What's the OAR for Looney Toons Cartoons?

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  1. Chuck C

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    While laughing my butt off watching bugs and daffy, one can notice that certain things are cropped off. We all know looney tunes were originally shown in theaters, so I'm wondering what type of film they used.
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    Original Academy Ratio - 1.37:1
    The Academy ratio changed to 1.33:1 so all films and shorts in this ratio were cropped.
    PBS ran a documentary on Chuck Jones and showed clips from his cartoons in the original 1.37:1. It was windowboxed at this ratio but you could understand a lot of the jokes better at 1.37:1.
    Especially in the cartoon where the animator screws with Daffy(I can't remember the title). There is supposed to be a flag with a picture of a screw and next to the screw is a picture of a baseball. Thus the gag is: screwball. In the cropped version, you barely see the baseball, the OAR version shows the entire gag.
    The Mel Gibson produced Three Stooges TV movie for ABC also windowboxed the recreated scenes from the shorts at 1.37:1 original Academy ratio.
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    muy interesante
    muchas gracias.
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    Actually, it's FALSE that ALL LT's were made for 1.37:1
    ALL Warner Bros. cartoons made from 1930 through 1954 were filmed to be shown at the 1.37:1 aspect ratio.
    Starting with the 1955 season, they started to make the cartoons so that they could be shown at 1.85:1 AND 1.37:1.
    If you could find a really well-framed cartoon from the post-1955 years, mask your TV to simulate a 1.85:1 matting and viola!
    One way to tell is the opening credits...notice how in 1955 they moved the copyright line nearer to the middle?
    Don't get worked up over open matte versions on tape: All of the 1.85:1 cartoons were composed to look great at both ratios and the cut-off is due to poor framing due to older TV masters.
    No pan & scanning is done...no boom mikes to hide.
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    Of course, 90% of the truly great LT/MM were made before 1955, and should certainly not be cropped, ever!
     
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    What about Tom and Jerry?
    Weren't some of their cartoons released in 2.35:1? Cartoon Network letterboxes the opening credits to some of the cartoons then goes to 1.33:1 for the cartoon itself.
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    Regarding Tom & Jerry, there were approx 22 2.35 cartoons made between 1955 and 1958. I have these on the second laserdisc box set.
     
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    Some Luney Toon and Disney animated shorts designed to be shown before a scope picture were shot with CinemaScope or Panavision equipment at 2.35:1.
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