missing words (WARNING: you may experience some drowsiness). Everybody knows there are different video sources for "A Christmas Carol", but the prints themselves differ, too, and not just because some call it "Scrooge".

  208. Anything shy of an Ultimate, Definitive Blu-ray Release by Renown Pictures, I'm good with my existing 2005 Emerald DVD (For Its Complete Dialogue) and 2012 VCI Entertainment (For Its Overall Superior Presentation) Blu-ray/DVD's! ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  209. I think there are some missing frames here and there in the VCI, along with what looks like warping maybe in a couple places. I would guess VCI can't compete (afford) with the big studios when it comes to restorations, so some things are left alone.

  210. Mike Frezon

    You and me both, friend! :biggrin:

    What, it's been a couple years now since I've purchased a new version of A Christmas Carol? Something just hasn't felt right. :laugh:

    Too funny, Mike! :laugh: You know, I was thinking to myself the other day, "We haven't had a reissue in a few years, I bet this is the year!" I guess my hunch was correct. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  211. Harry-N

    I must admit to being puzzled about the 24fps thing, as this movie's motion is as smooth as silk on my player and TV all set to proper 24fps film motion mode. Then there's the Soap Opera mode that makes it look like a teleplay on videotape, but that's not what I'm talking about. The TV and the Blu-ray player both have their settings that have to be properly engaged before the motion is correct.

    I'm puzzled too… I have Auto Motion Plus on my Samsung set to off: and my blu-ray player set properly… but I have this issue with only two blu-rays: VCI'S SCROOGE and TCM's first blu-ray release of LADY FROM SHAGHAI. All other blus play perfectly in the 24 fps mode.

  212. Mike Frezon

    Any word on amazon.uk about region coding, Andrew?

    Hi Mike, nothing on the listing about the Blu-ray, but it says the DVD is Region 2, which I find strange as all of their other releases are region free. I'll try tweeting them to ask about the Blu-ray.

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    Christian T Lee posted this beautiful framed poster earlier in this thread, and I place it here because this poster (with a white background rather than yellow) was the front cover of the first VHS copy of "A Christmas Carol" that I ever bought, back in the 1980's, and it remains my favourite of all the video covers of this movie. I don't suppose Renown would consider something…better for what might be a definitive video version?

  214. "Definitive" is a hard word to apply to a home video release, David–unless, of course, you are working for the marketing company of a studio.

    I'd be hard-pressed to think of too many titles on which the fan base of a forum like this would attach the word "definitive." We're just too damn picky! :biggrin:

  215. Andrew Budgell

    Hopefully the restoration is better than the cover art…

    Amazon UK has a date of November 2, 2015.

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    I think that is just the generic cover format they use for their classic releases.

    Here is a release from Spain

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  216. Perhaps the 2012 Renown Pictures DVD has been previously discussed, but does anyone recall whether or not this is a complete print, and it's overall quality, especially regarding the visuals?

    Also, to address UK Amazon's Region 2 listing for the same, I've learned that Amazon's listings in this regard ought to be taken with a grain of salt, as they often lean on the side of caution regarding Region Listings. If Renown tends to go Region Free with their Releases, then I should think their upcoming Scrooge Blu-ray should likely be the same! Of course, it never hurts to make inquiries, either!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  217. George Cole was, I believe, the last surviving actor to have appeared in A CHRISTMAS CAROL as an adult! I actually really enjoyed his commentary, which detailed his having been taken in by the Sims, and as also mentioned in his obit as it appears in "The Guardian."

    This was the article that I stumbled onto about George Cole's passing, which interestingly makes no reference to Scrooge, or even Christmas: http://ca.eonline.com/news/683817/minder-actor-george-cole-dead-at-90

    I don't care for the wording of the above headline, by the way!

    My condolences to George Cole's Friends and Family. May he Rest in Peace!

  218. Very sad news about Mr. Cole. His memoir was published in 2013. I was living in London at the time and was hoping he'd do a signing so I could tell him how much I appreciated his work, especially in Scrooge. I'm sorry I'll never have that oppourtunity.

    I received a response from Renown via Twitter on whether their Blu-ray release will be region free. They told me they'd let me know closer to the release date. I wrote back saying their international customers and fans of Scrooge would appreciate it if it were region free. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  219. WilliamMcK

    Sad news: "young" Scrooge (George Cole) has died…

    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-13037771

    George Cole was excellent in Scrooge and was perfect in the film's most important scene–the death of Fan (not included by Dickens by the way). The scene marked Scrooge's last connection with his humanity before the visit of the Spirits, and in Cole's acting one can really see his residual love for his sister and his rising contempt for the living.

  220. Andrew Budgell

    Hopefully the restoration is better than the cover art…

    Amazon UK has a date of November 2, 2015.

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    Is there a link to this item? I can't find it on Amazon UK's site and the above link takes me to Amazon US (no particular product).

  221. Marvin

    For some reason, that link brings me to Amazon US's listing for the Albert Finney Scrooge. Strange.

    Hmm… it does for me, too, except that it sends me to Amazon Canada. Maybe HTF has some sort of a redirect? Go to Amazon UK and paste this code into the search bar: B012STKMHQ That should bring it up. (On first glance it looks like a DVD available now for ยฃ7.95. Click on it and it will indicate that the product is currently unavailable.)

  222. Andrew Budgell

    There's a page for it but Amazon isn't currently taking pre-orders: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scrooge-DVD-Alastair-Sim/dp/B012STKMHQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1439404244&sr=1-1&keywords=scrooge

    Marvin

    For some reason, that link brings me to Amazon US's listing for the Albert Finney Scrooge. Strange.

    It does the same thing to me!

    [email protected]#$% poxy Amazon Auto Redirect, or whatever this useless bit of business is called!

    Bah, Humbug! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  223. Tony Bensley

    It does the same thing to me!

    [email protected]#$% useless poxy Amazon Auto Redirect, or whatever this useless bit of business is called!

    Bah, Humbug! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    OK, I was able to get around it by displaying and copying the link manually (as opposed to by foot). Thanks!

  224. Marvin

    OK, I was able to get around it by displaying and copying the link manually (as opposed to by foot). Thanks!

    Hi Marvin!

    This method doesn't work for me?

    What do you mean by "display"? As far as I can tell, the displayed hyperlink address is incomplete. Even using the "Google it" method has proven useless for me!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  225. Tony Bensley

    Hi Marvin!

    This method doesn't work for me?

    What do you mean by "display"? As far as I can tell, the displayed hyperlink address is incomplete. Even using the "Google it" method has proven useless for me!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Tony, try the instructions I posted about 20 minutes ago. That should help. ๐Ÿ™‚

  226. Andrew Budgell

    Tony, try the instructions I posted about 20 minutes ago. That should help. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Hi Andrew!

    Thanks Andrew! I don't know how I missed that most helpful post!

    For the sake of the sanity of other interested HTF Members, to avoid the redirection nonsense, here's a non hyperlinked complete Amazon UK address: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scrooge-DVD-Alastair-Sim/dp/B012STKMHQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1439406276&sr=8-1&keywords=B012STKMHQ

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    P.S. The address automatically hyperlinked anyway, but at least by not using the HTF link function, it appears to eliminate the redirect nonsense, at least in this case! Just something to consider for future reference regarding the posting of Amazon links.

    P.P.S. For some reason, this same above link now redirects me to the Albert Finney DVD at Canadian Amazon! ๐Ÿ˜›

    My advice is to just follow Andrew's lead!

    UN-BLOODY-BELIEVABLE!! ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿ˜›

  227. Dr Griffin

    Tony, the link above sends me to the Finney DVD on what looks like Amazon.com US.

    Hi Stanley!

    In that case, I'd suggest following these instructions, as previously posted by Andrew Budgell: Go to Amazon UK (amazon.co.uk) and paste this code into the search bar: B012STKMHQ That should bring it up.

    Life was so much easier before Amazon introduced their stupid redirect according to the user's originating region nonsense! ๐Ÿ˜›

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  228. Tony Bensley

    Hi Marvin!

    This method doesn't work for me?

    What do you mean by "display"? As far as I can tell, the displayed hyperlink address is incomplete. Even using the "Google it" method has proven useless for me!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    I think I right-clicked on the link and was able to display it and copy part of the hyperlink.

    But it's much easier searching for the code Andrew posted.

    In any case, I was able to add it to my wish-list and set an alert.

  229. I believe this site (HTF) has a relationship with Amazon as a recommended retailer. For every purchase made through HTF/Amazon, a small amount it given to HTF to help defray the costs of running the site. As such, links posted are altered by scripts in the software so as to maximize that effort. The software knows your location so therefore can target the links to your proper Amazon territory. I think that's how it worls.

    Harry

  230. Marvin

    Amazon UK just notified me this is available to order – at a price of 38.34 GBP! (Subtracting VAT and adding postage/packing, that comes out to $54.80).

    Humbug!

    I just came to post the same news. Seems awfully high, doesn't it? Hopefully it's some sort of a mistake.

  231. Marvin

    Amazon UK just notified me this is available to order – at a price of 38.34 GBP! (Subtracting VAT and adding postage/packing, that comes out to $54.80).

    Humbug!

    Hi Marvin!

    If this is the correct price, Renown's Restoration had BETTER be PERFECT!! ๐Ÿ˜›

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  232. Marvin

    Amazon UK just notified me this is available to order – at a price of 38.34 GBP! (Subtracting VAT and adding postage/packing, that comes out to $54.80).
    Humbug!

    With a list price like this, Renown Pictures must be expecting to trade heavily on the BFI name, as Renown itself is an unknown quantity to most (not well-renowned at all, you might say).

    UK releases by quality labels like Arrow, MoC, Network, Eureka, Studio Canal and BFI Video list for anywhere between one-half to one-third of Renown's 38 pound opener!

    I understand that as a smaller concern, Renown will need to recoup its outlay costs, and I genuinely wish them well, but there's no way I'll consider upgrading from my VCI Blu at anywhere near Renown's current asking price – no matter how good the restoration.

  233. RMajidi

    I understand that as a smaller concern, Renown will need to recoup its outlay costs, and I genuinely wish them well, but there's no way I'll consider upgrading from my VCI Blu at anywhere near Renown's current asking price – no matter how good the restoration.

    Not unless there's a major change in the dollar-pound exchange rate….

  234. Marvin

    Not unless there's a major change in the dollar-pound exchange rate….

    Spare a thought then for those of us Down Under. With our exchange rates and shipping costs, the 38 pounds, minus VAT, plus shipping is approx $80!

    Nevertheless, I appreciate your keeping us up to date with the latest developments of this release, Marvin.

  235. RMajidi

    Spare a thought then for those of us Down Under. With our exchange rates and shipping costs, the 38 pounds, minus VAT, plus shipping is approx $80!

    Bankruptcy all around!

    I'll have to send me wife to a debtors' prison.

    Something about an August heat wave?

  236. Marvin

    Amazon UK just notified me this is available to order – at a price of 38.34 GBP! (Subtracting VAT and adding postage/packing, that comes out to $54.80).

    Humbug!

    Go ahead and pay the price. Do NOT worry about the consequences.

    After all, are there no prisons? Aren't the union workhouses still in operation?

  237. Moviemail.com who I've often used, have it listed as ยฃ29.99. Not as high as Amazon but still an incredibly high price. I've never seen a single disc Blu-Ray at that sort of price but it's looking as if Renown do intend to sell this at a very high price point.

  238. Zavvi has the upcoming Renown Blu-ray up for preorder for ยฃ19.99, almost half the price Amazon UK is listing it for. Zavvi says that's a savings of ยฃ10, so the exorbitant Amazon price must be error.

    The Zavvi listing also indicates that it's region free. When I Tweeted Renown they told me to check in closer to the release date about that. I'll do that in a couple of weeks to be on the safe side and get an official confirmation.

    http://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/scrooge-includes-dvd/11156112.html

  239. Andrew Budgell

    Zavvi has the upcoming Renown Blu-ray up for preorder for ยฃ19.99, almost half the price Amazon UK is listing it for. Zavvi says that's a savings of ยฃ10, so the exorbitant Amazon price must be error.

