Criterion Press Release: All About Eve (Blu-ray)

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In Joseph L. Mankiewicz’s devastatingly witty Hollywood classic, backstage is where the real drama plays out. One night, Margo Channing (Bette Davis) entertains a surprise dressing-room visitor: her most adoring fan, the shy, wide-eyed Eve Harrington (Anne Baxter). But as Eve becomes a fixture in Margo’s life, the Broadway legend soon realizes that her supposed admirer intends to use her and everyone in her circle, including George Sanders’s acid-tongued critic, as stepping-stones to stardom. Featuring stiletto-sharp dialogue and direction by Mankiewicz, and an unforgettable Davis in the role that revived her career and came to define it, the multiple-Oscar-winning All About Eveis the most deliciously entertaining film ever made about the ruthlessness of show business.

FILM INFO

  • Joseph L. Mankiewicz
  • United States
  • 1950
  • 138 minutes
  • Black & White
  • 1.37:1
  • English
  • Spine #1003SPECIAL FEATURES
    • 4K digital restoration, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray
    • Two audio commentaries from 2010, one featuring actor Celeste Holm, director Joseph L. Mankiewicz’s son Christopher Mankiewicz, and author Kenneth L. Geist; the other featuring author Sam Staggs
    • All About Mankiewicz, a feature-length documentary from 1983 about the director
    • Episodes of The Dick Cavett Show from 1969 and 1980 featuring actors Bette Davis and Gary Merrill
    • New interview with costume historian Larry McQueen
    • Hollywood Backstories: “All About Eve,” a 2001 documentary featuring interviews with Davis and others about the making of the film
    • Documentaries from 2010 about Mankiewicz’s life and career, the short story on which the film is based and its real-world inspiration, and a real-life “Sarah Siddons Society” based on the film’s fictional society
    • Radio adaptation of the film from 1951
    • Trailer
    • PLUS: An essay by critic Terrence Rafferty and the 1946 short story on which the film is based

    New cover by Greg Ruth

    November 26, 2019

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  2. Based on the date radio adaptation is the Lux Radio Theatre on NBC on October 1, 1951, starring Bette Davis, Gary Merrill and Anne Baxter.

    However there was a second radio version of All About Eve starring Tallulah Bankhead as Margo Channing which was was presented on NBC's The Big Show by the Theatre Guild of the Air on November 16, 1952. As Margo, as played by Davis, is often thought of as Davis playing Tallulah Bankhead and Davis played on film 3 roles that Bankhead originated on stage it would have been nice to include the Bankhead version.
    Here is part one of Tallulah Bankhead in "All About Eve" from youtube.

  3. At first glance I was disappointed that it was yet another Criterion release of a film already on blu. But the more I think about it, the more excited I get. The extras look great, the upgraded video and audio will be marvelous and it’s one of my most favorite films.

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  5. Yes, the earlier disc of All About Eve looked great;
    but after Criterion's updated transfer of Some Like It Hot should there really be any doubts?
    So, unfasten your seat belts, it's going to be a very smooth ride.:thumbs-up-smiley:

  6. At first, I thought this was an odd choice since Fox's Blu is already seemingly excellent except… it doesn't have lossless mono (Dolby Digital 192kbs only!) and to be honest… the Cavett episodes Criterion includes on their releases are enough to make me interested in rebuying. Plus the feature-length Mankiewicz doc. While a UHD would have been nice, I recall the camera negative to this was junked with all the other nitrates.

    One of the absolute classics of cinema, though.

  7. Are they ditching the 5.1 remix, or did they just not bother to list it as an extra? I know some Criterion discs keep the “alternate” soundtrack as a supplement while other discs eliminate it altogether.

  8. darkrock17

    Criterion's release of Eve looks to have the same feature's as Fox's just the MovieTone newsreels, isolated score, and some vintage promotion for both Bette Davis and Anne Baxter are missing.

    I must confess that I’m a tad disappointed that they’re not retaining the isolated score, especially since Alfred Newman’s score is very good.

  9. richardburton84

    I must confess that I’m a tad disappointed that they’re not retaining the isolated score, especially since Alfred Newman’s score is very good.

