Will we ever be able to see Apocalypse Now in it's true OAR??

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  1. Christina_V

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    I just bought Redux for $17 & while i don't have time to view it right now. I did check out the trailer & then a couple brief scenes to see what ratio it was in.
    Wow.......it looked like 1:85,only slightly wider. yet the trailer was in 2:35 & when comparing the two......such as the scene where Willard is being escorted by harrison ford & another guy. They are slightly cropped offscreen in the film,yet in full veiw in the trailer!
    What gives? I could've sworn the video i rented released by Paramount years ago in WS was close to 2:35,though slightly "wider" where the bars didn't take up as much of the screen as usual.
    Is the the first dvd the same ratio as this? I never had a chance to view it + don't own it(yet).
    So will this awsome movie ever get released on video in it's real OAR??
     
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    the first dvd ratio was 2.0:1 as it seems thar the cinematographer prefers that now. theatricly i think it was 2.35:1.
    don't know what this new one is.
    thew remasterred laser from a few years ago was 2.35:1.
    anyoneplease correct me if i'm wrong.[​IMG]
     
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    Apocalpyse Now is, as I understand it, presented in an AR of approximately 2:1.

    This is a deliberate choice of cinematographer Vittorio Storaro. The same is true of the first Apocalyse Now DVD as well as Tucker: The Man and His Dream.

    As far as I know, only the films he did for Coppola have been reformatted that way.

    I think it sucks, as do many others, but I think it is unlikely we will ever see it any other way, except theatrically.
     
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    No video version of Apocalypse Now has been framed at or near 2.35:1. Previous laserdisc and DVD editions have been framed at approx. 2:1, the same as the new DVD edition of Redux.
     
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    The movie was filmed in 2:1 on a frame of 2.35:1.

    Everything was composed to fit the 2:1 ratio for 70mm showings. 70mm is 2.10:1, so that's close enough.

    You're not getting the wrong presentation. You're getting what was intended for the small screen.
     
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    Will we ever see this film again in its true OAR? you ask. As opposed to its false OAR? [​IMG]
     
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    I never realized that they had modified the AR for release on Laser disc. It would be nice to actually see the movie like I originally saw it in the theatre. That being said, it is still better to see it at a 2:1 ratio than P&S. I remember AN being one of the first movies I rented when I first bought my Betamax VCR. I remembered it being a pretty decent film when I saw it theatrically, so I was anticipating a memorable watch. It was memorable alright....memorable for being completely boring. The movie was completely ruined, everything looked cramped and the cinematic scope was totally lost. I shut the thing off without even finishing it and never rented it again until I got a laser disc player. The laser disc version reminded me a lot more of what I had seen in the theatre and it all of suddenly became a good movie again. That is why I know that P&S is butchery.

    I cannot believe Coppola is allowing Storaro to do what he is doing. What is worse is that with the 2:1 ratio watching it on TV is probably closer to 1.85:1 because of overscan. Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    "...Also, keep in mind that those men are filmmakers. They should not be concerned with how the film plays on television while they are making it...
    ...now there's a naive statemen if ever I saw one...
    . . .
     
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    C'mon Hendrik, surely you could see what Neil was getting at. Coppola and Storraro couldn't have possibly been thinking about anything other than a theatrical release when they made this film, home video was barely on the radar.
     
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    I agree with Neil all the way on this one. Cop and the cinematographer didn't have home video in mind. It boggles the mind why they've chosen 2.1
    The framing is too tight in certain sequences.[​IMG] [​IMG]
    Still a great film [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    "...when they made this film, home video was barely on the radar...
    ...well... ahh... SONY's BETAMAX had been around for quite a while, and MATSUSHITA's VHS was introduced a couple of years prior to the original release of AN...
    http://www.hypernova.co.uk/total_rewind/vhs.htm
    . . . [​IMG] . . .
     
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    I watched Apoc Now again this afternoon. The framing is too tight in some scenes.

    I'm certain that he had 2.35:1 in mind when shooting it. 70mm blow-up was an after thought.
     
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