    The Zavvi listing also indicates that it's region free. When I Tweeted Renown they told me to check in closer to the release date about that. I'll do that in a couple of weeks to be on the safe side and get an official confirmation.

    http://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/scrooge-includes-dvd/11156112.html

    When I clicked on your link the price came up in US $ as $31.38 plus shipping.

  240. Noticing that the Blu-ray had been pulled I Tweeted Renown late last week and they told me it had been postponed, but didn't say until when. Amazon UK has a DVD of the film up for pre-order from Renown and the cover art (below) states it's from the 2K restoration. Not sure why the Blu would be postponed if they're still able to issue a DVD.

    [​IMG]

  241. Andrew Budgell

    Noticing that the Blu-ray had been pulled I Tweeted Renown late last week and they told me it had been postponed, but didn't say until when. Amazon UK has a DVD of the film up for pre-order from Renown and the cover art (below) states it's from the 2K restoration. Not sure why the Blu would be postponed if they're still able to issue a DVD.

    [​IMG]

    Hi Andrew!

    Well, that is very disappointing news on multiple levels:

    – Instead of a potentially new definitive HD version, we're stuck with yet another SD version, which in my opinion, is about as necessary as another hole in the head!

    – Even if this proves to be an exceptional (For DVD) version, there's still the PAL Format issues, which besides the annoying 4% speedup, is also a real bugaboo, insofar as playback on North American based DVD Devices!

    – What, no new release date? Considering that Christmas is little more than two months off, and it IS a Christmas title, in my opinion, they should have at least provided some indicator as to whether a release before this Christmas is still even a realistic possibility!

    – Then why is there NO issue in releasing a DVD version? To me, this smacks of Lionsgate's decision to go DVD only with LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE after having released the first 6 (Of 9) seasons on Blu-ray! Unless their Blu-ray pressing equipment has literally broken down or something along those lines, I see NO excuse for this! I say BAH! HUMBUG!! ๐Ÿ˜›

    I'll definitely be hanging onto my 2012 VCI Blu-ray/DVD combos and the 2005 Emerald Edition DVD, the latter of which includes the "For reaching it out" dialogue, that's missing from the VCI version!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  242. Konstantinos

    Oh, i didn't know there is a new Bluray coming.

    I see this company doesn't have any other Bluray release..

    Hi Konstantinos!

    It appears that they still don't have a Blu-ray coming–at least not yet!

    That Renown has no other Blu-ray releases explains a lot! Perhaps they've run into issues regarding starting up Blu-ray Disc replication? If so, hopefully it's just a minor hiccup, and nothing that will cause any major delays in a potentially Definitive Blu-ray version of A CHRISTMAS CAROL!

    That Renown has produced a 2K version with only a (For now?) PAL DVD being released, is a bit maddening to me! ๐Ÿ˜›

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  243. Maybe amazon could have an error and neither the DVD is coming.

    (I mean, it falsely had the Little House on the Prairie Season 7 BLuray up for pre-order but we all know it had been cancelled)

    My favourite version of Christmas Carol is the 1984 one, but if this 1951 one had a new better transfer maybe I'd get it..

  244. Konstantinos

    Maybe amazon could have an error and neither the DVD is coming.

    (I mean, it falsely had the Little House on the Prairie Season 7 BLuray up for pre-order but we all know it had been cancelled)

    My favourite version of Christmas Carol is the 1984 one, but if this 1951 one had a new better transfer maybe I'd get it..

    Hi Konstantinos!

    The way I see it, while making a mistake with one version format isn't uncommon, that Amazon would make a selective mistake in only removing one of the two media formats seems less likely to me.

    On another note, having been reminded that the release date is November 23, I find rather disheartening, as it leaves precious little margin for the SCROOGE (1951) Blu-ray to be released in time for THIS Christmas, and even less so for overseas orders being fulfilled in time for the 2015 Yuletide!

    Hopefully, Renown will before long, provide some clarification regarding the cause/s of the postponement of the Blu-ray version's issuing, and when/if such a release can be expected!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  245. Thanks for the update, Andrew. Much appreciated.

    Am I a customer? Sure. But as Tony says we need another DVD like we need another hole in the head…I think I could argue the same about another Blu release.

    I could be happy enough with the last Blu release. Is it perfect? No. But I'm not sure how many more of these I need to buy just to pick up a missing line of dialogue and such. I'm pretty happy with what I've got now.

    But we'll see what happens if that new Blu ever hits the streets… :biggrin:

  246. Mike Frezon

    Thanks for the update, Andrew. Much appreciated.

    Am I a customer? Sure. But as Tony says we need another DVD like we need another hole in the head…I think I could argue the same about another Blu release.

    I could be happy enough with the last Blu release. Is it perfect? No. But I'm not sure how many more of these I need to buy just to pick up a missing line of dialogue and such. I'm pretty happy with what I've got now.

    But we'll see what happens if that new Blu ever hits the streets… :biggrin:

    Hi Mike!

    I agree that anything shy of nearer to perfect than the VCI Blu-ray would be redundant!

    From what I recall, the issues with the 2012 VCI SCROOGE (Previous VCI releases had additional issues!), besides the missing bit of dialogue, are two brief instances of isolated video wiggle, plus jerky YouTube video like movements, when Blu-ray playback is set to 24 frames. Actually, I find that last one rather annoying, as I discovered that at least with my setup, changing over from the 24 frame display causes playback for some of the Bonus Features to have a jerky movement, so there is some trade off involved.

    For me, it's the fact that the company from which the definitive A CHRISTMAS CAROL sprang, is involved, has had me in hope of seeing an even better version. Hopefully, Renown Pictures can get the Blu-ray released eventually, especially seeing that the DVD is Region free.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  247. Mike Frezon

    I don't have any those video problems when I watch my copy of the '12 Christmas Carol.

    Hi Mike!

    My guess is that the playback issues only affect certain Blu-ray models, then. Just one more reason that Samsung bites when it comes to Blu-ray! ๐Ÿ˜›

    I'll have to check how it plays with my external Pioneer BD Burner setup!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    UPDATE: The jerky video playback doesn't appear to be an issue with the external Pioneer Blu-ray Burner.

    If I recall correctly, on our Samsung, the visuals for the Leonard Maltin intro would get jerky whenever highlights from SCROOGE was shown, when the playback setting was adjusted to avoid the same for the Main Feature, itself! Thankfully, this is not the case with the Pioneer Blu-ray Burner!

  248. Andrew Budgell

    I got another Tweet from Renown confirming that the DVD based on the 2K restoration will be released this year, and the Blu-ray at a later date TBA (my guess would be next Christmas).

    Hi Andrew!

    This goes with my prior speculation that Renown is presently lacking funds for Blu-ray replication, seeing that they have no other Blu-ray titles to date.

    It's very disappointing news, regardless of the reason/s for the delay, as I was looking forward to the reviews on this one! A PAL DVD release just isn't the same, in my book. Besides that, I find the 4% speedup aspect a bit irritating (Not to mention that our Samsung Blu-ray Player won't play PAL discs!), but that's just the perfectionist in me!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  249. WilliamMcK

    Thank you Tony for that information regarding the jerky video. I also have that problem (switching the player to 60kHz solves it)… but it's frustrating to know that it's a "Samsung thing"!

    Hi Biff!

    I wouldn't say that it's exclusive to Samsung, as I've read numerous other comments of others having the same problem with the 2012 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-ray! However, I've also read about others having issues with Samsung Blu-ray Players, in general.

    My biggest frustration with our Samsung Blu-ray Player however, is its incapability of playing PAL Discs! A big reason I chose Samsung to begin with, is because our Samsung DVD Player (Which, for other reasons, gets little use, by me at least!) DOES play PAL Discs, which caused me to ASSUME their Blu-ray Device would do the same! ๐Ÿ˜›

    It occurs to me that the jerky video issue for A CHRISTMAS CAROL quite possibly hinges on how/if frame rate settings for a given playback device auto adjusts accordingly! To me, this would explain why some experience this issue while others don't!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  250. Thanks for the further clarification Tony!

    ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony Bensley

    I wouldn't say that it's exclusive to Samsung, as I've read numerous other comments of others having the same problem with the 2012 A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-ray! However, I've also read about others having issues with Samsung Blu-ray Players, in general.

    It occurs to me that the jerky video issue for A CHRISTMAS CAROL quite possibly hinges on how/if frame rate settings for a given playback device auto adjusts accordingly! To me, this would explain why some experience this issue while others don't!

  251. noel aguirre

    There is a fluke near the end of the film when Scrooge awakens from the last ghost visit and looks in the mirror- you can see the director or cinematographer in the mirror's reflection!

    Hi Noel!

    Somebody actually reported this several pages back. I'm curious as to who made the original discovery, as it is quite a good spot! ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  252. WilliamMcK

    Thank you Tony for that information regarding the jerky video. I also have that problem (switching the player to 60kHz solves it)… but it's frustrating to know that it's a "Samsung thing"!

    Tony Bensley

    It occurs to me that the jerky video issue for A CHRISTMAS CAROL quite possibly hinges on how/if frame rate settings for a given playback device auto adjusts accordingly! To me, this would explain why some experience this issue while others don't!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    While I gave up on Samsung players awhile ago (the later models, IMO, simply aren't as good or as solid as their early players were) this seems odd to me. Jerkiness at 24fps shouldn't have anything to do with the player. I mean, 24fps either IS or it ISN'T, you know what I mean?

    In my experience, jerky playback is more likely related to the display you're using and how it responds to 24fps. I'm not sure what displays you're using, but are we sure they are capable of proper 24 frame playback? For flat panels, you need a minimum native refresh rate of 120hz (the lowest number that both 24 and 60 can evenly divide into) to play back 24fps with no pulldown. If not, switching 24fps "on" at the source (the player) simply switches the pulldown from being applied at the player to having it be applied at the display. A 60hz panel will never play 24fps the right way no matter the setting and some discs may look worse than others. Most players are better at pulldown than most displays so it may wind up making the picture worse. It can be tricky to tell as Samsung 60hz TV's, for example, used to show "24hz" on their info panels which fooled people into believing they were properly playing the frame rate but they weren't, they were simply identifying the SOURCE of the video feed.

    Just a thought, as I've never heard of a brand of player being better or worse at playing back 24fps as all blu-rays and most DVD's are already encoded that way. The player doesn't actually have to DO anything as turning "on" 24fps just tells the player to ignore the flags that would normally lead it to adding 2:3 pulldown. It actually does LESS work than playing back at 60hz.

    Do you turn on any frame interpolation? That will fuck up the movement onscreen like crazy, too.

  253. Will Krupp

    While I gave up on Samsung players awhile ago (the later models, IMO, simply aren't as good or as solid as their early players were) this seems odd to me. Jerkiness at 24fps shouldn't have anything to do with the player. I mean, 24fps either IS or it ISN'T, you know what I mean?

    In my experience, jerky playback is more likely related to the display you're using and how it responds to 24fps. I'm not sure what displays you're using, but are we sure they are capable of proper 24 frame playback? For flat panels, you need a minimum native refresh rate of 120hz (the lowest number that both 24 and 60 can evenly divide into) to play back 24fps with no pulldown. If not, switching 24fps "on" at the source (the player) simply switches the pulldown from being applied at the player to having it be applied at the display. A 60hz panel will never play 24fps the right way no matter the setting and some discs may look worse than others. Samsung 60hz TV's, for example, used to show "24hz" on their info panels which fooled people into believing they were properly playing the frame rate but they weren't, they were simply identifying the SOURCE of the video feed.

    Just a thought, as I've never heard of a brand of player being better or worse at playing back at 24fps as all blu-rays and most DVD's are already encoded that way. The player doesn't actually have to DO anything.

    Hi Will!

    I believe the overriding issue has to do with the SCROOGE VCI Blu-ray, itself.

