A friend whom I haven't seen for several years has just moved to the area where I live and I went over to help him set up his HT system. He still had the equipment he bought due to my influence several years ago so I kinda figured it'd be a little flat.... BUT I was so wrong! His equipment is an Elite receiver which was the best one they made back then (94-95)and was pro logic. His speakers were B&W 600i all around and his sub is a Mirage PS12. He still uses a laser disc also. I am still wondering what made this sound so good? Does laserdisc have so much room that sound is more true or what???? We played several LD and all were just tremendous but the most dramatic part was that SUB.... it was so deep and just pounded the hell out of me! I came home and turned on my system which is TODAY"S products with a SVS pc sub and everything was as good or better except for the sub..... This pretty much is telling me that my svs is not a musical sub but it IS superior for movies. And is is not a small difference but a night and day difference. Our homes are just about the same room arrangement and size and subs are in the same corner. I have to admit I was surprised and now am a little embarrassed to turn on any music on my system when he is over. I played with my calibration, ART 351, the receiver, the sub and I still cannot get it to do anything close to his sub on music! I'm disgusted but proud for him. He has parties where the music is the main thing and I am more a movie buff. He still gives me the credit for all his purchases and I'll have to say, he has some great stuff. His "other" room includes some vintage Marantz equipment and some JBL 4311 Monitors among other goodies. He always did buy the best..... I still feel that I am missing something!