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Yet, another Fox BR title delayed.

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Crawford, Mar 27, 2007.

  1. Cees Alons

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  2. BrettB

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    Can somone explain to me why you think Fox would announce a bunch of titles for the short term kudos knowing full well that once they weren't delivering they'd get their ass kicked all over the interenet.

    I really don't understand what Fox would be thinking to implement such a boneheaded plan.
     
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    Noticed this very interesting article on EETimes this morning which speaks to the issue of security concerns some studios have about releasing HD quality content.

    The portion of this article that I found most interesting is that AACS, as a specification, isn't even finalized! I wonder if Fox is willing to delay titles another 60 just so they could implement against the final spec...?


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    If you notice they are releasing the "essentials", the big day and date titles that keep consumer interest alive. This goes for Sony, Fox, Universal, Warner, etc. VERY little in catalog titles are being released.
     
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    Since last Christmas was supposedly the season for HDTVs, my guess is the focus is on this coming Christmas being the season for BDs. As long as things get sorted out in time to sell software and Blu-ray players for the holidays I imagine everyone on production end will be happy.

    I know us early adopters want it now, but fluctuations in the format war probably won't mean much until later this year. That's when we're going to see Blu-ray get its game face on.
     
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    Perhaps they were asked to by the BR group to give the impression that BR had more titles. It seems they were premature about releasing these titles as coming.

    Lucas might as well say "Star Wars HD is coming" and it would mean the same [​IMG]
     
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    Yep, some of you nailed it on the head. It's a big Blu-Ray disc conspiracy. [​IMG]

    Some surprising & laughable comments from some surprising sources I wouldn't have expected. Oh well, to each his own.

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    CES was really important for Blu-ray to come out swinging and show how much studio support it had. Turns out, at least for Fox, this was very premature. Spin and how we need for things to look great is very important for both sides. HD DVD & BD want/need to always report the glass is more than half full.

    The stuff like The War is Over that was said back in February by some members of the BD camp was rather silll though....[​IMG]
     
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    While I don't think the idea behind the 'conspiracy theory' is that far-fetched (in fact it seems quite plausible to me), I doubt that is the actual reason.
    AACS and protection could be the likely main reason...(but are they really that paranoid over things like Me, Myself and Irene getting pirated? Puhleeeze)
    Another factor could be the ablitity to replicate.
    Yes they can seemingly get out 100,000 copies of Casino Royale...but at what cost. Does anyone here know how many coasters were created in the process of making 100,000 usuable dual layer BDs? was there space availabe on the lines for Fox to bother pressing what would likely be a low selling catalog title?

    I don't know, I'm just asking.
    As far as the conspiracy theory goes, if perfectly fits in with all the trash talking and propaganda issued at CES. The announcements create a perception, and a lot of people think that they can create their own reality thru well managed propaganda. And I really believe that the BD side feels they need to win this quickly, whereas the relatively lower costs associated with HD DVD production will allow that side to slog along a little more comfortably, a little longer- hence their seeming more lacksadasical nature in regards to announcments.
     
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    A *lot* of these titles were announced pre-CES with actual release dates and some were literally pulled last minute.

    There is no conspiracy. The same thing holding up everyone else's catalog releases is holding these up: the wait for AACS fixes. Until then, expect only day and date major releases.

    If anything, there are more & more BD replicators and BD stampers coming on line. Most of these pushed back catalog titles are BD25s.
     
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    Looks like the AACS finally developed a new encrytion key. We'll see now if Fox starts releasing catalog titles again.


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    I don't understand... why do people have such a hard time believing that the Fox delay is due to AACS?

    (1) Fox has been very clear from the beginning that pretty much the entire reason they support BR is because of the enhanced security.

    (2) As has been questioned before (by someone who seems to think it's NOT AACS, ironically), why would they announce a fleet of titles (which are not really major or important titles anyway) if they know they will be pulling their release dates soon? They would certainly know that the PR implications of this would be disastrous.

    (3) Why would PaidGeek lie about the reasoning? If it is some sort of conspiracy by Fox, wouldn't he just keep silent on the topic? And if it was a joint conspiracy with Sony, why wouldn't their releases be affected in the same way?

    (4) If it was due to lack of replication facilities, why wouldn't Sony just allocate the resources to the bigger releases? Surely they wouldn't just unilaterally decide that 95% of Fox's product would have to wait, especially given how important Fox is to them in their game plan? It would make much more sense to delay some of their own smaller impact titles than to piss off one of their key allies. And if they did piss Fox off why would Fox not rat on them and point the finger rather than taking the blame themselves?

    All these people with their big conspiracy theories seem like they are just seeing what they want to to me... I don't understand logically a single one of the alternate theories, while the reason given by PaidGeek matches up EXACTLY with what we know about Fox.

    Can someone convince me otherwise?

    BTW I have no love for Fox's pricing or DRM madness either, and despise the whole BD+ idea. But I see no reason for all these ideas that Fox purposely mislead people with their release list.
     
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    Yep.

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    Not all of us think the same way when it comes to accepting or rejecting certain reasoning behind our thoughts and conclusions. I've accepted that outcome a long time ago so I don't concern myself on trying to convince others to my way of thinking, but that doesn't mean others can't discuss such conclusions to their hearts content.




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    No. I'm sure no-one can.

    So, now the AACS keys have been replaced (two weeks ago), they will announce a load of releases next week, right?


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    It's no wonder that Fox representatives chose to stop participating on this board long ago.
     
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    You don't even know the particulars of that situation so it's probably best that you quit while you're ahead regarding that statement.





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