Yet, another Fox BR title delayed. (1 Viewer)

[Cees Alons]

Not scared of. Against it, especially the technical concept.

Why bring this up again, Peter? I'm not really prepared to discuss it once more here in this thread or at this moment. If you wish to ignore it, or simply disagree, fine.
I personally think no consumer should be happy with the design though.

Some explanations of my disgust were posted before in several threads you also contributed to.

(For instance here: see post #18 and #22.)


Cees

 

[PeterTHX]

Because you are painting a worst case scenario, since the majority of standalone players will not be internet connected. Anything can be misused. If any studio abuses it they'll be called out the same way BMG was (and had to pay compensation).

What if BD+ is transparent and completely harmless (as I think it will be). What then?

 

[ppltd]

Since the majority of BD players now and for the mid-term future are PS3's, my guess is the vast majority are network connected. While most standalone players currently do not have network connectivity even as an available option, this is a small percentage of BD players in use. As far as BD+, I have no opinion.

 

[Reginald Trent]

Maybe this also caused Universal and HD DVDs lack of titles also.

 

[Cees Alons]

The script can permanently modify the player without having to use any internet connection.

And if the distributor of a BD you bought wants you to connect to the internet, you will have to or else the disc won't play. In fact, it's the whole idea behind the concept that the disc could want to obtain a key (or whatever) from a distant server. And send some info.

But again: it's not the internet connection per se that makes it a very bad concept. It's the fact that the player must run a script from the individual disc (if present).
Why, do you think, most of the modern e-mail clients specifically warn you before opening any file (e.g. a Word document) that could possibly run a script or macro?

BTW: I don't know if the current players (including the PS3) are BD+ conforming. Perhaps not, because the Java functionality isn't working either. Or perhaps they are.


Cees

 

[PeterTHX]

All BD players have it, it's in the 1.0 spec.
It's the authoring & pressing plants that have to be modified to implement it.

I seriously doubt Fox is willing to engender the kind of wrath and hate that BMG experienced with the rootkit fiasco. If it's misused we all will be there ready to pounce. But until then you can't seriously claim it's dangerous. I mean, with HD DVD rips appearing on the net...what's to prevent some inventive hacker from inserting a malicious firmware into the bootloader? Especially if managed copies become infected. Since HD DVDs take quite some time to load, it could very well be too late before a consumer realizes his firmware has been compromised.

 

[Robert Crawford]

Let me step in here and say this current discussion needs to take place in the appropriate thread because some of us don't wish to rehash this old argument again. Thank you.





Crawdaddy

 

[PeterTHX]

OK, but isn't it appropriate here since this is the reason for the delay (implementing BD+) ?

 

[MarekM]

I agree that is it probably rehashing of old arguments... but as Peter mentioned on of the reasons of those delayed titles is probably implementing of BD+, maybe we will know if FOX will start again making several releases each week....

And from what I read on net, I am more inclining to what Peter wrote..

Cees I think you are painting it too black, I think FOX or any other studio know potential danger, and I am sure they will think not twice, but many more time before they will put out something wich can put off their customers from buying their products.

Marek

 

[Robert Crawford]

I think I've made myself perfectly clear with my prior post!




Crawdaddy

 

[Robert Crawford]

Why did Fox release Eragon, a recent title while holding back some catalog titles that weren't exactly big titles?

 

[Cees Alons]

I agree with Robert that it most probably isn't the reason for the delay at all.

Also, and Robert is right about that too, I said before that I don't really want to go into that BD+ discussion again, especially not in this thread and especially not if basically the same old arguments ("no one will dare to use it in a n improper way") are brought forward again, and again, and...


Cees

 

[DaViD Boulet]

Robert,

While I respect your wish to continue debate/discussion about the pros/cons of BD+ in the appropriate thread, it's been made clear from several industry sources (some at AVS on the public boards) that the hacked security is one of the big reasons behind Fox's recent delays. Perhaps Eragon (besides being a horrible movie... hehe) was already far enough along in the production pipeline that they decided to go ahead and release it while other titles that had yet to be pressed got put on the shelf until BD+ could be implimented?

Naturally Fox isn't going to publically state that it's their paranoia of piracy that's behind their recent delay... statements like that are rarely forthcoming especially after having already embraced a release strategy as they had done with BD. The best we'll get are the tidbits shared by insiders at AVS and private contacts.

There is also strong indication that the hack prior to CES was why Universal suddenly got very quiet on their release front.

Both of these studios will probably ramp up production once concerns are addressed... either by increased security measures, an eased conscience about the whole issue of pirating (as in accepting its inevitibility and deciding to take their chances with profits of fair sales), or a combination. But certainly Fox is very interested in increasing the security of its BD titles for the future, and we probably won't see a new landslide of disc releases until they feel that's been appropriately addressed.


These sources have provided extremely accurate information for over a year now. Paidgeek is an in-the-know Sony representative and knows what he's talking about.

 

[MarekM]

Robert,
I think it is best for every studio to relase SAME DATE for DVD and Blu-ray to make a max PROFIT...., but you are right that they holding titles that were not very big...

Marek

 

[Cees Alons]

When you mention, may I say "golden", sources of eternal and absolute truth like that, Dave, who would even dare to doubt the, uhm, pearls so abundantly thrown at us.

But perhaps I'm a swine....


Cees

 

[DaViD Boulet]

There's nothing priviledged about the information I shared. In fact, it had already been posted on page one of this thread and for some reason went ignored. That Sony source has already domonstrated his legitimacy and accuracy for over a year now. What reason would we have to doubt him? Spend some time reading the last year's worth of posts by him to gain a better insight into his history if need be. His comments have always been accurate.

 

[Cees Alons]

Dave,

(1) There was no personal attack (not intended and not present) and (2) I still don't believe it.
Sorry for that!


Cees

 

[DaViD Boulet]

thanks for clarifying... edited my post. Naturally you're entitled not to believe him! though bear in mind he's got some very established credibility (ie, not a random poster) and his idendity as a valid industry source has been approved by the mods at AVS which is what they require for anyone proporting to be an "insider" in that thread. Of course, even insiders can be mistaken when they're given bad information themselves. Why... look at how Amir (microsoft) kept telling us that dual-layer 50GB blu-ray would never really happen...

 

[Cees Alons]

Yes, I'm not saying he's a constant liar, or anything like that. Certainly not.
But there's no doubt that these people do have something of other agendas (even: rightfully so).

And there are a few inconsistencies in the whole picture. Sony releasing Casino Royale, Fox not meeting several deadlines, yet bringing out a few other titles...

Well, we all need to believe what we do believe.


Cees

 

[DaViD Boulet]

everyone's got an agenda, that's for sure.

BTW, bear in mind that Sony may not be as roused by the security issues as Fox (ie, Casino Royale). Paidgeek was sharing Fox's views on the matter, not (necessarily) Sony's in that comment.