    It's deletion from this release probably has to do with copyright and whoever is in charge of Alfred Newman's estate most likely,

  10. darkrock17

    It's deletion from this release probably has to do with copyright and whoever is in charge of Alfred Newman's estate most likely,

    I’m not so sure Newman’s estate has anything to do with the isolated score being blocked (especially since they seemingly approved the inclusion of an isolated track of his score for The President’s Lady, a much lesser known film and score than Eve). I think Criterion may have chosen not to include given they also dropped the MFX track for their Blu upgrade of Notorious earlier this year, though they strangely kept the MFX track on their upgrade of Rebecca.

  11. richardburton84

    I’m not so sure Newman’s estate has anything to do with the isolated score being blocked (especially since they seemingly approved the inclusion of an isolated track of his score for The President’s Lady, a much lesser known film and score than Eve). I think Criterion may have chosen not to include given they also dropped the MFX track for their Blu upgrade of Notorious earlier this year, though they strangely kept the MFX track on their upgrade of Rebecca.

    What is an MFX track?

  12. richardburton84

    MFX is essentially an abbreviation for music-and-effects (similar to an isolated score, only containing sound effects in addition to the music).

    Interesting, I've never heard of a sound effect only track before.

  13. As a huge Bette Davis fanboy, I'm sticking with the Fox too. It looks just fine to my eyes and my money would be better spent on films that need HD upgrades. Unlike (apparently :)) some of the HTFers here, I don't have deep pockets and can't replace everything and must pick and choose what discs I will "upgrade". And that goes for Criterion's Now Voyager too. I watched the Warners DVD a few months ago and it looked wonderful. Heresy, I know but the quality of many DVDs are excellent and no need to go blu. I will however get the Warners Jezebel blu as there is room for improvement over the old DVD.

  14. Scott Merryfield

    I really like this film, but already have the Fox BD release. Not sure I want to spend another $20 for the Criterion BD, as the Fox release looks quite good.

    I said the same thing about Some Like it Hot! … and ended up buying it anyway … not that any one in that cast is in this movie 😉 …

  15. Thomas T

    As a huge Bette Davis fanboy, I'm sticking with the Fox too. It looks just fine to my eyes and my money would be better spent on films that need HD upgrades. Unlike (apparently :)) some of the HTFers here, I don't have deep pockets and can't replace everything and must pick and choose what discs I will "upgrade". And that goes for Criterion's Now Voyager too. I watched the Warners DVD a few months ago and it looked wonderful. Heresy, I know but the quality of many DVDs are excellent and no need to go blu. I will however get the Warners Jezebel blu as there is room for improvement over the old DVD.

    Whatever works for you, but barring a botched transfer or sub-par source elements, I can't imagine going from 480p (and all it's inherent problems) to 1080p NOT being a huge, and upgrade-worthy, improvement.

  16. dpippel

    Whatever works for you, but barring a botched transfer or sub-par source elements, I can't imagine going from 480p (and all it's inherent problems) to 1080p NOT being a huge, and upgrade-worthy, improvement.

    Well, since you feel so strongly about it, send me a check and I promise you I'll upgrade. 🙂

  17. B-ROLL

    I said the same thing about Some Like it Hot! … and ended up buying it anyway … not that any one in that cast is in this movie 😉 …

    Not one?? Anyway, I also upgraded–the difference in quality was night and day.

  18. Interesting that Criterion does not tout this as a New 4k Digital restoration (which they do on such releases as Awful Truth, King of Jazz and Philadelphia Story. ) That missing word suggests it's entirely possible that Fox's excellent blu was also sourced from a 4K digital restoration.

    We shall see…

  19. Rob W

    Interesting that Criterion does not tout this as a New 4k Digital restoration (which they do on such releases as Awful Truth, King of Jazz and Philadelphia Story. ) That missing word suggests it's entirely possible that Fox's excellent blu was also sourced from a 4K digital restoration.

    We shall see…

    Since the Fox BD came out on 02-01-11, were they doing 4K restorations back in 2010?

  20. Robert Crawford

    Since the Fox BD came out on 02-01-11, were they doing 4K restorations back in 2010?

    My God – has it been that long ???

    Your question is above my pay grade, but certainly suggests it won't be the same transfer source.

