Why Won't Robin Williams Retire?

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  1. Peter Overduin

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    When an actor makes increasingly bad movies, after making perhaps one decent one in his whole career, would it not occur to him to retire?
    Death to Smoochy? Are you kidding? Its one thing to be a lacklustre actor who makes marginal films with low appeal and no interesting story lines. But surely he has enough money in the bank that he doesn't have to degrade himself to this level? At least leave while people don't think you are a complete idiot. After this film, he won't even be able to do that.
    C'mon Mork...[​IMG]
     
  2. MikeM

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    Ummm...wait until "One Hour Photo" comes out....then I have a feeling you're really going to hate him.
     
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    Some people still have fun making movies. They enjoy what they do. In this case, we are talking about an actor who is also respected by his peers,as evident by his nominations for and eventual winning of an Academy Award.

    My personal opinion is that Robin Williams likes to do some of everything. Sure, he's made some stinkers. But he's also done some good, edgy stuff that most actors would be afraid to tackle. Not only that, but I have never seen a film with Robin Williams where I did not feel that his performance was the best that could be done with the material. And don't forget that he gets paid for every movie he does.

    To sum up, this discussion reminds me of a quote by Marlon Brando: "I would stay away from Hollywood, but I don't have the willpower to refuse the money." (not a verbatim quote)
     
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    Robin Williams annoys the heck out of me, but why should he retire bevcause you or I don't like his movies? I would guess that he hasn't retired because he doesn't want to stop working and he still gets offered parts. And I'm sure the money doesn't hurt either [​IMG]
     
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    Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think that "Death to Smoochy" looks hilarious. This is the only movie I have been the least bit excited to see this year. I'll be there on Friday. [​IMG]
     
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    As this thread has veered back into talking about Robin Williams' movie, it is now veered into the Movies area.
     
  10. Mark Pfeiffer

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    I've seen it. It's okay, I guess *shrugs shoulders*. I wouldn't recommend it. Outrageous for the sake of being outrageous but never really all that funny. It held my interest since it is different, but that's about all I can say in its favor.

    Robin Williams was getting lambasted for taking all those sappy, squishy roles, and now he looks to have done a 180 degree turn. There's Death to Smoochy, One Hour Photo, and his bad guy turn in Insomnia.

    I think what bothers me the most about Williams in films anymore is that it all seems so forced, like he's become a parody of himself. We'll see how the other films look, but Smoochy didn't do it for me.
     
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    Smoochy looks appealing to me more for the concept than Robin Williams. He's lost me the past few years with doing films either as his same tired schtick or trying to go dead serious instead.
    I thought he was great in Good Will Hunting because he didn't shy away from some laughs but nor did he run screaming into the camera for them either.
    I'm just tired of Robin Williams playing in X film as, basically, Robin Williams. Another commedian whose quickly running down the same path is Chris Rock.
     
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    How could you not like Williams? He's been nominated for many academy awards. He's a fine actor. Obviously, he realized he was turning in the same type of performance every time, because now he's playing some psychotic characters. I wouldn't be surprised if he got a nomination this year for one of his performance. Perhaps One Hour Photo.
     
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    OK, I'll be the first to agree that the Robin Williams of recent years has generally been a sappy and insufferable doofus. This irritating trend began in 1990, when he starred in the sloppy-yet-still-admired Awakenings. Apparently weary of low-grossing comedy vehicles like Cadillac Man and Club Paradise, he decided to travel the "family flick" path for a while, and we were then subjected to movies like Hook, Jumanji, Nine Months and Mrs. Doubtfire.
    He managed to star in a good comedy in 1996 called The Birdcage, but then promptly followed that one up with a non-stop barrage of crap like Father's Day, Jack and Flubber. Then came his Oscar-winning performance in Good Will Hunting, then What Dreams May Come (a movie lots of people bash, but I actually like) and the truly vile Patch Adams.
    Since then, it's been Jakob the Liar and Bicentennial Man. More schmaltz. So now it's back to the present day, and Williams (or more likely his agents) have steered him away from the cinematic treacle, and 2002 has him in three rather unqiue-looking performances: Death to Smoochy, One Hour Photo and Insomnia.
    While I'd be the first to steer you away from a LOT of William's movies, I still believe that this guy is one of the funniest people on Earth. Yes, his comic genius has - in recent years - been muted by his overwhelming affinity for appearing in heavy-handed and tiresome claptrap.
    I'm a bit disappointed that Mark P. didn't dig Death to Smoochy, as I thought it was freakin' hilarious. This one marks a welcome return to the manic Robin Williams of old, and with each profane raving he came close to the Robin Williams I remember quite fondly and still admire.
    Smoochy is a movie that I think will polarize moviegoers. Perhaps I liked it a bit more than most people will, but it's tough to knock a movie this gleefully dark and truly funny. Plus, it does have something to say, which is something that most comedies don't even attmept.
    I think Smoochy works as a clever (not brilliant, but clever) satire on commercialism, a devious black comedy, and a raucous and very vulgar sitcom as well.
    To the fellow who started this thread, all I can say is that I think it's bad form to judge a film based solely on "how it looks".
    I'd contend that if you're a fan of the "old" Robin Williams, then you'll have a good time with Death to Smoochy. Ed Norton and Catherine Keener are also quite great, although DeVito and Jon Stewart are a bit one-note in some underwritten roles.
    Death to Smoochy is the kind of flick that you may adore, yet you can still see how others might not dig it. As for me, I consider it the second best movie of the year thus far. The best movie of 2002 (so far) will be opening on the same day! [​IMG]
     
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    Michael, I saw it at an advance screening, which is how I see most films. There were some scattered laughs, and I don't doubt that some will get a kick out of it. I didnt.

    As for Williams, just because he's playing a different type of character doesn't mean he isn't playing "Robin Williams". He actually repeats a couple things he said in Mrs. Doubtfire in Death to Smoochy. Oh, and this film seems to have come three or four years too late in regard to the Barney thing.

    And Scott, I'm giving it a "C" on the grading scale (or two stars). Maybe I wasn't in the mood for a film this nasty. A better gauge for the film might be Adam Resnick, who wrote the screenplay. I thought Get a Life (the TV show) was really good, but I remember hating Cabin Boy and Lucky Numbers.
     
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    Scott,

    You made my day. My wife can't wait for Death to Smoochy, and I can't wait for the "other" film you mention (if it stars a lovely 2 time Oscar-winning actress and is helmed by a genius) if we are on the same page.

    Thanks for the quick and dirty!

    Take care,

    Chuck
     
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    Don't feed the troll.

    (don't watch RWilliams films if you don't like them)
     
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    Damn these critics who linger around on the HTF [​IMG] , always seeing the most anticipated films early and just teasing us.
    As for Robin Williams I can't stand the guy....99% of the time. I really hate his comedies, and hate him even more when he does an interview on television. But I always seem to give him a chance, I did like his performance in Good Will Hunting and thought the road was looking up from there but then came Patch Adams, Flubber etc [​IMG] .
    This is the year where I think Williams has a good chance at showing that he is more than just an 'idiot' most of the time. One Hour Photo, Death to Smoochy and Insomnia all look like a turn for him and they all have my attention to give them a look at least.
     

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