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West Side Story (2020)

Discussion in 'Movies' started by Jake Lipson, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. Adam Lenhardt

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    My suspicion that they were going with Maddie Ziegler for Anybodys was incorrect. Instead they went with Ezra Menas, a nonbinary actor who transitioned from female. It's an interesting choice, since the character defied gender norms at a time when gender roles were far more rigorously enforced than they are now.

    I like the subdued colors of the costumes. Anything the movie can do to differentiate itself from the 1961 film, the better off it will be.
     
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    I'm on board.

    Also, since we know the film is being released in 2020, perhaps the thread title should be updated to reflect the release date.
     
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    I'm actually excited for this remake. I heard they're filming it in Harlem.

    https://nypost.com/2019/06/17/west-side-story-set-photo-reveals-first-look-at-sharks-and-jets/
     
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    Done.
     
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    "Musical theater legend and WEST SIDE STORY lyricist Stephen Sondheim on set with director-producer Steven Spielberg during the production of the new film version of the original musical."
    WestSideStory_2020_002.
     
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    Sid Ramin died July 1, aged 100. He shared an Oscar for the scoring of the 1961 film West Side Story. He also helped orchestrate the B'way show. He knew Bernstein since childhood and were lifelong friends.
     
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    Looks like they're filming it in sepia this time.

    I guess they could just go ahead and film it in b&w.

    I wonder if this means Sondheim is rewriting some of the lyrics? I recall him saying in an interview once, particularly about the song "I Feel Pretty", that while he is pleased that audiences liked the lyrics, he doesn't now feel that they are really in the personality of the way the character would actually talk.
     
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    My truest concerns are about the casting of Doc.:D
     
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    He has trouble with an uneducated Puerto Rican girl who just arrived in the US using words like charming and entrancing.
     
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    About time we saw a fire-escape!

    Based on Kushner's comments, they're definitely using the revised lyrics for "America". Whether they're the 1961 lyrics for the original film or Lin-Manuel Miranda's bilingual lyrics from the Arthur Laurent's revival in 2008-2009, is unclear. If I were a betting man, though, I'd say the 1961 lyrics.
     
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    If they use the lyrics from the 1961 film for "America," then the male Sharks are going to be in the number; not something that happens in the original libretto.

    When I did West Side Story on the stage, I was a Shark, and I BEGGED our choreographer to integrate the male Sharks into that number (as they did in the film) since the Jets get two additional numbers in addition to "The Jet Song" ("Cool" and "Krupke") that the Sharks don't. He wouldn't even consider it. I always felt the Sharks on stage were underused. It may be there was a Robbins choreographer's bible that he was required to follow in order for the license to be granted to the theater. Ironically, the dance break that he used during the audition for guys and gals was the choreography for "America" that the women ended up performing in the final show.
     
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    Aside from the fact that it wouldn't be a good look in 2019 to have a song that unquestioningly praises America while shitting on Puerto Rico, I always thought the film version works better because Bernardo is a more essential character than Rosalia and the film version uses the number to help define the relationship between Bernardo and Anita.
     
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    For me, the film works better in numerous ways. In addition to "America" being better, the juxtaposition of "Krupke" and "Cool" for me makes dramatically a lot more sense. Sondheim does not agree.
     
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    This is a prejudiced and stupid statement from a man who is unusually brilliant. I am Puerto Rican and many of the so-called "uneducated" Puerto Rican men and women can extemporize verses in the most complex metric stanzas that exist in the Spanish language. One should be so lucky as to witness the "duels" between these impromptu poets with no formal education!
    Long before 1957, public schooling in Puerto Rico was mandatory and all children had to attend school and had to take English courses as well. Maria and Bernardo, etc., would not have been semi-illiterate as implied by Sondheim. I really take umbrage to such an opinion.
    I worship the artist, but then Wagner was not perfect either.
     
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    By the way the picture of the girl above is Ariana DeBose’s as Anita.

    If anyone was wondering.
     
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    When you license a show, the license specifies that the show must be performed as written. West Side Story onstage is not written with the Sharks in "America." In order to use the film version, a director would have to make that request to the agency that handles the license, and then the authors would decide whether or not to allow a change to be made. It's not something that a director or choreographer can just decide to do in a vacuum, even if the movie version made the same change.
     
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    You're right, of course, but many theaters take the chance and make changes without permission. Sometimes they get caught and fined or licenses withdrawn. Sadly (but rightly from their perspective), our personnel played by the rules.
     
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    I used to help with the productions at the highschool where I taught. The guy who directed the productions took on a free form approach. We were doing “Annie Get Your Gun”. At one point he had the two leads get introduced and break into “Applause, Applause” (from the Lauren Bacall musical)!
     
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    In 1989, a persistent man named Craig Smith got a lot of talented people together in Hollywood to "put on a show" to help raise money for the Aids Healthcare Foundation in Los Angeles. What he wanted to do was a parody of sorts of West Side Story to be called "West Hollywood Story." It would follow two gangs, one straight and one gay and the general plot of the original, updated to the present day in the City of West Hollywood.

    Was he successful? This is a footnote in a book published in the fall of 2016 titled: "A Place for Us: 'West Side Story' and New York" by Julia L. Foulkes.

    Chapter 7, Footnote #32: One of the only parodies that the original creators approved was in a benefit for AIDS in Los Angeles, titled "West Hollywood Story." The licensing company insisted that the Aids Hospice Foundation "program must include a line in prominent position that the authors of West Side Story have made an unusual exception to their general policy of not allowing alternate 'versions' due to their sympathy and support for the Hospice program and AIDS relief"; see Music Theatre International to Craig Smith, C.S., 9 June 1989. b.79 f.26, JRP/NYPL.

    I attended this production, which had three performances in West Hollywood's Plummer Park and I have to say it was one of the best theatre experiences I've attended. Part of it is that who knew it was going to be so professional. All the people involved were top drawer and the book and lyrics were brilliant. The production spared no expense--and there was no expense for it because they were all focused on raising money, so everything was donated to the cause.

    The group formed the Charity Parody Foundation and over the next three years did three more productions: Fiddler on a West Hollywood Roof, West Hollywood Gypsy and Oliver Twisted, all in different locations. (The man who did most of the lyric re-interpretations, and brilliantly I might add, wanted, from the start, to do South Pacific, but the R&H organization would only grant permission if the royalties were paid, and, of course, they were trying to raise money so paying royalties wasn't an option. This is ultimately why the Foundation disbanded.)

    I wish there was a video recording of West Hollywood Story--of all these productions! To give you an idea what they might have been like, though, there's at least one segment of one of them. Brandon Maggart, as Tevye, in Fiddler on a West Hollywood Roof. In this version, Tevye is a water delivery man (like Sparklett's) in the Fairfax (Jewish) section of Los Angeles. After making a delivery to a flamboyant gay man, he wonders what it would be like if "he" were and sings "If I Were a Gay Man." Soon after, he finds out that each of his three children, two guys and one girl, are LGBT.

     
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