Why isn't there any discussion of "Wonderland"?

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  1. JohnRice

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    I've seen it twice and thought it was pretty good. I'm surprised to find there is only one thread barely discussing it here.

    Interesting cast, which I liked. A possibly successful return from the land of hopeless self obsession and Nikon commercials for Val Kilmer. A surprisingly good performance from Kate Bosworth, and so on.

    Surely plenty of people here have seen it and have more to say than the easy "the critics trashed it" comment.
     
  2. Gary->dee

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    I'm trying to figure out if this is a good blind purchase or not. I recently saw the trailer for it while I was in London and it looked pretty cool. I'm a Val Kilmer fan too so that helps.
     
  3. JohnRice

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    I liked it quite a bit, in spite of some flaws. Still, it seems very devisive. I'm reading some reviews that absolutely hated it with a passion. I also want to point out the most of those seem offended by at least one of two aspects of the movie. 1) the Rashomon like quality of the story telling. It leaves the viewer with absolutely no real idea of what happened, other than their own impressions and opinions, but not in at all the same way Rashomon does. It seems several people are unfairly dumping on it for using a similar story telling style, but not the exact same style. I find this rather ignorant and elitist on their part.

    2) The violence. One review I read makes it sound like 100 minutes of head bashing, which is completely untrue. There is one brief scene (about a minute) at the end that is thoroughly horrific without being nearly as graphic as it could have been. Wonderland would probably not even make it into the top 50 most violent movies in my opinion. It is also completely baffling to me that several of these same critics had no problem with Irreversible, which is probably the most horrificly and graphically violent movie I have ever seen.

    On the whole, I like the ambiguous nature of Wonderland quite a bit. I also like the fact that it exhibits so well that truth is often more terrifying than any fiction.
     
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    Loved it - I have it on order. The documentary on disc 2 is facinating as well.
     
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    I was pleasantly surprised by it. Not one of my all time favorites, but definitely watchable. I don't get what the violence rap was about. I have certainly seen far bloodier movies than this one.
     
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    I thought it was OK, but nothing to write home about. I really couldn't get over Val Kilmer's portrayal of John Holmes though. Even physically, he looked nothing like him, and was about 30 lbs too heavy to play the coked-up porno star. Normally that doesn't bother me but it did in Wonderland.
     
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    I kind of agree with you Matt, but I also mostly don't. Kilmer "looked" almost exactly like Holmes in his mannerisms, which is what really counts to me. He also looked a great deal like him physically, though he definitely wasn't as skinny as Holmes. He was also too short. A talented actor would have grown six inches for the part. :p)

    Still, it looks like Kilmer lost a fair amount of weight from the last time I saw him in those Nikon commercials about a year ago.
     
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    I have also wondered why there wasn't more discussion on this film, it was pretty much dismissed....not that it is the greatest crime thriller in the world but if you watch both the docu WADD & the original crime scene video on the DVD before the actual film I think it gives you a much better starting reference in time & place both for the date and the man and subsequently you IMO get more out of the film...should the film have did this for itself? Maybe, but this isn't an easy task to accomplish in only 99min, plus give all the sorted details of the case and present it with anything even close to an interesting story.

    I liked the film quite a lot & I am rather sorry that so many people haven't seen Val Kilmer's last few films like this and the superior Salton Sea, because I think they were some rather strong efforts.
     
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    I liked this movie alot and will be purchasing it very soon. I thought it was very well done and Dylan McDermott was great in it.
     
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    I've seen this on the pre-viewed Blockbuster shelves, which would make it 10.00 with the recent sale. Haven't seen it - not sure if it's worth a blind buy.
     
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    Cameron, I wouldn't recommend it as a blind buy for anyone I didn't know. An awful lot of people dislike it a fair amount.

    Jeff, I had no idea that was McDermott as David Lind. I even went back to a closeup and froze it for amout a minute and still couldn't recognize him.


    I've been wondering if Seth was going to drop by with a comment. I thought Wonderland might be the type of film he would like.
     
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    The editing bothered me in the first and last 15 minutes or so, but other than that I found it quite compelling. Interesting film with great performances.

    Also, it would make a great 2 hour anti-smoking ad - everyones smoking in every scene and they just look absolutely dreadful, unshaven, bags under their eyes, blotchy red skin, with all that smoke wafting around their faces!
     

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