What's the deal with Herb Alpert's CD's- or lack thereof?

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  1. Gary->dee

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    Are most if not all of his album out of print? Seems so. After visting numerous music stores the only thing I can find are mostly compilation CDs. Specifically what I'm looking for is his 1979 album Rise, which I have on vinyl from when it was first released. I found it on Amazon for $24 but was just wondering if Herb's albums are being remastered or something.
     
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    Can't be of much help, the only Alpert I own on CD is a compilation. I do have a couple of my parents' LPs around here somewhere, but I assume those were compilations as well.
     
  3. Gary->dee

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    I'll order Rise from Amazon if I have to but I'm just trying to figure out all his albums are being remastered or not, in which case I'll hold out. This issue might also have to do with the fact that Alpert's label, A&M(which he co-founded) is no more.
     
  4. Paul.S

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    Gary:

    I haven't heard anything about Herb remasters, but that doesn't mean they aren't happening. I inadvertently learn of remasters all the time from a variety of sources. You may want to try searching, or even e-mailing someone, at ICE Magazine.

    A little context: A & M Records is actually still around, but it has been subsumed into Universal Music Group as part of their Interscope Geffen A & M amalgam label.

    My sad understanding--read elsewhere online and confirmed through months of online and b&m browsing/shopping--is that as UMG has rapaciously acquired other labels, they have of course cut artist rosters, dissolved labels (including MCA Records last year; all those artists were either cut or moved to Geffen) and slashed back catalogs.

    Artists that are not "hot" anymore have seen much if not all of their back catalog discontinued with the exception of one evergreen title, usually a greatest hits package. This is part of the reason for UMG's generally pitiful "Millenium Collection" line of skimpy greatest hits packages.

    I think Herb's catalog has been OOP for an unusually long time and that is why the Amazon Marketplace prices for titles such as Rise and what looks to be a terrif older compilation, Classics, Vol. 1, are so relatively high (in excess of $20 when I routinely buy deep catalog titles via Amazon Marketplace for under $8 each).

    -p
     
  5. Gary->dee

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    Ah I see. Well that goes a long way in explaining what is likely the current state of Alpert's catalog of albums on CD. Thanks, Paul.

    Who the hell would want to buy an old Herb Alpert album on CD anyway? No one. Not one single person. Geez..., I might as well order Rise from Amazon then since I'm fiending for it! Perhaps pick up a compilation as well(I love Route 101). [​IMG]
     
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    Ironically, I have Rise and must say that it is a ripe candidate for a remaster; sounds 'thin.' (I dig "Street Life," BTW.)

    The Herb Alpert catalog situation is an excellent example of the intersection of label shortsightedness, corporate Olympics, the rise of e-tail and the robustness of the pre-owned CD market during this arguable twilight of the format. Can't find a title new 'cuz the label dropped it? Enter Amazon Marketplace, Goddess bless 'em: providing everyone from closet-cleaning packrats to B&Ms the opportunity to partner with Amazon to sell their wares online.

    FWIW, in addition to operating their own Websites, Spun.com, SecondSpin.com and Wherehouse(.com; operated by Spun), all sell via Marketplace and I have had consistently good results promptly getting used CDs (and DVDs) in perfectly playable "Like New" condition from all three.

    -p
     
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    Paul S, your comments about what happens when small productive labels are swallowed by conglomerates is sad, but probably true.

    I've long noticed A&M is hard to find, look what happened to Rhino some years ago, I've been waiting years for some oldie cd's that are apparently locked up somewhere in WSM (Warner Strategic Marketing).

    Too many lawyers, suits and other non-musical people involved, and they are all fighting each other for their corporate asses these days - too busy to be interested in a small but tangible profit on minor or out-of-style artists.

    The only artists they are interested in are "mega-stars" like Celine or Britney [​IMG]
     
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    Amen.

    -p
     
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    Synchronicity strikes again!

    Yesterday, was just looking through a pile of LP's my sister was preparing for yard sale, there is a copy of "Rise".

    Never heard of it before this thread, but may have to give it a spin.
     
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    Here's a "good news" bump on this topic...

    In February '05, Shout! will begin re-issuing the entire Herb Alpert/Tijuana Brass catalog. They will release 2-3 titles every two months over the course of the year. The final batch includes the Christmas album, coming next fall. There is also talk of a "remix project" and one of the first titles is a rarities disc. All will be reproductions of the originals, with the exception of "Whipped Cream" which is an expanded edition. Saw this in the current issue of ICE Magazine.
     
  11. Danny Tse

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    See this thread at stevehoffman.tv site on the Herb Alpert reissues.

    At my local Best Buy, there's a recently remastered Herb Alpert compilation. I wonder if it sounds good.
     
  12. Gary->dee

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    Danny, not sure if we're referring to the same one but I bought this one

    [​IMG]

    and it's fantastic(Route 101 and Casino Royale are my favorites- but they're all good tunes). Can't go wrong if you're a big Herb Alpert fan. Btw I ended up buying that used copy of the Rise CD from Amazon, came close to $30 if I recall correctly.

    Bad news is that here was a scratch or two on it and I had trouble playing one track all the way through.

    Good news is that when I transferred it to my computer there were no problems at all and the album played through with no issues. That gave me an excuse to burn Rise and most of the Definitive Hits tracks onto one CD so I ended up making an awesome Herb Alpert CD. [​IMG]
     
  13. Danny Tse

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    That's the one, Gary. Thanks for the recommendation.

    I have been meaning to start on getting some Herb Alpert and the compilation looks to be a winner.

    I believe Herb owns his complete catalog as part of the deal he had when he sold A&M Records to Universal.
     

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