Jack Briggs
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Peter Fitzgerald's list was very ecumenical, cross-sectional, and cross-era. Nice!
I had a chance recently to revisit the early Godzilla films and saw how the first movie (even the American version with Raymond Burr) is a good movieI have been a proponent of the original Godzilla for some time. Having only seen the American version I was very surprised to learn it wasn't the original Japanese home-market version. There is a great deal to like about Godzilla and I even think it one of the best Japanese films of the era. Once I get the DVD I want to do a full review of it because it's a very good movie in many, many, ways. There's a lot of symbolism and allegory; things hidden and unspoken but felt very clearly. I also love the cinematography.
Resident Evil was god-awful.Speaking of which, there's another movie coming out which I remember being linked to from penny-arcade's site and I swear to god thought was a joke. I think it's House of the Dead, the video game, which is being turned into a movie. THIS will be a sure-fire contender for worst movie ever made when it comes out. I think they actually got a budget for their "actual" theatrical trailer, but the overall stupidity oozes from every shot.
As far as my opinion on some really terrible movies, 2001 just about did it for me. I've seen the movie quite a few times for film study and twice out of my own free will to be unbias. I hate it. No lectures please! (My flame suit isn't on)
I think for the most part a lot of us posted a good deal in the thread regarding "movies you've walked out on" too.
As far as my opinion on some really terrible movies, 2001 just about did it for meSaying you hate it is one thing Gregg, but claiming 2001 is a really terrible movie is... really terrible, doesn't make sense, by what criteria do you think that masterwork is terrible? Badly made? Visually poor? Terrible use of music? Slow moving? No space battles?
Even tripe like Armageddon compares favorably with movies shot on just a few thousand dollars and with production values more in line with a grade-school stage play.Here again I have to disagree with the premise of this list. I personally would say that the amount of pain and agony inflicted on me by a movie should indeed be proportionate in some way to the effort expended. Therefore, I would say Armageddon is infinitely worse than any of those cheap 40s or 50s B movies, simply because it was enormously, ungodly (by the standards of that era) expensive, it came after decades more experience had been gained in the art and science of film making, and it was still painful to sit through. So, double strikes against.
There's my rant. If you seriously want to talk about "worst," I think these concepts all have to be there.
Lots of people have posted comments about movies being terrible (ex.Deliverance) and haven't justified why they thought they were bad. Why does Gregg Shui suddenly have to justify why he thought '2001- A Space Odyssey' was terrible?Sacredness?
It's been said before by others, but I'll say it again.
Like trying to come up with an absolute set of criteria for the best films ever made, coming up with a absolute set of criteria for the worst film ever made is either damn near impossible or plain pointless. Why? Because of common gound or relativity.
No one is the absolutely authority when it comes to setting down the rules for what constitutes the best/worst films ever made. You're going to have different paradigms of thought when it comes to that.
There are such things as informed opinions, but when it comes down to it, what is considered "informed" is still a set standard by one group.
Take for example, Armageddon. By one establishment and account, it is vilifed to no end. Quick-cut/MTV style editing that leaves no room for thought, a disregard for science, melodrama that jerks around the audience, and you're left with an assault that offends your intelligence.
That's one school of thought. Now here's another: Quick cut editing that allows for the assimilation of a lot of narrative information in a short span of time, action-packed moments and suspension of disbelief that harkens back to pulp sci-fi filmmaking, and emotions and situations that people can readily identify with.
Who's to say either one is the correct way of thinking? Not me. And I hope nobody thinks their way is either.
We've basically espoused our views on films we hate which correlates to what we see as the worst films ever made.
My idea of a great film is one that can be enjoyed at its most basic, narrative level and beyond. I personally hate films where you have to intellectualize it in order to enjoy it. If you're going to do that, why not just have a round table discussion? Waste of time if you don't bother with a good narrative IMO.
Personally, I hate From Here to Eternity. Gold-digging bitch and a dumbass extraordinaire make for a nauseating experience.
I'd say more, but I'm tired. Exercise will do that to ya, especially when you're trying to lose weight and look good for the ladies. Being in the bargin bin just wasn't that fun anymore.
Saying you hate it is one thing Gregg, but claiming 2001 is a really terrible movie is... really terrible, doesn't make sense, by what criteria do you think that masterwork is terrible? Badly made? Visually poor? Terrible use of music? Slow moving? No space battles?I hope this isn't supposed to be attacking my taste in movies at all. Independence Day was full of eye candy and space battles but was no Casablanca by any means. Honestly, I probably could name a few more movies I hate more than 2001, but those should be understood already: From Justin to Kelly, Gigli, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 etc... I found each instance of watching 2001 to be an ungodly boring experience. I did like the cinematography and some intellectual stimulation, but didn't care at all for the story or characters. Nothing grabbed me.
Are we really going to get hung up on this? I actually liked Armageddon, does that negate all my opinions thus far? I love Rashomon and Seven Samurai, but didn't like The Hidden Fortress. I like most any other Kubrick films but simply felt this, along with Eyes Wide Shut are my least favorite. I might include A.I. on the list as well, though many would argue that's Speilberg's fault... mainly cuz he directed it.
If you really are a purist about 2001, you can PM and try to show me something I've perhaps missed before; I've been swayed once, regarding Star Wars. I used to hate it, now I tolerate it, but don't get me started on Episode I and II.
It's not fair to dump on a movie if you've only seen the MST3K movie. ..... That is, they were distorted to make them look more ridiculous.I doubt the Mads could make Manos: The Hands of Fate or Creeping Terror any more ridiculous than they are already. These movies stank long before MST3k worked their special brand of reviewing.
As the Hollywood proverb says, "You can't polish a turd."
ANY Monty Python movie
Troll 2 Worst. Movie. Ever.
Runner up: Armageddon.
It's just too subjective. One man's trash is another man's treasure.Which is why I usually do not pay attention to bad reviews. Generally, if a movie gets a positive review, I agree with the reviewer. But sometimes, with a negative review, I still enjoy the movie.
I'd like to start a "movies I like that most people think are bad" thread.