What does "real" base sound like?

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  1. EdNichols

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    I have read many threads on "boomy" subs and how a good sub isn't boomy. I have a cheap sub (which I will be upgrading) that I think sounds boomy on some music but I am not sure. I am pretty sure that real boomy sound is what you hear when a car stereo a block away has the 1000 watt radio turned up full blast. I read one thread where a couple people said that you can't hear "good" base you "feel" it. I know in movies with low LFE at loud levels this may be the case, but what about music? Are you supposed to feel base and not hear it in music also? Any opinions?
     
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    Well it will be really tough to hear a base :p) Sorry couldn't resist (don't worry Brian should be hear shortly to remind me how I used to spell baffle).

    Good bass sounds like the real thing. A bass drum sounds like a real bass drum not just a boom. As for feel vs hear, this doesn't come into play until you get down to the bottom of the first octave and very little music makes use of this area. So I very much disagree with the statment that you feel not hear good bass.

    The thing is most people have never turned their speakers off to hear only the sub. They'd be surprised how much of the sound they thought was their sub wasn't.
     
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    All your base........

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    Yeah, Yeah, I know, I know. First base, home base, not speaker base. It was early in the morning and I just got back from fishing......... by the way I caught a 10 lb. bass!!!!!
     
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    Quote;

    The thing is most people have never turned their speakers off to hear only the sub. They'd be surprised how much of the sound they thought was their sub wasn't.

    Dustin,

    I don't think my receiver has this capability other than lowering the main speaker levels a far as they will go with the test tones. By the way, by this statement, do you think the "boominess" may be coming from the main speakers and not the sub?
     
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    I don't like bass. They're ugly and smell fishy! [​IMG]
     
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    If your reciever cant do this, simply unplug your speaker wires.


    As for the hearing vs. feeling....some bass you will hear, some you will feel. If you have a good sub with a decent amount of power, you will feel alot of it. Some really, really low bass though isnt really audible (like below 20hz)The sub is just pressurizing the air, and you end up feeling it more than hearing it.
     
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    Dustin,
    You were right. Brian did show up!!! He must be the official spell checker.

    By the way, the fish has a 9 lb magnet and a long throw pole. I bet it'll put out some loud rumbling base!!
     
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    If you want to experience real bass, you need to go to some concerts, preferably with several types of music. If you are talking movie bass, try going to a theater that is THX rated. That way you know that there is some sort of standard in place.
     
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    You wanna hear real base or bass. Take a visit to your Lexus car dealer. The Mark Levinson sound systems have subwoofers designed by Revel that handle bass only lower than 60 Hz. It should be good enough to hear real bass. [​IMG]
     
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    I like bass but I don't care for bass. Sometimes I'll listen to bass when I catch bass. I just have to make sure the bass doesn't scare bass because I need bass to survive.

    Anyways, I love THX bass. It almost always sounds clean at the proper levels and isn't ear fatiguing like some subs that have distortion added.

    The cheap car subs play bass that hurts your ears when it's not even playing loud. Good subs can play bass notes very accurately and clean so it lacks the ear fatiguing distortion.

    Boomy subs hit each note, but then the driver continues to resonate and take time to refresh. A boomy sub can have a dominant resonance frequency that makes it sound like a one tone subwoofer rather than a transparent one.

    IMO, a good sub is neither boomy, nor too tight and accurate. It is one that can't be classified because it merely becomes whatever the music calls for.
     
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    EdNichols, once you have been exposed to REAL BASS! You will never forget it and you will know it when you hear it. All of the terms you have heard that describes subs and bass will make sense. Such as tight,accurate,clean,flat,boomy, etc.

    Then a feeling comes over you and you say......... I need one sub (maybe two) to rule them all!!

    With in your budget of course.
     
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    Terry(or anybody), in regards to listening to bass heavy music (pipe organs etc.)what would be a good music disk to get to try that out. I prefer one that has some other good music also so I don't waste money. I hope this question is OK to ask here, I know this is not the music section.
     
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    ever feel a large truck coming befor you hear it? i'd think thats a good example of bass(however its really spelt). you sure its not possible at all for a human to hear beyond the hearing rang of normal people? i can tell where a sub is placed regardless of how good it is and room ... i tend to ehar lower notes that my friends dont in music .... but i have a sensitive ear ... is it possible or is my brain just making me think i heard it?
     
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