  21. Jeffrey D

    Everyone here can thank me for this announcement- I bought the original BluRay release recently. 😀

    Would you mind me sending you list of films that you should immediately purchase so we can have blu-ray upgrades? 😉

  22. darkrock17

    It's deletion from this release probably has to do with copyright and whoever is in charge of Alfred Newman's estate most likely,

    No, it does not have anything to do with either of those things. They're simply not including it.

  23. Just curious – everyone thinks the previous release of this film on Blu from the year 2011 is not going to be bested by a 4K transfer in 2019? O-kay. They're being especially dismissive and vociferous about how great that 2011 transfer is on another board and so they'll gleefully pass on this release. Sorry, for me this is a must-buy and no the 2011 transfer is not THIS transfer.

  24. haineshisway

    No, it does not have anything to do with either of those things. They're simply not including it.

    I had a feeling it was something like that. Supposing Disney hasn’t put a curb on the licensing of Fox scores, Bruce, would you happen to know if there’s a chance a remastered CD of this score could come out in the future, either from Kritzerland or LLL, especially as the FSM CD paired with Leave Her to Heaven (which you already reissued) has been out of print for quite some time.

  25. haineshisway

    Just curious – everyone thinks the previous release of this film on Blu from the year 2011 is not going to be bested by a 4K transfer in 2019? O-kay. They're being especially dismissive and vociferous about how great that 2011 transfer is on another board and so they'll gleefully pass on this release. Sorry, for me this is a must-buy and no the 2011 transfer is not THIS transfer.

    I hope you'll post your opinion of the difference between the two discs. I'll hold fire until I hear a reliable opinion.

  26. We'll see how it all shakes out – we had many Fox projects to do but when Nick Redman passed and the Disney thing happened it all got put in limbo. We're hopeful that we'll be able to proceed – we just had one project with them given the go-ahead and it's a huge project for us, so I'm ever hopeful.

  27. haineshisway

    Just curious – everyone thinks the previous release of this film on Blu from the year 2011 is not going to be bested by a 4K transfer in 2019? O-kay. They're being especially dismissive and vociferous about how great that 2011 transfer is on another board and so they'll gleefully pass on this release. Sorry, for me this is a must-buy and no the 2011 transfer is not THIS transfer.

    I don't think anyone here is saying the existing transfer is going to be as good as the new Criterion transfer. It's just a question of whether it will be enough of an improvement to justify spending $20+ on the new release when the Fox BD is already quite good.

  28. haineshisway

    Just curious – everyone thinks the previous release of this film on Blu from the year 2011 is not going to be bested by a 4K transfer in 2019? O-kay. They're being especially dismissive and vociferous about how great that 2011 transfer is on another board and so they'll gleefully pass on this release. Sorry, for me this is a must-buy and no the 2011 transfer is not THIS transfer.

    Bruce, to be fair, I think people on this board forgot how long it's been since the first BD release came out until I posted about it.

  29. Scott Merryfield

    I don't think anyone here is saying the existing transfer is going to be as good as the new Criterion transfer. It's just a question of whether it will be enough of an improvement to justify spending $20+ on the new release when the Fox BD is already quite good.

    Thank you!!! AAE is a dialogue driven film rather than a visual one. I'm sure the Criterion transfer is going to look spectacular but the "old" transfer is a good one. If it wasn't, I'd certainly be first in line to do back flips over the new Criterion release. So maybe AAE won't look as nice as the new Criterion transfer but the acting and writing will still be just as good.

  30. Thomas T

    Thank you!!! AAE is a dialogue driven film rather than a visual one. I'm sure the Criterion transfer is going to look spectacular but the "old" transfer is a good one. If it wasn't, I'd certainly be first in line to do back flips over the new Criterion release. So maybe AAE won't look as nice as the new Criterion transfer but the acting and writing will still be just as good.

    I'm also wondering how big of a display will be needed to be able to discern any meaningful difference between the two releases.

  31. Arthur Powell

    I'm also wondering how big of a display will be needed to be able to discern any meaningful difference between the two releases.