    Insofar as Blu-ray Devices, I don't believe that I ever inferred that some were better or worse at 24 fps playback, but rather, that some players are better at auto switching between playback modes than others. In regards to our Samsung Blu-ray Player, I've lost count of how often I've had to change playback modes, plus make other adjustments to facilitate the best possible DVD-R playback! Frankly, I don't recall ever having to make so many necessary adjustments on any Video Disc Player we've ever had prior!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  254. Tony Bensley

    Insofar as Blu-ray Devices, I don't believe that I ever inferred that some were better or worse at 24 fps playback, but rather, that some players are better at auto switching between playback modes than others. In regards to our Samsung Blu-ray Player, I've lost count of how often I've had to change playback modes, plus make other adjustments to facilitate the best possible DVD-R playback! Frankly, I don't recall ever having to make so many necessary adjustments on any Video Disc Player we've ever had prior!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    I'm sorry Tony, I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about the ability of the Samsung player at 24fps. I guess I'm still confused as to what you mean by "auto switching between playback modes." Turning "on" 24fps tells the player to simply play whatever's on the disc "as is" and turns off all flags. If the source is encoded at 24fps it sends it to the display at 24fps and if the source is encoded at 60i it sends it at 60i so there still shouldn't be any switching that the player needs to handle. I guess I don't get what you mean :unsure:

    BTW, after my last Samsung player (and I mean that literally) I switched to a Sony player and (surprisingly) couldn't be happier. I still love Samsung TV's but I think the blu-ray players have turned into cheap junk. Put a new one on your Christmas list!!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  255. Tony Bensley

    Hi Noel!

    Somebody actually reported this several pages back. I'm curious as to who made the original discovery, as it is quite a good spot! ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    You can credit my wife if you'd like. She spotted that on a grainy television print back in the 70s or 80s! I'm sure others have noticed it along the way.

    Harry

  256. Will Krupp

    I'm sorry Tony, I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were talking about the ability of the Samsung player at 24fps. I guess I'm still confused as to what you mean by "auto switching between playback modes." Turning "on" 24fps tells the player to simply play whatever's on the disc "as is" and turns off all flags. If the source is encoded at 24fps it sends it to the display at 24fps and if the source is encoded at 60i it sends it at 60i so there still shouldn't be any switching that the player needs to handle. I guess I don't get what you mean :unsure:

    BTW, after my last Samsung player (and I mean that literally) I switched to a Sony player and (surprisingly) couldn't be happier. I still love Samsung TV's but I think the blu-ray players have turned into cheap junk. Put a new one on your Christmas list!!! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Hi Will!

    All I know for certain is when I changeover from the 24 frame setting on the Samsung Blu-ray Player, as some others who have encountered playback issues with the A CHRISTMAS CAROL VCI Blu-ray, the visual movements become smooth for the Main Feature. However, in my case, some of the Bonus Features will then have jerky visual movements, instead! However, some devices, such as my Pioneer Blu-ray Burner playback the Main Feature AND Bonus Features just fine, without my having to make ANY adjustments.

    In my opinion, the important aspect, is that the jerky video playback for the aforementioned Blu-ray is DEFINITELY an issue for SOME consumers, and with SOME playback devices!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  257. Just to be clear… I have a Samsung blu-ray player and a Samsung HDTV… there have only been two blu-rays that do not play properly when the player is in the 24fps mode: VCI's A CHRISTMAS CAROL and TCM's first issue of LADY FROM SHANGHAI. My set is 24fps capable and all other blu-rays play properly (and I don't have to manually switch to 60fps for DVDs or the occasional blu-ray that isn't at 24fps… such as Criterion's PHANTOM CARRIAGE or Fox's Todd-AO OKLAHOMA!).

  258. WilliamMcK

    Just to be clear… I have a Samsung blu-ray player and a Samsung HDTV… there have only been two blu-rays that do not play properly when the player is in the 24fps mode: VCI's A CHRISTMAS CAROL and TCM's first issue of LADY FROM SHANGHAI. My set is 24fps capable and all other blu-rays play properly (and I don't have to manually switch to 60fps for DVDs or the occasional blu-ray that isn't at 24fps… such as Criterion's PHANTOM CARRIAGE or Fox's Todd-AO OKLAHOMA!).

    That's so ODD (no offense!)

    The first guess would be an encoding error on the disc itself but then the issue should be widespread.

    Is your TV 120hz then? Do the Samsung blu-ray players have a 24fps option now for DVD's (just out of curiosity?) My last one didn't.

    I love my Samsung TV, though.

  259. Will Krupp

    That's so ODD (no offense!)

    The first guess would be an encoding error on the disc itself but then the issue should be widespread.

    Is your TV 120hz then? Do the Samsung blu-ray players have a 24fps option now for DVD's (just out of curiosity?) My last one didn't.

    I love my Samsung TV, though.

    Hi Will!

    I can say that our Samsung Blu-ray Player's 24 fps setting also covers the DVD format, at least I THINK so!

    The problem is, I can't access it at the moment, as our attached 32 inch Toshiba 16×9 LCD Flat Screen is currently being used! I am 99% certain of the above, and will amend my post if I discover otherwise once I get to double check this feature!

    Insofar as the encoding error causing jerky video playback, I've read posts on various Forums by a number of people complaining about it for the A CHRISTMAS CAROL VCI Blu-ray. Thus, I'd say that the issue is fairly widespread, but is one that is somewhat hidden by the fact the undesirable results don't present themselves on ALL playback devices, but only on some!

    Please kindly pardon my ignorance, but don't all North American Based TV's have the same hz designation? I thought that would be standard!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    UPDATE: Here's a screenshot of our Samsung Blu-ray display options, confirming that the Movie Frame feature isn't limited to just Blu-ray:

    View attachment 23476

    It's when the above is set to "Auto" that the VCI Blu-ray of A CHRISTMAS CAROL Feature Film's playback is jerky; whereas, when set to "Off", clips from the Film that play within the Bonus Features become jerky, instead! ๐Ÿ˜›

  260. Tony Bensley

    Please kindly pardon my ignorance, but don't all North American Based TV's have the same hz designation? I thought that would be standard!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Up until less than ten years ago, all North American TV's "refreshed" at a rate of 60hz per second (tied to our electrical cycles.) While LCD/LED HDTV's are still based on the 60hz model, they now offer higher refresh rates in multiples of 60, There are 60hz, 120hz, 240hz and even 480hz (though I suspect at least the highest one is achieved only by means of frame interpolation and I'm not sure what gains are really made by the top two rates as it seems like overkill.) 120hz is the minimum native refresh rate (without frame interpolation) that is required for a panel to display 24fps AT 24fps. Since there is no mathematical way that 24fps can divide evenly in to 60hz, the 60hz panel can only display 24fps material with pulldown added either at the player or at the display itself. At a constant refresh rate of 120, 30fps material is flashed four times per second and 24fps material is flashed five times per second (a simplification but you get my drift.) The numbers divide evenly. 60hz panels are never 24fps capable, regardless of what you send to it.

  261. Tony Bensley

    UPDATE: Here's a screenshot of our Samsung Blu-ray display options, confirming that the Movie Frame feature isn't limited to just Blu-ray:

    [​IMG]PIC_0780.JPG

    It's when the above is set to "Auto" that the VCI Blu-ray of A CHRISTMAS CAROL Feature Film's playback is jerky; whereas, when set to "Off", clips from the Film that play within the Bonus Features become jerky, instead! ๐Ÿ˜›

    That LOOKS like the menu from my old, much missed Samsung (that I loved) player but that old "movie mode" WAS limited to blu-ray material. Yours may be different but, until at least last year, I don't think Samsung players supported 24fps for DVD.

  262. Being for the benefit of those proud custodians of VCI Entertainment's A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-ray who have experienced an unfortunate series of visual playback issues (Jerky movements that appear to be mostly limited to the Main Feature, and clips from it within the Extras!), I have prepared a list of all of the Disc's Features, with the required Movie Frame (24 Fs) setting ("Auto" or "Off") for optimal playback.

    Anyone not affected by the above can either blissfully ignore this list, or else keep it as a handy reference, should the need for it unexpectedly arise!

    A CHRISTMAS CAROL – Main Feature (Off)

    (The accompanying Leonard Maltin Intro is unaffected by either setting! It plays wonderfully, either way!)

    Extras:

    The Darker Side Of A Classic (Off)

    Distributing 'A Christmas Carol' (Auto)

    Life And Films Of Brian Desmond Hurst (Off)

    Too Good To Be Shown Only At Christmas (Off)

    Scrooge (Silent) (Auto or Off)

    Bleak House (Silent)* (Off)

    Original British Theatrical Trailer (Off)

    American Trailer (Off)

    Scrooge Revisited (Off)

    * Though no clips from the 1951 Feature are included in this Extra, jerky visual playback appears to be an issue under the "Auto" setting!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  263. Will Krupp

    That LOOKS like the menu from my old, much missed Samsung (that I loved) player but that old "movie mode" WAS limited to blu-ray material. Yours may be different but, until at least last year, I don't think Samsung players supported 24fps for DVD.

    Hi Will!

    I recall having used it for some DVD-R's awhile back, as I ran into some really funky playback issues where the audio would cut out every 30 seconds (Sounds like an audio setting issue, but I believe it was somehow tied to the frame rate?), or something like that!

    Needless to say, I haven't found Samsung Players to be the most user friendly devices in the world, and they do require a bit of hands on–OK for me, but not for my wife! ๐Ÿ˜›

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  264. Tony Bensley

    Needless to say, I haven't found Samsung Players to be the most user friendly devices in the world, and they do require a bit of hands on–OK for me, but not for my wife! ๐Ÿ˜›

    Dump it and get a Sony! New players are cheap and they can do so much more than the old ones could! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  265. Will Krupp

    Dump it and get a Sony! New players are cheap and they can do so much more than the old ones could! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Hi Will!

    Despite the minor annoyances, I can't justify replacing the Samsung Blu-ray Player at present. Most Discs actually play on it just fine–There's just the odd one that's a bit problematic, like the SCROOGE VCI Blu-ray. Besides, I have an external Pioneer Blu-ray Burner for my PC, that I can use as backup. I'm really thankful for that device!

    When the Samsung starts showing signs of conking out, I'll shop around for something new, then.

    Thanks for the tip, nevertheless!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  266. I love this post!!! ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

    davidmatychuk

    Here how I rate a Blu-Ray player, in one easy step:

    1. It must play VCI's "A Christmas Carol" Blu-Ray properly.

    My rating system for VHS, laserdisc, and DVD players is remarkably similar.

  267. Andrew Budgell

    Updated Renown DVD cover art:

    [​IMG]

    Hi Andrew!

    But Renown still has Hermione's surname "Badly" (It should be Baddeley, NOT Badaley!) misspelled! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    It's very disappointing that we're not getting the Blu-ray THIS Christmas! Hopefully, the sales for the DVD will help Renown to finally begin Blu-ray replication (I'm just assuming that's the issue!), but I'm not interested in PAL formatted versions (Not to mention the colorization!) of this title at this point, with the close enough to perfect VCI Blu-ray!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  268. Will Krupp

    Dump it and get a Sony! New players are cheap and they can do so much more than the old ones could! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I have the screen jump issues on a Sony Blu-ray player (not a new one; I think I got it in 2008). I'll have to check the menus at some point to see if I can change this setting.

  269. Marvin

    I have the screen jump issues on a Sony Blu-ray player (not a new one; I think I got it in 2008). I'll have to check the menus at some point to see if I can change this setting.

    Since not everyone gets the same effect, I still suspect the issues are display and not player related.

  270. Will Krupp

    While I gave up on Samsung players awhile ago (the later models, IMO, simply aren't as good or as solid as their early players were) this seems odd to me. Jerkiness at 24fps shouldn't have anything to do with the player. I mean, 24fps either IS or it ISN'T, you know what I mean?

    In my experience, jerky playback is more likely related to the display you're using and how it responds to 24fps. I'm not sure what displays you're using, but are we sure they are capable of proper 24 frame playback? For flat panels, you need a minimum native refresh rate of 120hz (the lowest number that both 24 and 60 can evenly divide into) to play back 24fps with no pulldown. If not, switching 24fps "on" at the source (the player) simply switches the pulldown from being applied at the player to having it be applied at the display. A 60hz panel will never play 24fps the right way no matter the setting and some discs may look worse than others. Most players are better at pulldown than most displays so it may wind up making the picture worse. It can be tricky to tell as Samsung 60hz TV's, for example, used to show "24hz" on their info panels which fooled people into believing they were properly playing the frame rate but they weren't, they were simply identifying the SOURCE of the video feed.

