why isnt there any hype regarding svs ss?

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  1. felix_suwarno

    felix_suwarno Screenwriter

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    i saw the flagship sub, but couldnt find any thread about it here. i wonder why. is it too expensive? i dont think so. i may not have the dough to buy it, but svs is not known for expensive sub ( compared to its performance ).
     
  2. Jeffrey Forner

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    Looking over their website, I think that the SS models have not started shipping yet. Hence, nobody would have one yet.
    That said, I have a friend who's thinking about getting one, which makes me insanely jealous, because he'll have bass that's better than my 16-46PC, and that cannot stand! [​IMG] At the same time, I realize that if he does get one, I'll have the opportunity to hear one and find out what Ron and Tom can do with a price-is-no-object product, and that should be very fun.
     
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    Jeff:

    And then because it is such a killer sub and there is no way that your friend could possibly own a sub that is better than yours you will decide to go broke and just get one of them anyway. Just be sure to post some pictures of it when you get it.

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  4. Jeffrey Forner

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    Parker;

    Although we've never met, it feels like you already know everything about me!
     
  5. Joe Cole

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    Aren't the SS subs about beauty more than super bass? For the cost you could get 3 double Ultra Sub sets. I doubt if the SS has that much bass output.
    It is a beauty. And from its discription by some it does plum the depths well. [​IMG]
     
  6. JoelO

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    From what I remember reading/hearing about the SS, performance wise would be very similar (exact same I think, but not sure) w/ the Ultra. They use the same driver. The only difference is the enclosure...

    Joel
     
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    I think Joel is right. Its a "cost is no object I want it to look damn good" sub. They'll even match wood for you so you can get it to look just like you want. It'd be sweet to have, but I think I'll do fine with a pair of CS+es once I get a house.
     
  8. Michael R Price

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    I think the SS uses a new 12" driver with some absurd (30% more than the Ultra driver, I think Tom V said) linear excursion meaning 2 dB or so more output in the normal HT bass range. Plus the cylinder will be tuned to 16 Hz, so it'll have more output than a CS-Ultra with the extension of a 16-46. So I heard. Plus it looks amazing.
     
  9. Joe-T

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    The SS is definitely the most powerful and beautiful of the SVS line. If you want the best performance with limited space and had the money, it probably is the ticket to bass nirvana, but for the same amount of money, you could get 3 pairs (yes SIX) 16-46 CS+ subs with three S1000 amps. This is assuming you have the room and don't mind the "decor" of that many huge subs. Of course that many subs and that much bass is only for the most insane subhumans.
     
  10. Steve Stogel

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    As far as the SS goes, yes it appears to be the best of the best and the SVS "cost is no object" sub. However, they're not as expensive, I think, as some people are thinking. The $5,000 package is dual SS subs, the Crown K1 amp, and the Rane EQ. The easiest way to compare the price is to just look at the sub-only price.

    Yes, $1,900 is a bundle, but that's hardly like saying you could have six 16-46+s with amps for the same price. I know we get $5,000 stuck in our heads when talking about the SS, but that $5,000 package comes with a bundle of stuff (and the most expensive "stuff" to boot). So, instead of one SS, you could have (for just a bit more) either three 16-46+s ($1,950) or two Ultras ($1,920). But it is the best of the best, and at some point you stop getting the same dollar/dB ratio. The SS obviously isn't going to give you the best dollar/dB ratio at SVS, but it is the best looking sub that SVS puts out, without a doubt. And when comparing the dollar/dB ratio against other manufacturers, I'd bet you'd be hard pressed to get more for $5,000. Just my two cents.

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  11. Joe-T

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    Oh definitely, I agree Steve. The SS sub is still an incredible bargain compared to other manufacturers. I would easily take dual SS subs with the K1 and Rane EQ over a Krell Master Reference sub that costs 6x? as much. It is the best of the best and gives the greatest performance in a single tube. I was just comparing it to the CS+ line to show just how incredible a bargain the other SVSs are (as much as I like the CS+ subs, I couldn't take six of them, HUGE), but the SS subs definitely fill an important niche in the subwoofer industry. Even if the driver and overall performance were exactly identical to the Ultra, the increase in cost for the top notch elegant enclosure is very reasonable when you compare it to the cost premiums other speaker manufacturers charge simply for a different real wood veneer (e.g. rosewood).
     
  12. Steve Stogel

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    True. True.

    Of course, knowing the guys at SVS, I'd be willing to bet the SS gives at least some improvement over the Ultra. If Michael is remembering right about the SS driver, it looks like the SS may give you 2-3 more dB in output and still extend down into 16-46 range. I'm thinking dual 16-46CS+ performance, but I'm pulling this right out of my as...well, right out of the air :b. And I know what you'r saying Joe-T. It may look incredible, but unless I win the lottery, I'm just way too into bang for my buck, so the Plus line (and even the regular CS line...which is what I have right now) will have to do for me.

    Steve
     
  13. John F. Palacio

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    Joel states:
    "They use the same driver. The only difference is the enclosure...
    Joel"
    Hate to disagree, Joel, but from the pictures at the SVS Website the two drivers do NOT look alike.
    Maybe Tom or Ron can shed some light on this.
    [​IMG]
     
  14. felix_suwarno

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    i wonder what they would do 5 years from now. bigger, transparent enclosure? bigger subwoofer?
     
  15. Joe-T

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    No, the SS drivers are not the same as the Ultra's drivers. I believe it gives some 30% more linear excursion (2-3 dB extra headroom). Also it is tuned slightly lower than the Ultra to roughly 18Hz(?), I think that's what Tom said in a reply. Just look at that beauty of a driver, I would almost rather have a sturdy plexiglass enclosure (or better yet, Transparent Aluminum (STrek IV)) than the wood because it is such a shame not to be able to see the engineering and effort that went into building the driver.

    I think the only similarities to the other SVS subs is the sonic signature and enclosure shape. It appears that the entire SVS line sounds very very similar with differences in maximum output, and the SS being king.
     
  16. JoelO

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    My bad... for some reason I had the impression that the SS & the Ultra use the same driver. From this thread, it seems like they would be different. How much different, I don't know.
    Joel
     
  17. John Sturge

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    Well guys, if people starting reviewing the SVS SS as the one of the best subwoofers SVS makes and the best on the market, then $5,000 for the package WILL BE A BARGAIN . It might even be considered cheap comapared to the $32,000 Krell sub(Dual 20-39 CS+'s can outdo that piece of garbage, from my demoing, expensive doesn't mean good), Krell's are just sometimes like that though, really overpriced. Anyway, I like the vents on the SS, and can't wait to hear the rumbling reviews!!!
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