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Which is the best subwoofer for $500-$600?

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Jorge O'Neill, Oct 16, 2001.

  1. Jorge O'Neill

    Jorge O'Neill Auditioning

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    Could you give me your suggestions? Please no SVS as I live in Portugal, Europe and the shipping rates are too high.
    Many thanks
     
  2. Brian Corr

    Brian Corr Supporting Actor

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    Check out the HSU VTF-2. It can be had for $449 with free shipping in the US. (doesn't help you much, but gives you an idea)
    It is near the top of Tom Nousaines list for output and is often well reviewed.
     
  3. James Edward

    James Edward Supporting Actor

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    I second the Hsu VTF-2. It kicks like a mule, and goes down low.
     
  4. Steve Scott

    Steve Scott Auditioning

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    Can someone direct me to Tom Nousaines output list. I remember seeing it but can't seem to find it. Thanks
     
  5. Jorge O'Neill

    Jorge O'Neill Auditioning

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    Many thanks for your suggestions but unfortunately the HSU subs are also not available in Portugal. Any other suggestions?
     
  6. BryanZ

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    How about the Paradigm PW-2200 or one of the Velodyne CHT models? Perhaps something from B&W may work. You may want to consider the DIY method as well.
     
  7. Geoff L

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    Jorge,
    The members of HTF might be better able to help, if you could tell us
    ~What products you do find available to you~
    Regards
    Geoff
     
  8. Brian Corr

    Brian Corr Supporting Actor

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    Here is Nousaine's list. Just pick one from near the top and you should be ok.
    the first figure(for each subwoofer) is for a corner loaded subwoofer, 2
    meter SPL mic distance,10%
    distortion limit,and the SPLs have been averaged from the maximum output at
    1/3octave spacing at 25/31/40/50/63hz. Any additional numbers represent the
    lower extension of the subwoofer...and it's capabilities toward the bottom
    end.
    ( * ) denotes a manual data adjustment applied by myself to compensate the
    subwoofer from Nousaine's *small* room(2200) to his newer *large*
    room(7500).
    SVS Dual 20-39cs/600w package 115.5 /20hz~97dB / 25hz ~111.8dB / 31hz
    ~120.9dB(124dB
    peaks)
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    STRYKE HE15 proto-type 115.3 / 16hz~99 25hz~106
    VELODYNE F1800 - 111.9
    SV 20-39cs(W/300 watts)109.5 / 20hz~91 / 25hz~105.8
    VELODYNE FSR15 - 109.1 / 16hz~90.1 / 25hz~103.1
    VELODYNE HGS15 - 107.7 / 16hz~89.1
    Paradigm PW2200 - 107.4 / 20hz~84 / 25hz ~104dB (112.8dB peak)
    Paradigm Servo15 - 107.3 / 27hz
    VELODYNE SPL12 - 107.1 / 20hz ~90 /25hz ~ 99
    HSU RESEARCH TN25(w/250w) - 107.1 / 30hz
    HSU RESEARCH VTF-2 - 107.1 / 20hz~93/25hz~99dB
    Cerwin Vega cvt300s - 107 / 16hz~80db / 20hz~92(112.4dB peak)
    KLIPSCH KSW300 - 106.0 / 25hz~92 *
    Cerwin Vega LW12 - 106.0 / 20hz~89
    POLK 650 -105.9 / 25hz~90
    Infinity 1.2s - 105.5 / 20hz ~90 / 25hz~95
    BW asw1000 - 105.4 / 25hz~92.4 *
    MK mx125 mkII - 105.3 / 20hz 89 / 25hz 95
    VELODYNE ct150 - 105.3 / 20hz~82(111.4dB peak)
    JBL D112 - 105.2 / 25hz~95
    Boston Acoustics PV800 - 104.4 / 20hz~85
    DT PF15TF+ 104/20hz ~88
    MISSION 700ASi - 104 / 20hz~82
    Infinity MSW1- 104 /20hz~79
    Phase Technology PC500(towers) - 103.6
    Infinity interlude100 - 103.5 / 25hz ~ 94
    BW asw2000 - 103 / 29hz *
    PSB Subsonic6 - 102.7 / 25hz~94
    Sound Dynamics rts1200 - 102.1 / 25hz~92(110.9dB peak)
    Infinity IL100s - 102dB / 25hz ~94dB
    VELODYNE ct120 - 101 / 20hz~87
    MK - mx105 -100.6 / 25hz~86
    ATLANTIC TECH 272 PBM - 100.5 / 20hz~85
    INFINITY hps250 - 100.2 / 25hz~82(112.8dB peak)
    KLIPSCH LF10 - 100.1 / 25hz~90
    KLIPSCH KSW12 - 100 / 25hz~90 /20hz~ 70
    PSB subsonic 3i - 100 / 28hz *
    MISSION ms70asa - 100/32hz~92
    SUNFIRE Jr. - 100 / 25hz~95
    VELODYNE VLF810 - 100 / 25hz~91
    Canbridge - 100 / 20hz ~82
    POLK PSW350 - 99.8 / 25hz~82
    VELODYNE FSR12 - 99.7 / 20hz
    JAMO E 8sub - 99 / 25hz~ 86
    VELODYNE VA1012 - 99 / 29hz
    JBL PB10 - 99 / 25hz 82
    POLK RMDS-1 - 98.6 / 25hz- 77
    VELODYNE FSR10 - 98.4 / 20hz
    BW asw2500 - 98 / 25hz~86 /20hz~79
    ENERGY ES12xl - 98 / 28hz *
    Paradigm PDR10 - 98 / 25hz
    PHASE tech power8 - 98 / 25hz~84
    Polk psw250 - 97.3 / 32hz~91
    ATHENA S3 - 97.0 / 25hz~87
    Energy S8.2 - 97 / 25hz ~82
    VELODYNE CT80 - 97.0 / 25hz~81
    MIRAGE frx s10 - 97 / 25hz~84
    JAMO sw505 - 97
    Klispch KSW10 - 96.9 / 25hz~85
    TANNOY PS110 - 96.8 / 20hz~71 / 25hz~84
    CANTON AS25 - 96.8 / 25hz~80
    MK V-1250thx - 96 / 25hz~86
    Atlantic technology 4.5 - 96 / 25hz~82
    ATHENA S2 - 96 / 25hz~87
    ACI titan - 96dB / 25hz~80
    PSB alphasubzero - 95.2 / 32hz~88
    Aura Lss-107A - 95.2 / 25hz~73
    Celestion cswII - 95 / 25hz~78
    Paradigm 90P(towers) - 95 / 20hz
    GALLO MPS-150 - 95.0 / 25hz~86
    ENERGY ENCORE - 94.4 / 25hz~78
    ENERGY XL8 - 94 / 25hz~78
    POLK PS-120 - 94 / 32hz -no SPL given
    Wharfedale Modus - 93.1dB
    DEF TECH BP2002TL Tower - 92.3 / 25hz ~80(single tower)
    Paradigm PD8 91.4 / 25hz~73dB
    MK k9 - 90.1 / 25hz~77
    Cerwin Vega hts15 - 89 (107 from 40-100hz) / 39hz
    DEF TECH Pro Tower400 - 89 / 25hz~81d (single tower)
    DEF TECH BP 2006TL Tower - 88.4 / 25hz ~73(single tower)
    ATHENA P1 88.5/ 32hz~85.5
    -----------the following use a 25-50hz range----------
    Boston Acoustics VR2000 -109dB
    Hsu Research 12V (150w) -106.5dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    Cerwin Vega HT-PWR12 -105.9dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    BW asw800 -105.1dB / 26hz - no SPL given
    Klipsch SW12 series2 -104.6dB ~(32-50hz) / 32hz - no SPL given
    ADS ms3 -104dB
    Phase Technology 1.0 Octave -103.3dB / 25hz -no SPL given
    Velodyne VA-1215x -102.6dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    BAGEND 18" -102.5dB *
    MK MX-125 101.8 - dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    TRIAD Silver - 100.2dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    PBS Subsonic III - 100.1dB / 25hz - no SPL given
    SUNFIRE
     