    I don't know – everyone thought the first Some Like It Hot Blu was "fine." And then did this same thing when Criterion announced it. And the difference was astonishing, to say the least. And I would disagree with the other poster about the visual aspects of All About Eve – it is great visually – just simple and effective, which is what any movie should strive for. But, everyone will do what they will and that's all fine.

  32. haineshisway

    I don't know – everyone thought the first Some Like It Hot Blu was "fine." And then did this same thing when Criterion announced it. And the difference was astonishing, to say the least. And I would disagree with the other poster about the visual aspects of All About Eve – it is great visually – just simple and effective, which is what any movie should strive for. But, everyone will do what they will and that's all fine.

    On the flip side, we have the updated blu-ray of Casablanca which was taken from a newer master, but the effective difference between the two seems to be marginal. Since I don't even like "All About Eve" (I know – heresy), I really have no stake in this release, but I will be interested in reading the inevitable reviews and comparisons.

  33. Scott Merryfield

    I don't think anyone here is saying the existing transfer is going to be as good as the new Criterion transfer. It's just a question of whether it will be enough of an improvement to justify spending $20+ on the new release when the Fox BD is already quite good.

    Everybody must buy the Criterion : All About Eve is one of b est movies ever of its type and i am so excited about this new release anyone not buying it I might just even buy it for them myself for a Christmas present….

  34. I have learned long ago never to say never, especially when it come to a shiny, sparkly new version of one of my favorite movies. I held off on buying the Criterion version of REBECCA for a long time because I was sure it looked as good as it was going to on blu-ray already, but I eventually succumbed. My willpower is nil when it comes to worthy upgrades so I have a feeling I will wind up "needing" this once the reviews hit.

  35. Arthur Powell

    On the flip side, we have the updated blu-ray of Casablanca which was taken from a newer master, but the effective difference between the two seems to be marginal. Since I don't even like "All About Eve" (I know – heresy), I really have no stake in this release, but I will be interested in reading the inevitable reviews and comparisons.

    Yes, I was someone who listened to the posters here who said there was no discernible difference between the two CASABLANCA Blus. I finally bought it when the price went down, and guess what? Even on a 32 inch screen there is a world of difference! In fact, I would say the difference is much more radical here than between the two Blus of SOME LIKE IT HOT. The reason is that the first Blu of CASABLANCA, though spot-on in terms of image sharpness, was moderately degrained, and slightly digital looking, which de-emphasized the quality of the cinematography, in particular lessening the ability to see the actual lighting of the film, whereas the second CASABLANCA BLU is truly a thing of beauty. Watching the second Blu-Ray issue of CASABLABCA compared to the first is like watching a completely different film, one that is not only more visually alive, but the difference between looking at an actual Van Gogh and reveling in the array of smeared paint and brush marks, as opposed to looking at a faded photograph. It is more three-dimensional and also a more immersive experience.

    Going back to ALL ABOUT EVE, on the other hand, I'm not certain whether the difference will be that substantial, as the original digi-book Blu was on the highest level of mastering and image capture that was available when it was produced. Of course, that was quite some time ago, 11 years, I think, and the potential for producing totally accurate reproductions of film on digital media has improved substantially. So like everyone else, I'll wait on the reviews.

  36. Will Krupp

    […] My willpower is nil when it comes to worthy upgrades so I have a feeling I will wind up "needing" this once the reviews hit.

    There's willpower and then there's Kruppower.:)

  37. Also, while Joseph Mankiewicz has been someone who has been disparaged by many film historians as being a better scriptwriter then a visual stylist, ALL ABOUT EVE is a film that may be subtle visually, but pays many rewards to those who study its images, in particular, the way the scenes are lit in terms of the changing dynamics among the film's protagonists.

  38. lark144

    ALL ABOUT EVE is a film that may be subtle visually, but pays many rewards to those who study its images

    The fact that Mankiewicz (born in my hometown, btw) knowingly litters the tables at the Stork Club with bottles of Sortilege Perfume is enough of a visual reward for me!

    PMF

    There's willpower and then there's Kruppower.:D

    Kruppstahl!! (even WORSE!)

  39. "visual stylist"

    I've always loved that subtle push-in on Celeste Holm early in the film as her character is getting out of the cab. It achieves two things; sells her character straining to see Eve in the alley way to the audience and as a character POV by bringing the alley as close as possible to her in order to spot Eve in the darkness.

