Windows Vista: Fear Thread...

Dennis*G

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Not sure Ron, looks like plain bad luck. Size seems OK. This is the size of my iso file.

3.12 GB (3,355,598,848 bytes)

hopefully MS sends your dvd quick
 

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Hmm. Here are alternate links via the Inq:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32295

Ron, as to your point:

I don't know if this is still the case, but MS has cautioned all of us all along that Vista is NOT NOT NOT an Upgrade to XP, and they strongly recommend either a fresh format or putting it on it's own partition. So, I have never tried to install within WinXP. The disc should be bootable when burned. That's how I would try onto an unused partition.
 

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I can't possibly do a fresh formatted install.

Has anyone here simply installed Vista over their
XP as in an upgrade process?
 

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From what I am reading on other forums, it looks like
it must be a CLEAN INSTALL rather than an upgrade.

Now to decide If I want to do this or not.

Of course, I'll backup XP first.
 

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I'm downloading 64 bit now. I've been using XP64 for a while, but if Vista has better hardware support then XP64, I'd consider it.
 

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Microsoft is nearly all marketing - sizzle, but no steak.

Bill, baby, get a life.

As for Windows, I'd be happy with a tidied up XP - better arranged menus, better Help files, clean work spaces without superfluous tool bars, dozens of childish icons, and with dialog boxes that can be read.
 

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OK, I downloaded the 32X edition, and just installed it now thanks to a trial of Nero.

The install took 45 minutes on an AMD 64 3500+ Laptop plugged into the wall outlet, with 1024MB's of memory and an ATI graphics card.

After the install, it took about 5 minutes to boot up after the install and get to the setup screen. Next, the setup menu:Keyboard, Username/Pass, computer Name, Date and Time screens. 1.5 Minutes to boot windows after that. next came the 'Logging In' and 'Prepare Desktop' messages came up, this took about another 3 minutes. Finally, Windows Booted up.

One of the first things I did was install missing drivers. It's a nicely designed layout, and easy enough to understand. It gives you a few different choices I have to explore if it dosn't find a driver.

Outlook 7 has junk email filters finally. if this is the standard outlook, no more need for Office Basic's outlook.

I'm still exploring, but i like the graphics. Not sure if i like the layout. Anyway i can take picturs of the install screens while it's installing for a detailed review?
 

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I decided to partition my new Lenovo laptop and install Vista.

My Lenovo is a dual-core with 2GB of memory. Perfect to run Vista.

The install took about an hour and was pretty effortless. When my
computer boots I have the option of booting into VISTA or WINDOWS XP.

Though my initial impressions of Vista are rather good, let me
concentrate on the BAD...

I think what others have said here are spot on in that Vista is
not even close to being revolutionary. To put it plainly, it's
basically the same old windows that has been spruced up with
nifty graphic enhancements.

In fact, I find the overall user experience to be rather aggitating
in the fact that EVERY install, file movement or change that you
make to the operating system are met with an arsenal of warning
pop-ups.

Furthermore, the MY COMPUTER (now called COMPUTER) contents
are horribly laid out. All the files and folders are now all mashed
together under headers A-H, I-P and Q-Z. I just don't like it and
wonder why it's necessary at all.

On the other hand, many functions have been greatly simplified
including connecting to a network, changing the appearance of
computer or adding new hardware. The software does seem to
be more novice friendly.

Most noteworthy to talk about is the new hibernation feature.
From the revamped START button simply hit the POWER icon and
your system instantly shuts down in hibernation mode and
just as instantly powers back up with everything intact.
It's a huge improvement over the XP hibernation process.

With all the hype surrounding its release, I am not impressed at
all with Internet Explorer 7. I immediately ditched it and downloaded
my trusty Firefox browser which works fine under Vista. In fact, I
was quite pleased that MANY of my programs are working fine under
Vista including Mailwasher Pro and Barca Email.

