I know you guys will appreciate this, since no one out here in the stix does. I just got a new receiver! Yeah! I get to replace my old Technics SA-R477 (Dolby Surround, not even Pro-Logic). I even got a Denon no less! AVR-1803, not top of the line, but more than I can imagine I'll even need. I got a really great price, from an authorized dealer--$299 shipped from e-cost.com (Yes it is refurbed, but doesn't have a scratch on it.) Oh, and a new DVD changer with it, Denon DVM-1805, $149. And I found the receipt from the Technics; I bought it at Silo (RIP) in 1988 for $469. What a bargain! Now I don't feel like the poor stepchild. Now back to my playing with the new toys. Thanks for letting me gloat a little bit. Bob.