  40. Will Krupp

    The fact that Mankiewicz (born in my hometown, btw) knowingly litters the tables at the Stork Club with bottles of Sortilege Perfume is enough of a visual reward for me!

    I have a feeling that Mr. Mankiewicz went out more than one night a week in New York in the 1930's. The nightclubs back then were a trifle more elevated than the ones I experienced in the 1970's & 80's.

    Also, if one walks into Sardi's today between 8-10 PM when it is mostly empty, it is the spitting image of the set in ALL ABOUT EVE, including the caricatures on the walls and the tablecloths.

  41. lark144

    Yes, I was someone who listened to the posters here who said there was no discernible difference between the two CASABLANCA Blus. I finally bought it when the price went down, and guess what? Even on a 32 inch screen there is a world of difference! In fact, I would say the difference is much more radical here than between the two Blus of SOME LIKE IT HOT. The reason is that the first Blu of CASABLANCA, though spot-on in terms of image sharpness, was moderately degrained, and slightly digital looking, which de-emphasized the quality of the cinematography, in particular lessening the ability to see the actual lighting of the film, whereas the second CASABLANCA BLU is truly a thing of beauty. Watching the second Blu-Ray issue of CASABLABCA compared to the first is like watching a completely different film, one that is not only more visually alive, but the difference between looking at an actual Van Gogh and reveling in the array of smeared paint and brush marks, as opposed to looking at a faded photograph. It is more three-dimensional and also a more immersive experience.

    Going back to ALL ABOUT EVE, on the other hand, I'm not certain whether the difference will be that substantial, as the original digi-book Blu was on the highest level of mastering and image capture that was available when it was produced. Of course, that was quite some time ago, 11 years, I think, and the potential for producing totally accurate reproductions of film on digital media has improved substantially. So like everyone else, I'll wait on the reviews.

    Thanks for your input and I do stand corrected. As you can likely surmise, I have never seen the second blu-ray so I was going on recollections of what I read here and other places. After your thorough explanation, I'm actually inclined to acquiring this upgrade at some point.

  42. That startling final image of "Phoebe" reflected manifold in the mirrors with Alfred Newman's dazzling score accentuating her fantasy of stardom gives All About Eve a visual flair at the end that leaves the viewer relatively stunned by all that has gone before.

  43. That startling final image of "Phoebe" reflected manifold in the mirrors with Alfred Newman's dazzling score accentuating her fantasy of stardom gives All About Eve a visual flair at the end that leaves the viewer relatively stunned by all that has gone before.

  44. lark144

    Also, if one walks into Sardi's today between 8-10 PM when it is mostly empty, it is the spitting image of the set in ALL ABOUT EVE, including the caricatures on the walls and the tablecloths.

    I don't think they ever go to Sardi's in the movie, unless I'm just forgetting it? The set with the caricatures on the walls (where Margo & Bill announce their engagement) is supposed to be the Stork Club, or, more specifically, the Cub Room ("where the elite meet") AT the Stork Club, hence the Sortilege Perfume (Sherman Billingsley's calling card) on the tables.

  45. Arthur Powell

    Thanks for your input and I do stand corrected. As you can likely surmise, I have never seen the second blu-ray so I was going on recollections of what I read here and other places. After your thorough explanation, I'm actually inclined to acquiring this upgrade at some point.

    You should. It's really beautiful in a completely visceral way. That first tracking shot about 15 minutes into the movie when the camera passes through the open door of NIck's Cafe and plunges one into a darkness as rich as the texture of chocolate mousse, alleviated only by the shafts of candlelight on the tables and the thin beam of a spotlight that illuminates Sam's finger on the piano is truly amazing, as well as enveloping. I've always wanted to go to Rick's, and now, through the wonder of this Blu, I have.

  46. Will Krupp

    I don't think they ever go to Sardi's in the movie, unless I'm just forgetting it? The set with the drawings on the walls (where Margo & Bill announce their engagement) is supposed to be the Stork Club, or, more specifically, the Cub Room ("where the elite meet") AT the Stork Club, hence the Sortilege Perfume (Sherman Billingsley's gift for female celebrities) on the tables.