    Just a thought, as I've never heard of a brand of player being better or worse at playing back 24fps as all blu-rays and most DVD's are already encoded that way. The player doesn't actually have to DO anything as turning "on" 24fps just tells the player to ignore the flags that would normally lead it to adding 2:3 pulldown. It actually does LESS work than playing back at 60hz.

    Do you turn on any frame interpolation? That will fuck up the movement onscreen like crazy, too.

    Hi Will!

    Upon checking the specs of our Toshiba Flat Screen, it turns out the refresh rate is 60hz, NOT 120hz! ๐Ÿ˜›

    That said, for me this still doesn't explain why the VCI Entertainment A CHRISTMAS CAROL is the only Blu-ray I've had the jerky visual issue with, other than that there must also be something relating to the encoding of its various Features! Otherwise, why is it that while I need to have the Movie Frame (24Fs) mode set to "Off" for the Main Feature and most of the BD Extras, one of them actually requires the "Auto" setting to avoid jerky visual movement? I'd say the Disc encoding is at least, partly to blame!

    For what it's worth, the same Extra (Distributing 'A Christmas Carol') that requires the Movie Frame "Auto" setting on our Samsung Blu-ray Player for proper playback on our 60hz 32 inch 720p Toshiba LCD Flat Screen, is also the one Extra with the jerky visual playback when viewing via the 60hz display on my Acer Laptop. Thus, that would appear to be the other culprit behind the jerky visuals!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    P.S. Having checked within the related Picture / Display settings for our TV and Blu-ray Player, I found nothing that relates to frame interpolation. Thus I believe that can be ruled out, in my case!

  271. Is a Blu-ray definitely coming? Is this simply a DVD master due to costs, and would not be good enough for BD? Is Blu-ray replication really the problem here? I get the feeling that Renown was told more work and cost would be needed for a Blu-ray master and cold feet prevailed. We know how expensive it is getting to deliver an acceptable BD master with all the improving technology.

  272. Dr Griffin

    Is a Blu-ray definitely coming? Is this simply a DVD master due to costs, and would not be good enough for BD? Is Blu-ray replication really the problem here? I get the feeling that Renown was told more work and cost would be needed for a Blu-ray master and cold feet prevailed. We know how expensive it is getting to deliver an acceptable BD master with all the improving technology.

    Hi Stanley!

    Being that the DVD cover indicates a "Fully restored 2K transfer from the original film elements", I think it's fair to state that the lack of an acceptable Blu-ray master is NOT the issue, here!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  273. Dr Griffin

    Is a Blu-ray definitely coming? Is this simply a DVD master due to costs, and would not be good enough for BD? Is Blu-ray replication really the problem here? I get the feeling that Renown was told more work and cost would be needed for a Blu-ray master and cold feet prevailed. We know how expensive it is getting to deliver an acceptable BD master with all the improving technology.

    Yes, Renown assured me that the Blu-ray is still coming, it's just been postponed to a date TBA. Unfortunately we don't know what the hold up is, but Scrooge will be their first Blu-ray.

  274. Marvin

    I have the screen jump issues on a Sony Blu-ray player (not a new one; I think I got it in 2008). I'll have to check the menus at some point to see if I can change this setting.

    Hi Marvin!

    Besides the VCI Blu-ray itself, it appears the common denominator is a TV/Monitor with a 60hz refresh rate, or at least a refresh rate that's not divisible by 24 frames per second. You might want to check your TV Model's specs to see whether this applies in your case, though frankly, I'd be surprised if it doesn't!

    This finding is actually a bit of a bummer for me, as it would have been much less expensive to replace the Blu-ray Player than our TV, which is unfortunately not an option, at present!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  275. Tony Bensley

    Being for the benefit of those proud custodians of VCI Entertainment's A CHRISTMAS CAROL Blu-ray who have experienced an unfortunate series of visual playback issues (Jerky movements that appear to be mostly limited to the Main Feature, and clips from it within the Extras!), I have prepared a list of all of the Disc's Features, with the required Movie Frame (24 Fs) setting ("Auto" or "Off") for optimal playback.

    Anyone not affected by the above can either blissfully ignore this list, or else keep it as a handy reference, should the need for it unexpectedly arise!

    A CHRISTMAS CAROL – Main Feature (Off)

    (The accompanying Leonard Maltin Intro is unaffected by either setting! It plays wonderfully, either way!)

    Extras:

    The Darker Side Of A Classic (Off)

    Distributing 'A Christmas Carol' (Auto)

    Life And Films Of Brian Desmond Hurst (Off)

    Too Good To Be Shown Only At Christmas (Off)

    Scrooge (Silent) (Auto or Off)

    Bleak House (Silent)* (Off)

    Original British Theatrical Trailer (Off)

    American Trailer (Off)

    Scrooge Revisited (Off)

    * Though no clips from the 1951 Feature are included in this Extra, jerky visual playback appears to be an issue under the "Auto" setting!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    With a newish Blu-ray player (Sony-5500) and a newish TV Sony 32 R330, I thought I'd experiment with this disc. I have the Diamond Edition Blu-ray. The TV is a low-end model for use in the den, and the Blu-ray player is a mid-line model to provide some smart-tv type streaming functions.

    I'm pretty sure the TV is just a 60hz model: http://www.kisselectronicsnyc.com/TV-and-Video-Televisions/c28_208/p2527/Sony-KDL32R330B-32-Inch-720p-60Hz-LED-TV/product_info.html

    With all of the Blu-ray player's 24p settings set to "Auto" (and there are four of them, Blu-ray ROM, DVD-ROM, Data-ROM, and Streaming-ROM), the Diamond Edition SCROOGE plays perfectly fine. It looks normal and film-like. The weird thing is that Leonard Maltin's open looks a little bit jerky in his head motions. And all of the extras that have modern elements look a little jerky, yet the film clips all look smooth as silk.

    That second extra ('Distributing') is the reverse. The modern elements look OK, but the beginning film elements are jerky – but it also looks like that segment of Scrooge dancing is slowed down a bit.

    I don't really care all that much. Most of the stuff is watchable – and the film looks really great, maybe for the first time ever.

    My point in mentioning this is that I did dig the Blu-ray out to check it against Tony's stories, and thought it odd that things seemed backwards from the way he was reporting it (I think! It's a confusing scenario at best!). And that this might provide a bit more evidence that there's something odd about the encoding of this disc. I'm no expert in trying to figure this out.

    By the way, my Sony Blu-ray player has three settings (Auto, On, Off) for each of the four 24p settings. I didn't take the time to check each of the many extras with all three settings. Like I said, the film plays like a film and that's all I need. If anyone desires a specific extra or scene within an extra at a particular setting, let me know.

    My experience with Samsung was not good. This TV actually replaced a Christmas-gift Samsung that had (oddly!) jerky motion on standard-def TV channels. The Sony (my longtime favorite brand) exhibits no such anomaly. The Samsung experience left a bad taste in my mouth.

    Harry

  276. Tony Bensley

    Hi Marvin!

    Besides the VCI Blu-ray itself, it appears the common denominator is a TV/Monitor with a 60hz refresh rate, or at least a refresh rate that's not divisible by 24 frames per second. You might want to check your TV Model's specs to see whether this applies in your case, though frankly, I'd be surprised if it doesn't!

    This finding is actually a bit of a bummer for me, as it would have been much less expensive to replace the Blu-ray Player than our TV, which is unfortunately not an option, at present!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    It's an old RPTV (Toshiba 50H72) and the manual doesn't list a refresh rate. In any case, I was planning on replacing this set with a newer one within the next month or so, so maybe the problem will go away.

    Edit: I see now that there's a "cinema mode" option that can be set to "film" or "video". It's on the default "film" setting. I suppose I can play with this if I still have this set the next time I watch the movie.

  277. Harry-N

    With a newish Blu-ray player (Sony-5500) and a newish TV Sony 32 R330, I thought I'd experiment with this disc. I have the Diamond Edition Blu-ray. The TV is a low-end model for use in the den, and the Blu-ray player is a mid-line model to provide some smart-tv type streaming functions.

    I'm pretty sure the TV is just a 60hz model: http://www.kisselectronicsnyc.com/TV-and-Video-Televisions/c28_208/p2527/Sony-KDL32R330B-32-Inch-720p-60Hz-LED-TV/product_info.html

    With all of the Blu-ray player's 24p settings set to "Auto" (and there are four of them, Blu-ray ROM, DVD-ROM, Data-ROM, and Streaming-ROM), the Diamond Edition SCROOGE plays perfectly fine. It looks normal and film-like. The weird thing is that Leonard Maltin's open looks a little bit jerky in his head motions. And all of the extras that have modern elements look a little jerky, yet the film clips all look smooth as silk.

    That second extra ('Distributing') is the reverse. The modern elements look OK, but the beginning film elements are jerky – but it also looks like that segment of Scrooge dancing is slowed down a bit.

    I don't really care all that much. Most of the stuff is watchable – and the film looks really great, maybe for the first time ever.

    My point in mentioning this is that I did dig the Blu-ray out to check it against Tony's stories, and thought it odd that things seemed backwards from the way he was reporting it (I think! It's a confusing scenario at best!). And that this might provide a bit more evidence that there's something odd about the encoding of this disc. I'm no expert in trying to figure this out.

    By the way, my Sony Blu-ray player has three settings (Auto, On, Off) for each of the four 24p settings. I didn't take the time to check each of the many extras with all three settings. Like I said, the film plays like a film and that's all I need. If anyone desires a specific extra or scene within an extra at a particular setting, let me know.

    My experience with Samsung was not good. This TV actually replaced a Christmas-gift Samsung that had (oddly!) jerky motion on standard-def TV channels. The Sony (my longtime favorite brand) exhibits no such anomaly. The Samsung experience left a bad taste in my mouth.

    Harry

    Hi Harry!

    I thought I had encountered jerky motions with Leonard Maltin's head when I viewed this last year, yet his segment played just fine with both settings this time around!

    Unlike your Sony Blu-ray Player, with its On, Off and Auto settings, our Samsung is limited to the last 2 settings.

    To me, the point seems to be that with a 60hz Monitor, due in part to Disc encoding issues, there's going to be some visual trade offs, regardless of whatever Display setting is chosen within the Blu-ray Player GUI.

    When viewing the Extras in their entirety last Christmas, I do recall encountering some issues with jerky visuals during a few of the modern segments, though I believe it was much more frequent during the SCROOGE 51' film clips! In assembling my list, I only checked parts of each of the Extras, along with the Leonard Maltin Intro and Main Feature, of course!

    Damn 60hz TV / Monitors! ๐Ÿ˜›

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  278. Marvin

    It's an old RPTV (Toshiba 50H72) and the manual doesn't list a refresh rate. In any case, I was planning on replacing this set with a newer one within the next month or so, so maybe the problem will go away.

    Hi Marvin!

    Though the online manuals don't list it as such, due to the age of your set, I think your refresh rate is most likely 60hz.

    If I were in your enviable position, I'd be looking specifically for the 120hz spec, especially as the 60hz setup is proving to be a bit of a Humbug! ๐Ÿ˜›

    Good luck!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  279. Tony Bensley

    Hi Marvin!

    Though the online manuals don't list it as such, due to the age of your set, I think your refresh rate is most likely 60hz.

    If I were in your enviable position, I'd be looking specifically for the 120hz spec, especially as the 60hz setup is proving to be a bit of a Humbug! ๐Ÿ˜›

    Good luck!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    The ghost of "TV sets yet to come" has confirmed my likely next set is indeed 120hz!

  280. Harry-N

    With a newish Blu-ray player (Sony-5500) and a newish TV Sony 32 R330, I thought I'd experiment with this disc. I have the Diamond Edition Blu-ray. The TV is a low-end model for use in the den, and the Blu-ray player is a mid-line model to provide some smart-tv type streaming functions.

    I'm pretty sure the TV is just a 60hz model: http://www.kisselectronicsnyc.com/TV-and-Video-Televisions/c28_208/p2527/Sony-KDL32R330B-32-Inch-720p-60Hz-LED-TV/product_info.html

    With all of the Blu-ray player's 24p settings set to "Auto" (and there are four of them, Blu-ray ROM, DVD-ROM, Data-ROM, and Streaming-ROM), the Diamond Edition SCROOGE plays perfectly fine. It looks normal and film-like. The weird thing is that Leonard Maltin's open looks a little bit jerky in his head motions. And all of the extras that have modern elements look a little jerky, yet the film clips all look smooth as silk.