  9. Dustin B

    Dustin B Producer

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    I highly recommend the DIY route as well (provided you have access to the necessary tools, other wise I wouldn't bother reading any further). Check out the DIY section of this forum for more information.
    Check out Adire Audio. Get yourself a Tempest shipped to you (shipping on it shouldn't be to bad). Possibly an AVA250 as well, unless you can find an appropriate amp in Portugal cheaper. Then as long as you have access to MDF where you live (and sonotube if you want to make it sonosub style) you're on you're way.
    Total cost for my Tempest was about $500 USD (that included all taxes and shipping and building materials). I don't see shipping to Portugal adding more than $100 USD and for sure less than $200 USD which will keep you in your price range.
    End result will be a sub that will cost the same or less than a PW2200 or Velodyne CHT, sound the same or better, and have a lot more output capability.
    The people in the DIY could also recommend other drivers that will perform well and might be of easier access to you.
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    Dustin
    [email protected]
    My Adire Tempest Sonosub
     
  10. Jorge O'Neill

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    Thanks every one for the suggestions. Unfortunately, the DIY alternative is not for me as I don't have the technical skill.International shipping taxes make both the SVS and HSU too expensive for me. The Paradigm PSW2200 is also too expensive in Portugal.
    I've now done some research based on user comments and have come up with these candidates:
    Velodyne CHT-12 (replacement of the old CT-120)
    Paradigm PS-1000
    Paradigm PS-1200
    Paradigm PDR-12
    B&W ASW-1000
    Klipsch KSW-300
    Is any of these subs a good choice? Which one would you recomend? Any other suggestions?
    Many thanks
     
  11. Tom Vodhanel

    Tom Vodhanel Cinematographer

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    the asw1000 and ct120 would both be good units. The KSW300 will play much louder/cleaner >30hz...but it might not extend quite as low as the other two.
    How large is your room?
    TV
     
  12. Thomas_Berg

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    do you want a powered sub? if so, look for SVS. if not, look for dual SVS. [​IMG]
    the Hsu is also a fine sub (i was considering it myself), but the customer service coupled with the great performance of SV Subwoofers make them an unbeatable deal!
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    -Thomas
    My HT
     
  13. John Tillman

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    If they still sell it, nothing wrong with the PS-1000. I've used one in a 14x18 room with good results for over a year now.
    It picks up the low end for L/R front Snell model J's, a NHT center w/super zero rears. Doesn't shake the couch but does a pleasing job for music and movies.
     

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