Whats the deal with "SUVs"

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  1. kevin_tomb

    kevin_tomb Stunt Coordinator

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    I dont hate suvs by any means, but have a dislike of any vehicle that has an overinflated price tag.....Take some of the Jeep grand cherokees, chevy tahoe, ford explorer and so on....Can someone justify what makes them worth 30-40 thousand dollars....I mean this seriously, while they are nice enough vehicles there just isnt anything there to justify the price.
    What I mean to say is....basically you have a small to mid-size station wagon body that in itself costs no more to produce than any compact station wagon...second you have a truck chassis with 4WD which costs no more to manufacture than any compact 4WD pickup......
    Where im going with this is.....where is the justification for a "SUV" costing $38000 dollars and a similar plain pick up with 4wd and a normal amount of accessories can cost 10-12 thousand dollars less???? The rear body work alone and rear seat cant cost more than a few thousand at best.....
    Or am I right and they are basically just "OVERPRICED" and huge profit makers????? Now I know im oversimplifying this to be sure but the basic premise holds....Most SUVs have a very bad value...all this will make sense if someone replies and tells me "yeah all suvs have like a $8000 dollar profit or something in that ballpark.. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    yeah all suvs have like a $8000 dollar profit or something in that ballpark

    seriously.

    /Mike
     
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    Whatever the market will bear, man.

    Honestly, in L.A. they are status symbols. I haven't seen a single one that looks like it's even been off of the 405/10/5 freeways, maybe a surface street here or there. Usually they have single drivers, in suits.

    So if they can price the vehicle and sell at $38000, why should they even think about selling it for less?
     
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    Speaking about car prices, have you seen these new ads (well, new to me at least) where they advertise not the full price, not the monthly price, but the WEEKLY price to make it seem less?
    "For only $59 a week, you can have a new Honda!" Why not do it per day or hour instead, that would bring down the advertised price even more? [​IMG] "For only 35 cents an hour, you can have a new Honda!"
    And now they're not even showing the full price of the cars in their ads. I've seen ads that say things like "$19,999 for a 2002 4-Runner!" and then in fine print at the bottom of the page "Price advertised is after 20% downpayment"! Yeah, everything should be advertised like that. "Half price!" (if you've already paid the other half).
    /Mike
     
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    SUVs are in high demand now, and manufacturers are trying to make money. People pay it, that is what makes them worth the price

    Not all SUVs are priced higher than their sedan counterparts, though. The BMW X5 and the 540i (it's sedan equivalent) actually cost the same. You get more room and AWD for the same price in the X5.
     
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    In America, it's all about image. At the most basic level, all an automobile does is get you from point A to point B. A stripper Honda Civic will do that just the same as a Ford Excursion 4x4 w/ a Power Stroke diesel. But the image is totally different.

    Carmakers love it, because they can add thousands of dollars of profit into the deal. A big reason the SUV's have so much profit built in is something called CAFE - Corporate Average Fuel Economy. CAFE says that ALL of the vehicles a manufacturer sells must have an average efficiency rating of XX MPG. I don't know what the current number is, but it's around 25-27 MPG. What this means is that for every 17 MPG Excursion Ford sells, it must then sell 2 25 MPG Tauruses, or 1 30 MPG Escort. But nobody wants to buy the tiny little cars. So the companies must practically give them away. To make up for the losses, the SUV's must make the profit equivalent of 2 or 3 passenger cars.

    p.s. As I stated in another thread, the SUV-or-not-to-SUV debate can get rather heated, and if we aren't careful, it will become taboo like religion and politics. I know I have some strong opinions on the subject, but my opinions are based on issues far beyond the simple SUV/truck vs. car argument.
     
