WSR Reviews 5th Element Superbit DVD

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  1. GregK

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    http://www.widescreenreview.com/newr...thelement.html
    It's worth a read, VERY interesting comments on both the
    video and audio. Like the previous Warner Brother DD/DTS
    DVDs, the Dolby Digital dial norm setting is at the -31
    (defeat) position, so both DTS and Dolby Digital tracks
    should be close in level.
     
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    Fifth Element really isn;t one I expected we'd see any major difference in (and sure enough say WSR, we hardly do). I remain skeptical over the whole Superbits issue, but my eyes are now on the look out for reviews of Crouching Tiger superbit, then we'll really see if dropping all extras does anything for presentation.
    Dan (UK)
     
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    Hmmm..going to have to wait until I see some more reviews before saying yes to the 'bits.
    Todd B
    [Edited last by Todd_B on September 20, 2001 at 10:45 AM]
     
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    They didn't seem particularly impressed one way or another with "Superbit" but Widescreen can be a bit picky in their reviews (They said Deep Red was dated looking in the picture/transfer quality...let's just say I dissagree) but they did seem interested in the higher Dolby Digital bit rate.
    I'll see if I can find this to rent somewhere so I can see & hear for myself if "Superbit" is more than just a ploy to get videophiles to spend more cash.
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    Kwang,
    It's the only way to see I think. AFO anf Fifth Element releases of the past were so minimal on extras (non existent of Fifth as we know) am I shocked to see the Superbit versions are hardly any different? No.
    I agree with your comments on the previous CTHD transfer. Crouching Tiger should actually be a good title to see if Superbit really is all that.
    Dan (UK)
     
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    I am going to wait for a couple more reviews before making my decision, but right now it looks like I may have to pass on 5th Element.
    On the other hand Air Force One looks like one I will have to get (i did not buy the earlier version). I guess it will all come down to if any of the local retailers are going to run specials on these. For some of these titles (Johnny Mnemonic especially) it does not make sense to pay almost twice as much compared to the original version for a very moderate improvement.
    J
     
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    I'm curious if they will actually remove the EE.
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    Donnie, WSR still speak of edge enhancement in their superbit Air Force One review.
    Dan (UK)
     
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    Sounds like the same old transfers with higher bit rates. A total waste of time if you ask me.
     
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    Doesn't sound like Superbit is worth it.
    Looks like I won't be replacing my Gattaca DVD with the Superbit version.
     
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    This is somewhat disappointing. If there is only a "a slightly more refined-sounding spatial resolution," why am I going to bother spending $20 to upgrade? If that is the case, I'll stay with the current version.
    It's my understanding that the bit rate on the dts track isn't all that much higher than the Dolby Digital. Is this true?
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    For Columbia to create a niche product line geared for US, people who HATE EE, you'd think they would not use EE! What is their problem?!
    I also think WSR was amazingly inept in their DEEP RED review. It's one of the best DVDs I have ever seen.
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    Seems odd that Columbia would target specific movies like Fifth Element which many concider the Holy Grail to show off your hometheater to redo. Or, does it?
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    If your DVD player is capable of playing Region 2 discs, you might wanna check out the german PAL 2-disc S.E. version of Fifth Element.
    Anamorphic Widescreen 2.35:1
    Dolby Digital 5.1 EX german
    Dolby Digital 5.1 EX english
    DTS ES Matrix 6.1 german
    DTS ES Matrix 6.1 english
     
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    Of course we should not read too much into a review by WSR. I may catch flack for this but I feel that they are the single most ignorant and clueless dvd reviewers on the face of the earth. They come across as tech-geeks that have no understanding or love of film as an artform and how various films should not all look and sound like STARSHIP TROOPERS. And they also seem to lack any appreciation of restoration efforts on older films and low budget B pictures. I have seen titles that looked better than anyone could ever have dreamed get ripped apart by WSR because they felt the transfer looked "dated" and god forbid a dvd has a mono soundmix.
    These are the same people that gave all of the following a 4.5 or higher in video.
    -Stargate (both versions)
    -Rob Roy
    -Backdraft
    -Highlander [​IMG]
    -Dangerous Liaisons
    -Color Purple
    -Thief
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    Well said, Brian. I am waiting for reviews of the CROUCHING TIGET superbit. The current DVD does have a lot more artifacting than I like to see.
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