    That second extra ('Distributing') is the reverse. The modern elements look OK, but the beginning film elements are jerky – but it also looks like that segment of Scrooge dancing is slowed down a bit.

    I don't really care all that much. Most of the stuff is watchable – and the film looks really great, maybe for the first time ever.

    My point in mentioning this is that I did dig the Blu-ray out to check it against Tony's stories, and thought it odd that things seemed backwards from the way he was reporting it (I think! It's a confusing scenario at best!). And that this might provide a bit more evidence that there's something odd about the encoding of this disc. I'm no expert in trying to figure this out.

    By the way, my Sony Blu-ray player has three settings (Auto, On, Off) for each of the four 24p settings. I didn't take the time to check each of the many extras with all three settings. Like I said, the film plays like a film and that's all I need. If anyone desires a specific extra or scene within an extra at a particular setting, let me know.

    My experience with Samsung was not good. This TV actually replaced a Christmas-gift Samsung that had (oddly!) jerky motion on standard-def TV channels. The Sony (my longtime favorite brand) exhibits no such anomaly. The Samsung experience left a bad taste in my mouth.

    Harry

    Well done, Harry. This is the level of in-depth "A Christmas Carol" Blu-Ray research that we pride ourselves on here at
    The Definitive A CHRISTMAS CAROL (1951): Starring Alastair Sim

    No Ebenezer Scrooge tombstone left unturned!

  281. Marvin

    The ghost of "TV sets yet to come" has confirmed my likely next set is indeed 120hz!

    Just make sure you do online research first to make sure whichever one you get is a "native" 120hz panel (very important!) as manufacturers aren't always forthcoming with that info.

  282. Love your cover art, Dave! Your tagline for Mrs. Dilber's included "FOR REACHING IT OUT" line had me in stitches! ๐Ÿ™‚

    However, realistically speaking, I think we'll be lucky if Renown corrects poor Hermione's "Badly" misspelled surname for their Blu-ray release, whenever that hits the streets! ๐Ÿ˜›

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  283. davidmatychuk

    Here's the cover art I'm hoping for:

    [​IMG]PERFECTSCROOGE.jpg

    Industry sources report that Sir Anthony Hopkins – who mimics Kathleen Harrison's (Mrs Dilber) voice perfectly – has agreed to dub her missing line for the long-anticipated RAH 4K restoration.

    In other reports, studio insiders are quietly confident that the 4K UHD disc of A Christmas Carol will restore consumer faith in the much-maligned format… as well as faith generally.

  284. Mysteries Of SCROOGE: A CHRISTMAS CAROL #1951-01:

    Why the newest and brightest Blu-ray version of SCROOGE '51 by VCI doesn't include Mrs. Dilber's "For reaching it out" dialogue, even though the much older, not quite as bright Emerald Edition DVD does?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  285. Tony Bensley

    Mysteries Of SCROOGE: A CHRISTMAS CAROL #1951-01:

    Why the newest and brightest Blu-ray version of SCROOGE '51 by VCI doesn't include Mrs. Dilber's "For reaching it out" dialogue, even though the much older, not quite as bright Emerald Edition DVD does?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Because every year at Christmas we need to wish for something?

  286. davidmatychuk

    Okay, it was released on November 2, 2015. It's a DVD + Blu-Ray. It's from Renown. I AM ORDERING THIS. Please have post-disappointment blankets and a stiff drink prepared, my friends.

    http://www.moviemail.com/film/dvd+blu-ray/Scrooge/?tag=224

    Don't get too excited, guys. I was told by Renown via Twitter last month that this had been postponed and the 2K restoration would only be made available on DVD this year and the Blu-ray was TBA at a later date. Against my better judgement I got excited when I saw that it was in stock at Movie Mail and placed an order on November 2nd. Ever since then my order status has been showing up as being on back order and shipping in 5-7 days. Zavvi took down their preorder listing for this a few weeks back. Hopefully we'll see the Renown Blu-ray next year.

  287. While youse guys wait on Renown…

    I picked this up at a local store (FYE) for just $8.99 ($9.99 minus 10% Backstage Pass discount).

    [​IMG]

    Since Crawdaddy watched the '51 version last year, I decided I should give equal time to his favorite, and watch the '38 version, this year. I haven't seen it since I was very young.

  288. Andrew Budgell

    Don't get too excited, guys. I was told by Renown via Twitter last month that this had been postponed and the 2K restoration would only be made available on DVD this year and the Blu-ray was TBA at a later date. Against my better judgement I got excited when I saw that it was in stock at Movie Mail and placed an order on November 2nd. Ever since then my order status has been showing up as being on back order and shipping in 5-7 days. Zavvi took down their preorder listing for this a few weeks back. Hopefully we'll see the Renown Blu-ray next year.

    So what about this DVD, also with a November 2, 2015 release date? Is that the one that's actually going to be available?

  289. davidmatychuk

    So what about this DVD, also with a November 2, 2015 release date? Is that the one that's actually going to be available?

    Amazon UK is showing that as having a November 23 release date. I've preordered it. I have the VCI Blu-ray, of course, but actually lost it (don't ask! lol). So instead of replacing it this year I'll check out the new Renown DVD.

  290. Andrew Budgell

    I have the VCI Blu-ray, of course, but actually lost it (don't ask! lol). So instead of replacing it this year I'll check out the new Renown DVD.

    You just want to beat my record of how many times we've purchased this title, Andrew! :biggrin:

  291. Andrew Budgell

    Amazon UK is showing that as having a November 23 release date. I've preordered it. I have the VCI Blu-ray, of course, but actually lost it (don't ask! lol). So instead of replacing it this year I'll check out the new Renown DVD.

    I just think the hope and lure "For Reaching It Out" is just too powerful a temptation to resist! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Speaking of which, it appears a certain "Renowned" item has just reentered my Christmas wish radar!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  292. Mike Frezon

    You just want to beat my record of how many times we've purchased this title, Andrew! :biggrin:

    ๐Ÿ˜€ Too funny, Mike! Over the years I've bought the VHS, the first VCI DVD (B&W/colourized), the Emerald Edition DVD, the VCI restored DVD, the 60th anniversary VCI Blu-ray, and now I've got the Renown 2K restoration DVD on pre-order. I guess that's 6 copies of the film. We Scrooge fans should probably be committed! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    [​IMG]

  293. Mike Frezon

    You just want to beat my record of how many times we've purchased this title, Andrew! :biggrin:

    Hang on, here. I'm putting my cards on the table. I bought two VHS versions and a laserdisc before there were DVD's, followed by 2 single DVD's, one 2-DVD set, and 3 Blu-Rays. Take that, Frezziwig!

  294. I started with a VHS recording off TV. My older brother bought one of those behemoth early players around 1979. I remember it had all these little sliding switches on the back for fine tuning TV reception, and it was a huge pain to set up with antenna reception. I can't remember the last time I saw it on TV, it's been a while. I think we had a Goodtimes Video VHS version, or the equivalent. Then probably started with the VCI DVDs. I still have the 2 DVD set with the tilt and scan widescreen version, followed by the first two Blu-rays. I still don't have the last VCI release. I know I gave one of the single DVDs to my nephew years ago.

  295. Yep. Lots of versions have passed through these hands. Let's see:

    – Taped version from Philly's independent WPHL, channel 17. It had commercials which I manually edited out, leaving blips.

    – Taped version from Philly's PBS WHYY, channel 12. It was commercial-free, but was an awful print.

    – Purchased version of VHS tape. I've forgotten the company, but it was a miserable print.

    – Another purchased VHS tape, this one from VCI. Still a pretty bad print.

    – Taped colorized version from Philly's channel 17. This, like all colorized versions, started with the Patrick Macnee intro. Commercials had to be edited out, leaving blips.

    – Purchased colorized version on VHS tape. The colorized versions were always brighter, but looked washed out.

    – LaserDisc arrives – hurrah! (Except this print was so bad as to be unwatchable. Sound noise-reduction was so severe that the music track often disappeared entirely!)

    – Early DVD purchase from VCI. Better than the LaserDisc, but not by much. At least the music soundtrack was audible!

    – 2007 multi-version "restored" DVD. Had three versions of the '51 film: Restored B&W, Restored 16:9 crop, and Colorized version. This is the first time it looked like any actual restoration work had been done on the film. Still, it was a hodge-podge of prints strung together. The scene of the Cratchit's dinner is choppy in quality. One moment it looked like this:

    View attachment 24388

    After Cratchit sits down, the print changes to this:

    View attachment 24389

    …decidedly less detail and cropped more.

    This edition had the 16:9 crop which was no different than switching your TV into "Zoom" mode. But this one was encouraging – it at least tried to improve on what we'd had all the prior years. I almost felt that it probably couldn't get any better than this. But I was wrong.

    – Blu-ray came into being, and I was a not-first adopter, so a version of SCROOGE came and went on the new format. Reviews I've read indicated that it was a little better than the last DVD, but not a huge improvement. Then came the Diamond Edition from VCI on Blu-ray. That one I bought. And I've been very impressed with its picture and sound quality. It's been reported that there are still some issues that people have, like floorboards that seem to move around by themselves, a tiny missing bit of dialog, and pictures that jump when scenes change. I find those exceedingly minor issues and am happy to consider this the best there can be – until it's proven that something better has come along!

    Harry

  296. I remember one of the early VCI DVDs had the claim that it was complete from best elements or something, and it tuned out to be the same TV edit version with some scenes cutting off early. I sent VCI a slightly scathing email and implored them to give us something better and actually as complete as possible. They simply replied that if I was unhappy, I could return it to the vendor. But, it wasn't too long after (maybe a couple years) that the first scan from the 35mm elements, not some video master, appeared.

  297. Brad here: OK all you jokers on Amazon and HTF have done it again as I have purchased the VCI Blu of this version if "A Christmas Carol" to go with the George C. Scott version I just got.

    Looks like this package includes both the B&W and colorized editions.
    Looking forward to a joyous Christmas Season of Movies.

    ( though I do wonder if the coming 4K restored version (being done by RAH from what I've read here) will include a colorized edition as well)?

  298. Kyrsten Brad

    Brad here: OK all you jokers on Amazon and HTF have done it again as I have purchased the VCI Blu of this version if "A Christmas Carol" to go with the George C. Scott version I just got.

    Looks like this package includes both the B&W and colorized editions.
    Looking forward to a joyous Christmas Season of Movies.

    ( though I do wonder if the coming 4K restored version (being done by RAH from what I've read here) will include a colorized edition as well)?

    Hi Brad!

    Perhaps I missed something, but this is the first that I recall reading of any Robert A. Harris involvement with THE Definitive Alastair Sim Scrooge!

    If this is so, it's certainly a HUGE game changer for me, though I'll be waiting for the Blu-ray release!

    One other thing. I might be mistaken in this, but I find it difficult to imagine RAH being involved with any project that includes the colorization process, especially with a Film that's so notable for its marvelous Black & White cinematography! This is just an observation with no intended disrespect either way.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  299. Tony Bensley

    Hi Brad!

    Perhaps I missed something, but this is the first that I recall reading of any Robert A. Harris involvement with THE Definitive Alastair Sim Scrooge!

    If this is so, it's certainly a HUGE game changer for me, though I'll be waiting for the Blu-ray release!

    One other thing. I might be mistaken in this, but I find it difficult to imagine RAH being involved with any project that includes the colorization process, especially with a Film that's so notable for its marvelous Black & White cinematography! This is just an observation with no intended disrespect either way.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    I'm going thru this thread page by page to get caught up and find the exact posting mentioning possible RAH involvement. I know I saw it.
    You are correct in saying that RAH would not be involved in any colorization. I was referring to the existing colorized version.

    And no, I've never seen a UFO.

  300. Kyrsten Brad

    I'm going thru this thread page by page to get caught up and find the exact posting mentioning possible RAH involvement. I know I saw it.

    And no, I've never seen a UFO.

    I thought you were joking. If this isn't a joke, I will eat whatever hats Koroush can't finish over at the UHD thread.