    My mistake, then. I was sure it was Sardi's, because of the caricatures. But them, I'm too young to have gone to the Stork Club, but I was taken to Sardi's as a child, so the first time I saw ALL ABOUT EVE I always assumed that was Sardi's. Unlike many NYC night clubs of the 1920's & 30's, the Stork Club was not a place that captured my imagination, so I've never done any research on it. You clearly have.

  47. lark144

    Unlike many NYC night clubs of the 1920's & 30's, the Stork Club was not a place that captured my imagination, so I've never done any research on it. You clearly have.

    It captured my imagination when I first watched the Jim Hutton ELLERY QUEEN series as a kid in the 70's. It was, perhaps, the most famous of those cafe society haunts and there was actually a live series broadcast from there in the early days of television. It achieved some level of notoriety in the 1950's when Josephine Baker accused Sherman Billingsley of refusing to seat her party due to racism. It was quite a thing.

  48. AnthonyClarke

    What a great TV series that was!

    At FIRST I thought you were talking about the Stork Club TV series and I thought, how has he seen this? Lol!

    (It wasn't until Matt's reply that I figured it out, hahah, apparently I'm no Ellery Queen)

  49. Based on comments I'm reading here it is clear posters are unaware that the 2009 Fox disc IS from a 4K master. As was An Affair to Remember that was released on the same date. The upcoming Criterion will likely being using that SAME 4K master which is made apparent by the press wording Criterion chose to use. Notice how the other 4K based master's for the other films are listed as NEW 4K as opposed to Eve's merely stating 4K master.

  50. Tama

    Based on comments I'm reading here it is clear posters are unaware that the 2009 Fox disc IS from a 4K master.

    I don't doubt what you're saying but would you mind telling me how you're so sure? I can't find mention of a 4k master on any of the packaging or in any contemporaneous reviews. I realize that we didn't prize that information so much in 2010/2011 so I don't think that necessarily means anything, but I'm wondering if you have some solid citation? It would be super helpful.

  51. Tama

    Based on comments I'm reading here it is clear posters are unaware that the 2009 Fox disc IS from a 4K master. As was An Affair to Remember that was released on the same date. The upcoming Criterion will likely being using that SAME 4K master which is made apparent by the press wording Criterion chose to use. Notice how the other 4K based master's for the other films are listed as NEW 4K as opposed to Eve's merely stating 4K master.

    Perhaps you and Rob W are correct as Robert Harris has indicated that he started working on 4K masters back in 2007. Until RAH confirmed it, I didn't know they have been working on 4K masters that long ago.

  52. Robert Crawford

    Perhaps you and Rob W are correct as Robert Harris has indicated that he started working on 4K masters back in 2007. Until RAH confirmed it, I didn't know they have been working on 4K masters that long ago.

    They weren’t masters, but rather, full-blown restorations. Multiple going concurrently. While I was working on the GF films in Burbank, Mr. Crisp was scanning Strangelove in N.Y. The video masters were down the pipeline.

    Four projects were the first out of the gate.

    There would be no logical reason to re-scan AAE, which, as I recall, is derived from a finer grain, preserved by MOMA.

    I would be buying the Criterion for new extras.

  53. Robert Harris

    They weren’t masters, but rather, full-blown restorations. Multiple going concurrently. While I was working on the GF films in Burbank, Mr. Crisp was scanning Strangelove in N.Y. The video masters were down the pipeline.

    Four projects were the first out of the gate.

    There would be no logical reason to re-scan AAE, which, as I recall, is derived from a finer grain, preserved by MOMA.

    I would be buying the Criterion for new extras.

    Gotcha! Thanks for the clarification. There you go folks.

  54. Some copies of the Blu-ray shipped without the plastic disc holders (the discs were loosely housed on sticky hubs with no holder, giving the appearance the holders were accidentally skipped over). We wrote to Criterion and they replied:

    We are aware that there are some issues with the Blu-Ray packaging for this release. Specifically that the rubber hubs have resulted in the ripping of some booklets, which is a disappointment and is not what we intended. We will not be doing this version of the packaging again for any other releases. A future batch of ALL ABOUT EVE will have standard plastic digipak discholder.

