I have noticed that many members here and on other boards seem to be overly concerned with the manufacturer remotes that are included with components. If one is willing to spend $$$ on a receiver and $$$ on a DVD player (let alone mega $ on separates), wouldn't it make sense to get an economical/ergonomic learning remote? I don't know about all of you, but the last thing I want on my coffee table is a pile of remotes. The first thing I do when I setup a new component is program its most useful functions into my learning remote. So why is it that I often here bitching and moaning about how "all of the buttons on my Denon remote are the same size", or "i wish my Panasonic remote had longer range". I'm not only referring to negative comments, but positive ones as well. When reviewing a component, why even waste your time commenting on how nice the included remote is?