  301. Kyrsten Brad

    I'm going thru this thread page by page to get caught up and find the exact posting mentioning possible RAH involvement. I know I saw it.
    You are correct in saying that RAH would not be involved in any colorization. I was referring to the existing colorized version.

    And no, I've never seen a UFO.

    Hi Brad!

    I've no doubt that you read something at least mentioning possible (I think that may be the key word, here?) Robert A Harris involvement. If so, whether or not it's with the 2k restoration for Renown Pictures might be another key.

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  302. RMajidi

    Industry sources report that Sir Anthony Hopkins – who mimics Kathleen Harrison's (Mrs Dilber) voice perfectly – has agreed to dub her missing line for the long-anticipated RAH 4K restoration.

    In other reports, studio insiders are quietly confident that the 4K UHD disc of A Christmas Carol will restore consumer faith in the much-maligned format… as well as faith generally.

    Here's the quote on RAH involvement.

  303. RMajidi, on 24 Oct 2015 – 10:41 PM, said:[​IMG]

    RMajidi

    Industry sources report that Sir Anthony Hopkins – who mimics Kathleen Harrison's (Mrs Dilber) voice perfectly – has agreed to dub her missing line for the long-anticipated RAH 4K restoration.

    In other reports, studio insiders are quietly confident that the 4K UHD disc of A Christmas Carol will restore consumer faith in the much-maligned format… as well as faith generally.

    I'm sorry, but the above just smacks so hard of being a joke, as much as I wish it were otherwise! ๐Ÿ˜›

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  304. RMajidi

    Industry sources report that Sir Anthony Hopkins – who mimics Kathleen Harrison's (Mrs Dilber) voice perfectly – has agreed to dub her missing line for the long-anticipated RAH 4K restoration.

    In other reports, studio insiders are quietly confident that the 4K UHD disc of A Christmas Carol will restore consumer faith in the much-maligned format… as well as faith generally.

    Kyrsten Brad

    Here's the quote on RAH involvement.

    Tony Bensley

    RMajidi, on 24 Oct 2015 – 10:41 PM, said:[​IMG]

    I'm sorry, but the above just smacks so hard of being a joke, as much as I wish it were otherwise! ๐Ÿ˜›

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Dr Griffin

    And it will continue to be long-anticipated.

    For reaching it out loud! Please forgive my clumsy miscommunication and permit me to rephrase:

    Industry sources report that Sir Anthony Hopkins – who mimics Kathleen Harrison's (Mrs Dilber) voice perfectly ๐Ÿ˜‰ – has agreed to dub her missing line for the long-anticipated RAH 4K restoration. ๐Ÿ™‚

    In other reports, studio insiders are quietly confident that the 4K UHD disc of A Christmas Carol will restore consumer faith in the much-maligned format… as well as faith generally. ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜€ :biggrin:

    [It's all David's fault, you know – malicious trouble-maker:

    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/334982-the-definitive-a-christmas-carol-1951-starring-alastair-sim/page-21#entry4308607 ]

  305. Just admit it Ramin.

    RAH reached out to you to smack you down on releasing news about his said involvement with perhaps the greatest version of 1951's "A Christmas Carol" ever to be made, with a newly discovered fine grain master print (found in Budapest, of all places).

    And yes, the Missing Mrs. Dilber line is there, intact!

    Since he hasn't signed the contract, he doesn't want his involvement known until the ink is dried.

    Don't try to say this was all a joke, now. We are all too smart to fall for that.

  306. Rodney

    Just admit it Ramin.

    RAH reached out to you to smack you down on releasing news about his said involvement with perhaps the greatest version of 1951's "A Christmas Carol" ever to be made, with a newly discovered fine grain master print (found in Budapest, of all places).

    And yes, the Missing Mrs. Dilber line is there, intact!

    Since he hasn't signed the contract, he doesn't want his involvement known until the ink is dried.

    Don't try to say this was all a joke, now. We are all too smart to fall for that.

    Hi Rodney!

    For those who might not be aware, I feel it should be pointed out that Mrs. Dilber's "For Reaching It Out" line is also intact in the Emerald DVD (2005) and Blu-ray (2009) editions.

    A newly discovered fine grain master in Budapest? Interesting!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  307. davidmatychuk

    If any of this leads to a Robert A. Harris restoration, we should TOTALLY take credit.

    And let's have another theatrical re-release for Christmas 2016 a la MFL.

    Another opportunity for Tammi to broaden her cinematic horizons.

  308. Kyrsten Brad

    And let's have another theatrical re-release for Christmas 2016 a la MFL.

    Another opportunity for Tammi to broaden her cinematic horizons.

    Hi Brad!

    Tammi invades another HTF Thread! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    LOL!! :rolling-smiley:

    All kidding aside, I do love the 65th anniversary theatrical re-release idea! ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  309. Tony Bensley

    Hi Brad!

    Tammi invades another HTF Thread! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    LOL!! :rolling-smiley:

    All kidding aside, I do love the 65th anniversary theatrical re-release idea! ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Is Tammi even old enough to recall the Jim Carrey version? Much less the George C. Scott or Alastair Sim versions.

  310. Kyrsten Brad

    Is Tammi even old enough to recall the Jim Carrey version? Much less the George C. Scott or Alastair Sim versions.

    Tammi likely remembers the Jim Carrey version, but thinks it's a video game!

    Mind you, with some of the animated graphics, it could be a bit hard to tell the difference, at times? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  311. Rodney

    Just admit it Ramin.

    RAH reached out to you to smack you down on releasing news about his said involvement with perhaps the greatest version of 1951's "A Christmas Carol" ever to be made, with a newly discovered fine grain master print (found in Budapest, of all places).
    And yes, the Missing Mrs. Dilber line is there, intact!

    Since he hasn't signed the contract, he doesn't want his involvement known until the ink is dried.

    Don't try to say this was all a joke, now. We are all too smart to fall for that.

    Mr Harris declined to comment on the 'Hungarian Find'. However, sources close to him report that these fine-grains are actually second-unit footage of Sir Alec Guinness impersonating Alastair Sim's Scrooge in between takes on the Ladykillers set.

    Mr Harris has reportedly requested that his involvement in seamlessly integrating these sequences into the upcoming 4K restoration be kept strictly off-record, as it contravenes his renowned public stance of restoring works in line with the director's original intent.

    I understand that the lure of unprecedented sums was a significant factor – after he over-extended himself in a recent purchase of a 4K Sony "Big Dog" 665.

  312. Dr Griffin

    I talked to Tammi the other day before a Spectre showing, and she has no idea what 4K is.

    A Spectre showing Tiny Tammi? To Scrooge? I have a one-track mind. By the way, up here in Canada we may not know what it is, but we do know that the 4K is on the table next to the spoon, eh?, and the knife, eh?

  313. Re: the Moviemail.com listing, Renown just stated this to me in a message:

    "hi ben theyve got it wrong and wrong artwork, feel free to let them know we have releases a stunning 2k transfer dvd of b&w and colour but dvd only "

  314. My copy of Renown's restored DVD just arrived on my doorstep and I had a chance to spot check a few scenes. First things first, despite it being a Region 0 release, it wouldn't play on my Blu-ray player. Oddly I didn't get an error message like I do when I attempt to play Region 2 discs. It played fine on my laptop, so I plugged it into my TV through my HDMI cable.

    As I mentioned earlier, I actually somehow misplaced my VCI Blu-ray, so unfortunately cannot compare it to that, only the 2007 VCI DVD, which is probably pointless. I'm certainly no expert like our reviewers here, so please take the following few comments for what they're worth. Renown's new restored edition begins with the BCI Film Forever logo, then goes into the familiar Renown title and that haunting score that we're all very familiar with. Even in standard definition it looks very film-like and the blacks are quite nice. While I don't intend to watch it all the way through until Christmas Eve (my yearly tradition!), I believe there are missing lines, jumps etc. in VCI's release, so if you can point out where those are, I'd be happy to check. There are absolutely no special features, save for the muddy colourized version from years ago.

  315. Andrew Budgell

    My copy of Renown's restored DVD just arrived on my doorstep and I had a chance to spot check a few scenes. First things first, despite it being a Region 0 release, it wouldn't play on my Blu-ray player. Oddly I didn't get an error message like I do when I attempt to play Region 2 discs. It played fine on my laptop, so I plugged it into my TV through my HDMI cable.

    As I mentioned earlier, I actually somehow misplaced my VCI Blu-ray, so unfortunately cannot compare it to that, only the 2007 VCI DVD, which is probably pointless. I'm certainly no expert like our reviewers here, so please take the following few comments for what they're worth. Renown's new restored edition begins with the BCI Film Forever logo, then goes into the familiar Renown title and that haunting score that we're all very familiar with. Even in standard definition it looks very film-like and the blacks are quite nice. While I don't intend to watch it all the way through until Christmas Eve (my yearly tradition!), I believe there are missing lines, jumps etc. in VCI's release, so if you can point out where those are, I'd be happy to check. There are absolutely no special features, save for the muddy colourized version from years ago.

    Hi Andrew!

    The infamous "For Reaching It Out" line should occur just slightly past the 69 and a half minute mark on NTCS format. However, because your DVD is PAL formatted (Which is likely the reason why it wouldn't play on your Blu-ray Player!), the 4% speedup has to also be taken into account. Suffice it to say, it should just precede the following line, as illustrated below:

    View attachment 24854

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  316. Andrew Budgell

    My copy of Renown's restored DVD just arrived on my doorstep and I had a chance to spot check a few scenes. First things first, despite it being a Region 0 release, it wouldn't play on my Blu-ray player. Oddly I didn't get an error message like I do when I attempt to play Region 2 discs. It played fine on my laptop, so I plugged it into my TV through my HDMI cable.

    As I mentioned earlier, I actually somehow misplaced my VCI Blu-ray, so unfortunately cannot compare it to that, only the 2007 VCI DVD, which is probably pointless. I'm certainly no expert like our reviewers here, so please take the following few comments for what they're worth. Renown's new restored edition begins with the BCI Film Forever logo, then goes into the familiar Renown title and that haunting score that we're all very familiar with. Even in standard definition it looks very film-like and the blacks are quite nice. While I don't intend to watch it all the way through until Christmas Eve (my yearly tradition!), I believe there are missing lines, jumps etc. in VCI's release, so if you can point out where those are, I'd be happy to check. There are absolutely no special features, save for the muddy colourized version from years ago.

    Hi Andrew!

    Are the Patrick Macnee Intros, etc. included, at least? I ask as that's the only remote justification for the colorized version's inclusion, as far as I'm concerned!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  317. Mike Frezon

    While youse guys wait on Renown…

    I picked this up at a local store (FYE) for just $8.99 ($9.99 minus 10% Backstage Pass discount).

    [​IMG]

    Since Crawdaddy watched the '51 version last year, I decided I should give equal time to his favorite, and watch the '38 version, this year. I haven't seen it since I was very young.

    Here's a line Alastair Sim never uttered (straight from the book):

    "If I could work my will, every idiot who goes about with 'Merry Christmas' on his lips, should be boiled with his own pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart. He should!"

    Yikes!

    Very entertaining! My wife and I both liked it a LOT. I still prefer Sim, of course…and I'm sure this is probably just one of those instances when the version one saw most often as a youth becomes the preferred version.

    And, hey!, the ghost of Christmas Past is a hot chick! A blond Ann Rutherford!

    [​IMG]

  318. Tony Bensley

    Hi Andrew!

    The infamous "For Reaching It Out" line should occur just slightly past the 69 and a half minute mark on NTCS format. However, because your DVD is PAL formatted (Which is likely the reason why it wouldn't play on your Blu-ray Player!), the 4% speedup has to also be taken into account. Suffice it to say, it should just precede the following line, as illustrated below:

    [​IMG]For Reaching It Out!.png

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Hi Tony, my apologies for the delay in getting back to you. I can confirm that Mrs. Dilber's "for reaching it out" line is included. ๐Ÿ™‚ Sadly the Patrick MacNee introduction isn't included with either the original B&W or colour versions. Hopefully Renown will include that on their Blu-ray, whenever they are able to release it.

  319. Andrew Budgell

    Hi Tony, my apologies for the delay in getting back to you. I can confirm that Mrs. Dilber's "for reaching it out" line is included. ๐Ÿ™‚ Sadly the Patrick MacNee introduction isn't included with either the original B&W or colour versions. Hopefully Renown will include that on their Blu-ray, whenever they are able to release it.