    These new standard digipaks with plastic disc holders will be available within the next few weeks, if you would prefer to receive that along with a new booklet and slipcase. This replacement option is free of charge to ship within US or Canada and is available for those who purchased through Criterion.com, Barnes and Noble and Amazon. If you'd like replacements, please fill out the following form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfYDPFcEGfi9eufaxvWRBKyoGsV90cCkoXK2_9nzPmMeOTURg/viewform

    Once the new packaging is on the way to you we'll follow up with tracking information.

    They don't mention replacing any damaged discs but I imagine they would if asked. Ours were fine.

    Just a friendly PSA.

  55. Traveling Matt

    Some copies of the Blu-ray shipped without the plastic disc holders (the discs were loosely housed on sticky hubs with no tray, giving the appearance they were accidentally skipped over). We wrote to Criterion and they replied:

    They don't mention replacing any damaged discs but I imagine they would if asked. Ours were fine.

    Just a friendly PSA.

    Ugh- I ordered this title. I hope I don’t have to go through the trouble of contacting them, and mailing back a defective disc. My spare time is limited.

  56. Honestly the discs should be okay, There might be a little residue on the clear center portion but a soft, wet cloth should remove it. They're pretty secure on the hubs. Just be careful with any peeling of the booklet and you will likely be fine on damage.

  57. Traveling Matt

    Honestly the discs should be okay, There might be a little residue on the clear center portion but a soft, wet cloth should remove it. They're pretty secure on the hubs. Just be careful with any peeling of the booklet and you will likely be fine on damage.

    Thank you for your observations and advice.

  58. Noting Robert Harris' point in post 70 and that no-one has said the later Criterion disc has better picture or sound quality than the earlier disc, is it safe to assume the only real difference is the extras?

  59. Just got this in my P.O. box. I really hate the packaging- the glue didn’t affect the booklet, but the discs are held too tightly against the spindles (I’m afraid of bending the discs while trying to free them from the holders).

  60. Robin9

    Noting Robert Harris' point in post 70 and that no-one has said the later Criterion disc has better picture or sound quality than the earlier disc, is it safe to assume the only real difference is the extras?

    Its just the extras, they're not going to rescan this one again.

  61. Robin9

    Noting Robert Harris' point in post 70 and that no-one has said the later Criterion disc has better picture or sound quality than the earlier disc, is it safe to assume the only real difference is the extras?

    The Caps-a-holic caps show no appreciable difference between the two:
    https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=13605&d2=13606&c=5324

    If ANYTHING, I might go so far as the say that the older transfer has a miniscule edge over the Criterion, but nothing you'd even notice if you weren't comparing them.

  62. Brent Reid

    The Criterion has consistently better compression throughout. Using the Ultra Zoom feature on the Caps screenshots shows the Fox transfer has a minute amount of moiring in comparison.

    I used "miniscule" in one direction, you said "minute" in another. I think it's safe to say that, if the differences are so minor that you'd need a magnifying glass to tell them apart, we can pretty much call it a wash, lol.

  63. Will Krupp

    I used "miniscule" in one direction, you said "minute" in another. I think it's safe to say that, if the differences are so minor that you'd need a magnifying glass to tell them apart, we can pretty much call it a wash, lol.

    Some may "need a magnifying glass to tell them apart" but others here, me included, simply watch with a big enough screen.

    As with so many other differing HD transfers, perceived benefits depend on your set-up, viewing distance and other factors. The point is, they're anything but identical. That's important to some folks.

  64. Brent Reid

    The point is, they're anything but identical. That's important to some folks.

    Well, no, they're obviously not "identical," but the question was whether or not there was a great enough difference between the two to warrant an upgrade. Individual mileage may vary and anyone who HAS to own the Criterion should get it (by all means.) I still don't feel that anyone who only has ONE (whichever one that may be) will feel slighted in the least.

    By the way, I'm not seeing what I would call noticeable moire in the cap you posted. If anything, I'm seeing what looks like a more consistent grain structure across the entire sample on the Fox (missing digital blobs like the one under her eye on the other) and a smidge more detail in the full size caps. I would personally still give an ever so slight edge to the older transfer, extras notwithstanding.

    I'm only speaking for myself so you're, of course, not required to agree with me.

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