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WWDC 2019 Live discussion - Was: Sooo umm Apple just released new MacBookPros

Discussion in 'Apple' started by Sam Posten, May 21, 2019.

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  1. Ronald Epstein

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    Here's the thing. I'd have a hell of a lot of problem spending $3k on a laptop with a GPU that's half the speed of a shitty 1050ti. These AMD mobile GPUs are literally garbage.
    https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-vega-20.c3263


    What could they possibly choose from AMD that's better this year? F if I know.
     
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    Sam,

    I love Macbook Pros. But you and I know they always fall short on power.

    My latest MBP has the i9 Processor and 32GB of Ram. I have been doing a lot of work in iMovie and I have to tell you, the MacBook chokes on CPU power. It really amazes me that in this day and age there can't be a laptop that nears the performance of a decent desktop.
     
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    The i9 is a damn fine CPU. CPU don't mean shit for video work. It's all about the GPU.
     
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    Well, let me put it this way and you figure it out...

    I have iStat Menus. My CPU goes through the roof when using iMovie. When the CPU shoots up like that, the entire laptop slows down.

    Now if you claim GPU is actually the problem, perhaps one goes hand in hand with the other. That is outside of my pay grade to know that.

    And, if GPU is the issue, maybe I should be spending more on a better graphics card in my next model?
     
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    Your CPU is through the roof because your GPU is too weak to fully handle the job by itself, so it's using both as hard as they will go.
     
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    So I probably need to go a step up from the standard graphics card being offered in these Macbook Pros then.

    Don't know if I can go all the way up to the top offering.
     
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    If you aren’t gaming on it there’s no need. You aren’t going to see much change in day to day video use with iMovie. If you were doing FCPX and 4K resolution or transcodes it might be worth it
     
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    ^ some googling indicates no one knows and Apple isn’t saying. It appears to be substantially single-threaded CPU, but I can’t find a solid answer in 15 min of searching.
     
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    According to Apple, iMovie will use the discrete GPU in a 15" MacBook Pro.

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202053

    Mind you, this doesn't tell you how much benefit it gets by doing so.
     
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    Well, that's money saved on the 16"MBP configuration. I may use that money to move to a 2TB SSD. We'll see...
     
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    I know you guys aren't interested in Minis, but I have a couple more at work that need upgrading from the 2011 models. Is there word of a spec bump on them? I'd be happy with the base model going from a quad i3 to a quad i5, just to get some turbo boost.

    Any word?
     
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    Yep! The mini will be updated in 2022!
     
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    Sam's wrong on this, based on Thomas's reference that iMovie uses the GPU. If iMove is your bread and butter, you should consider buying the fastest GPU you can.

    Now, what you really should do is wait for benchmarks, or even go to an Apple Store after release and run your own tests to figure out what variant MBP to buy. But you're putting your money on the barrelhead preemptively, so my advice would be to get the fastest GPU you can if video editing and processing is your key computational use.
     
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    Just hoping for a spec bump, smartass. ;)

    Of course, Apple really has earned that slam with how they treated the Mini between 2012 and 2018.
     
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    I don't do any video processing, beyond HandBrake, and I don't know what Ron's workflow is, but there is the option of a powerful, external GPU connected through TB3 when working at home. You'd also have to use an external monitor with it, and you obviously can't really take it with you on the road. I'm just tossing that idea out, so Sam can shoot it down. :P
     
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    You are reading what I am saying wrong. What Ron is doing with his iMovie is not going to be significantly enhanced by having a faster GPU. He's not transcoding. He's not doing doing 10+ layers. He's not using iMovie more than a couple times a month.

    So the baseline GPU will be absolutely fine for what he does. He could get the better GPU and never even notice the difference. Other than the missing dough in his pocket.

    If you want to game on the MBP you should get the best GPU you can buy. If you are doing solidworks, zbrush, blender or any other 3d tool, you should get the best GPU you can afford. But you need to know that even the best GPU is going to suck for these tasks.
     
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    But seriously, @Sam Posten it used to be typical for Apple to do an annual spec bump on models that didn't receive major upgrades. It seems like they don't do that anymore. Not a newer processor, just a bump up to the next clock speed, usually in the fall. Is that in the past?
     
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    I have no idea. No rumors on this stuff. Even if they do you are going to see less than a 10% difference.
     

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