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- Nov 15, 2004
- The basement of the FBI building
I agree about the actual conflict, and also the consequences that followed because of it and having to finally deal with his Vicodin habit, in the following episodes (and seasons as well?)....
7 - House - ... (The conflict between House and Det. Tritter (David Morse) in Season 3 was one of the highlights of the series.)
(This is a more general question about one's show choices).
When it comes to your top favorite shows, do you find there is a pattern to them (besides nostalgia) ?
I think it’s something more intangible. Engagement. Immersion. Suspension of disbelief. It’s one of those things that’s hard to explain and even harder to fake. The politics and conspiracies of “24” are completely ludicrous on the face of it, but the performance from Kiefer Sutherland makes Jack Bauer such a believable creation that it gives credibility to everything else. Political operatives don’t walk and talk in perfect syncopated beats like on “The West Wing,” but the show’s recreation of the White House and the people that populate it is so sincerely done that I accept what happens within it as real.
I think that’s the commonality - that whatever the worldview of the show is, it’s constructed in a way that makes it seem complete and that follows it’s own internal rules. When I think of those shows I like most, I stop seeing actors on sets and just see real people living their lives. Shows that create and sustain that illusion tend to stick around with me. Shows that puncture that illusion for me tend not to stick.
Usually if something highly technical doesn't pass the "laugh test" / "giggle test", my "suspension of disbelief" is immediately shattered. After that if I continue to watch, I largely just think of it as a comedy + action movie or tv show of the popcorn variety. (ie. Most of the time, it becomes something disposable which I end up only watching once or twice).
With the craziness of the world in the last few years, some aspects of 24 that were off the wall 15 years ago now seem downright prescient.I think we all have different thresholds for suspension of disbelief but for me, whether or not that’s the way things work in real life doesn’t affect it. I buy into fantastical premises like Star Trek, and overly reductive portrayals of real science, like on CSI. For me, the suspension of disbelief comes from how convincing the combination of writing, design and acting come together to sell whatever illusion is being offered. 24 would be ridiculous with any other actor - they tried a spin-off and it didn’t work - but Kiefer Sutherland makes me believe. He doesn’t have to convince me that the show’s conspiracies and politics are even remote plausible - what he does is convince me that it’s real for his character, and that is what makes it real for me.
With the craziness of the world in the last few years, some aspects of 24 that were off the wall 15 years ago now seem downright prescient.
I still watch each new episode and can get a solid laugh or two out of nearly every episode but there's no question in my mind that the show's best episodes were in the '90s. However, if you look at younger fans, you can see people citing episodes from the 2000's or 2010's as when the best episodes of the show were done. They're completely wrong but you do see it.