Yamaha S1500 does do BM!

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  1. Rob Kramer

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    Hey

    This may already be common knowledge (not to me - I was away on a trip). Looks like there are more settings than are available in other (
     
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    Awesome! Thanks for the info; this player is looking to be a winner for the $400 range IMO, in fact the only thing it seems to be lacking in a DVI/HDMI output. I think this player will be perfect for those looking for a quality universal, but can not afford the Denon 2200.
     
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    Great initial news. I do wonder what the crossover point is though. I think the Pioneer 563A does BM too but it's fixed at way too high a point (200hz?). The Denon 2200 is fixed at 80hz I think which is about right for my tastes...
     
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    Crossover point is user selectable. 60, 80, 100, or 120Hz

    Denon doesnt let you adjust rear speaker distance. This affects the imaging between the front-rear speakers at the sweet spot. Not a problem though if your rear speakers are equidistant from the listening spot as compared to the fronts (yeah, who has THAT setup).

    The 2200 replacement (2910) is sure to fix that. Yamaha better get into the game prior to august. I would pay the extra $300 for equivalant (if not better) audio ~and~ HDMI upconversion.
     
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    Thanks a ton, Rob! [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Where did you come across this info, just out of curiousity? A bunch of us have been looking for detailed info on the Yammy 1500 and haven't been able to find any. I'd love to see the rest of the specs on this as I'm looking for a low-cost Uni player (2200 too $$$, 563A too cheap and does DSD to PCM).
     
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    Rob, I know the merits of this can be discussed and debated, but I'd rather just feel comfortable knowing that this unit doesn't do it if the price premium isn't that great (which in this case it isn't).
     
  8. Rob Kramer

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    Fair enough.

    I believe the problem is that Sony is also responsible for hardware side (chipsets) that provide features (BM being one) in the DSD domain, and they have been lacking in that department.

    Its easier for manufacturers to convert SACD to PCM, in which there are a lot of available solutions (chipsets that are already on the market).

    The other choice would be to develop their own DSD solution (which would be costly).
     
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    I almost missed this thread! glad to know about the bass management the Yamaha 1500 has!
     
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    Supposedly the 1500 is due out in June, this month.

    I am debating between getting this or a refurbed Denon 2900. What say you?
     
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    Also note, the Yamaha page at this site indicates May '04 as avilability. I guess it should be soon.

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    According to my rep, dealers should have the 1500 toward the end of july.

    The 1500 has better BM, better warranty, and is 150~200 cheaper than the refurbed 2900.

    Besides, the refurbed 2900s wont be shipping any time soon anyway.
     
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    The 1500 looks good enough on paper that it might even be better in some ways than the already existing s2300.

    Yes or no? (I know it's hard to determine this without actually using it...)
     
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    s2300 not that good IMO.

    100hz (120?) crossover and no delay/distance settings. 2200 and 2900 better than that with their fixed 80hz (but still no dist settings for sacd).


    Is someone looking at the new 941 or the pio 578? Onkyo will a have few noobs this summer also. The new denons will also kill the price on the 2900 (maybe down to $400 for b-stock). The s2300 just doesnt do it for me.
     
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    So, what would you suggest? Wait for the s1500 or move on a refurb 2900 or what?
     
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    If possible, I would (do) suggest waiting. Now Im not saying that the s1500 will be better than the 2900. Im just saying that, if you can, wait and see whats plays out this summer. I would actually like to see an Onkyo solution (other than their be-all/end-all SP-1000).

    If you cant wait, and require top notch hi-rez audio right now, I would say go for the 2900 (definately not the 2300). Good luck on getting a refurb before august. Ebay will be your best bet (for "right now" use). I believe $600-ish is the going rate.

    By the way, what type of system do you currently have?
     
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    Another route ...

    You could get a good dvd-a player (such as the new panny s97 w/ hdmi), and pick up a refurbed/used higher-end sony (or other) sacd player for temporary use. Upgrade the sacd player with a good unit later in the year (since it is the sacd hardware that is the big hold-up).
     
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    I am using the Zenith DVB318 for movie watching and am very happy with it.

    I want an awesome player primarily for audio purposes, universal.

    It will be attached to an HK 630. I can wait until Fall, this isn't a real rush.
     
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    Hi,

    I'm new to this forum.

    I just read the manual. Apparently bass management is only applied to SA-CD, not to DVD-Audio by the S1500. Or did I miss something?

    Alvin
     
  20. EricRWem

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    No, looks like you're right. Now, since this unit has yet to hit the streets, I wonder how current that manual is?...
     

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