    Hi Andrew!

    No worries, and thank you very much for your kind reply!

    That's too bad the Patrick Macnee introduction wasn't included with the Colorized version, since from my recall, he actually made reference to the process at some point in his narrative! Without this, in my opinion, the Color version's inclusion is a beyond pointless waste of valuable higher bitrate potential space! I had no expectation (Or desire, for that matter!) of this being included / interspersed with the original Black & White.

    On the other hand, that's great news regarding the inclusion of Mrs. Dilber's "For Reaching It Out" line!

    Keeping in mind the physical media in question is DVD, how did you find the visuals compare with the other DVD versions, and did you get the sense that the Blu-ray equivalent could be at least as good as the 2012 VCI Blu-ray?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  320. Kyrsten Brad

    On a related tack, the George C. Scott version which I purchased back in early November for $7.99 is now going for $24.89. Guess the time to get Christmas films cheaply is over till after Christmas.

    That reminds me…I picked up the Patrick Stewart version early this year (though it became cheaper as the year went on). I think I'll watch this one soon. I've only seen parts of it on TV.

  321. The Patrick Stewart Scrooge is pretty good, but I think there's a great future Scrooge in that version as Cratchit, Richard E.Grant. Can you imagine an age-appropriate Withnail as Scrooge? Also, I'd sure like to see a film of Patrick Stewart's one-man stage version of "A Christmas Carol".

  322. davidmatychuk

    The Patrick Stewart Scrooge is pretty good, but I think there's a great future Scrooge in that version as Cratchit, Richard E.Grant. Can you imagine an age-appropriate Withnail as Scrooge? Also, I'd sure like to see a film of Patrick Stewart's one-man stage version of "A Christmas Carol".

    I thought Stewart did a good job, though he didn't look like Scrooge. I was always aware that I was watching Stewart play Scrooge, rather than watching Scrooge. (I had the same reaction to George Scott's Scrooge.)

    This version seemed patterned after the Sim version in what they showed and didn't show. (They even had a 'reaching out' line.) It had a made-for-TV look and feel. I don't know if this is one I'll watch every year, but I'll definitely watch it again.

  323. Mark Booth

    Am I the only one that prefers Disney's motion-capture animated 'A Christmas Carol' from 2009? (Sorry, I didn't read the entire thread yet.)

    Mark

    Jim Carrey completely lifted his Scrooge from Alistair Sim. Completely.

  324. Kilgore

    Jim Carrey completely lifted his Scrooge from Alistair Sim. Completely.

    Hi Glen!

    That's because, like myself, this fellow Canuck would've been reared on the annual CTV Midnight Christmas Eve Broadcasts of the 1951 Alastair Sim Scrooge! Mr. Sim's Ebenezer Scrooge is basically ingrained into our DNA! ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  325. Tony Bensley

    Hi Glen!

    That's because, like myself, this fellow Canuck would've been reared on the annual CTV Midnight Christmas Eve Broadcasts of the 1951 Alastair Sim Scrooge! Mr. Sim's Ebenezer Scrooge is basically ingrained into our DNA! ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Actually, Tony, Carrey would have seen A Christmas Carol on the independent CHCH channel 11 from Hamilton during his formative years . They ran it on Christmas Eve ( in prime time ) for at least fifteen years before CTV picked it up.

  326. Rob W

    Actually, Tony, Carrey would have seen A Christmas Carol on the independent CHCH channel 11 from Hamilton during his formative years . They ran it on Christmas Eve ( in prime time ) for at least fifteen years before CTV picked it up.

    Hi Rob!

    Now that you mention it, I do recall that CHCH channel 11 did air it during my early formative years. I think CTV picked it up at some point during the 80s, by which time Jim Carrey was in Hollywood performing stand up!

    Thanks for the correction! ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  327. In Vancouver, it was KVOS from Bellingham, twenty miles across the border in Washington State, that was my earliest yearly Christmas Eve experience of the Alastair Sim version. Our neighbourhood wasn't wired for cable but that station came in as clear on the roof antenna as any Vancouver station. KVOS was a CBS affiliate in those days, so their regular weekday evening "Million Dollar Movie", which ran from 5:15 to 7:15, would break at 6:30 for Walter Cronkite, and then resume the movie at 7. Imagine that! We certainly weren't spoiled for choice back then, and that fact is that I first saw a bunch of my lifelong favourite movies that way. I don't think there's any movie that I've seen more times than the 1951 "A Christmas Carol", and I may squeeze in a few more viewings yet. I just don't think Walter Cronkite will be interrupting me again.

  328. Kilgore

    Jim Carrey completely lifted his Scrooge from Alistair Sim. Completely.

    I know I did when I played Scrooge in our school's Grade 5 Christmas play. Several adults complimented me on my English accent and wondered where a 9-year-old in Surrey, B.C. might have picked it up. Steal only from the best, I say.

  329. Here's the poster for one of my Vancouver Christmas concerts this year, for those who might be interested. There's a song I do every year called "Remembering Old Fezziwig", the music for which is derived from the little "I don't know anything, I never did know anything, but now I know that I don't know, all on a Christmas morning" song Alastair Sim sings in the movie.

    View attachment 25028

  330. Dr Griffin

    I'd love to see some screen grabs from this edition, does anyone that has this have that capability. There's really no information or reviews of this version that I can find, and no screenshots yet.

    Stanley: Are you talking about the new Renown DVD version?

  331. Andrew Budgell

    I tried to make a few screen captures from the new Renown DVD but they weren't reflective of what I was seeing. The last thing I want to do is post something that is misleading.

    Hi Andrew!

    Of course, I don't know how you're set up for DVD playback, PC wise, but I find for DVD Screen Captures, MPC-HC and VLC Media Players work best.

    It's too bad that online reviewers haven't bothered with using screen captures, thus far, though I suspect that once the Blu-ray Release ended up on the back burner, general interest in the Renown Release unfortunately imploded!

    By the way, did the screen captures seem better or worse than your personal viewing experience indicated? The gauge that I'm using is "Did it appear better than the Emerald Edition DVD?" If so, that goes a long way in my determining whether or not to order the Blu-ray whenever it DOES become available!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  332. bgart13

    Don't be surprised if there's at least one new bd next season. I alerted VCI to the new 2k source (which they were unaware of).

    Oh thank heavens! It just hasn't seemed like Christmas this year without buying this title again from VCI! ๐Ÿ˜†

  333. Tony Bensley

    Hi Andrew!

    Of course, I don't know how you're set up for DVD playback, PC wise, but I find for DVD Screen Captures, MPC-HC and VLC Media Players work best.

    It's too bad that online reviewers haven't bothered with using screen captures, thus far, though I suspect that once the Blu-ray Release ended up on the back burner, general interest in the Renown Release unfortunately imploded!

    By the way, did the screen captures seem better or worse than your personal viewing experience indicated? The gauge that I'm using is "Did it appear better than the Emerald Edition DVD?" If so, that goes a long way in my determining whether or not to order the Blu-ray whenever it DOES become available!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Thanks for the tips., Tony Maybe I'll try giving the screen caps another shot over the holidays. As I said, the last thing I want to post is something that is not indicative of what I'm seeing (as my first attempts were not successful)… I don't want to mislead anyone, especially as I seem to be the only one who owns a copy of the new Renown DVD… that's a lot of pressure. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    The only thing I have to compare the new Renown DVD to is the 2007 VCI DVD and screen caps of the 2009 Blu-ray from DVD Beaver. I can say that the Renown DVD is a big improvement over the 2007 VCI DVD, but is not nearly as detailed as the 2009 Blu-ray (and of course it's not). Not being an expert, I don't know what the allowance/discrepancy should be between standard and high definition, so I don't feel comfortable in making a judgement call as to whether the new 2K has the potential of besting the VCI Blu-ray whenever it's finally released in high definition. I hope that doesn't sound like a cop out.

  334. Sounds totally reasonable to me! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I'm just not sure why there's all that much interest in this DVD. On a title like this (which I guess I've purchased on Blu twice already), I wouldn't even think to order a new DVD version (Mrs. Dilber be damned!). :biggrin:

    And I'm not sure there's any way to guage, really, what a Renown Blu would be like based on a separate DVD release. But, maybe there is.

  335. Mike Frezon

    Sounds totally reasonable to me! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I'm just not sure why there's all that much interest in this DVD. On a title like this (which I guess I've purchased on Blu twice already), I wouldn't even think to order a new DVD version (Mrs. Dilber be damned!). :biggrin:

    And I'm not sure there's any way to guage, really, what a Renown Blu would be like based on a separate DVD release. But, maybe there is.

    Hi Mike!

    After giving your above observation some consideration, I can only state for myself that any interest was twofold:

    1. The name of the video company, Renown Pictures, is the same as the UK studio responsible for this definitive classic Scrooge film!

    2. This was initially being promoted as a Blu-ray release. As such, it could have made for a worthy comparison to the previous VCI/Emerald Blu-ray releases. That the Blu-ray inexplicably got held back while the DVD release went ahead is, what I suspect, created this "What's all the hype over just another DVD release about?" vibe! That's my take on it, anyway.

    Instead, we have a situation in which those who chose to get the DVD (I did not!), are understandably reluctant to make comparisons of the Renown DVD with previous Blu-ray releases; all this because the Blu-ray issue got inexplicably delayed! I for one, was unforeseeably disappointed when the news of this delay hit, but so it goes!

    Even as I type this, it occurs to me it should be possible to make a fair comparison between the Renown DVD and the 2011/2012 VCI companion DVD, as I think it's reasonable to assume that whichever comes out on top should have the better Blu-ray version (Whenever Renown gets around to releasing theirs!), as well. I don't know why that didn't occur to me before!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  336. Excerpts from the new Renown version are here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-XRpqVhAA&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=TPTV+Website+Newsletter+Subscribers&utm_campaign=90efd4bfa9-A_Very_Merry_Christmas_from_TPTV12_23_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8b70d28f29-90efd4bfa9-76990801

    Talking Pictures TV, which is Renown's TV channel in the UK, are showing the film over Christmas. It won't be a good judge of quality though, because they show everything in SD with low compression rates.โ€‹

  337. Douglas R

    Excerpts from the new Renown version are here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-XRpqVhAA&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=TPTV+Website+Newsletter+Subscribers&utm_campaign=90efd4bfa9-A_Very_Merry_Christmas_from_TPTV12_23_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8b70d28f29-90efd4bfa9-76990801

    Talking Pictures TV, which is Renown's TV channel in the UK, are showing the film over Christmas. It won't be a good judge of quality though, because they show everything in SD with low compression rates.โ€‹

    Hi Douglas!

    If Renown's Trailer, compression and all (But the 16×9 AR!), is even somewhat indicative of what would be on their future Blu-ray issue….

    I'M IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

    Thank you very much for sharing this YouTube link! :thumbs-up-smiley:

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  338. Robert Crawford

    For the first time ever, I haven't watched one Christmas theme film this holiday season. I might watch 3 Godfathers tomorrow, but that will be it for me this year.

    Hi Robert!

    I've actually been pretty skint on the holiday viewing myself this month. This having been the warmest December on record in our neck of the woods probably hasn't helped!

    Still, I plan to put on CTV's annual showing of A CHRISTMAS CAROL for after midnight viewing. It's something that I do every year just because it feels right!

    Anyway, Merry Christmas, Robert! I hope it's a good one for you!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  339. Tony Bensley

    Hi Robert!

    I've actually been pretty skint on the holiday viewing myself this month. This having been the warmest December on record in our neck of the woods probably hasn't helped!

    Still, I plan to put on CTV's annual showing of A CHRISTMAS CAROL for after midnight viewing. It's something that I do every year just because it feels right!

    Anyway, Merry Christmas, Robert! I hope it's a good one for you!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

    Yeah, I'm not sad or depressed about Christmas, just that my movie watching has been focused on other film themes. Merry Christmas to all!

  340. Andrew Budgell

    It's Christmas Eve, the day many of us here have our annual viewing of Scrooge starring the one and only Alaistair Sim.

    Wishing each of you Scrooge-a-holics a very Merry Christmas!

