bujaki
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Johnny,
Elsa Lanchester, his wife, was his "beard." Since she survived him, he never shaved it off.
Elsa Lanchester, his wife, was his "beard." Since she survived him, he never shaved it off.
Not to derail the thread but since others have brought it up, the term "beard" is not to be taken literally. It's a slang term to describe a woman who is being used by a homosexual to cover up his sexual identity. It does not, in fact, apply to Mr. Laughton who was bi-sexual (not a speculation, it's been acknowledged by his contemporaries). Since Laughton was bi-sexual, it negates the term "beard".Johnny Angell said:I don't recall him having a beard in many roles. How did he not have to shave it off? Was so light as to be invisible?
Kinda similar to your reaction to someone opining that Faye Dunaway is truly terrible in the truly terrible MOMMIE DEAREST, isn't it?Thomas T said:But I totally understand how some people don't like other people trashing their cinematic darlings
Not at all. I have no problem with others trashing Dunaway's performance at all. I just offered an alternate opinion that in other quarters, her performance is greatly admired (I think everyone can agree the film is a dud). She missed winning the best actress award from the New York film critics by a few votes (Glenda Jackson won).Will Krupp said:Kinda similar to your reaction to someone opining that Faye Dunaway is truly terrible in the truly terrible MOMMIE DEAREST, isn't it?
Johnny Angell said:Do the studios go out of their way to make the covers butt-ugly?
I must have been extremely backward then, because it came as a big shock to me when i saw it on first release!Thomas T said:There's a "twist" in the film that even the most backward child can guess.
And here I've always thought that Pauline Kael was inane but moderately entertaining.Thomas T said:I don't want to start an argument, David. I'm just trying to keep things in perspective (even Pauline Kael called WFTP "inane but moderately entertaining").
I guess it's a personal reaction. The appearance of a bulls-eye overlaying Laughton makes no sense, in relation to the film. Having one of his eyes blotted out by the center of the bullseye is just ugly, IMHO.Douglas R said:Oh - and I was just about to say what a great cover!
It is, of course based on the original artwork and I'm glad to see that Kino Lorber is retaining the original artwork for all of these UA releases.
I've had similar reactions myself. Count me in as one of the lucky ones who don't guess the surprise ending.Douglas R said:I must have been extremely backward then, because it came as a big shock to me when i saw it on first release!
I think you're wrong in suggesting moviegoers at the time easily guessed the ending. It's important to remember that in 1957 a twist ending was exceptionally rare. It was certainly the first one which i saw, which no doubt magnified the surprise. Off-hand I can't even think of similar twists in films prior to WITNESS. Nowadays every other film has to have a twist ending and if one expects them, then it's much easier to work them out.
I actually saw the Diana Rigg remake (when it first aired in 1982) BEFORE I saw the original and I was also totally shocked by the ending. I've never had the pleasure of seeing the 1957 version without already knowing what was going to happen beforehand but I always enjoy the way it plays out..Douglas R said:I must have been extremely backward then, because it came as a big shock to me when i saw it on first release!
If you haven't seen the film, do not openDouglas R said:I must have been extremely backward then, because it came as a big shock to me when i saw it on first release!
At that point, I'm sure many people made the same erroneous assumption that Charles Laughton's character makes when that is revealed. The "twist" isn't so much the scene you reference as is the reason behind it.Thomas T said:If you haven't seen the film, do not openThe inadequacies of Dietirch as an actress were obvious when I saw the "mystery" woman with a scar. I knew it was Dietrich right away! Hence, it was obvious she was complicit in covering up her husband's crime
I'm not going to get into an argument about it, but in her autobiography Lanchester revealed that Laughton had periodically cheated on her with men for which she forgave him. If that's your definition of bi-sexuality, then so be it.Thomas T said:Not to derail the thread but since others have brought it up, the term "beard" is not to be taken literally. It's a slang term to describe a woman who is being used by a homosexual to cover up his sexual identity. It does not, in fact, apply to Mr. Laughton who was bi-sexual (not a speculation, it's been acknowledged by his contemporaries). Since Laughton was bi-sexual, it negates the term "beard".
Of course, bi-sexuals were closeted, I never said they weren't. The issue is whether as a bi-sexual man as opposed to a gay man, Laughton needed a "beard". Bi-sexual meaning attracted to or engaging in relationships with both sexes. Clearly, Laughton and Lanchester had a long and loving relationship and Laughton wanted children but Lanchester was unable to conceive. I don't know what your definition of bi-sexual is but certainly Laughton is an example of bi-sexual man.Mark-P said:I'm not going to get into an argument about it, but in her autobiography Lanchester revealed that Laughton had periodically cheated on her with men for which she forgave him. If that's your definition of bi-sexuality, then so be it.
Oh, and by the way, bi-sexuals had to be closeted back then too!
That's not a bull's eye. If you've seen the film, you should remember that Laughton's Sir Wilfred uses his monocle to focus on a person's eyes when they're telling their story as a means of catching them in a lie. He does it to both Power and Dietrich's characters in the film's first half.Johnny Angell said:I guess it's a personal reaction. The appearance of a bulls-eye overlaying Laughton makes no sense, in relation to the film. Having one of his eyes blotted out by the center of the bullseye is just ugly, IMHO.
I get that, since you've pointed it out. However, it's not really a picture of a monocle, more like a big blob of white blotting out his eye. IMHO.Matt Hough said:That's not a bull's eye. If you've seen the film, you should remember that Laughton's Sir Wilfred uses his monocle to focus on a person's eyes when they're telling their story as a means of catching them in a lie. He does it to both Power and Dietrich's characters in the film's first half.
Exactly like it looks in the movie when the light hits it - a big white blob over his eye.Johnny Angell said:I get that, since you've pointed it out. However, it's not really a picture of a monocle, more like a big blob of white blotting out his eye. IMHO.