There are some driver problems. I couldn't install drivers for my
Belin Pre-N network card. I was able to go to CONTROL PANEL ->
HARDWARE DEVICES and do a search for the driver to update.
The card worked until I rebooted my laptop and now it no longer
functions.

I was able to easily connect to my wireless network using Vista's
connection wizard now more simplified than ever.

I also can't install Trend Micro PC-Cillin. At time of install
the software reports that it has found an unsuported platform.
I have much fear surfing the Internet without any virus protection
installed.

The GOOD news is that the graphic enhancements are really
nifty. Windows dissolve in and out and the aero-glass display is
very attractive. It's amazing that the real appeal to this software
is the graphic enhancements rather than what's under the hood....

...and that's the overall problem.

Vista attempts to dazzle with its enhanced graphics, but it's nothing
near as impressive as the photos I have seen of the Macintosh OS.
The side toolbar is a nice addition for widgets, but honestly, I think
that Yahoo Widgets is far better.

At one point my email program locked up during a SEARCH. Hitting
CTRL-ALT-DEL no longer immediately brings up the task manager.
You need to go to an additional menu to bring that up. I was rather
impressed that the program closed effortlessly via a dissolve-out
once I told task manager to close it.

I saw absolutely no sluggishness within the Vista environment. I was
able to move through its functions without any sense of delay. From
what I understand, this system will work best for those with at least
a GIG of memory.

You know, I love playing with this new OS. I love the graphic
dissolves and even the beautifully rendered games that are
included (Such as Chess Titans). However, underneath the hood
it's the same windows software now filled with roadblocks at
every turn that ask for permissions or warn you of potential problems.
It's these roadblocks that makes its overall usage more cumbersome.

Finally, I must say that I am not at all happy that Vista will not
be "upgrade friendly." Essentially, those wishing to migrate to the
new software will have to back up their most important information
and format their computers and begin with a clean slate. I also
suspect that early adopters will be faced with software that just
won't work because companies may not be upgrading their software
fast enough to support the new OS.

One would think that all these years since XP entered our homes
that Microsoft would have given us something "bigger" than Vista.
In fact, if you have followed the news over the past year, you
know that Vista's promised features have drastically shrunk. It
seems that as usual, Microsoft would rather meet production dates
than concentrate on giving its users an operating system that can
stand up against the competition.
 

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In fact, I find the overall user experience to be rather aggitating in the fact that EVERY install, file movement or changes that you make to the operating system are met with an arsenal of warning pop-ups.

Furthermore, the MY COMPUTER (now called COMPUTER) contents are horribly laid out. All the files and folders are now all mashed together under headers A-H, I-P and Q-Z. I just don't like it and wonder why it's necessary at all.>>>



I found the Warning Popus EXTREMLEY Aggrivating as well, especially for something as deleting a Start Menu Program! I thought maybe I didn't have Admin rights, but I found that a setting under control panel controls this option. I'll have to find it again to tell you where it is, but as far as I can tell, this feature CANNOT be turned off.

I like the Glass effect as well, and all the cool animations. Somethings are easier like Device and Network Connection...I also like the Clock in the Widget section(Must be He-Man fans). But like you, I found the Win Explorer terribly confusing and tough to get used to. I REALLY hope Microsoft is actually listening to these complaints rather than just pretending too..

Anyone know how long the Beta 2 will be operational if kept on my system?

Neil
 

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It sounds just about right when testing an unfinished product. Big software companies like MS need all the help they can get and they need feedback from all the beta testers (as in free help) to minimize all the bugs before the product's initial launch...
 

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The pop-ups can be turned off, wish I could remember where that was done, but the spare hardrive I installed it on crapped out on me (now I remember why it was stashed away) but keep looking, you can disable it....
 

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Hmm, weird. My Laptop Hard Drive seems to have died on me last night two while using Vista. Could that be the culprit?

Even when I tried loading Vista on the Portable Hard drive, connected to the laptop, the LT would not complete the instilation and boot up windows. It just kept on restarting.

THe error I got on the LT HD was MBR Error 1 and 3
 

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