Who needs USB 2.0? Apple announcing Firewire2

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  1. Patrick Larkin

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    Apparently, news of Firewire2 has leaked out before being officially announced today at Macworld.
    USB 2.0 was the speed king for a few months and now will be not only overtaken by Firewire2, but thoroughly trounced in speed.
    Smartdisk has already announced a Firewire 2 hard disk capable of throughput up to 800Mbps.
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    Unfortunately a USB 2.0 pci card can be gotten for $25 but a firewire card costs $50. I bet firewire 2 card will cost even more. Devices aren't going to sell if the pci cards cost so much. Firewire is awesome, but the price has got to come down if it is going to survive.
     
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    Until it's cheap for the PC it will be a niche. Sounds good though, I just hope it catches on.
     
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    Firewire PCI cards are available for $25. I think I only paid $19 for the one in my HTPC.
     
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    Cards? We don't need no stinkin' cards!

    Built in Firewire 800 in all Macs by summer, I'm sure. And just like Apple's introduction of USB and Firewire spurned thousands of peripherals, so will Apple's intro of Firewire 800.

     
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    Firewire picked up on the PC only because of camcorders. (although, the pcs still have no good software to deal with the raw dv). In the Mac world, there is a vast array of Firewire based hard disks, tape drives, and anything else that requires a huge pipe to move data. Not to mention the iPod which seemed to even win over some PC diehards.

    FW800 is only on the most elite Mac there is so even Apple knows its a year away from mass adoption. But if you've ever slurped in DV from a DV camcorder, you'll agree that doing it in half the time is a MAJOR improvement. Its only a matter of time before all Macs and iPods are FW800.

     
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    Their may be a ton of firewire peripherals but is anyone actually buying them? I still know many mac people and they don't own any firewire stuff.

     
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    I'm a big FW800 backer. That said, I don't see how you are going to "slurp" DV from a camcorder any faster unless the camcorders are redesigned. The video still needs to be imported from the camera in real time, which it currently does under FW400.
     
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    Man a firewire 800 iPod would be sweet.
     
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    Probably a Stupid Question....but with max read/write speeds on most hard drives at 100MB/s...how much does it matter if your external crap can run at 480 or even 800 MB/s? Won't the bottleneck be in the PC? Or am I missing something?
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    I bought a fw pci card for my legacy Mac for $19. Works perfectly, fast as my scsi internals.

    USB 2.0 is still a serial connection, and tasks the cpu accordingly.
     
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    Alright, let me amend that to

    "No DV product that you are likely to be able to afford during the useful lifespan of Firewire 800 and/or the DV format"
     
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    The first generation of portable firewire drives allowed footage to be recorded straight from the camcorder. They even got their power straight from the camera. Has that feature been removed?
     
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    No, that's a feature of firewire, carrying device power on the bus

    The tape storage drives basically just take the incoming datastream and write it to disc. You are still limited by your playback mechanism
     

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