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    All i have to say is ... Porche is now making an SUV ?!?!?
    If Porsche is getting into it, considering they don't even make a regular sedan, there must be some serious profits involved.
    http://www.roadandtrack.com/RoadAndT...e_cayenne.html
    Not a very original design, I must add [​IMG]
     
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    ok im beginning to understand.....I guess the most basic reason they cost a lot is just pure greed on the automakers part[​IMG] ......For the SUV owners out there, I dont think anyone is so much against SUVs and you guys in particular, but its that we are forseeing problems in the future with SUVs.
    1. They are sorta just a "fad" and I dont mean that in a bad way at all....but sooner or later they will be as popular as the woodgrain station wagon and the dodge minivan in every driveway...its bound to happen.
    2. With the horrible gas mileage most SUVs get arent you basically banking on the hope gas will stay artificially low as it has been in the last several years??
    3 Its not a matter of an SUV owner being able to afford the gas they consume, its a more overriding concern about our dwindiling world fuel sources. Just remember where a "Very large" amount of our petrolem is sourced from (middle east)
    4. Im not an environmentalist at all but its true they do pollute much more than an average car....but they mask it by rating SUVS differently....a SUV that gets 12 MPG burns double the gas than a vehicle that gets 24 mpg but they dont tell you that.....
    5. Americans are very image conscious....to a fault...we dont view vehicles as transportation generally but view them as a status symbol...a means to show off.
    YES IVE OWNED SUVs before anyone goes off on me about it and I own one now....BUT, Ive used mine for true reasons such as deep snow driving..off roading ...towing....work that needed 4WD, so trust me I understand the benefits of a 4WD, but I also am willing to acknowledge all the problems with them.
     
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    The manufacturers tend to have a much larger profit margins on SUVs than on cars. As pointed out above SUVs are classified as light trucks for fuel economy and safety. They are cheap to make (most still start with a truck frame and slap a body on it) and can command large $$ because of their popularity.
    Porsche is one of the few car companies left that has not been adsorbed by a larger corporation. They see their "SUV" (its really more of a "cross-over" vehicle) as an opportunity to make some extra cash and keep the company indpendant for a while longer.
    IF a civic is a mono 20" TV, I don't see the SUV as a HDTV with surround sound, more of a very large NTSC rear projector with scan lines as thick as your arm and a fuzzy picture [​IMG] But thats just me, I wouldn't want a Civic OR a SUV [​IMG] Of course YMMV! [​IMG]
     
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    Ajay sez

     
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    Nobody's wrong here... Happy SUV owners have every reason to delight in their purchases, and are naturally disinclined to take the negative comments seriously. Same thing happened with the mini-van market explosion. I can't swear I wouldn't buy one if given the opportunity.

    At the same time, there are very real reasons to be concerned that American highways are being overrun with poor-mileage tanks which reduce visibility and increase the death-rate for those of us who can't (or don't want to) jump on the $40k bandwagon... And that's before addressing environmental concerns... I'm also very wary of the big automakers designing cars-as-trucks with the idea of bypassing regulations...
     
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    Drive what you want and can afford. The govt. should stay out of this. Nothing wrong with auto manufacturers making a profit.
     
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    Joeseph, I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with in my statement but this is taken from the Sierra Club website:

    "Because the government classifies SUVs as "light trucks" rather than cars, SUVs have a license to guzzle more gas and pollute more than cars. In 1975, when fuel-economy standards were first adopted, "light truck" referred to a vehicle used to haul hay on the farm or gravel at a construction site. At that time, light trucks comprised only 20 percent of the vehicle market. Today, SUVs, mini-vans and other light trucks make up nearly half of new vehicles sold. They are far more likely to haul lattés home from Starbucks than lumber from the yard. Even though Detroit has technology that could make them both cleaner and safer, SUVs and other light trucks are still held to low environmental standards, roll over more than cars and pose greater danger to other vehicles than cars do."
     
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    I have nothing against SUV's. If someone has the money to spend on one, and that's what they want it's fine with me.
    Personally, though, when we shopped for a new vehicle a few years ago we started by looking at mid-sized SUV's (Explorer, Blazer). We wanted something with a larger cargo area than the trunk of a car. My wife did not really want a mini-van, but after looking at the price differences and options, the mini-van was a better solution at a substantially lesser cost for us. We had no need to take the vehicle off-road, nor would we be towing anything. Front wheel drive works just fine vs. four-wheel drive in the snow in our area with all the traffic. My wife got over the image problem of driving a mini-van, and we actually bought another one to replace her first one last year.
    Buy what fits your needs and desires at the price you are willing to pay.
    BTW, I do hate driving behind the full-size SUV's in my car, though. You cannot see what's happening with traffic ahead of that vehicle. So, SUV owners, don't get upset when I try to pass you so I can see where I'm going. [​IMG]
     

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