Whoa!! Could DVD rental be banned?

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  1. Terry H

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    If this is true and in the long run cannot rent DVDs anymore, I will NEVER buy a Warner Bros. movie AGAIN!
    Of course, apparently the same thing was said about VHS and that never happened. Although, if it does happen, hopefully ONLY WB DVDs will be excluded in DVD rental and they hopefully will lose money in doing so.
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    Let me get this straight. If the court decides that it is software, then DVD's cannot be rented there, and therefore maybe here.
    If they are movies, then down under they can't be rented.
    Sounds like a no-winner, err loser to me. Oops!!!
    Unfortunately, I can see Warner ceasing producting of their disks, though, but that's another story. Good find!
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    Of course Warner wants to kill rental, they have their VOD system just about ready for wide release. Then they get all the money, all the time! They know, and Blockbuster knows that physical movie rental on new films is going the way of the dodo in the next 10-15 years, and they just don't care anymore
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    The arguments -- though maybe not the conflict -- could never happen here. First, the U.S. "First Sale" doctrine explicitly allows rental of copyrighted material, with exceptions only for CDs (no renting) and arguably some software.
    Second, if Warner were actually stupid enough to argue that DVDs are a form of "software," then every online civil libertarian in the nation would collectively jump up & down and celebrate. You see, computer software is subject to copyrght exceptions in the U.S. which aren't nearly as clear-cut for videos & CDs. It is explicitly legal in the U.S. to make back-up/archival copies of computer software. Hence, *poof* goes all arguments Warner has been making for the last two years over DeCSS, SDMI, the entire DMCA in general, the 5C/HDCP processes, etc.
    Warner would never dare say that in public, not on these shores!
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    But Matt, wasn't that the whole point? If DVD's are declared software in Australia, then the courts here could say the same, and the rental business would fold up.
    If they are declared movies, then they can't dictate to Australia any other rental policies.
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    But if it`s declared software, studios could "licence" you the disc for a time, ex. 1 year after all you have to re-pay a licence, like Silicon Graphics charge for it`s product.
     
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    Glenn,
    I think what Matt is saying is that if they are deemed software they could no longer encrypt the code on the DVD because it is legal to make a "backup copy" of your own software. If that happened anyone who purchases a DVD could make a copy for "their own records", then who knows what would happen to their copy. In other words the problem that Microsoft has with software piracy would be amplified for all DVDs.
    Matt - tell me if I'm misinterpreting your post
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    I'd much rather see DVD rentals 'banned' than have them go to VHS pricing ($99 for new releases!)
     
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    Call me dense, but this thread made one aspect of Warner's master plan clearer to me of a sudden. They won't release their massive library of films on DVD because they're getting VOD ready to go. That always seemed to have a hole in it to me, since it was foregoing the revenue stream of sales. This discussion made me realize that at sell-through prices, rental places can buy the discs at Best Buy or wherever themselves and rent the films out. So in order to keep Blockbuster and mom & pop from getting a share of the rental revenue by purchasing sell-through discs, they're preventing sell-through as well. Clever rascals, they are.
    I do sincerely hope VOD is an enormous multi-billion dollar bomb and Warner's gigantic film library thereby ends up with its video rights being sold to MGM, who would at least release it on DVD.
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    I scanned the article, but I couldn't tell from it that this would result in a ban on DVD rentals. But if it does then I'm torn. On the one hand we can get DVD out of J6P's hands and perhaps have less P&S concerns and more catering to the enthusiast who buys. On the other hand I won't be able to rent DVDs and we could possibly be looking at less DVD releases because there would be less revenue. I wouldn't mind not being able to rent. Buying it is cheaper than seeing it in the theaters anyway. And making it an enthusiasts' medium instead of a replacement for VHS has its advantages.
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    I hope they do consider it software and DVD's become unrentable. My reason it will stop Blockbuster from pushing the studios to make Full Frame Pan & Scam crap. Then we would only have to fight off J6P
     
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    Christian - I think his point is that, at present defeating macrovision, deCSS or SDMI is in contravention of the DCMI Illegal, not impossible.
     
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    While I agree that if DVD's 'became' software here in the U.S. the studios could still encrypt them, but wouldn't defeating the encryption be legal?
    Logic tells me that I would think that the studios would not want them to be classified as software, and thus in Australia they would remain DVD's, and the rental copy would be made illegal there. I think they messed up.
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    If Warner is doing this because they want to promote their VOD program later on, then it reminds me of when NBC tried to put the Olympics on PPV in the early 90's. They lost millions upon millions! Warner will find this happening as well and will go the way of Divx!
     

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