    [​IMG]

    That's on my viewing agenda for tonight. I don't usually wait for Christmas Eve to watch it but I guess I was busy watching lots of other Christmas movies the last 3 or 4 weeks (including the Patrick Stewart version and a couple of partial viewings of the George Scott version on AMC).

  341. Tony,

    of course, I do hope that this does show up on this side of the pond, a 2k with help from the BFI might go a long way to present this the way it needs to be seen. No need for the box of crayons color by number version. hopefully, when it is released on blu it will have supplementals as to the restoration process and some other nice extras. if this could ever get a "Criterion type" release, the best extra would be Richard Williams beautifully animated version fully restored and presented as well, Sim is perfect in that as well.

    now i need to take a break from Mulder and Scully and fit this film in

  342. WHY do I need yet another version of A Christmas Carol when I've got the 1951 version in my collection?

    This will just be another one to add to the '38 version, the Disney/Carrey version, and all the rest in the hardly-ever watched pile…

    ๐Ÿ˜€

  343. Mike Frezon

    WHY do I need yet another version of A Christmas Carol when I've got the 1951 version in my collection?

    This will just be another one to add to the '38 version, the Disney/Carrey version, and all the rest in the hardly-ever watched pile…

    ๐Ÿ˜€

    I'm thinking that in the current social climate, a fresh reminder about Ignorance and Want might be as relevant as it was in Dickens' day. Also, it's another opportunity to get that Mrs. Dilber "For reaching it out" line in there, which will always play well on this HTF thread.

  344. davidmatychuk

    I'm thinking that in the current social climate, a fresh reminder about Ignorance and Want might be as relevant as it was in Dickens' day. Also, it's another opportunity to get that Mrs. Dilber "For reaching it out" line in there, which will always play well on this HTF thread.

    I love the 1951 version. However I love the Albert finney version as well. I think the hell scene adds a lot to the story and the conversion of Scrooge as well.

    Anyway a new version of the story in film form is always welcome.

  345. If it hasn't been mentioned in the thread already, the television series "Doctor Who" did a retelling of "A Christmas Carol" for their annual Christmas episode in 2010 with Michael Gambon playing the "Scrooge"-like part. It's my favorite of all of the Christmas specials they've done.

  346. Let me add an acknowledgement of something added to the Dickens source material for the 1951 movie that I think really works: the character of Jorkins, played by Jack Warner. Not only does he provide some financial backstory, historical context, and general amusement, but he bridges the transition from George Cole and Patrick Macnee to Alastair Sim and Michael Hordern so that it's quite believable.

  347. Garysb

    So is it too soon to speculate whether there will be a new blu ray this year for the 65th anniversary?

    How can they not?

    I really don't think they can help themselves.

    I know I can't help myself.

    They'll sell it. I'll buy it.

    Again.

  348. Garysb

    So is it too soon to speculate whether there will be a new blu ray this year for the 65th anniversary?

    Not at all, Gary! My question is will Renown finally issue their Blu-ray version that was supposed to have been released last December, but was inexplicably postponed at the last minute. They did go ahead with the DVD version, which as I recall, was derived from a 2K transfer. In looking at previous posts, you'll see there's been quite a bit of speculation as to what may have caused the Blu-ray release to be pulled back. While I haven't viewed this myself (I'm holding out for a proper Blu-ray issuing!), from what I recall reading about this being a complete version with no missing dialogue, in my opinion, it is a shame there's no Blu-ray from this scanning, as of yet!

    By the way, has anyone heard anything more about if/when Renown intends to release the Blu-ray version of this beloved Christmas Classic? In time for this Christmas would be fantastic!

    Here's a link to some related postings at Blu-ray.com from last year:
    http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=104728&page=15

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  349. Andrew Budgell

    I'm wondering if Renown has plans to release the BFI restoration on Blu this year after plans were cancelled last year and it got a DVD only release…

    I'll Tweet them and see if they have any news. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Hi Andrew!

    Hopefully, "for (Your) reaching it out", Renown will give you a timely reply with some promising news? ๐Ÿ™‚

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Tony

  350. I'll keep you posted! It seems like they only use their Twitter intermittently, but they've always been good about getting back to me in the past, even if it takes a few days.

    I'll be travelling during Christmas this year so I won't even be home to have a 65th anniversary screening, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the new restoration finally gets a release on Blu this year.

  351. I mean…it's crazy.

    I feel absolutely flush with cash. It's been a couple of years since I've bought a new version of the '51 A Christmas Carol (has it really been since 2011, Amazon??).

    I had to do SOMETHING last year, so I bought a copy of the '38 ACC just to keep the economy from collapsing.

    I'll be mighty surprised in Andrew doesn't get a thumbs-up from Renown that the Blu is coming this year. My wallet is already twitching with anticipation.

  352. I've heard back from Renown…

    They said: "thank you for your tweet, we are working on it!"

    Doesn't indicate it if we'll get it in the 65th anniversary, but hopefully we'll see it sooner rather than later. ๐Ÿ™‚

  353. Mike Frezon

    I'll be mighty surprised in Andrew doesn't get a thumbs-up from Renown that the Blu is coming this year. My wallet is already twitching with anticipation.

    Andrew Budgell

    They said: "thank you for your tweet, we are working on it!"

    [​IMG]

  354. Thank you Andrew for checking with Renown about the restored film in blu ray. Doesn't sound like they are ready to make an announcement yet. Still we have something to look forward to.

  355. I'll be travelling over the holidays this year and won't have an opportunity for my Christmas Eve annual viewing, so I had to sneak one in over the weekend, especially as this is the film's 65th anniversary year. Still can't believe VCI aren't commemorating it! They always milk anniversaries for this film. And it doesn't seem like we're getting the BFI's restoration of the film on Blu-ray from Renown which is a complete missed opportunity in its anniversary year.

  356. Andrew Budgell

    I'll be travelling over the holidays this year and won't have an opportunity for my Christmas Eve annual viewing, so I had to sneak one in over the weekend, especially as this is the film's 65th anniversary year. Still can't believe VCI are commemorating it! They always milk anniversaries for this film. And it doesn't seem like we're getting the BFI's restoration of the film on Blu-ray from Renown which is a complete missed opportunity in its anniversary year.

    Is it possible that someone else is releasing the BFI restoration?

  357. Andrew Budgell

    I'll be travelling over the holidays this year and won't have an opportunity for my Christmas Eve annual viewing, so I had to sneak one in over the weekend, especially as this is the film's 65th anniversary year. Still can't believe VCI are commemorating it! They always milk anniversaries for this film. And it doesn't seem like we're getting the BFI's restoration of the film on Blu-ray from Renown which is a complete missed opportunity in its anniversary year.

    In what way is VCI commemorating the 65th anniversary, Andrew? I see no upcoming release from them unless I missed something in my Google search.

    Regarding Renown's aborted Blu-ray release, while going ahead with the DVD, it's just one of those unfortunate, inexplicably bizarre things. Just that their DVD version has the often missing four words of dialogue causes me to pine for a Blu-ray version of the 1951 A CHRISTMAS CAROL from them, but what can one do?

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  358. Tony Bensley

    In what way is VCI commemorating the 65th anniversary, Andrew? I see no upcoming release from them unless I missed something in my Google search.

    Hi Tony, sorry, my post should have read it's strange that VCI aren't commemorating the anniversary in any way. It's a title they usually milk as much as they can.

  359. JoeDoakes

    Is it possible that someone else is releasing the BFI restoration?

    Andrew Budgell

    Hopefully someone gets around to releasing it!

    I just have this nagging feeling that the BFI restoration that has only had DVD release so far could end up being the definitive HD version, if only somebody would release this?

    I know that much has been discussed about this, some of it by me! However, at this point, my sole question is "For reaching it out, Renown, why did you drop the ball on a Blu-ray release of your 2K scanning of the definitive 1951 Scrooge? WHY, OH WHY, OH WHY?!!? :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

  360. Tony Bensley

    I just have this nagging feeling that the BFI restoration that has only had DVD release so far could end up being the definitive HD version, if only somebody would release this?

    I know that much has been discussed about this, some of it by me! However, at this point, my sole question is "For reaching it out, Renown, why did you drop the ball on a Blu-ray release of your 2K scanning of the definitive 1951 Scrooge? WHY, OH WHY, OH WHY?!!? :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

    You'll be pleased to know, Tony, that every day from December 1st through January 7th I randomly say the words "for reaching it out" in conversation several times a day. I figure that if I put those four words where they don't belong often enough, it'll make up for all the times I've missed hearing them where they do belong.

  361. davidmatychuk

    every day from December 1st through January 7th I randomly say the words "for reaching it out" in conversation several times a day.

    You must leave a lot of confused people in your wake, David! :laugh:

    "I'd like to order–for reaching it out–a footlong sub on whole wheat bread, please."

  362. Andrew Budgell

    Renown are selling a Scrooge tote bag and Christmas card to commemorate the film's 65th anniversary. Would have preferred a Blu-ray of the BFI restoration, but oh well!

    http://www.renownfilms.co.uk/index….529dc213a44c6f74dfdab052925b5&keyword=scrooge

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    Oh, if only the Scrooge tote bag could contain a new Blu-ray of the BFI restoration! ๐Ÿ™

    The "Bah! Humbug!" inscription does sadly seem to be in keeping with that situation! Ah, well!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  363. Tony Bensley

    I just have this nagging feeling that the BFI restoration that has only had DVD release so far could end up being the definitive HD version, if only somebody would release this?

    I know that much has been discussed about this, some of it by me! However, at this point, my sole question is "For reaching it out, Renown, why did you drop the ball on a Blu-ray release of your 2K scanning of the definitive 1951 Scrooge? WHY, OH WHY, OH WHY?!!? :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

    Yeah, it seems odd to release a DVD and not a BD version nowadays.

    Maybe they're busy working on a VHS version?

  364. Marvin

    Yeah, it seems odd to release a DVD and not a BD version nowadays.

    Maybe they're busy working on a VHS version?

    Odd, but sadly, not all that uncommon! Look at all of the current TV series whose seasons are no longer being issued to Blu-ray (Plus some that never have been, such as the ever popular NCIS!), and are getting DVD releases only. Heck, Fox won't even release new seasons of THE SIMPSONS in any physical media format, anymore!

    If it's Blu-ray replicating equipment that Renown is lacking, is it beyond their capabilities to release SCROOGE (1951) as an HD digital download, at least? While this wouldn't be my first choice, especially since as a non U.S. resident, chances are pretty good that I wouldn't be able to access it anyway, it would still be better than nothing for those who could!

    CHEERS! ๐Ÿ™‚

  365. I just posted this in the "New 2016 Christmas DVD's & Blue Rays" thread elsewhere on HTF. I invite you all to get over there and rant along with me:

    Yeah, what gives with the virtual absence of new Christmas home video releases in this cursed year? The new "It's A Wonderful Life" Blu-Ray is just a repackaging of the earlier 2-disc Paramount set. There's a new "Black Christmas", but a very fine new Blu-Ray came out last Christmas. Now, earlier in 2016 – before Easter, I mean – Olive put out "Christmas Eve" on Blu-Ray, and last year's "Love The Coopers", "The Night Before", "Krampus", and "A Christmas Horror Story" each followed their theatrical runs with Blu-Rays the usual two or three months later, but since then we didn't even get the normal annual promise/threat of a new Blu Alastair Sim "Christmas Carol". There's no Blu-Ray of last year's much-heralded Bill Murray Christmas special for him to plug and he is OMNIPRESENT these days? Where's the gorgeous Blu-Ray of Bill Forsyth's masterpiece "Comfort And Joy"? In a world where otherwise-decent Blu-Rays of "The Bishop's Wife" and the aforementioned "Christmas Carol" are missing actual chunks of dialogue, have we really run out of Christmas classics to remaster? Are the home video manufacturers fated to be visited by three spirits this Christmas Eve? Are there no Blu-Ray prisons? Are there no 4K UltraHD Blu-Ray workhouses?

  366. Osato

    I'm guessing another year before a uhd release for a holiday film?
    The format is so new.

    I have holiday inn and white Christmas on my blu Ray list. I have both on DVD.

    They're both great Blu-Rays, but "White Christmas" will knock you on your ass. Actually, just sit down to watch it.